Update: Edge Magazine's Definitive 15 Greatest Games of the Past 20 Years.

More reason to never take EDGE seriously.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Agree with most of it but Halo 3 needs to be swapped out for COD4.

Obviously_Right

The fvck? They launched, like, 90 days apart :lol: :lol:

Halo 3 beta launched loooong before that, back in April. The COD4 beta came in August, and the menus were literally a carbon copy. You can't deny the influence Halo had on it. CoD2 was so different to Halo, then IW make CoD4 and it end up very similat to Halo 3 in its setup.

Regardless, CoD 4 was an awesome game but Halo 3 still squashes it in content and overall quality.

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] true FPS are PC FPS or those that primilary build with PC in mind Try StalkerSNIPER4321

they should remove halo and add golden eye insteadI_AM_MEGATRON

No. This is a 'best of' list, not a 'most influential' one. Goldeneye was bad enough when it came out, today its unplayable.

Multi was fun though.

Like half of the list are games that could easily not be in there while there are various grand omissions.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

The fvck? They launched, like, 90 days apart :lol: :lol:

Desmonic

Halo 3 beta launched loooong before that, back in April. The COD4 beta came in August, and the menus were literally a carbon copy. You can't deny the influence Halo had on it. CoD2 was so different to Halo, then IW make CoD4 and it end up very similat to Halo 3 in its setup.

Regardless, CoD 4 was an awesome game but Halo 3 still squashes it in content and overall quality.

Trying to deny it is some mighty fine reaching. Halo 3 was the BIG console shooter, so obviously IW looked to Bungie and their game. Then CoD took off, and it became the BIG console shooter, and then 343 looked to IW and their games.

I won't deny there are some CoD influences in Halo 4, so why are you denying there are Halo influences in CoD?

:cool:

Too much Mario and Zelda.

Mario 64 and Zelda Ocarina of Time is all it needs.. heck even link to the past and super mario world should replace SMG and Skyward Sword.

Usually Uncharted 2, MGS and a Final Fantasy game are always in top 15 charts on any site and magazine.

I think Edge been playing the Wii too much and not enough PC. They forgot a lot of killer PC games.

The ORANGE BOX and HALF LIFE 2?

HALF LIFE 2 is that GODLY, they had to AWARD it TWICE!

Like half of the list are games that could easily not be in there while there are various grand omissions.

glez13

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"] I play mostly fighting games and action games.SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="glez13"]

Like half of the list are games that could easily not be in there while there are various grand omissions.

Nintendo_Ownes7

What a horrendous list... Where's System Shock, Starcraft, Planescape Torment and many other games that defined the golden age of PC gaming!? Seriously, this list kinda stinks -- even if you just account console games. 

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="Kaz_Son"] I play mostly fighting games and action games.Kaz_Son

You've played Ryse? Please. Tell us some plot points and how the controls are set up.

It's an alright list.

My list is the best. :P

at least no COD on that list.

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]:lol: @ "True FPS"SNIPER4321

The Last Of Us is better than STALKER, and I enjoyed the shit out of the STALKER games.

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] i cant stand new generation action games. they mostly are QTE fest now look at Ryse. its cinematic game with press xStormyJoe

You've played Ryse? Please. Tell us some plot points and how the controls are set up.

What a garbage list. Completely console centric, and uterly ignorant of most ACTUAL games. Jeebus, Last of us is a glorified movie trailer. The gameplay was mediocre at best.

 

The only games that deserve to be in that list are Half-Life 2, Ocarina of time, and Halo 3. There should be at least 4 PC games up here as well

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] That's some mighty fine reaching there brah :P By that logic I can easily say that with Halo 4 they 343i made some big strides in the "CoD" direction. And even Reach with Bungie already showed some signs of it.

Desmonic

Trying to deny it is some mighty fine reaching. Halo 3 was the BIG console shooter, so obviously IW looked to Bungie and their game. Then CoD took off, and it became the BIG console shooter, and then 343 looked to IW and their games.

I won't deny there are some CoD influences in Halo 4, so why are you denying there are Halo influences in CoD?

:cool:

Even if IW took some hints from Halo at that time they went on their own course and didn't apply them in a way that's evident (gameplay wise), like what Halo 4 did. 

I don't mean gameplay, I mean the setup. Halo 3 nailed matchmaking, and CoD4 operated pretty much identically. Even small things like vetoing a map.

And Halo 4 is still Halo. The only influence on the gameplay would be the ordinance drops imo. I don't think loadouts make it play more like CoD, because all its doing is giving you the option when before the game chose a loadout for you.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]Ryse is garbage and it's not what I would call an action game. I play mostly Ninja Gaiden. Yea NG3 was a QTE fest but they kinda fixed it in Razor's Edge. The older NG games are my favorites though.

Kaz_Son

You've played Ryse? Please. Tell us some plot points and how the controls are set up.

I bet is scores an 8 or above on GS.

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

You've played Ryse? Please. Tell us some plot points and how the controls are set up.

StormyJoe

I bet is scores an 8 or above on GS.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

Like half of the list are games that could easily not be in there while there are various grand omissions.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Oh, I see.

So it's something like Gamespot's 7 Greatest games of the past 15 years:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Soul Calibur

Chrono Cross

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3

Grand Theft Auto 4

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Super Mario Galaxy 2

So is it most influential or best? The author doesn't really seem to know which he wants to talk about.

Good games but not the order I would put them in and it's missing a few key ones

So is it most influential or best? The author doesn't really seem to know which he wants to talk about.

Good games but not the order I would put them in and it's missing a few key ones

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

So is it most influential or best? The author doesn't really seem to know which he wants to talk about.

