Was Home a success or flop?

it's still a work in progress, but I don't think they'll overcome the fundamental flaws in Home. There are more spaces out there, but they still haven't answered the questions of "What do you do here?". Some spaces offer limited diversions, but those serve to entertain for only a short period of time.

Don't care at all. One of the best things about home is that you have to choose to install it for it to even have any presence on your system.

Sony did us a huge favour by not integrating it into thr system.

I don't know how anyone could consider Home a success.

sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Right. Whate else do you call it when its never done? Whaat else do you call it when its always adding more content and more spaces? At what point do you say its "done.?" What a joke.PoppaGamer

MS is constantly adding features to XBL and they don't call it a beta.

You missed our point (not that it's surprising).

By calling Home a "beta", it gives Sony & you cows the perfect excuse whenver someone calls Home a flop. Cows (like you) & Sony just respond with "Home is not a flop, it's still in BETA. Therefore, you can't judge it".

I'd call it a cluster**** of epic proportions, but I don't think that's a strong enough term.

PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

MS is constantly adding features to XBL and they don't call it a beta.

You missed our point (not that it's surprising).

By calling Home a "beta", it gives Sony & you cows the perfect excuse whenver someone calls Home a flop. Cows (like you) & Sony just respond with "Home is not a flop, it's still in BETA. Therefore, you can't judge it".

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

Teufelhuhn

Yes I believe it does put your credibility under suspicion.

Well i never expected much from it anyway. As usual, its us Europeans who get the short end of the stick when it comes to content. I wont be wasting my time with it.-DrRobotnik-

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

PoppaGamer

They had this Horrorbowl event earlier this week, you had to win the free clothing from the Siren game space, wear it and meet at the bowling alley, but when you go to the Siren Ward of Despair mini game room, there's like 25 people standing in line trying to play it. There was only one fricking window to enter the mini game. That line was worse than Disney World on a nice summer day, and it's even worse when people leave their bubble machine out in front of the mini game because you couldn't even select it. That event was "Horror-bowl".

You want to be optimistic and believe that Home will get better and have a real use, but most and myself just don't see it. Home is a joke and not even close to what it was hyped up to be. I know Home is free and I didn't spend a nickel on any items in it, but for some reason I feel that I just want my money back. They should pay you for even being in there.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

The_Brodeo

I never thought it would be good. After using it I feel the same. I think I've used it maybe two times since I got my PS3 and I don't think there will be a 3rd. Just a bunch of dudes standing around. It's like a MMORPG with out the RP or G.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] But we don't ignore the new XML features do we? We don't say, "well they already said it was a final release, so the new stuff doesn't count." No. We don't do that. So, what does it matter what its called? The fact remains its an ever changing service. And we aren't talking about changes every 6 months or something. Nor are we talking about a few updates here and there and then done. Its an ever-growing service, that changes monthly and sometimes even weekly. All that Sony is doing with the "beta" tag is telling people that there is still a lot more to come. Nothing more. And I don';t see how that's false.PoppaGamer

You missed our point (not that it's surprising).

By calling Home a "beta", it gives Sony & you cows the perfect excuse whenver someone calls Home a flop. Cows (like you) & Sony just respond with "Home is not a flop, it's still in BETA. Therefore, you can't judge it".

:lol: Why yes, you are quite the saint yourself, PG. So much so that you can take a holier-than-thou attitude. You are just upset that I was correct in the other thread.

Oh and if you notice, you are the one who takes issue with my posts and responds to them. This and the Sony-loss thread a perfect examples of this.

Second, find ANYWHERE in my posting history where I used "its a beta" as an excuse. I don't even think it needs to be excused!!!!! Were they slow to get Home going? Yes. Super. Glad we got that year old news out of the way. But its a growing service that has come along way. And its only going to grow more. Its free, and you choose whether to even use it. So, sorry, I don't agree with a lot of the nit-picking BS people bring up here. That isn't saying people can't dislike it. I don't not try and tell people what to like. But I will argue against someone complaining about the price of the virtual clothing. PoppaGamer

eh....Besides the fact I was speaking in more of a general sense when I talked about you cows defending Home, I don't care enough to look through your posting history to find you defending HOme with it's "beta" label. All the cows in this thread using the "beta" excuse is all the evidence I need.

But it's nice to see you no longer take the hardline cow defense of Home. :)

Yep, you know me so well, Los. I guess you must not pay attention to what flows out of your own keyboard. The pot calling the kettle black.PoppaGamer

Yup, I've seen you post enough to know your tendencies, kinda like how BHB called you out in the other thread for wanting the Sony-loss-news to be locked. Your action surprised no one. :)

And of course I pay attention to what I type. If there weren't so many cows here, then I wouldn't play devil's advocate for the X360. :)

I downloaded it... made my character... moved my furniture around a little bit... then never played it again... it was very bad...

