Washington Post - Is Sony's PS3 Really a Sinking Ship?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]And your opinion would be wrong and you should keep it to yourself.Truth-slayer

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Hahahaha. Your opinion of my opinion is incorrect. What "must-own" title do you think exists?[.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]Some opinions are better than others...especially when one of the opinions is being stated for the sole purpose of annoying other people and the person doesnt really believe it. Jandurin

i dont think he called you a liar, probably he got annoyed by your previous posts... but you like everyone else have the right to express your opinions... Personally i got a PS3 and have round 35 games... most of them are exclusives and for me nearly all of them are must-own titles...

For me MGSIV, Resistance 1 & 2, R&C, Uncharted, Warhawk, LBP, Valkyria Chronicles, SOCOM, Wipeout HD, Heavenly Sword etc etc are must have titles...you probably have different tastes in gaming, thats all..

if PS3 is being considered a sinking ship cause its loosing money to Sony then from a business point of view i can agree on that... however if people (haters) consider the PS3 a flop or sinking ship because its selling less / has the smallest install base compared to its competition than i think its wrong..

I personally think that PS3 might very well end up having a 35+ million install base by the time next gen kicks off, so i dont think that can be considered a flop in terms of success.. Obviously if you compare that to what previous SONY consoles did you can say it did not meet the expectations... but surely not a flop..

Cause by that logic only a few consoles cannot be considered flops since if we take that consoles should sell over 40/50 million in order to be considered a success only the NES, SNES, PS1 & PS2 make it in this list.... what should the other many consoles be considered ??????

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]Some opinions are better than others...especially when one of the opinions is being stated for the sole purpose of annoying other people and the person doesnt really believe it. Jandurin

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i agree with him, so should i keep my opinion to myself. and how can he be wrong, saying the ps3 DOES have must have titles is also just an opinion and opinions don't equal facts.blue_hazy_basic

Ok so you don't think there are "must have" titles.
I think there are, so does he, so does the gaming media. You don't though.


Where do we go from here?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] Are you calling me a liar? Saying I fabricated an OPINION?The_Game21x

Your the one expressing the minority opinion. What do you think the CNN article meant by must have?Truth-slayer

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]Some opinions are better than others...especially when one of the opinions is being stated for the sole purpose of annoying other people and the person doesnt really believe it. RuinedMachine

Ok so you don't think there are "must have" titles.
I think there are, so does he, so does the gaming media. You don't though.


Where do we go from here?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]And your opinion would be wrong and you should keep it to yourself.Truth-slayer

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

if PS3 is being considered a sinking ship cause its loosing money to Sony then from a business point of view i can agree on that... however if people (haters) consider the PS3 a flop or sinking ship because its selling less / has the smallest install base compared to its competition than i think its wrong..

I personally think that PS3 might very well end up having a 35+ million install base by the time next gen kicks off, so i dont think that can be considered a flop in terms of success.. Obviously if you compare that to what previous SONY consoles did you can say it did not meet the expectations... but surely not a flop..

Cause by that logic only a few consoles cannot be considered flops since if we take that consoles should sell over 40/50 million in order to be considered a success only the NES, SNES, PS1 & PS2 make it in this list.... what should the other many consoles be considered ??????

blue_hazy_basic

i know infact a point i made was that PS3 surely didnt meet expectations in terms of sales... its higher price is what kept PS3 from selling more so far.... problem is with sony loosing money i dont think we'll see a price-cut soon... but considering PS3 now has a decent games library + great upcoming exclusives, free online and its a blu-ray player a price-cut would definately push sales..

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Why so? I prersonally don't think the PS3 has any exclusives I "must" own (I HATED MGS2 and see no reason to own MGS4 which even cows on here say is made for fans) with the exception of LBP but thats not enough for me to buy a PS3.blue_hazy_basic

Ok so you don't think there are "must have" titles.
I think there are, so does he, so does the gaming media. You don't though.


Where do we go from here?

i can't believe the guy in the article listed 'wipeout' as a must have, lol

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

Ok so you don't think there are "must have" titles.
I think there are, so does he, so does the gaming media. You don't though.


