Voice Actors Left UC4 Over "weird changes" to the Script

@oflow:

as much as I miss Hennig, and I'm pretty sure it was Neil Druckmann who drove her out, but he and Straley are like the Batman and Robin of video game writing bro. And the rest of the team are basically some of the very best talent in the industry like Corrine Yu, so UC4's chances of flopping are next to none. These are proven people not a bunch of scrubs.

Huh?

You're the one trolling in here

At this stage of development and making such big changes. That is rarely a good sign.

Speak for yourself. One of the main reasons I look over the fact that Uncharted is very average from a gameplay perspective is because of the fact that the story and characters make it shine.

Average gunplay, average platforming elements, average AI, below average puzzles. The reason Uncharted is what it is, is because of the production values add a really glossy coat of paint to a game that is not really spectacular in any way.

@lostrib: No not at all just calling out someone who repeatedly post from multiple accounts with the same agenda.

It's always nice to see someone be honest about this.

Though I'd even put the platforming in the below average category.

Creatively it does effect them, not all actors actually have range or enjoy doing every type of character ever. Could just as easily be the initial character type Amy Henning wrote for Tudyk worked great for him, where as what Neil Druckman wrote wasn't his cup of tea, and since his contract was made null and void (ergo now he wasn't obligated to keep working), he was free to look at the new script and say "meh, I'll go do something else", and they did.

Either way Des is on point in saying there isn't much of an issue here, and certainly not one we haven't been aware of. The difference in Amy Henning's writing vs Neil Druckmann's would be pretty apparent going from the Uncharted games to what The Last of Us is, from cadence, to script, to screenplay, etc. It's widely known now that they through out like 8 months of work, and redid the whole script and plot.

@Blabadon: Henning did two (actually three but whatever) Soul Reaver games which had ridiculously good story and enormously vast lore...

And you probably never played them, you so-called Sony fan...

Henning > Druckman

Also, Fillion (Buck) > Drake

@Jag85: If Legacy Of Lain was so great why are the sales and reviews lower? And why is the IP dead now? Henning is not as good as Druckmann...period.

Nathan and Victor do more than just hold hands now.

@sHaDyCuBe321: Gtfo ...

So you trying to say that Uncharted series won countless awards from both industry and critics , friends AND foes praised series left and right , for voice acting ?

And assuming it was voice acting alone for the sake of your pathetic claim , you really think ND wont deliver great voice acting once again just with different voice actors ? Do you really think that ?

Or you think latest DEMO of Uncharted 4 that made thousands of thousands of Youtubers and gamers all over the world , critics as well, shit their pants with what they saw ... was because of voice acting ?

Ok buddy , whatever you say ! Personally , i dont give an F if voice acting is 10/10 like it was or 9.99/10 that will be ( im not expecting anything less from ND ). Its people like you that will find it "BAD" yet you scored Twilight Princess and Resident evil 4 a 10 ... Two games that literally split fans in half and despite all the fuss about them too many found them ... plain bad , actually for too many Zelda fans TP considered the worst Zelda up to date with SS being close let alone RE4 being not a RE after 4 which its formula of stupid AI , horrific shooting elements , remove of survival elements and many more stupid things i can talk all day led Resident evil as a franchise to the dramatic state it is today .

Well from those 2 examples alone , we beg to differ how we score and see values in games big time. SO further discussion i think will be a nonsense ..In the end of the time is all about taste and opinions. Bottom line is , you keep playing Uncharted series for voice acting , ill keep playing them for the whole , jaw-dropping package which very few , if no other , games can go near it for what it offers OVERALL ( caps to emphasize )

@rskueem: Since you wondering too much ill make you stop wondering

And this is only for Uncharted 2 and are NOT ALL awards from every single site etc etc ... Wondering now ? Actually are that many that i bet you didnt even read them all ! Now you want me to post TLOU ones ?

No , i just made you stop wondering thats all. If you want more awards for all ND games ASIDE playstation/fan based sites and magazines let me know. I found way more than those i posted earlier

Sums up Naughty Duds fans and cows. They care about wow factor more than gameplay as I was saying all along.

