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#601 Lumpy311
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Is m3boarder flaunting his magical plasma that improves graphics and resolution again? Jesus, we already know you are stupid.

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#602 consoletroll
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="consoletroll"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] He was asking me dude. I'll answer: Compared to PC games on my 1440p LCD

How much time to you spend in front of the tv? 1080 p sucks - period. All you talk about is your plasma tv dude. Nobody gives a shit. I have 5 tvs in my house -not a big deal. PC can be plugged in to any hdmi/dvi/vga tv or monitor. PC monitors have the best IQ. 2560x1440 vs 1920x1080. PC is best, end of story. Nobody is jealous of you.

You must have 5 garbage TV's if you think 1440p monitor looks better than a 1080p plasma. I have a 1440p monitor and a 1080p Plasma and the Plasma blows away the monitor. If you owned a quality TV you'd understand

I dont watch much tv. Get within 4 feet of a 1080p screen larger than 27 inches and you will see every pixel. Thats terrible. Maybe your monitor sucks.
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Steam Survey: A lot of people play Bejewled through Steam
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#604 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="consoletroll"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] He was asking me dude. I'll answer: Compared to PC games on my 1440p LCD

How much time to you spend in front of the tv? 1080 p sucks - period. All you talk about is your plasma tv dude. Nobody gives a shit. I have 5 tvs in my house -not a big deal. PC can be plugged in to any hdmi/dvi/vga tv or monitor. PC monitors have the best IQ. 2560x1440 vs 1920x1080. PC is best, end of story. Nobody is jealous of you.

You must have 5 garbage TV's if you think 1440p monitor looks better than a 1080p plasma. I have a 1440p monitor and a 1080p Plasma and the Plasma blows away the monitor. If you owned a quality TV you'd understand

Good grief your a major troll, Gio.... I too have a 52" Plasma TV and a 32: Plasma and have multiple LCD TV's along with a IPS LED monitor for my PC. Plasma does not magically make console games look soo much better, yes contrast and truer color palettes can change an aspect of games. Dont over blow the low resolutions, lack of many graphical aspects consoles just dont have, and rave its all about the Plasma., when a Pc with superior graphical abilities will overshadow console version even if its on LCD...
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[QUOTE="consoletroll"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="consoletroll"] How much time to you spend in front of the tv? 1080 p sucks - period. All you talk about is your plasma tv dude. Nobody gives a shit. I have 5 tvs in my house -not a big deal. PC can be plugged in to any hdmi/dvi/vga tv or monitor. PC monitors have the best IQ. 2560x1440 vs 1920x1080. PC is best, end of story. Nobody is jealous of you.

You must have 5 garbage TV's if you think 1440p monitor looks better than a 1080p plasma. I have a 1440p monitor and a 1080p Plasma and the Plasma blows away the monitor. If you owned a quality TV you'd understand

I dont watch much tv. Get within 4 feet of a 1080p screen larger than 27 inches and you will see every pixel. Thats terrible. Maybe your monitor sucks.

Well a 30-32" 1080p monitor as a compounder monitor on top of a computer desk sitting 2-3 feet away is obviously stupid. 4 ft is completely fine however.. But I don't see what your point is, obviously when comparing screens you should judge them each at their ideal viewing distances. I'm 10 ft away from my 64" Plasma, and 2-3 ft away from my Apple 1440p monitor. The extra resolution is not perceivable, the better blacks, better color saturation, and better motion resolution of the Plasma is night and day difference vs the IPS monitor
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#606 MonsieurX
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But it doesn't make console games magically good looking
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#607 m3Boarder32
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But it doesn't make console games magically good lookingMonsieurX
My dunno Bioshock Infinite for example looks damn good on my TV
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#608 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] You've never seen ur PC on my TVm3Boarder32
Using basic logic would say that it would, better picture quality along with better effects etc. I'm curious as to how your TV could possibly make 720p look better than 1080p?

Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolution

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

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#609 RawDeal_basic
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Wait... how is this news? Were some of you people actually not aware of this?

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="soulitane"] Using basic logic would say that it would, better picture quality along with better effects etc. I'm curious as to how your TV could possibly make 720p look better than 1080p?nunovlopes

Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolution

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

Resolution is probably like the fourth place aspect of IQ.

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#611 Krelian-co
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is this idiot still arguing that his tv somehow magically transforms crappy console graphics into betetr than pc?

laso how is the tv somehow a positive for consoles if i can hook my pc to it too?

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="soulitane"] Using basic logic would say that it would, better picture quality along with better effects etc. I'm curious as to how your TV could possibly make 720p look better than 1080p?nunovlopes

Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolution

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

That is false, according to the Imaging and Science Foundation the 4 most important aspects to picture quality are. 1. Contrast 2. Color Saturation 3. Color Acuracy 4. Resolution All in that order. And I I can even argue that a Plasmas hold times are 4 times better than a 60hz LCD and 2 times better than a 120hz LCD, therefore leading to better motion resolution.
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="soulitane"] Using basic logic would say that it would, better picture quality along with better effects etc. I'm curious as to how your TV could possibly make 720p look better than 1080p?nunovlopes

Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolution

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?
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#614 m3Boarder32
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For example, here is Bioshock Infinite on my Plasma
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolutionlowe0

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?

Well that's probably because the source image for television is real life humans, scenery etc,  captured onto film. Whereas everything in a video game is built from the ground up in order to best resemble things from reality, probably built out of polygons in the game engine, then rendered etc. 

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]For example, here is Bioshock Infinite on my Plasma

Your trolling skills are really bad
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#617 lowe0
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]For example, here is Bioshock Infinite on my Plasma

Google image search says: nope.
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#618 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]For example, here is Bioshock Infinite on my Plasma

good fvcking lord....just stop posting
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

psymon100

Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?

Well that's probably because the source image for television is real life humans, scenery etc,  captured onto film. Whereas everything in a video game is built from the ground up in order to best resemble things from reality, probably built out of polygons in the game engine, then rendered etc. 

He said "nothing". I intend to hold him to that.
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolutionm3Boarder32

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

That is false, according to the Imaging and Science Foundation the 4 most important aspects to picture quality are. 1. Contrast 2. Color Saturation 3. Color Acuracy 4. Resolution All in that order. And I I can even argue that a Plasmas hold times are 4 times better than a 60hz LCD and 2 times better than a 120hz LCD, therefore leading to better motion resolution.

thread hijacked by butthurt consolites talking bs.

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He said "nothing". I intend to hold him to that.lowe0

Oh yip. Sorry dude. 

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]For example, here is Bioshock Infinite on my Plasma

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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolutionglez13

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

Resolution is probably like the fourth place aspect of IQ.

That's your opinion, resolution is the thing I notice the most. Other things I don't generally care as much. As long as blacks and contrast are acceptable, I'm good.

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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolutionlowe0

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?

It has NOTHING to do with image quality. TV at 480p or black and white still looks more realistic thay any game on any platform. Because it's a direct feed of reality. I can't believe you're this dense.

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#625 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation and 100% motion resolutionm3Boarder32

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

That is false, according to the Imaging and Science Foundation the 4 most important aspects to picture quality are. 1. Contrast 2. Color Saturation 3. Color Acuracy 4. Resolution All in that order. And I I can even argue that a Plasmas hold times are 4 times better than a 60hz LCD and 2 times better than a 120hz LCD, therefore leading to better motion resolution.

I don't give 2 sh1ts about that. I'm not a videophile, I don't notice if blacks are slighly not as deep, or if color accuracy is less than perfect. But I WILL notice resolution.

