Washington Post - Is Sony's PS3 Really a Sinking Ship?

CNN bases its gloomy diagnosis on Sony's sales plunge of 19 points, compared to sales in November 2007. That's a fair criticism, but it isolates a superficially negative statistic while ignoring the fact that this November only included two days of post-holiday sales (11/28 - 11/29) compared to last year's eight total (11/23 - 11/30). I'm speculating here, but if you could adjust for that difference, it's very likely PS3 sales would have increased, however slightly, year-over-year.

That whole argument is rediculous. The 360 sold nearly twice as many units in November that they did last year and the Wii sold just about twice as many as well. When you take that into account their critism is completely legitimate. If the number of days was the cause for the decrease in sales then it should have effected the 360 and Wii as well.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="delta3074"]the ps3 is not a sinking ship, but it will come last this gen unless SONY take a big hit to bring the price downnervmeister

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]lol people take this article serious? Please, when they have to use "Playstation brand, including PSP and PS2" to justify it outselling JUST the 360, how can anyone take it serious? Oh wait, cause cows do the same thing, no wonder they agree with someone using 3 systems against 1. Nice try but that article is a joke.hopesfall2own

you do know that the psp alone has sold over 40 mil right? :|

You might aswell, neither are having great success right now what with Vista an all.

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While I am a big fan of CNN, I do think they were wrong in calling the PlayStation 3 a sinking ship. I'm surprise the Washington Post didn't add LittleBigPlanet to the list of exclusives. The PS3 has the games. The PS3 has the features. The PS3 has the stable, and successful online service (PSN today is 100x better than PSN last year. It has grown a lot). PS3 is not a sinking ship. Sony can't afford to lower the price due to hardware costs, not that they're just trying to piss you off.

While I am a big fan of CNN, I do think they were wrong in calling the PlayStation 3 a sinking ship. I'm surprise the Washington Post didn't add LittleBigPlanet to the list of exclusives. The PS3 has the games. The PS3 has the features. The PS3 has the stable, and successful online service (PSN today is 100x better than PSN last year. It has grown a lot). PS3 is not a sinking ship. Sony can't afford to lower the price due to hardware costs, not that they're just trying to piss you off.

Albanian_Killa

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

While I am a big fan of CNN, I do think they were wrong in calling the PlayStation 3 a sinking ship. I'm surprise the Washington Post didn't add LittleBigPlanet to the list of exclusives. The PS3 has the games. The PS3 has the features. The PS3 has the stable, and successful online service (PSN today is 100x better than PSN last year. It has grown a lot). PS3 is not a sinking ship. Sony can't afford to lower the price due to hardware costs, not that they're just trying to piss you off.

KingTuttle

I just read this for the first time. Nice analysis of the situation. I don't think Sony or the PS3 is a sinking ship. They'll react to their situation and bounce back positively.Episode_Eve

lets hope they do that fast since the Playstation brand is extremely important to Sony.... also as a gamer its always good news knowing its doing good since it will attract devs to invest & develop games for it...

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Thats some mighty fine ownage done by The Washington Post, nice to see a much more leveled fair analysis then that crap CNN was talking about especially the game part, I felt like that part was written by an angry fanboy.

Bravo Post Bravo

GranReyUno

But the CNN writers are all Republican fanboys, and that's pretty much the same as being Microsoft fanboys anyway...

[QUOTE="GranReyUno"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Thats some mighty fine ownage done by The Washington Post, nice to see a much more leveled fair analysis then that crap CNN was talking about especially the game part, I felt like that part was written by an angry fanboy.

Bravo Post Bravo

svetzenlether

But the CNN writers are all Republican fanboys, and that's pretty much the same as being Microsoft fanboys anyway...

just remember, we do things different in Canada. hard left in the US is like our middle, or right. we're far more liberal - so to you it might look right wing, but it's ******* not at all.

[QUOTE="GranReyUno"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Thats some mighty fine ownage done by The Washington Post, nice to see a much more leveled fair analysis then that crap CNN was talking about especially the game part, I felt like that part was written by an angry fanboy.

Bravo Post Bravo

svetzenlether

But the CNN writers are all Republican fanboys, and that's pretty much the same as being Microsoft fanboys anyway...