Yes , aside everything else , i love wow factors in games , specially if its a "wow" like no other. Who the hell doesnt ? Why you think UC4 demo got praised like no other on latest E3 ? If you dont like it, who cares. Stop acting like Uncharted is bad gameplay wise , it blends so many gameplay elements few games do in such cool fashion.

It doesnt excell in a single gameplay element like games dedicated to a single gameplay genre element but its good/decent in everything with the addition of fantastic direction , story , graphics etc etc ... yes , its a freaking wow factor overall which very very few games can manage each generation.

Except the very first title that had its issues i never felt Uncharted series as a let down gameplay wise based on what this genre is all about , what UC games are all about .

Just move on and go play ...oh wait , what you playing ? What you think as good gameplay on action/adventure genre ? I mean lol. Waiting to hear what games you playing right now to see if you talking out of your butt or you really playing only "AAA" gameplay games. Lets see ... im waiting

PS : I think ill wait for too long

keep in mind that @-God- doesn't even have a PC..

a high end one, if he shifts goalposts..

Druckmann and Straley: "Okay, we know it's supposed to say 'take cover' there, but we want you to say 'I like sexy time with my Playstation' in a sexy voice alright?

Alan Tudyk: "Yeah, I don't think that's what the character would say and I think that'd be bad for my career..."

Druckmann and Straley: "FUCKING SAY IT, SAY YOU WANT TO DO THINGS TO YOUR PLAYSTATION AND MAKE SEXY NOISES"

Alan Tudyk: "Yeah, but noo, I'm going to go now, um, so don't call me, I'll call you and we can work something out"

Good post.

I'd like to see what the changes were. Since it doesn't sound as serious but at the same time VA's left.

Perhaps something like... A certain Voice Actor doesn't like swearing or cursing and now with a new change his character swears a lot. Maybe something similar to this is what caused it.

Uncharted is not bad from a gameplay wise, it's terrible. You want to know about good Action Adventure games? Look at Prince of Persia: Sands of Time trilogy and old Tomb Raider games that UC tries to copy all its ideas from but fails utterly at them.

Despite all this..

The one thing I can't get around is Nathan Drake....he's such a pain. He's a really annoying character. I find he breaks the immersion to almost any situation in the game. The player never feels the same as Drake, because of his stereotypical personality that stays consistent and almost unchanging through the entire 3 previous games.

He is one of the reasons why I don't care whatsoever about Uncharted 4.

No something is wrong with you ! " Im wondering about all those awards " Wtf you wondering about when you have google ? You are so good to search about PS magazines praising a PS game but not that good to actually find all awards ND games won from other industry/media behemoths of video gaming ?

If someone has lack of oxygen is you , all i did was give you facts over your pathetic claim of " Im wondering " .... So for you to stop wondering , take facts in your face and live with it. Dont rage , are just facts. And if you wondering more , i got more.

PS : And if those facts making me a fanboy .. whatever , they are still facts. On the other hand , what makes you , all people that coming here and talking about different voice acting as the end of the world if not haters or dissers ? Gtfo pls !! Calm down , facts are facts , move on or youll make me post another wall of text of awards for another ND game ... just in case you still wondering

Ok its terrible . /facepalm .. you still didnt answer what you currently playing though ... Whys that ?

So many awards for UC franchise yet you calling it an utter fail ? What a joke ... Whatever , your opinion , facts seems to differ.

There's also a rife amount of mantilems too.

I am also shocked that no one reported that ND said this was an end of an era for Nathan Drake. They were saying the series is almost 10 years old and time to let him go. Just sounds like more hype to me. Next thing you know Uncharted 29 will be out.

Also they just announced they wrapped up motion capture for the game. That seems late to me. Another delay?

Directions in the story would not on its own cause most people to leave a project. This has to be political.

GTFO for something that is my opinion? Interesting.

You're entire post is null and void due to the simple fact that you originally said, "but its not the main reason why WE like Uncharted in the first place." I said "speak for yourself", which you should and went on to state my OPINION. But I'll play.

1.) The fact that you even begin to use countless awards as a means of validating your OPINION means jack shit. Furthermore you looking at different videogame publishers and systems as having "friends" or "foes" shows how much of a fanboy you truly are.