Where do we go from here?

3picuri3

i can't believe the guy in the article listed 'wipeout' as a must have, lol

Nice opinion there.

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i agree with him, so should i keep my opinion to myself. and how can he be wrong, saying the ps3 DOES have must have titles is also just an opinion and opinions don't equal facts.blue_hazy_basic

There were a few thinks that bothered me about this article. It stated that the PS3 has been playing catchup to the 360 in '08 as if that was a positive thing. The difference in the ammount of "holiday shopping days" in November from 07 to 08 may have impacted the ammount of sales for the PS3, but it also would have impacted the ammount of sales for the other 2 as well, so while the sales of PS3s may not have seen as big of a loss, the Wii and 360 sales would have seen a bigger increase, so the overal gain/loss in the market would be about the same.

The Sony brand has nothing to do with the success or failure of the PS3 other than that Sony can use income from the PSP and PS2 to support the PS3.

But for many people that is more than enough of a reason, which was exactly what the CNN article was claiming was not the case. Just because I have absolutely no desire to buy Halo 3 doesn't mean that the title is not considered a must have game on the 360. If even a small amount of people cough up $400 just to play MGS4, that automatically makes it a must have title when speaking about the general audience(which is to whom the CNN article was directed to), even if the you personally would not buy a PS3 for it.Truth-slayer

By saying that, you've just destroyed your own argument. It is entirely contradictory ro assume that Halo 3 is a must own title and have no interest in it yourself. The term, "must have title" is entirely subjective and is dependant on a person's tastes. If a group of people are willing to pay $400 just to play MGS 4 that makes MGS 4 a must have title for that group of people alone.

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]But for many people that is more than enough of a reason, which was exactly what the CNN article was claiming was not the case. Just because I have absolutely no desire to buy Halo 3 doesn't mean that the title is not considered a must have game on the 360. If even a small amount of people cough up $400 just to play MGS4, that automatically makes it a must have title when speaking about the general audience(which is to whom the CNN article was directed to), even if the you personally would not buy a PS3 for it.The_Game21x

By saying that, you've just destroyed your own argument. It is entirely contradictory ro assume that Halo 3 is a must own title and have no interest in it yourself. The term, "must have title" is entirely subjective and is dependant on a person's tastes. If a group of people are willing to pay $400 just to play MGS 4 that makes MGS 4 a must have title for that group of people alone.

there are no 'must-have' titles for the PS3 this holiday season when looking at the sales.

it's the difference between subjective opinion on what is 'must-have' and objective analysis of 'must-have' titles based on sales vs. consoles in the marketplace.

I realize the PS3 wasn't selling well in 2007, so that figure's less impressive than it sounds, but growth is growth, any way you slice it. Faulttt

why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

[QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?3picuri3

I think it's more the opposite. If you're talking finances, why wouldn't you consider Sony's other selling systems? It's still money to Sony. Obviously they'd prefer selling more PS3s but I'm certain PS2 and PSP are more than welcome over at the Sony camp.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?RuinedMachine

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?RuinedMachine

I think it's more the opposite. If you're talking finances, why wouldn't you consider Sony's other selling systems? It's still money to Sony. Obviously they'd prefer selling more PS3s but I'm certain PS2 and PSP are more than welcome over at the Sony camp.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?RuinedMachine

but the thing is CNN's article (which i also don't agree by the way) was talking only about the PS3, so now the washington post responds to that article by bringing new variables which were excluded right from the start. CNN was talking about the PS3 and just the PS3, there is no need to talk about the PSP and the PS2 everyone knows those consoles are doing great (specially the PS2). It was the the PS3 this whole thing was about

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

but the thing is CNN's article (which i also don't agree by the way) was talking only about the PS3, so now the washington post responds to that article by bringing new variables which were excluded right from the start. CNN was talking about the PS3 and just the PS3, there is no need to talk about the PSP and the PS2 everyone knows those consoles are doing great (specially the PS2). It was the the PS3 this whole thing was about

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

but the thing is CNN's article (which i also don't agree by the way) was talking only about the PS3, so now the washington post responds to that article by bringing new variables which were excluded right from the start. CNN was talking about the PS3 and just the PS3, there is no need to talk about the PSP and the PS2 everyone knows those consoles are doing great (specially the PS2). It was the the PS3 this whole thing was about

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I don't think are, at least in the articles.

