Valve: Orange Box Uses 93 - 94% of 360 Power, PS3 Using No SPU's

VACASCULIADA, that interview never happend. It's obviously fake. I mean, he mentions that the game is using the PS3's GPU and Cell yet at the same time mentions that they're not using any SPU'S??? LoL, dumb FTL! Btw, I'm pretty sure that Valve themselves are not even handling the PS3 version of the game.

VACASCULIADA, that interview never happend. It's obviously fake. I mean, he mentions that the game is using the PS3's GPU and Cell yet at the same time mentions that they're not using any SPU'S??? LoL, dumb FTL! Btw, I'm pretty sure that Valve themselves are not even handling the PS3 version of the game.

LuvGaming

Valve is just lazy. If it's sooo hard to optimize the PS3 then don't even make a damn game for the system. Complaining about it like they have is childish and they obviously don't have enough skill or the desire to learn to develop for the PS3.

I am not going to be suprised when the orange box runs like ass on the PS3.

This doesn't make any sence to me. First of all the SPE's I believe are what he is refering to, which are made up of an SPU and a memory flow controller. Secondly the cell architecture is built around using the PPE to send tasks to the SPEs. The PPE can run applications by itself, but with most applications it will send the more intensive parts to be run on the SPEs. I am very suprised to hear that the SPEs are not being taken advatage of, especially from experienced developers like those at Valve, because it is the only way to achieve the best performancefor any application.

Those are my reasons as to why this story seems a little strange.

P.S. "complexer"

SuperVegeta518

Add to this, that even if the brute processing power of the RSX over the mother die (of the 360 GPU) frees up enough cycles to eliminate the advantage of the EDRAM completely; they are saying that what is done on the PPE takes all 3 cores of the 360, even though they are very similar...

Then again, maybe by power they meant available wattage...

Smells fishy to me too.

Well he has a good point, I mean right now u dont see anything on xbox 360 that looks better then mass effect and it prolly has reached itz limits. Where he said with the ps3 they arent even using the SPU's and just the graphics chip and cell so they dont know how much they are using with the ps3 because the ps3 still has SPU's they can add more to, so its obvious the ps3 has potential still waiting to be unleashed. Check this out, remember when Kutaragi said ps3 can do 4D, and ppl made fun of him, well guess what, seemz like he wasnt lying, and they also said 4D can be only done on a high end PC and PS3, but the xbox 360 wouldnt be able to handle 4D. Link here. http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-Reality-Only-For-PlayStation-3--a1063-p0.php

We should believe all the articles that comes from Playstation Universe :roll: ?VACASCULIADAS

Warhawk, Lair AAAA GOTY.

[QUOTE="Chetnik07"]We're still optimizing for PS3 more because we canLuvGaming

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LOL!!! 93-94%!!! what are valve doing, i highly doubt any developer can take advantage of 94% of its power this early. And doesn't it only run at 30fps??? Lol my 3 year old computer can run it Max's settings at the highest res at 50-60fps. If this is true then valve have really f***** up in developing the game on 360, that has to be some of the most un-optimized code ever!!michael098

Valve is just lazy. If it's sooo hard to optimize the PS3 then don't even make a damn game for the system. Complaining about it like they have is childish and they obviously don't have enough skill or the desire to learn to develop for the PS3.

I am not going to be suprised when the orange box runs like ass on the PS3.

whitetiger3521

And that why all ps3 ports are being made by ea games and valve are doing xbox360 and the pc of course.

Look at the site: Playstation Universe

and I can name 5 games that already look better than that.

Edit: Just realized it's at their optimization.....not the console power in general..

killaj2786

This is the constant here in SW: A anti-Sony fanboy coming up with the bashing of the source and/or the TC.

Does it really matter who does the interview? Aren't the words quoted by the TC of the actual devs? What does it matter if its said on GS, IGN, PSU, or my backyard?

I'm sorry but, xbox 360 architecture is the same as a pc. It ahs the same gpu, and cpu. it sin't that they are lazy, valve is one of the best developers in the world, and half life 2 is still argurably the greatest looking game (at least you could say it still has the best physics, animations, and lighting).