2.) Youtubers and critics mean nothing to me when I'm enjoying a game. They don't play the game for me.

3.) Find ANYWHERE in my post where I stated that Uncharted was bad. Please....I'll wait...ok now that you looked back and saw that you are FULL OF SHIT, let me explain something that perhaps your simple mind cannot comprehend. Not everything is split into black and white. Some things, for me, in my opinion, might be AVERAGE like I stated and some things might be excellent. FOR ME Uncharted's voice acting and presentation have always been excellent, where as the gameplay elements have always been average.

4.) Since when is the Resident Evil fanbase divided on RE4? And Twilight Princess is a "bad" game? You yourself use critics as a means of validating your point so I'll leave this here and here.

5.) I will continue playing Uncharted for the elements that I choose, and you continue to be a fanboy and let the critics guide you...

Neither of those are indicative of the quality of a game's writing.

The former means jack shit, that's as simple as one game being marketed better than the other, the latter? LMFAO, video game criticis? With stories? They almost have lower standards than actual video game players when it comes to that shit.

A few logical inconsistencies here

A: He spoke about himself specifically no broader context. And in his case yeah he valued the story and acting in Uncharted more than any of its gameplay

B: How in the **** are you going to name drop the praise and awards for Uncharted in a same paragraph where you shit on RE4, which was met with deafening praise and awards, to the point it routinely lands in a top 100 greatest of all times list (still mind you), drew a shit load of GOTY awards, and yeah the RE fanbase division aside (and even that is whatever), ignore the concept that Uncharted isn't always universally loved necessarily. Just like there is a highly vocal minority (considering how well RE4 sold in comparison to everything else in the series, would argue its haters are a minority), either way Uncharted picks on plenty for its average at best shooting (which Uncharted 2 being better than average), overly scripted gameplay, shallow shooter gameplay no less right down to its mp, an unbalanced mess that was UC3's mp, and some horrific level design in the case of UC3. Then there are the puzzles that are borderline stupid to begin with, but then the game adds on to it by actually giving you the answer at the press of a button?

I told you so , further discussion is a nonsense.

You scored RE4 a 10 and even worse ... TP a 10 ... then people like you calling people ( fanboys,cows,idiots whatever it is ) when they defending one of the most multi-awarded franchises because of ... voice acting ? Gtfo ! Lol ...

To prove you you are a shitty arrogant troll , why dont you just see all the cutscenes game has to offer on Youtube since all you like or matters to you from UC titles is ...story and voice acting etc ? Tell me a single reason if thats the case why you even buying the games and not just watch the Youtube videos with all cutscenes one after the other like a solid movie or something ? Right , because you are FULL OF SHIT my friend. Thats why!

I never said RE4 or TP are bad games i said their FLAWS were there big time and their were the worse games on series ( TP for sure , RE4 debateble after RE5/6 came along ) and if you were genuine like you trying to sound you wouldnt even consider to score a 10 for those games. A 9 at best , even as a fanboy. So calling others cows when you yourself youre as much legit as the worst fanboy around ... Come on !!

Keep playing voice acting , let everyone else playing what the game has to offer. If someone is full of shit , is you , read your first post and my first reply to you , its all there for you to review. Have a nice day

Bro i know you are a RE4 fanboy , lets do that some other time because im in a seriosu debate here , no time for your pathetic claims once again.

For example , to prove you wrong once agian :

How in the world someone can call Uncharted out for being utter bad in gameplay elements etc BUT PRAISE Resident evil 4 for that ... Explain and if your explanation is good enough i might go into a debate. If not , well as i said , no time to waste with fans that wont listen to anyone else.

RE 4 it was the start of downfall for RE franchise , you like it or not , top 100 or not , high score or not . Every single RE game after that based on that ridiculously formula of action/horror and failed , whys that ? Did that happen with Uncharted ? Nope ! Why it didnt , its the utter bad gameplay game it always was , right ? Well not so bad as you think it is.

Also you need to understand the difference of SERIES and a SINGLE game. Uncharted formula remained the same and delivers every time more or less... RE4 formula remained the same and look where RE series ended up ... A REMASTER of REMASTER having way better acceptance than RE6 to RE fans across all platforms... Isnt this a joke ?

