Was Gears of War the most innovative shooter this gen?

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Battlefield 2 had an unlocking xp system first. Man, you consolites really don't know what you're talking about. Also, BF2 had a modern setting first.DragonfireXZ95

At the same time one cant deny that CoD popularized both.

BF2 was on consoles with both with the modern combat spinoff and if your old enough to remember those days then you know it had a fairly good following on the original xbox, despite the PC version being a lot better it was still fun.But in all fairness CoD did really popularise it.

nope, i suggest you go back to school and re-do some close reading exercies.

You basically wrote CoD right off and then say consolites know nothing, sure BF2 did it first which was the innovation but you always have this foul attitude of writing off games to suit your own PC-centric agenda, and in this case CoD, which i said popularized it not innovate and it seems you failed to read my 2nd paragraph aswell.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

How? It was the same thing as the old CoDs were, just put into modern setting.

the_bi99man

Are you actually saying that Modern Warfare was innovative because of iron sights and sprinting? Please tell me this was sarcasm. hahahahahahahahahaha.

Holy crap.... hahaha.

the first GeoW game shaped the 3rd person shooter genre as we know it today all by itself. Uncharted franchise wouldn't have been the same without GeoW and because of that it has my gratitude. Games like Vanquish would exist without GeoW either....

Gue1

There were few games like Gears of War 1 when it was originally came out but the game that had the most impact on the industry even if it wasn't the most innovative was Call of Duty 4. The game reignited interest in the modern setting, popularized creating personal classes, an online XP system, perks, and much more. I don't care for COD anymore but COD4 was incredible when it came out and now everyone is trying to top that.

Fairmonkey

Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :Ptagyhag

I doubt many played Kill.Switch either. It might have pioneered the cover system but it failed to deliver. Probably not even the publisher cared for the game since it didn't get a sequel.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :Pnameless12345

I doubt many played Kill.Switch either. It might have pioneered the cover system but it failed to deliver. Probably not even the publisher cared for the game since it didn't get a sequel.

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :PHeirren

I doubt many played Kill.Switch either. It might have pioneered the cover system but it failed to deliver. Probably not even the publisher cared for the game since it didn't get a sequel.

Well, the game was still a last-gen one and I specifically mentioned "this gen", hence Kill.Switch technically doesn't count.

I think that title belongs to the Stalker series. :)

IIRC the lead designer of killswitch went over to epic to help on gears.

gears of war blows the first level u see all these boulders moutains and you cant even climb them new video games suck older ones were better anywhere u can see u could go in old ones.beavischokingch

welcome back hewee or whatever your name was you are always so easy to recognize.

Well, the game was still a last-gen one and I specifically mentioned "this gen", hence Kill.Switch technically doesn't count.nameless12345

Yes.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Well, the game was still a last-gen one and I specifically mentioned "this gen", hence Kill.Switch technically doesn't count.tormentos

The first 3D platformer, Alpha Waves, was released 6 years prior to Mario 64. And in spite of pioneering the 3D platformer genre, I fail to see how it magically makes SM64 less important and yes, innovative, for the 3D platformer/adventure subgenre.

Just because a game that pioneered something predates an important and redefining game that doesn't invalidate it's significance.

There were GTA-like games before GTA too but you don't see people saying "zomg, there were similar games with clunky mechanics and gameplay years ago, GTA was so derivative and unoriginal".

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

no one wants to admit it but call of duty was

Chris_Williams

How? It was the same thing as the old CoDs were, just put into modern setting.

Yeah while Gears of War was able to be successful by combining things like shoulder aim and cover and blindfire and make it standard for every other game (from Uncharted to Max Payne to GTA), CoD totally dominated the world and now EVERY game wants to be CoD. EVERY game adds perks, leveling, gun leveling, scripted moments, iron sights, faux realism, etc. Its stuff that was done before, but CoD combined them and now the online shooter has changed because of it, not just modern military FPS games, but games like Killzone and Halo are taking cues from the series.