*Continues playing Half-Life 2 at 250 fps* ... Orange box ... consoles ...why?Meu2k7

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]*Continues playing Half-Life 2 at 250 fps* ... Orange box ... consoles ...why?numba1234

1650 x 1050 , Q6600 , 3 GB 800 MHz , 8800 GTS 640 MB

Found this bit of info from a mod at TeamXbox, seems this story is taken from forum posts at PS3 forums from a poster pretending to be a dev from Valve. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showpost.php?p=9851442&postcount=36 "I call fake. That interview is complete and utter BS. Those quotes are taken from a poster pretending to be a dev at PS3forums. Here's where blue Fantasy had it out with him. The TXB thread is the cliffs, the other is where it happened. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=540058 http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=91194 Not using SPUs"swanlee

[QUOTE="numba1234"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]*Continues playing Half-Life 2 at 250 fps* ... Orange box ... consoles ...why?Meu2k7

1650 x 1050 , Q6600 , 3 GB 800 MHz , 8800 GTS 640 MB

Found this bit of info from a mod at TeamXbox, seems this story is taken from forum posts at PS3 forums from a poster pretending to be a dev from Valve. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showpost.php?p=9851442&postcount=36 "I call fake. That interview is complete and utter BS. Those quotes are taken from a poster pretending to be a dev at PS3forums. Here's where blue Fantasy had it out with him. The TXB thread is the cliffs, the other is where it happened. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=540058 http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=91194 Not using SPUs"swanlee

I knew something was fishy about that so called article. Not using any SPU's made it sound not credible. It also sounded very biased. I'm sure valve is using SPU's for HL2: The orange Box.

Put it this way... Half-Life 2 came out for the original Xbox. The same Half-Life 2 that will be in The Orange Box (but presumably with graphics optimized for 720p.) There is no way that game can be taking up 94% of the 360's resources unless Valve is a lazy, lazy developer.UnnDunn

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]Put it this way... Half-Life 2 came out for the original Xbox. The same Half-Life 2 that will be in The Orange Box (but presumably with graphics optimized for 720p.) There is no way that game can be taking up 94% of the 360's resources unless Valve is a lazy, lazy developer.-wii60-

First the sony defense force... now this? Their going a little too far with this fanboy ****.

[QUOTE="killaj2786"]

Look at the site: Playstation Universe

and I can name 5 games that already look better than that.

Ps3Solider

Exactly. That demonstrates the superior power of the PS3 over the 360, or else it demonstrates the fact that PS3 is easier to optimise for or something.

[QUOTE="Ps3Solider"][QUOTE="killaj2786"]

Look at the site: Playstation Universe

and I can name 5 games that already look better than that.

ShmenonPie

Exactly. That demonstrates the superior power of the PS3 over the 360, or else it demonstrates the fact that PS3 is easier to optimise for or something.

Or it demonstrates, as seen on the top of this page, that it's fake

[QUOTE="killaj2786"]

Look at the site: Playstation Universe

and I can name 5 games that already look better than that.

Ps3Solider

I think the guy lost all credibility when he used a word like 'complexer' [sic]. :lol: His percentages sound just as wacky as his improper terminology.

I like how people point to some responses as typical fanboy crap when the question of this article being up on PSU. We all know what the response would be to an article that painted the PS3 in a negative light if the source was Teamxbox or any other 360 fansite. Don't act like it's a one-sided card.

I think the guy lost all credibility when he used a word like 'complexer' (sic). :lol: His percentages sound just as wacky as his improper terminology.

I like how people point to some responses as typical fanboy crap when the question of this article being up on PSU. We all know what the response would be to an article that painted the PS3 in a negative light if the source was Teamxbox or any other 360 fansite. Don't act like it's a one-sided card.

Ghost_Face

Gasp! You dare question PSU? The same website which gave us the 100%-true-not-at-all-a-lie storythat Sony are buying Rockstar, and also thecompletely notBSstory that the PS3 is the only console which can do '4D graphics'?

Can somebody tell me what SPU is? :?Sim_genius

They are actually SPE's, not SPU's.

According to Wikipedia:

The Synergistic Processing Elements are comprised of SPU's (Synergistic Processing Unit) and a Memory Flow Controller. An SPE is an RISC processor with 128-bit SIMD organization for single and double precision instructions. With the current generation of the Cell, each SPE contains a 256KiB instruction and data local memory area (called "local store") which is visible to the PPE and can be addressed directly by software. Each SPE can support up to 4GiB(aka 4 GB's)of local store memory. The local store does not operate like a conventional CPU cache since it is neither transparent to software nor does it contain hardware structures that predict which data to load. The SPEs contain a 128 × 128 register file and measure 14.5mm² on a 90nm process. An SPE can operate on 16 8-bit integers, 8 16-bit integers, 4 32-bit integers, or 4 single precision floating-point numbers in a single clock cycle. It can also do a memory operation in the same clock cycle. Note that the SPU processor cannot directly access system memory; the 64-bit memory addresses formed by the SPU must be passed from the SPU processor to the SPE memory flow controller (MFC) to set up a DMA operation within the system address space.