What does that mean ? That RE4 wasnt the big time changer , the big thing that all you fanboys thought. Amazing level design , graphics and all ... Yes, and thats why it won plenty of awards .. Really bad gameplay as shooter , horrific AI , ridiculous slow pace , survival elements no existant , voice acting a big joke plus story the cheesiest crap ever ( and here is the inconsistensy I was talking about for the guy that voted a 10 ) and so many other flaws i can talk forever.

Majority of oldschool RE fans , like i am , that disliked the game for too many reasons to write down , nailed it when in capcom-unity thousands of thousands of posts were calling for a change ... and the result was FANS OF RE4 themselfs dissing RE5 when in reality was one of the same formula game with different twists.

So please man , dont start this RE4 again with me ... Beleive what you want i got my own opinion on this as a hardcore RE fan since day 1 of original game and owner for all RE games

So to recap

1) The first guy was wondering where are all the awards people talking about and i posted them for him

2) The second guy dissing voice acting already ( without even heard the new one ) and claims for him voice acting and story is all that matters because everything else is shit ... then voting 10 RE4.

I dont get where my inconsistency is but whatever ... Since he is a RE4 fan is easy for you to choose side easier .

All in all my opinion wont change.

Uncharted 4 will be another cinematic wonder , i dont care if voice acting will slightly change , i have faith in ND will deliver like they always do and thats it. I love "wow" factors like UC4 , as i said , even if its just good/decent in everything rather than do 1 thing super good and thats it.

For starters shooting something in RE4 actually feels enjoyable, and there is more to RE4's combat than Uncharted. Be it using the knife and proper positioning, being the part that enemies actually sell hits to other parts of their body, using roundhouse kicks and suplexes appropriately, the actual variation in guns n grenades, plus the part where the guns upgrade. It gets knocked for silly shit like "but you can't move and shoot", either way the game is built around the idea that you are limited to just standing still and shooting, and the game has built a variety of combat scenarios around it. More so than Uncharted, less scripted for it usually.

RE4's combat strengths have always had a great argument from things like how well received the mercenaries modes have been in 4 and 5, and more recently the raid modes in the revelations games.

Dumb AI sure, but there game is more gang tactics, where as Uncharted's combat is more static in comparison. And it's AI being that vanilla has less of a defense.

"no time to waste with fans that won't listen to anyone else"

You're no better about this, less articulate than I am about it, and live in this weird world where a game that as a simplified TPS as you can get, in a style of game that used to have more mechanics is somehow devoid of any criticism for its gameplay. When about the only thing it actually does better than RE4 in terms of shooting things, is that you can move and shoot at the same time. That's a superficial advantage when compared to proper game feel or any layers to its systems.

Second as someone that digs the shit out of RE4, I can safely argue a variety of reasons why RE5 and RE6 completely miss the point of all the things RE4 got right. RE6 is a straight up train wreck and the only similarities it has with RE4 is that they are part of the same franchise, but mechanics, tone, pace, and all that jazz not even similar. 5 was the cliff notes version with forced coop, less variety, with shittier pacing. The downfall of the RE franchise and Capcom in general, was when Capcom was perfectly content with Shinji Mikami, and a host of Capcom's talent like Clover (Platinum today) leaving.

I have no disagreement with anyone saying RE4 isn't a survival horror game, it isn't, it's an action. It's exactly the action game I think is fantastic, survival horror wise, I'd rather play Silent Hill.

I'm calling you a fanboy because of the fact that you engage in such silly tactics as telling someone to "get the **** out" for their opinion. I'm calling you a fanboy because you claim consoles and publishers have friends and foes. A fanboy does that.

"...and even worse ... TP a 10 ... then people like you calling people ( fanboys,cows,idiots whatever it is ) when they defending one of the most multi-awarded franchises because of ... voice acting ?"

You do realize that Zelda is probably of the if not THE most respected, awarded and heralded franchises of all time right?