The first 3D platformer, Alpha Waves, was released 6 years prior to Mario 64. And in spite of pioneering the 3D platformer genre, I fail to see how it magically makes SM64 less important and yes, innovative, for the 3D platformer/adventure subgenre.Just because a game that pioneered something predates an important and redefining game that doesn't invalidate it's significance.There were GTA-like games before GTA too but you don't see people saying "zomg, there were similar games with clunky mechanics and gameplay years ago, GTA was so derivative and unoriginal".nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]The first 3D platformer, Alpha Waves, was released 6 years prior to Mario 64. And in spite of pioneering the 3D platformer genre, I fail to see how it magically makes SM64 less important and yes, innovative, for the 3D platformer/adventure subgenre.Just because a game that pioneered something predates an important and redefining game that doesn't invalidate it's significance.There were GTA-like games before GTA too but you don't see people saying "zomg, there were similar games with clunky mechanics and gameplay years ago, GTA was so derivative and unoriginal".tormentos

Jumping Flash had a interesting concept but didn't redefine anything. Mario 64 did.

3D games existed in the early 80s so yea, it was far from the first 3D game.

What 3D fighter predates Virtua Fighter?

Body Harvest on the N64 predates GTA 3 and there were attempts to make a life-like city action game before GTA.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]The first 3D platformer, Alpha Waves, was released 6 years prior to Mario 64. And in spite of pioneering the 3D platformer genre, I fail to see how it magically makes SM64 less important and yes, innovative, for the 3D platformer/adventure subgenre.Just because a game that pioneered something predates an important and redefining game that doesn't invalidate it's significance.There were GTA-like games before GTA too but you don't see people saying "zomg, there were similar games with clunky mechanics and gameplay years ago, GTA was so derivative and unoriginal".tormentos

Yeah while Gears of War was able to be successful by combining things like shoulder aim and cover and blindfire and make it standard for every other game (from Uncharted to Max Payne to GTA), CoD totally dominated the world and now EVERY game wants to be CoD. EVERY game adds perks, leveling, gun leveling, scripted moments, iron sights, faux realism, etc. Its stuff that was done before, but CoD combined them and now the online shooter has changed because of it, not just modern military FPS games, but games like Killzone and Halo are taking cues from the series.SPYDER0416

Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :Ptagyhag

TC is mistaking popularity and impact with innovation.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :PBazooka_4ME

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :Ptormentos

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Everyone is always talking about Kill.Switch, did no one play Winback? :PBazooka_4ME

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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Holy crap, how did I forget about Portal when posting earlier in this thread? Yes. Portal. It's so innovative I forgot it's a shooter.

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

At the same time one cant deny that CoD popularized both.

BF2 was on consoles with both with the modern combat spinoff and if your old enough to remember those days then you know it had a fairly good following on the original xbox, despite the PC version being a lot better it was still fun.But in all fairness CoD did really popularise it.

razgriz_101

nope, i suggest you go back to school and re-do some close reading exercies.

You basically wrote CoD right off and then say consolites know nothing, sure BF2 did it first which was the innovation but you always have this foul attitude of writing off games to suit your own PC-centric agenda, and in this case CoD, which i said popularized it not innovate and it seems you failed to read my 2nd paragraph aswell.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] So you're saying popularity is innovative?DragonfireXZ95

nope, i suggest you go back to school and re-do some close reading exercies.

You basically wrote CoD right off and then say consolites know nothing, sure BF2 did it first which was the innovation but you always have this foul attitude of writing off games to suit your own PC-centric agenda, and in this case CoD, which i said popularized it not innovate and it seems you failed to read my 2nd paragraph aswell.

I suggest you actually read what i wrote in the first place and actually use your brain capacity for something other than gaming and use the correct context for what i said instead bud :)

Gears of War? "Innovative"?

[QUOTE="Heirren"] Mario incorporated a new way of controlling in 3d. That is why it is considered a milestone.tormentos

Yeah, that loose and useless Atari 5200 analog stick sure did revolutionize gaming...

TC is mistaking popularity and impact with innovation.

glez13

Innovation that doesn't have any impact or significance is not worth talking about.

[QUOTE="Heirren"] Incorporating analog control into a fully 3d platformer. tormentos

You're grasping for staws. N64 had the first trully useful analog stick. Period.