For the people who don't like it (most people) it is a failure but there are many people who really like home and since a lot of the asses that use to fool around in home have now gotten bored (who essentially ruined home for many people) Home is a much better place for the people who like it. I've been in the home REAL beta (before it was publicly released) and I actually would call it a failure because it was suppose to bring people together to play games, it doesn't really do that. munu9

If anyone is interested in a free apartment, go to that realstate store in the Home mall, and download it, its free for only a week. Its called Chambers of Fate apartment or something like that. I downloaded it, walked around in it for like 5 minutes, and exited.

:lol: Why yes, you are quite the saint yourself, PG. So much so that you can take a holier-than-thou attitude. You are just upset that I was correct in the other thread.

Oh and if you notice, you are the one who takes issue with my posts and responds to them. This and the Sony-loss thread a perfect examples of this.

LosDaddie

Yes, I simply follow you around and only reply to you. You are the most important thing in my life. Not sure how I'd make it day-to-day without you. believe it or not, I had no idea you were the one I was replying to in this thread until my reply post posted on the page.

Get over yourself.

eh....Besides the fact I was speaking in more of a general sense when I talked about you cows defending Home, I don't care enough to look through your posting history to find you defending HOme with it's "beta" label. All the cows in this thread using the "beta" excuse is all the evidence I need.

But it's nice to see you no longer take the hardline cow defense of Home. :)

LosDaddie

Yeah, real general. Using phrases like "you cows" and "cows (like you)" didn't lump me in with other people's statements. Statements you were claiming I made that I didn't.

Yup, I've seen you post enough to know your tendencies, kinda like how BHB called you out in the other thread for wanting the Sony-loss-news to be locked. Your action surprised no one. :)

And of course I pay attention to what I type. If there weren't so many cows here, then I wouldn't play devil's advocate for the X360. :)

LosDaddie

I never asked for that thread to be locked. Again, you are generalizing, lumping me in with others. I said the thread was pointless. And as i explined there, in the thread today, and again now, it was pointless because of the anti-Sony fanboys making it into something it wasn't and because he didn't know the true figures, and because we STILL don't know what affect it will have. In the original thread we were talking about 1.5 billiuon in losses not knowing what part of Sony caused what. Now, today, in the proper thread we are talking about half that amount. And we now know a lot of it has to do with the PS2 phasing out.

Yeah, i was totally wrong. That first thread had way more relaity in it. :roll:

And who are you fooling with this "devil's advocate" crap? You are a 360 fanboy. "But there are so many cows here 360 needs defending." :lol:

We're done. You don't want to pay attention to what i acutally say. You just want to make it easier on your brain by lumping people together into one, false, identity to bash. And its pointless aruing with someone who has that kind of motivation.

Flop. As a gamer I have no desire to start up Home even once, total waste of time.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I believe it to be a tremendous success. I also feel that the Atari Jaguar was a huge success. Does that invalidate my opinion?

The_Brodeo

We're done. You don't want to pay attention to what i acutally say.

PoppaGamer

YOu proved the opposite to be true in the other thread (and were called out on such by other posters). That's why you tried to divert the conversation. :)

But yes, please let's be done. I'm looking forward to the NPD report where I'm sure you won't be defending Sony :lol:

Every time I scroll the forums and see this thread, I am left wondering "How can something free be a flop?". So, how can something free be a flop?

Couldnt think of a bigger failure....Y2K maybe.

It lacks all the stuff that was suppose to make it sim like forums

Every time I scroll the forums and see this thread, I am left wondering "How can something free be a flop?". So, how can something free be a flop?

TheGreatOutdoor

Couldnt think of a bigger failure....Y2K maybe.

TheNextOrder

speaking of y2k I remember someone asking my dad if his toaster was y2k compatible :lol:

[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]

Every time I scroll the forums and see this thread, I am left wondering "How can something free be a flop?". So, how can something free be a flop?

DJ_Lae

Investment HOW JUST HOW did it tke them so long to give us that. FAIL just FAIL

I always knew it was going to be a pile of rubbish from the day it was announced. Still after all the delays and things i logged in to see what took them so long. Once i realized every single section needed it's own install i quickly left. WOW, years old can create a massive open world without barly any loading times.