You ask why I play the game? Because I'm NOT a fanboy. And I give the experience a chance, just like I give all games a chance. Do I get to play everything? No, and in fact that is precisely the reason why I am on the GS forums to begin with. I hold the advice of people on these forums in a much higher regard than that of reviewers who can often times be swayed to swing a review one way or the other. Many people on these forums claim Uncharted is an amazing franchise. So I take the dive and play the game. Had it not been for people on this forums I would have missed out on Ori and the Blind Forest, just to give you an example.

Why pay the money for the game and not simply watch it on youtube? Because I'm a teacher in NYC who makes a 6-figure salary and gaming is the way that I de-stress, so $60 is nothing to me. Why not give Naughty Dog a chance? Why would I intentionally relegate myself to a laptop screen on youtube, when I can, you know, actively avoid being a fanboy by giving the game an opportunity and playing it on my 65in 4K tv?

Again, I am a fanboy for my opinion? I think RE4 is a 10. I think TP is a 10, moreso when I originally reviewed it than now, but still a magnificent game. You can't state that Uncharted is highly awarded and decorated, yet say that I'm a fanboy for giving another highly awarded and decorated game a 10. You just wind up sounding like a Sony dick rider.

Lol... you guys are worried about UC4 going down the path of uc3 because they fired/parted ways with the person behind the story for UC3, & brought in someone that's apparently taking it in the opposite direction of uc3. ;3

What? I make a living doing commercials here in NY as a voice actor :/

Yes, but in this case, obviously the actor involved had the luxury to do so.

@-God-:

Sound like someone's ODed on salt. How is that possible in a thread like this?

More like they got paid under their original contract then walked away early because they could and pocket the cash without doing anything, at least that's what it sounds like to me.

This happened near the beginning of development I think.

I told you further discussion will be a nonsense , didnt i ? Well read again what your reply was , i dont have anything more to say really.

RE4 = 10 / uncharted = utterly shit gameplay wise , you like only story/voice acting but you go out there and buying it. The shit talk continues ... You going out there and buying a game you think as UTTERLY SHIT aside its cutscenes in short just because you make 6-figure salary... And that is the only reason !! Ok if you say so.

Anyways , your opinion ...

My opinion is , UC games are really unique in this wow factor they offering and voice acting wont be a problem like many of you guys around think it will. ND always delivering great voice acting and is something i dont think , personally , affect my fun with 4 by any means. Thats all i have to say. We agree to disagree but at least lets keep it legit.

I stopped right there ...

We had our debates about RE4 before , it leads nowhere. Why i stopped at first line ... Because you bypassing one of the worse shooting gameplay mechanics EVER made in a video game , that of aiming without be able to move , and you calling it enjoyable. One of the biggest , most dissapointing , almost frustrating , fundamental flaws when it comes to shooters , at least this kind of shooters ( there are different kind shooters like House of the dead which you cant move for example ).

You dont want to see the RE4s flaws because you really liked it and you admiring it and beleive me i can understand why , so theres no use for us to debate more. You got your opinion , i got mine. Lets leave it as it is because it leads nowhere really. Your point of view is respectful ( not like the others around ) because you backing up your logic and is something rare around here ( and every other big board ) but for RE4 at least , we have entirely different point of view which leading nowhere really.

LOL @ lems hoping this spells some kind of looming disaster for UC4.

This isn't Floplo being made by 343i lems. This is Naughty Gods we're talking about, arguably the best devs in the industry. Creators of the legendary UC2 and GOAT TLOU. Who cares what some voice actor thinks about UC4 even if he is good. At the end of the day voice actors lend their talent but they have no real effect on the direction of a game. It's the pure talent of the devs of a game that determine if a game is good and ND has plenty of that. UC4 has GOTY 2016 on lock.

lol movie games

@yourdeadgrandpa: Dat butthurt damage control. Someone can't deal with facts without getting butthurt.

Also voice actors are overrated.

Looks at games like the first two silent hill games, the voice acting was dire, but the games were still the best horror/adventure games made to date. Then look at destiny with the infamous famous voice actor.

Game devs are probably better of dragging people off the street and getting them to play a character with their natural voice and paying them, at least their wont whine about it and have inflated egos because they can play act.

@yourdeadgrandpa: I dont disagree with your logic but that dude was wondering about where were all those awards ND fans claiming about other than PS fanbased sites and magazines ... well i helped him out.