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="GranReyUno"] It was but Lems say the CNN writers can't be fanboys. lol! 3picuri3

But the CNN writers are all Republican fanboys, and that's pretty much the same as being Microsoft fanboys anyway...

just remember, we do things different in Canada. hard left in the US is like our middle, or right. we're far more liberal - so to you it might look right wing, but it's ******* not at all.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

But the CNN writers are all Republican fanboys, and that's pretty much the same as being Microsoft fanboys anyway...

Episode_Eve

just remember, we do things different in Canada. hard left in the US is like our middle, or right. we're far more liberal - so to you it might look right wing, but it's ******* not at all.

having 1-2 rep pundits does not make you bipartisan. even FOX has a couple liberal anchors. CNN would love you to think they're middle of the road, but in the grand scheme of things they are very left of the US center.

msnbc comes close, but imo they're about the same ;)

i quit reading when you brought up the playstation brand stuff. you know sonydefenseforce.com is just a joke right?

its dumb to believe what cnn or wash post says about gaming. everybody knows that this isn't a good time for ps3. maybe it'll take off next year if it gets below 300 but even that price hasn't been the traditional mass market line (199). i don't know....

do some research. find me a more liberal news network in the US :) bipartisan, lol. i'm liberal, so don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to attack CNN, i just watch enough of it to know they AREN'T bipartisan.

having 1-2 rep pundits does not make you bipartisan. even FOX has a couple liberal anchors. CNN would love you to think they're middle of the road, but in the grand scheme of things they are very left of the US center.

msnbc comes close, but imo they're about the same ;)

3picuri3

this is about the only time I've ever agreed with you... ack.. I might be wrong :lol:

I also cant believe you reported my gif before, how lame.

Edit: whats with all the post errors now days

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] omg are you ******* serious? lmao. CNN repub fanboys? they're openly, and acknowledged by most, to be the MOST liberal of any US based News Agency. self-owned.

just remember, we do things different in Canada. hard left in the US is like our middle, or right. we're far more liberal - so to you it might look right wing, but it's ******* not at all.

3picuri3

having 1-2 rep pundits does not make you bipartisan. even FOX has a couple liberal anchors. CNN would love you to think they're middle of the road, but in the grand scheme of things they are very left of the US center.

msnbc comes close, but imo they're about the same ;)

In America, CNN is probably the closets we'll get to non-bias presentation. Every network has their token partisans to balance things out (Joe Scarborough/Alan Colmes), but CNN takes the most effort in keeping the debates and info fair. No other network has bipartisan and partisan round-table debates.

http://www.buzzdash.com/index.php?page=buzzbite&BB_id=132715&C_id=3&listType=category&buzzbitesSort=date_d&back_url=%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Dcategory%26C_id%3D3%23buzzbites-list

That's just a small sample though. NBC is by far the most liberal network.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"] do some research. find me a more liberal news network in the US :) bipartisan, lol. i'm liberal, so don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to attack CNN, i just watch enough of it to know they AREN'T bipartisan.

having 1-2 rep pundits does not make you bipartisan. even FOX has a couple liberal anchors. CNN would love you to think they're middle of the road, but in the grand scheme of things they are very left of the US center.

msnbc comes close, but imo they're about the same ;)

FragTycoon

this is about the only time I've ever agreed with you... ack.. I might be wrong :lol:

I also cant believe you reported my gif before, how lame.

Edit: whats with all the post errors now days

don't know who fails more, CNN or PS3.rgame1

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] do some research. find me a more liberal news network in the US :) bipartisan, lol. i'm liberal, so don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to attack CNN, i just watch enough of it to know they AREN'T bipartisan.

having 1-2 rep pundits does not make you bipartisan. even FOX has a couple liberal anchors. CNN would love you to think they're middle of the road, but in the grand scheme of things they are very left of the US center.

msnbc comes close, but imo they're about the same ;)

TREAL_Since

this is about the only time I've ever agreed with you... ack.. I might be wrong :lol:

I also cant believe you reported my gif before, how lame.

Edit: whats with all the post errors now days

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

this is about the only time I've ever agreed with you... ack.. I might be wrong :lol:

I also cant believe you reported my gif before, how lame.

