VALVE officially takes Xbox 360 gamers for chumps with this new CS:GO info.

Meh. I recall playing the PC beta for Crysis 2 with my 360 gamepad and still scoring in the top three consistently. Either the PC gamers I played against really sucked, were all using Gamepads just like me or their l33t skillz with the mouse and keyboard are tremendously overrated.

The_Game21x

I don't see how Move or DS3 is going to compete with M/KB.

In retrospec, it's also weird that there's memory for Steamworks but not cross game chat. I suppose it's a matter of tight Valve/Sony interaction in regards to specific IPs.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Meh. I recall playing the PC beta for Crysis 2 with my 360 gamepad and still scoring in the top three consistently. Either the PC gamers I played against really sucked, were all using Gamepads just like me or their l33t skillz with the mouse and keyboard are tremendously overrated.

delta3074

Indeed, they don't need to be hardcore to murder you splitseconds before they see you.

The top tier is using The Force to play, at least that's what it feels like.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Meh. I recall playing the PC beta for Crysis 2 with my 360 gamepad and still scoring in the top three consistently. Either the PC gamers I played against really sucked, were all using Gamepads just like me or their l33t skillz with the mouse and keyboard are tremendously overrated.

delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Meh. I recall playing the PC beta for Crysis 2 with my 360 gamepad and still scoring in the top three consistently. Either the PC gamers I played against really sucked, were all using Gamepads just like me or their l33t skillz with the mouse and keyboard are tremendously overrated.

The_Game21x

After a couple of games, any PC user will be turning at 3 times the speed of anyone with a controller, even with a non gaming mouse.

playing with PC cheaters is a good thing?Mystery_Writer

I don't think it's as bad as it sounds. Valve's main reason for not allowing cross platform play on 360 is likely because of MS's strict policy regarding dlc on xbox live which one of their reps claimed has held back the 360 versions of their games many times before. And if there's going to be no xrossplatform play against pc, why include mouse and keyboard options?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

lostfan132

at lest we'll be able to find a match, x box 360 version of this will be dead within a couple of months. at least ps3 will get instant updates through steam and free dlc most likely like the stuff thats coming for portal 2. face it microsoft being stingy is the only reason this is happening.

Generic drivers? Oh ahahahahaha. That's hilarious. You seriously think that the ps3 can't support a gaming mouse? I'd imagine if it isn't possible now, a firmware update could fix the problem. Not only that, but I've read numerous times on this forum, when I bring up the "cost" of pc gaming--naming the price of a good mouse, that a gaming mouse is not even necessary and that many use a 50 dollar logitech. Heck, I have a logitech from well over 4 years ago and it works just fine.

Massive LOL at 24 button mouse. Perhaps 360 will blow all the versions away with homemade imaginary 438 button mouse.

I was planning to buy it on PS3 anyway...and I'm going to be using the standard PS3 controller that I enjoy. Don't see what relevance your type of control has to do with the game.

I was planning to buy it on PS3 anyway...and I'm going to be using the standard PS3 controller that I enjoy. Don't see what relevance your type of control has to do with the game.

Puckhog04

I don't dislike control pads, but for fps games, the m/kb combo is just faster and more accurate.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I was planning to buy it on PS3 anyway...and I'm going to be using the standard PS3 controller that I enjoy. Don't see what relevance your type of control has to do with the game.

Heirren

I don't dislike control pads, but for fps games, the m/kb combo is just faster and more accurate.

To each his own.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I was planning to buy it on PS3 anyway...and I'm going to be using the standard PS3 controller that I enjoy. Don't see what relevance your type of control has to do with the game.

Puckhog04

I don't dislike control pads, but for fps games, the m/kb combo is just faster and more accurate.

To each his own.

Well, that's fair, but when you put a controller vs m/kb it is like a bike race where one bike has a nicely oiled chain, and the other an old rusty one.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I don't dislike control pads, but for fps games, the m/kb combo is just faster and more accurate.

Heirren

To each his own.

Well, that's fair, but when you put a controller vs m/kb it is like a bike race where one bike has a nicely oiled chain, and the other an old rusty one.

Suppose we'll see. :) Doesn't really matter to me either way. Just wanna play the game.

[QUOTE="lostfan132"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

Heirren

at lest we'll be able to find a match, x box 360 version of this will be dead within a couple of months. at least ps3 will get instant updates through steam and free dlc most likely like the stuff thats coming for portal 2. face it microsoft being stingy is the only reason this is happening.

Generic drivers? Oh ahahahahaha. That's hilarious. You seriously think that the ps3 can't support a gaming mouse? I'd imagine if it isn't possible now, a firmware update could fix the problem. Not only that, but I've read numerous times on this forum, when I bring up the "cost" of pc gaming--naming the price of a good mouse, that a gaming mouse is not even necessary and that many use a 50 dollar logitech. Heck, I have a logitech from well over 4 years ago and it works just fine.