Good games but not the order I would put them in and it's missing a few key ones

Nintendo_Ownes7

I see. Pretty dumb then because TLoU hasn't stood the test of time some of the other games have

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

So is it most influential or best? The author doesn't really seem to know which he wants to talk about.

Good games but not the order I would put them in and it's missing a few key ones

seanmcloughlin

I see. Pretty dumb then because TLoU hasn't stood the test of time some of the other games have

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] Because Halo 3 and CoD4 don't play anything alike from what I've experienced :P And that's a big PLUS for Halo 3 right there. It still did it's thing, had it's own set of rules and none of the crap CoD4 started (which was a good game ruined by the sequels really).

Even if IW took some hints from Halo at that time they went on their own course and didn't apply them in a way that's evident (gameplay wise), like what Halo 4 did. 

Desmonic

I don't mean gameplay, I mean the setup. Halo 3 nailed matchmaking, and CoD4 operated pretty much identically. Even small things like vetoing a map.

And Halo 4 is still Halo. The only influence on the gameplay would be the ordinance drops imo. I don't think loadouts make it play more like CoD, because all its doing is giving you the option when before the game chose a loadout for you.

Oh you mean that. Sure maybe, but only by analizing the code could we figure if they went the same route or not :P There are always multiple good solutions for those sort of "problems". But yeah sure, you could say IW took some hints from Bungie there.

Well there are the loadouts...and Ordinance Drops (ala Killstreaks), Custom Loadouts, Join game matches whenever you want (I'd say this a plus actually), Points System, Sprint Function, Tactical Package (ala Perks System) and finally Killcams (which I'm also not sure it's a CoD original/exclusive feature but whatever)!

These aren't carbon copies by any means, but they are clearly the same ideas adapted and applied to the Halo series.

Well I don't think its coincidence that the CoD4 online set up is identical. Even the beta was pretty much the same with a 3 map selection.

Ordinance drops are not quite the same as killstreaks. Unlike killstreaks, they don't promote camping because dying doesn't reset it :P

I actually think the join in progress thing is a negative. Points system is just what they had in Halo 3, so thats not from CoD. There were two ranks, one for each playlist. And the other was basically a system that just rewarded you for playing (which is all CoD does now). Sprint?lol really? Does Halo 4 have a killcam? Ive never even noticed, and yeah not sure either if CoD started that or not.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

So is it most influential or best? The author doesn't really seem to know which he wants to talk about.

Good games but not the order I would put them in and it's missing a few key ones

seanmcloughlin

I see. Pretty dumb then because TLoU hasn't stood the test of time some of the other games have

How the hell does SMG2 redefine the platformer genre when it didn't improve much over it's predecessor?nintendoboy16

This isn't a game that redefines the genre: this is one that rolls it up and locks it away. May 2010

And then you whine because I call you an idiot...

Kind of a bad list.  There's a difference between "great game" and "influential game" and in the case of Zelda there are different games in the series besides OoT and SS to put on there.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]It is just the only 15 games Edge has ever given a 10/10 since this is Edge's 20th Anniversary in chronological order.

heeweesRus

I see. Pretty dumb then because TLoU hasn't stood the test of time some of the other games have

What a garbage list. Completely console centric, and uterly ignorant of most ACTUAL games. Jeebus, Last of us is a glorified movie trailer. The gameplay was mediocre at best.

 

The only games that deserve to be in that list are Half-Life 2, Ocarina of time, and Halo 3. There should be at least 4 PC games up here as well

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

What a garbage list. Completely console centric, and uterly ignorant of most ACTUAL games. Jeebus, Last of us is a glorified movie trailer. The gameplay was mediocre at best.

 

The only games that deserve to be in that list are Half-Life 2, Ocarina of time, and Halo 3. There should be at least 4 PC games up here as well

LordOfPoms

How the hell does the orange box count, lol.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]How the hell does SMG2 redefine the platformer genre when it didn't improve much over it's predecessor?LordQuorthon

This isn't a game that redefines the genre: this is one that rolls it up and locks it away. May 2010

And then you whine because I call you an idiot...

I'm just very critical of SMG2. I like the game, but it is far from perfect.

The one consistent you will always find in these lists is that people will bitch and whine like it actually matters. 

'm just very critical of SMG2. I like the game, but it is far from perfect.nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]'m just very critical of SMG2. I like the game, but it is far from perfect.princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]'m just very critical of SMG2. I like the game, but it is far from perfect.nintendoboy16

Doesn't make it a not great game.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] What's not perfect about it If there's one sequel that truly perfects upon its predecessor in every conceivable way it's SMG2turtlethetaffer

Doesn't make it a not great game.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]The entire game doesn't feel as fresh as the first, added with any improvements and additions that would fit in just fine with expansion and DLC packs. Hell, Miyamoto ADMITTED that the game was mainly ideas that couldn't fit in the last one.

nintendoboy16

Doesn't make it a not great game.

Oh yeah, true that. But you're also speaking to someone who thinks that there's only one game that deserves a 10.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]'m just very critical of SMG2. I like the game, but it is far from perfect.nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]It is just the only 15 games Edge has ever given a 10/10 since this is Edge's 20th Anniversary in chronological order.

heeweesRus

I see. Pretty dumb then because TLoU hasn't stood the test of time some of the other games have

Compare how long Half life 2 ahs eben out compared to TLoU. 

TLoU hasn't even been out 2 months

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Doesn't make it a not great game.

turtlethetaffer

Oh yeah, true that. But you're also speaking to someone who thinks that there's only one game that deserves a 10.