If Half Life 2 is using almost the max of the 360's potential, that is pretty sad, because last gen consoles could play that game and it is not graphically intensive. If I could run it on a Radeon 9200 at fairly decent settings, the 360 should notbe using 94% of it's power in order to run the game, those added features do not require that much more power.DSgamer64

Optimisation is key here. Once they hit 60 FPS there was no need to try to make it run better and there is no problem with the game running at 94% power. Why optimise it to use less power if you don't have to? If you think the 360 could not handle more graphically intense games with better optimisation try running Bioshock, GRAW or Rainbow Six Vegas on a Radeon 9200 and see what happens.

[QUOTE="swanlee"]Found this bit of info from a mod at TeamXbox, seems this story is taken from forum posts at PS3 forums from a poster pretending to be a dev from Valve. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showpost.php?p=9851442&postcount=36 "I call fake. That interview is complete and utter BS. Those quotes are taken from a poster pretending to be a dev at PS3forums. Here's where blue Fantasy had it out with him. The TXB thread is the cliffs, the other is where it happened. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=540058 http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=91194 Not using SPUs"sirk1264

I knew something was fishy about that so called article. Not using any SPU's made it sound not credible. It also sounded very biased. I'm sure valve is using SPU's for HL2: The orange Box.

Put it this way... Half-Life 2 came out for the original Xbox. The same Half-Life 2 that will be in The Orange Box (but presumably with graphics optimized for 720p.) There is no way that game can be taking up 94% of the 360's resources unless Valve is a lazy, lazy developer.UnnDunn

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]If Half Life 2 is using almost the max of the 360's potential, that is pretty sad, because last gen consoles could play that game and it is not graphically intensive. If I could run it on a Radeon 9200 at fairly decent settings, the 360 should notbe using 94% of it's power in order to run the game, those added features do not require that much more power.JimmyT2

Optimisation is key here. Once they hit 60 FPS there was no need to try to make it run better and there is no problem with the game running at 94% power. Why optimise it to use less power if you don't have to? If you think the 360 could not handle more graphically intense games with better optimisation try running Bioshock, GRAW or Rainbow Six Vegas on a Radeon 9200 and see what happens.

I know, that would be pretty poor optimization if the 360 can't run the game at 60 FPS with HDR, AA and AF all enabled, something the original Half Life 2 did not have, hence why it could run fine on older machines.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]If Half Life 2 is using almost the max of the 360's potential, that is pretty sad, because last gen consoles could play that game and it is not graphically intensive. If I could run it on a Radeon 9200 at fairly decent settings, the 360 should notbe using 94% of it's power in order to run the game, those added features do not require that much more power.DSgamer64

Optimisation is key here. Once they hit 60 FPS there was no need to try to make it run better and there is no problem with the game running at 94% power. Why optimise it to use less power if you don't have to? If you think the 360 could not handle more graphically intense games with better optimisation try running Bioshock, GRAW or Rainbow Six Vegas on a Radeon 9200 and see what happens.

I know, that would be pretty poor optimization if the 360 can't run the game at 60 FPS with HDR, AA and AF all enabled, something the original Half Life 2 did not have, hence why it could run fine on older machines.

Yes and if you needed to point out a game with horrible optimisation on 360 you need look no further then Quake 4. The capabilities of a console should never be measured by poorly optimised games that are not impressive compared to other titles anyway. A console should be measured by it's best looking games, these are more often then not exclusives rather then ports.

Vavle make really good games and all........but somtimes i really wish they would shut updesktopdefender

:lol:

damage control at its finest

just exept it xbox360 is not as powerfull as microsoft makes you believe..

94% in its 3rd year lol xbox720 on its way

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]Oh noez my 360 is almost out of percents! It's only got a few percents left and Valve can't make them work itz doom for us all.Seckzy_Gamer

Be easy now fella, Maybe I can borrow you some percents from my 360

[QUOTE="desktopdefender"]Vavle make really good games and all........but somtimes i really wish they would shut uplegalize3

:lol:

damage control at its finest

just exept it xbox360 is not as powerfull as microsoft makes you believe..

94% in its 3rd year lol xbox720 on its way