Yet sony can't even create a few rooms without installs. XD

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]

Couldnt think of a bigger failure....Y2K maybe.

speaking of y2k I remember someone asking my dad if his toaster was y2k compatible :lol:

But we don't ignore the new XML features do we? We don't say, "well they already said it was a final release, so the new stuff doesn't count." No. We don't do that. So, what does it matter what its called? The fact remains its an ever changing service. And we aren't talking about changes every 6 months or something. Nor are we talking about a few updates here and there and then done. Its an ever-growing service, that changes monthly and sometimes even weekly. All that Sony is doing with the "beta" tag is telling people that there is still a lot more to come. Nothing more. And I don';t see how that's false.PoppaGamer

You've missed the point. The problem isn't that Home is constantly changing or that they designate that it's constantly being improved, it's that Sony uses the term "beta" as a crutch to say, "you can't judge it yet, because it's a work in progress". From the interview I linked to earlier:

"That's fair enough, but for us it's really, really important to drive that message home, even in the name of the product: Home, Open Beta. Come in, check it out, check out what we're offering, but come back! It will be different when you come back...We haven't made any announcements about when we'll be moving past them or if we hit a major milestone or anything like that."

Furthermore, the lack of a timeline to get it out of beta is even worse. It signifies that Sony has no concrete plans for Home moving foreward and/or they have no vision for what Home is/should be. Without that vision and ability to say "this is the core of the Home experience, this is what Home is about" and making it work (which would signify the end of the beta phase), it is impossible for Home to ever reach it's potential and become a quality service.As the saying goes, "begin with the end in mind."

You're going to be hard pressed to find a Sony fan who will even say it's a success, and the ones that do tend to be among the more...let's just say 'flamboyant'posters here. I think that fact speaks for itself.

I still think "flop" is too harsh. How about we just say it was "really really really really really really really unsuccessful"?

I still think "flop" is too harsh. How about we just say it was "really really really really really really really unsuccessful"?

Teufelhuhn

I still think "flop" is too harsh. How about we just say it was "really really really really really really really unsuccessful"?

Teufelhuhn

It'd very interesting to see how much Sony spent on R&D and how much revenue Home has generated up to this point.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I still think "flop" is too harsh. How about we just say it was "really really really really really really really unsuccessful"?

LosDaddie

It'd very interesting to see how much Sony spent on R&D and how much revenue Home has generated up to this point.

To Sony it's a success, they're making money of downloads for houses, wares and other stuff with real money. For me? It's a failure. I don't like the way they have taken HOME, I wanted a place to show trophies, a place to launch and play games with others, but microtransactions up the rear end will prevent me from doing that, as I have no interest in paying for virtual ware. yoshi_64

Every time I scroll the forums and see this thread, I am left wondering "How can something free be a flop?". So, how can something free be a flop?

TheGreatOutdoor

which means i would rather have nothing, than have home.

[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]

Every time I scroll the forums and see this thread, I am left wondering "How can something free be a flop?". So, how can something free be a flop?

fadersdream

which means i would rather have nothing, than have home.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I still think "flop" is too harsh. How about we just say it was "really really really really really really really unsuccessful"?

Verge_6

It'd very interesting to see how much Sony spent on R&D and how much revenue Home has generated up to this point.

I think the reason why it took so long to launch Home is because Sony realized it just doesn't work....and that it only appeals to a very limited crowd, not the general PS fanbase. That's part of the reason why I believe Home will be in eternal "beta", giving Sony and cows the perfect defense for it.

But yeah, I think once Sony realized the PS3 was hemorrhaging money and losing tons of marketshare the PS2 held, HOme was put down on the priority list in favor of getting out games.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]But we don't ignore the new XML features do we? We don't say, "well they already said it was a final release, so the new stuff doesn't count." No. We don't do that. So, what does it matter what its called? The fact remains its an ever changing service. And we aren't talking about changes every 6 months or something. Nor are we talking about a few updates here and there and then done. Its an ever-growing service, that changes monthly and sometimes even weekly. All that Sony is doing with the "beta" tag is telling people that there is still a lot more to come. Nothing more. And I don';t see how that's false.PBSnipes

You've missed the point. The problem isn't that Home is constantly changing or that they designate that it's constantly being improved, it's that Sony uses the term "beta" as a crutch to say, "you can't judge it yet, because it's a work in progress". From the interview I linked to earlier:

"That's fair enough, but for us it's really, really important to drive that message home, even in the name of the product: Home, Open Beta. Come in, check it out, check out what we're offering, but come back! It will be different when you come back...We haven't made any announcements about when we'll be moving past them or if we hit a major milestone or anything like that."

Furthermore, the lack of a timeline to get it out of beta is even worse. It signifies that Sony has no concrete plans for Home moving foreward and/or they have no vision for what Home is/should be. Without that vision and ability to say "this is the core of the Home experience, this is what Home is about" and making it work (which would signify the end of the beta phase), it is impossible for Home to ever reach it's potential and become a quality service.As the saying goes, "begin with the end in mind."

Very well said :) The lack of a timeline does make things looks worse.