They're just saying that when you combine all of Sony's gaming systems together, it doesn't look as bad a financial situation as CNN made it out to be.

I mean sure here in SW we would never do that because it would go against the whole 'my system is better than yours' point, but to the real world whether Sony sold a PSP, a PS2 or a PS3, money is money is money.3picuri3

but the thing is CNN's article (which i also don't agree by the way) was talking only about the PS3, so now the washington post responds to that article by bringing new variables which were excluded right from the start. CNN was talking about the PS3 and just the PS3, there is no need to talk about the PSP and the PS2 everyone knows those consoles are doing great (specially the PS2). It was the the PS3 this whole thing was about

this is off topic, but i noticed you have a working dreamcast, mine broke a couple months ago playing dragons blood, any suggestions on where to get a new one?delta3074

Reistance: Fall of Man is twice as good as the sequel? What? That makes no sense to me. I really don't see it.

Anyway, it's all analyst garbage. I never trust analyst's. It's basically overaction, taking a stab in the dark or pointing out the already obvious. This is a mix of all three. They are usually completely wrong, considering how many conflicting reports there are. I just don't see the point in them if they are just as likely to get it wrong as anyone else.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

but the thing is CNN's article (which i also don't agree by the way) was talking only about the PS3, so now the washington post responds to that article by bringing new variables which were excluded right from the start. CNN was talking about the PS3 and just the PS3, there is no need to talk about the PSP and the PS2 everyone knows those consoles are doing great (specially the PS2). It was the the PS3 this whole thing was about

RuinedMachine

[QUOTE="delta3074"]this is off topic, but i noticed you have a working dreamcast, mine broke a couple months ago playing dragons blood, any suggestions on where to get a new one?Jandurin

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] they were all about the PS3 which is what makes this PC World guy's article in the WaPo (scratch that, opinion piece) all the more laughable. it's obvious he's a fanboy and was offended - he goes on the same tangents people here do and he pulls things out of context to try to make things look 'not so bad'. made me laugh when i read it :)3picuri3

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

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[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] they were all about the PS3 which is what makes this PC World guy's article in the WaPo (scratch that, opinion piece) all the more laughable. it's obvious he's a fanboy and was offended - he goes on the same tangents people here do and he pulls things out of context to try to make things look 'not so bad'. made me laugh when i read it :)3picuri3

Using the excuse that the games library is inferior is flat out wrong anyway, nevermind suspicously sugestive of fanboyism. People don't go and search through every game on a consoles library before they buy a console, not outside of gaming forums such as this, so the majority of people wont really belive that argument. It's a poor point and it has no reason to be said, which is why it makes him look like a fanboy. Regardless of whether you claim to be a cow or lemming, it's still a weak point by anyones standards. The reason the PS3 wont sell is because of a higher RRP and a lack of enthusiasm for Blu-Ray. There are no other real reasons.

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Jandurin

They did with DVD, it's just achivements wern't unlocked back then. Though Blu-Ray is currently the only contender for an alternative format, unless you count DVD 9, which isn't really a replacement format.

why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?st1ka

A better question is why are they failing to mention that even with the PS2, PS3 and PSP sales combined the Wii is still obliterating them in sales?

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Why is it obvious that he's a fanboy?