Massive LOL at 24 button mouse. Perhaps 360 will blow all the versions away with homemade imaginary 438 button mouse.

[QUOTE="lostfan132"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

Heirren

at lest we'll be able to find a match, x box 360 version of this will be dead within a couple of months. at least ps3 will get instant updates through steam and free dlc most likely like the stuff thats coming for portal 2. face it microsoft being stingy is the only reason this is happening.

Generic drivers? Oh ahahahahaha. That's hilarious. You seriously think that the ps3 can't support a gaming mouse? I'd imagine if it isn't possible now, a firmware update could fix the problem. Not only that, but I've read numerous times on this forum, when I bring up the "cost" of pc gaming--naming the price of a good mouse, that a gaming mouse is not even necessary and that many use a 50 dollar logitech. Heck, I have a logitech from well over 4 years ago and it works just fine.

Massive LOL at 24 button mouse. Perhaps 360 will blow all the versions away with homemade imaginary 438 button mouse.

[QUOTE="fabz_95"]It's a shame they're not doing it for all 3 systems as I'd love to be able to play with 360 gamers but at least I'll be able to play against my PC friends.ianuilliam

Wouldn't this be because of xbla? dun dun dun. Why is everyone mad, it's Microsoft's fault not Valve's.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]I'll own PC gamers with my PS3 controller, who is up for the challenge.lbjkurono23

Second, I better bookmark this, cause I maybe up for it if I were to buy it.

Anyone else think that they will butcher the mouse / keyboard controls just to give console users a chance?

Not that it will help that much... If i remember correctly there was a game that tried it and PC users still facerolled console users. Shadowrun?

First off, the DPI of a mouse is totally irrelevant. Yes, that means your totally pimped out Razer mouse with 5.000 DPI and flashing lights, is essentially a 100 dollar piece of plastic with lights.

DPI stands for Dots Per Inch, and on a basic level means how many dots on the screen, your pointer moves. It has nothing to do with how precise the mouse is. All it does, is determine how fast the mouse sensitivty is by default. Nothing else. This is clever marketing by Razer, as stated by the marketing manager of SteelSeries.

The most popular, and widely used mice by CS players, is the Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0, and its variants. This mouse is so popular, that the design today is still being copied, and the mouse is still being rereleased. Its an 800 Dpi mouse.

The Logitech MX510 and 518 are also very popular, not on the MSI3.0 level, but still very popular.

Most dont use the drivers that come along with the mice either. The mouse for a CS or any other high level PC fps player, is like a scalpel for a surgeon, and they can get extremly religious about it.

Another totally different issue is mouse acceleration, but i wont be going into detail about that, you can google if you want to know what it is.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

mrmusicman247

Challenge accepted.

we argued this before and we ve beaten ur faces end over end last gen....theres a reason why ppl curse n swear at their games its cause ppl like us exist. and all this will do is educate your brains further on how far down the slope you are from us AGAIN.

so indeed bring your little controller we prepped for war"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFFNVfb2l0

Whats funny is that 360 users wont care they'll get counter strike Valve isn't stupid enough not to release it on the 360 and 360 users wont care they'll be getting counter strike they couldn't careless about mice and keyboard or motion controls.

WilliamRLBaker

Actually, m/kb is why I went back to PC. That and decent software support.

First off, the DPI of a mouse is totally irrelevant. Yes, that means your totally pimped out Razer mouse with 5.000 DPI and flashing lights, is essentially a 100 dollar piece of plastic with lights.

DPI stands for Dots Per Inch, and on a basic level means how many dots on the screen, your pointer moves. It has nothing to do with how precise the mouse is. All it does, is determine how fast the mouse sensitivty is by default. Nothing else. This is clever marketing by Razer, as stated by the marketing manager of SteelSeries.

The most popular, and widely used mice by CS players, is the Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0, and its variants. This mouse is so popular, that the design today is still being copied, and the mouse is still being rereleased. Its an 800 Dpi mouse.

The Logitech MX510 and 518 are also very popular, not on the MSI3.0 level, but still very popular.

Most dont use the drivers that come along with the mice either. The mouse for a CS or any other high level PC fps player, is like a scalpel for a surgeon, and they can get extremly religious about it.

Another totally different issue is mouse acceleration, but i wont be going into detail about that, you can google if you want to know what it is.

AndersK

That's not really true. An optical mouse is taking constant snapshots of a surface. So if this snapshot were 1"x1" there would be 800 individual samples (think pixels) taken from that area. If you double the resolution, that snapshot is now twice as detailed. The sensitivity goes up due to reporting back essentially twice as much movement. Lower your sensivity and the mouse actually is more accurate, just not in the way most people think.