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#626 sethman410
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Hey m3Boarder32, does your "superior console setup" look better than... http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8757/crysis2012052408164310.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20494/ScreenShot0014.jpg http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/06/Crysis-GDC-2006-00.jpg Does it? I don't think so.
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#627 lostrib
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first Gio, and now lowe.  This is just getting worse and worse

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#628 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?lowe0

Well that's probably because the source image for television is real life humans, scenery etc,  captured onto film. Whereas everything in a video game is built from the ground up in order to best resemble things from reality, probably built out of polygons in the game engine, then rendered etc. 

He said "nothing". I intend to hold him to that.

When it comes to image quality, yes, I favor resolution above everything else. Television at 720p looks more realistic than any game because of the source material, not because of image quality.

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#629 psymon100
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Plus not to mention ... 

if the output hardware (display) is the same, then surely differences will arrive from the input source quality? (DVD vs Blu Ray, Xbox 360/PS3 vs high end PC)

 

Surely, we all know and accept this. 

Yeah duh a superior TV displays a better image than an inferior TV

Yeah duh a superior gaming device displays a better image than an inferior one

And of course, the most high end gaming devices might suffer a loss of detail if shown on an insufficient quality display. 

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[QUOTE="sethman410"]Hey m3Boarder32, does your "superior console setup" look better than... http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8757/crysis2012052408164310.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20494/ScreenShot0014.jpg http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/06/Crysis-GDC-2006-00.jpg Does it? I don't think so.

Is that Crysis 3?
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"]Hey m3Boarder32, does your "superior console setup" look better than... http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8757/crysis2012052408164310.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20494/ScreenShot0014.jpg http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/06/Crysis-GDC-2006-00.jpg Does it? I don't think so.

Is that Crysis 3?

Crysis 1
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#632 sethman410
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"]Hey m3Boarder32, does your "superior console setup" look better than... http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8757/crysis2012052408164310.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20494/ScreenShot0014.jpg http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/06/Crysis-GDC-2006-00.jpg Does it? I don't think so.

Is that Crysis 3?

Nope. First Crysis with mods. :) But I can bet you that I can still find vanilla pictures still will look helluva alot better than anything on consoles.
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#633 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

nunovlopes

Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?

It has NOTHING to do with image quality. TV at 480p or black and white still looks more realistic thay any game on any platform. Because it's a direct feed of reality. I can't believe you're this dense.

It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation
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#634 sethman410
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Then why does television at 720p look more realistic than any game on any platform?m3Boarder32

It has NOTHING to do with image quality. TV at 480p or black and white still looks more realistic thay any game on any platform. Because it's a direct feed of reality. I can't believe you're this dense.

It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???
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#635 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

It has NOTHING to do with image quality. TV at 480p or black and white still looks more realistic thay any game on any platform. Because it's a direct feed of reality. I can't believe you're this dense.

sethman410
It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???

It doesn't fit in his cabinet or he would have to build a tiny PC,how inconvenient :(
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#636 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"]Hey m3Boarder32, does your "superior console setup" look better than... http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8757/crysis2012052408164310.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20494/ScreenShot0014.jpg http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/06/Crysis-GDC-2006-00.jpg Does it? I don't think so.

Is that Crysis 3?

Nope. First Crysis with mods. :) But I can bet you that I can still find vanilla pictures still will look helluva alot better than anything on consoles.

Nah some exclusive console games look amazing
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#637 sethman410
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Is that Crysis 3?

Nope. First Crysis with mods. :) But I can bet you that I can still find vanilla pictures still will look helluva alot better than anything on consoles.

Nah some exclusive console games look amazing

Sure. But PC versions obliterate anything on consoles. :)
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

It has NOTHING to do with image quality. TV at 480p or black and white still looks more realistic thay any game on any platform. Because it's a direct feed of reality. I can't believe you're this dense.

sethman410
It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???

I'm implying that my console setup Is superior to your PC setup
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#639 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"] Nope. First Crysis with mods. :) But I can bet you that I can still find vanilla pictures still will look helluva alot better than anything on consoles.