If anything I think the CNN article with sentences like "Sony's (SNE) PS3 is dying on the shelves." and "Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy." is a lot more fanboyish than the other.RuinedMachine

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]why are they joining together the PS2's, PSP's and PS3's sales against the 360? so 3 consoles put together sold better then one? isn't this this to be expected?myke2010

A better question is why are they failing to mention that even with the PS2, PS3 and PSP sales combined the Wii is still obliterating them in sales?

much more newsworthy indeed, even if you add the 360 sales in to the mix i'm not sure if it still outsells the Wii

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KingTuttle

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, those things have truth to them. they don't take things out of context like the WaPo opinion piece. just because you disagree doesn't mean he's a fanboy. they aren't lying. the visuals aren't significantly different - we ALL know that in SW (except for some hardcore cows), and the library is mediocre, gamerankings doesn't lie. PS3 has some good games but the library pales in comparison to the breadth / scope of the 360s. so yeah - i think its incredibly obvious that the WaPo PC World article is written by a fanboy because he takes things out of context from the articles.. which fanboys love to do. and then he tries to make good for it by using arguments removed from context, again, a fanboy tactic. 3picuri3

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

Everybody knows the 360 has more games and more highly rated games than the PS3.

Doesn't mean the PS3's library is mediocre though.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

RuinedMachine

Everybody knows the 360 has more games and more highly rated games than the PS3.

Doesn't mean the PS3's library is mediocre though.

thats like saying the dreamcast libary was mediocre simply because it didnt have as many games compaired to the ps2, hell one can say that about the xbox and GC, which simply isnt true at all but my words mean nothing to fanboys i guess

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] no, those things have truth to them. they don't take things out of context like the WaPo opinion piece. just because you disagree doesn't mean he's a fanboy. they aren't lying. the visuals aren't significantly different - we ALL know that in SW (except for some hardcore cows), and the library is mediocre, gamerankings doesn't lie. PS3 has some good games but the library pales in comparison to the breadth / scope of the 360s. so yeah - i think its incredibly obvious that the WaPo PC World article is written by a fanboy because he takes things out of context from the articles.. which fanboys love to do. and then he tries to make good for it by using arguments removed from context, again, a fanboy tactic. 3picuri3

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

Oooooooooooooooh man, you did not want to say that:

http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/200801/N08.0111.1808.50734.htm

Its old, but things have only gotten better for the PS3 since then so I doubt there will be any usurping going on.

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]I have a 720p 32" and there is a MAJOR difference between DVD and BR.Jandurin

I have actually done the homework, something probably no one else here has done.

I have a 37 inch LG Scarlet 120mhz in my entertainment room and a PS3. I BOUGHT Dark Knight on Blu Ray and RENTED it on DVD at Blockbuster with my movie pass membership.

I ran the DVD in my PS3 and then the Blu Ray. The DVD looked great. The Blu Ray looks 3D and like you can reach through the TV. The difference was unbelievable.

THEN I put the blu ray in the PS3 and the dvd in my 360 (I have two HDMI hookups so I can move between the two platforms) and the difference was even more noticable.

Too many people who claim there is little difference have a poor TV, a crappy blu ray player, no HDMI or many other number of things. The simple fact is if you have the HDMI, a nice blu ray player and a good tv, the difference is not only noticeable but significant, even on a 37 inch.

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I think 3picuri3's agreement with CNN is prof in itself that they are wrong :lol:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]I have a 720p 32" and there is a MAJOR difference between DVD and BR.Xalaten

I have actually done the homework, something probably no one else here has done.

I have a 37 inch LG Scarlet 120mhz in my entertainment room and a PS3. I BOUGHT Dark Knight on Blu Ray and RENTED it on DVD at Blockbuster with my movie pass membership.

I ran the DVD in my PS3 and then the Blu Ray. The DVD looked great. The Blu Ray looks 3D and like you can reach through the TV. The difference was unbelievable.

THEN I put the blu ray in the PS3 and the dvd in my 360 (I have two HDMI hookups so I can move between the two platforms) and the difference was even more noticable.

Too many people who claim there is little difference have a poor TV, a crappy blu ray player, no HDMI or many other number of things. The simple fact is if you have the HDMI, a nice blu ray player and a good tv, the difference is not only noticeable but significant, even on a 37 inch.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

lol what a surprise. You disagree with the guy who wrote the article defending Sony and you call him a fanboy, yet you agree with the guy who wrote the CNN article talking sales and mediocre library.

The PS3 does not have a mediocre library. I just remember I was talking to 3picuri3.

RuinedMachine

Everybody knows the 360 has more games and more highly rated games than the PS3.

Doesn't mean the PS3's library is mediocre though.