The mouse is taking rapid snapshots and comparing them to the previous snapshots to determine movement. You don't need a terribly high resolution to do determine which direction a mouse is moving in (just like you can squint your eyes fairly easily tell which direction an object is passing in front of your face despite not having a clear picture of what that object is). So with higher resolution your mouse probably performs better on more uniform surfaces and not a heck of a lot else.

As far as the IE3.0 goes, I think the popularity is largely group think... (just like 800x600 resolution was). There have been better mice for a long time... Polling rates (hz) and resolution do make minute differences and modern mice can track movements much faster than you are capable of producing. Earlier optical mice sometimes would "freak out" if you spun around too quickly.

Awesome, I've got friends with PS3s I'd love to play with.

the Xbox 360 version will have a large enough online community where it wouldn't matter to go cross platform, with PS3 gamers playing with PC gamers you can throw Move and Dual Shock 3 controls out the window as you'll pretty much need mouse and keyboard to play against the others using mouse and keyboard, I don't see anything wrong with Xbox 360 players playing with standard controllers as long as everyone else has to as that puts people on equal grounds as far as controls go and leaving the rest to skilllamprey263

Microsoft must have done something to really upset Valve.lusitanogamer

Microsoft must have done something to really upset Valve.lusitanogamer

MS already did tons of research on cross platform play. KB and mouse always destroyed controllers. And I'm gonna destroy PS3 owners with my logitech g500 mouse.

MS already did tons of research on cross platform play. KB and mouse always destroyed controllers. And I'm gonna destroy PS3 owners with my logitech g500 mouse.

jimmypsn

People on this topic should learn to read. "KB/M will destroy a controller"? The news here is that the PS3 version will also support KB/M and Move. The PS3 and PC versions will be basically the same.Nolakk

"On PC and Mac, Counter-Strike: GO players can expect the standard options you get with a Steam game and any of the control options you would have with a computer. On the Xbox 360, players will use a game pad. On the PS3, players can use the game controller, the PlayStation Move motion controller or even a mouse and keyboard. PS3, Mac and PC players will be match-made against each other, clumped by skill, regardless of input device or platform. (Valve didn't demonstrate the PS3-PC.Mac cross-play to me today, but they confirmed that that enticing bit of networking is something they are striving to include in the game.)"

So, uhh, who's still buying the Xbox 360 version?

Source- http://kotaku.com/counter_strike/

GameShtopper

I see this as a very good thing for PS3 owners, because this basically ensures that Counter Strike will have a very robust community on the PSN for a very, very long time.

[QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"]

[QUOTE="Nolakk"]People on this topic should learn to read. "KB/M will destroy a controller"? The news here is that the PS3 version will also support KB/M and Move. The PS3 and PC versions will be basically the same.Nolakk

Theres nothing wrong with having more choices to play a game, but if you like playing with a handicap when KB/M is clearly superior to a gamepad (FPS) well thats your choice.

[QUOTE="Nolakk"][QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"] Yeah, but not every ps3 owner is going to use kb/m setup. only those hardcore players will likely use it, which only make up a small portion. As for move... yeah.. no. The rest... well lets say lots of rage quiting will unsue.

Deadbeatcobra

Theres nothing wrong with having more choices to play a game, but if you like playing with a handicap when KB/M is clearly superior to a gamepad (FPS) well thats your choice.

[QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"]

[QUOTE="Nolakk"] And? People like you are just trolling here with the "oh no, i will own ps3 players bc im gonna play with a KB/M, im so good" You are talking like PS3 players can't choose to play with KB/M too, which they can if they all want. What are you gonna say next? Having 3 ways to play the game (including your almighty KB/M) is worse than having only one choice to play? Oh the humanity...Nolakk

Theres nothing wrong with having more choices to play a game, but if you like playing with a handicap when KB/M is clearly superior to a gamepad (FPS) well thats your choice.

move support? im impressed :)

KBFloYd

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

WilliamRLBaker

Any mouse still beats a controller for accuracy and speed but keyboards are just god awful for gaming designed in the 60's and they should have stayed there, i want modern inputs not a giant slab of keys designed with a ruler.

sooooo why do u pay for xbox live then?stereointegrity

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I can imagine the gnashing of teeth and return of games when PS3 users get hopelessly owned, Keyboard and mouse support isn't like PC support your using generic drivers so those fancy dpi settings, high accuracy and such on that pc mouse? yep only basics are supported on the ps3 its not like you can plug in a 24 button mouse and all the buttons work on the ps3.

your getting generic usb drivers even if you use a mouse and keyboard high precision mice users on the PC will be owning you.

JohnF111

Any mouse still beats a controller for accuracy and speed but keyboards are just god awful for gaming designed in the 60's and they should have stayed there, i want modern inputs not a giant slab of keys designed with a ruler.

Get a gameboard. I haven't used one personally but friends say they're invaluable when gaming online. However you feel about keyboards they still allow games to be made for PC that couldn't be made for consoles because lack of keys. ArmA2, X3, EvE and pretty much an MMORPG for example.