Nah some exclusive console games look amazing

Sure. But PC versions obliterate anything on consoles. :)

PC versions of exclusive games don't exist
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#640 m3Boarder32
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gamers who connect their PC, to their high end surround sound and plasma TV's need their own faction. Maybe id join that faction.
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#641 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???

I'm implying that my console setup Is superior to your PC setup

Your TV doesn't make shitty looking games into eye pleasuring things
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#642 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Nah some exclusive console games look amazing

Sure. But PC versions obliterate anything on consoles. :)

PC versions of exclusive games don't exist

lolwat?
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#643 MonsieurX
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gamers who connect their PC, to their high end surround sound and plasma TV's need their own faction. Maybe id join that faction.m3Boarder32
Why? Still using a PC :|
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#644 sethman410
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Well, m3Borader32, check this out. Is this a real photo or in-game screenshot?

 

Real or fake?!?!

 

And... this is NOT a PC exslusive. ;)

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???

I'm implying that my console setup Is superior to your PC setup

But you don't know how my PC is setup. Dumbass.
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#646 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

nunovlopes

That is false, according to the Imaging and Science Foundation the 4 most important aspects to picture quality are. 1. Contrast 2. Color Saturation 3. Color Acuracy 4. Resolution All in that order. And I I can even argue that a Plasmas hold times are 4 times better than a 60hz LCD and 2 times better than a 120hz LCD, therefore leading to better motion resolution.

I don't give 2 sh1ts about that. I'm not a videophile, I don't notice if blacks are slighly not as deep, or if color accuracy is less than perfect. But I WILL notice resolution.

How can yiu say you don't notice superior blacks and contrast? I assure you you'd notice with the two displays side by side, what you wouldn't notice is the resolution, unless you are sitting too close to the 1080p display
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#647 sethman410
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] That is false, according to the Imaging and Science Foundation the 4 most important aspects to picture quality are. 1. Contrast 2. Color Saturation 3. Color Acuracy 4. Resolution All in that order. And I I can even argue that a Plasmas hold times are 4 times better than a 60hz LCD and 2 times better than a 120hz LCD, therefore leading to better motion resolution.m3Boarder32

I don't give 2 sh1ts about that. I'm not a videophile, I don't notice if blacks are slighly not as deep, or if color accuracy is less than perfect. But I WILL notice resolution.

 How can yiu say you don't notice superior blacks and contrast? I assure you you'd notice with the two displays side by side, what you wouldn't notice is the resolution, unless you are sitting too close to the 1080p display

Wrong. You can clearly see the resolution differences from a distance more than contrasts, blacks, and colors BY FAR....

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#648 glez13
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Those things are nice. But NOTHING beats resolution.

nunovlopes

Resolution is probably like the fourth place aspect of IQ.

That's your opinion, resolution is the thing I notice the most. Other things I don't generally care as much. As long as blacks and contrast are acceptable, I'm good.

Actually you are the one that is following opinions. I'm just trying to repeat what experts from the ISF say.

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#649 clyde46
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] It's not opinion, this is based on facts by the Imaging and SCIENCE Foundation

Are you implying that PCs cannot be hooked up to plasma tvs or there are no PC monitor that looks as good as plasma tvs if not better???

I'm implying that my console setup Is superior to your PC setup

You don't know his setup you dolt.
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#650 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I don't give 2 sh1ts about that. I'm not a videophile, I don't notice if blacks are slighly not as deep, or if color accuracy is less than perfect. But I WILL notice resolution.

sethman410

 How can yiu say you don't notice superior blacks and contrast? I assure you you'd notice with the two displays side by side, what you wouldn't notice is the resolution, unless you are sitting too close to the 1080p display

Wrong. You can clearly see the resolution differences from a distance more than contrasts, blacks, and colors BY FAR....

Science disagrees