Edit: whats with all the post errors now days

3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] NBC is definitely the most liberal network in America. Even if by a little margin. Not a bad thing since my views are center-left.TREAL_Since

Just wondering if anyone noticed with this would CNN thing. CNN does publish articles from other blogs and news sites. In the case of the plummeting PS3 sales article it was take from alleyinsider

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The thing I want to know is: Wold CNN have dared to call PS3 a sinking ship earlier in the year when it was outselling 360?TheGrat1

Just wondering if anyone noticed with this would CNN thing. CNN does publish articles from other blogs and news sites. In the case of the plummeting PS3 sales article it was take from alleyinsider

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Just wondering if anyone noticed with this would CNN thing. CNN does publish articles from other blogs and news sites. In the case of the plummeting PS3 sales article it was take from alleyinsider

Source

The author if you look at his other articles does seem to have a little bit of anti sony biasRecca168

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]The thing I want to know is: Wold CNN have dared to call PS3 a sinking ship earlier in the year when it was outselling 360?3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TheGrat1"]The thing I want to know is: Wold CNN have dared to call PS3 a sinking ship earlier in the year when it was outselling 360?TheGrat1

let me make it simple:

-sales were okay then, so no they wouldn't report it's sinking

-sales suck now and are down vs. 2007, so report in the money section for investors.

simple stuff.

this is not SENSATIONAL - this is NOT overreaction. take a look at the Sony stock performance over the past couple of weeks - tell me people wouldn't have been harping on CNN for not mentioning Sony's stock being re-categorized as 'underperform' while they all lose their money. it's NEWS. it has FINANCIAL IMPACT that AFFECTS PEOPLES INVESTMENTS.

so tired of cows trying to spin this in to some global media conspiracy of sensationalism and exaggeration. the only people exaggerating around here are the cows.

maybe next time you should look past the news story and see what is actually happening to sonys 'financials'.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] what a silly question. don't you already have the answer? did they call it a sinking ship then? my word.... 3picuri3

let me make it simple:

-sales were okay then, so no they wouldn't report it's sinking

-sales suck now and are down vs. 2007, so report in the money section for investors.

simple stuff.

And are 2008 YTD numbers not > 2007 YTD numbers? :?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"] *sigh* Look past the words and into the implied meaning of the statement. By keeping quiet earlier in the year and then suddenly declaring PS3 a sinking ship because sales went down from last year in a few months exposes such a claim as a sensational and unnecassary overreaction. -_-TheGrat1

let me make it simple:

-sales were okay then, so no they wouldn't report it's sinking

-sales suck now and are down vs. 2007, so report in the money section for investors.

simple stuff.

And are 2008 YTD numbers not > 2007 YTD numbers? :?

[QUOTE="Recca168"]

Just wondering if anyone noticed with this would CNN thing. CNN does publish articles from other blogs and news sites. In the case of the plummeting PS3 sales article it was take from alleyinsider

Source

The author if you look at his other articles does seem to have a little bit of anti sony biasJandurin

Lol. Don't read too much into it. I was just wonder if anyone noticed since everything has been CNN this and CNN that when CNN only republished an article from one of it's affiliates.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Recca168"]

Just wondering if anyone noticed with this would CNN thing. CNN does publish articles from other blogs and news sites. In the case of the plummeting PS3 sales article it was take from alleyinsider

Source

The author if you look at his other articles does seem to have a little bit of anti sony biasRecca168

Lol. Don't read too much into it. I was just wonder if anyone noticed since everything has been CNN this and CNN that when CNN only republished an article from one of it's affiliates.

Lol. Don't read too much into it. I was just wonder if anyone noticed since everything has been CNN this and CNN that when CNN only republished an article from one of it's affiliates.

Recca168

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] no - it's news directly relating to the NPD reports. why the hell do you think there's some sort of conspiracy here and that there's a possibility CNN are a bunch of fanboys that just report to annoy cows? seriously. i can see your implied meaning, don't have to dig deep.

let me make it simple:

-sales were okay then, so no they wouldn't report it's sinking

-sales suck now and are down vs. 2007, so report in the money section for investors.

simple stuff.

3picuri3

And are 2008 YTD numbers not > 2007 YTD numbers? :?

Then the reasoning by the person who wrote the article is terrible. I'll consider PS3 a sinking ship when it sells less this year than last year.

the washington post article is actually from PC World and not washington post at all, as well. :PJandurin

that's my point. Would there be so much out cry here if it was just alleyinsider vs PC World.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TheGrat1"] When did I say I think that? :?

And are 2008 YTD numbers not > 2007 YTD numbers? :?

TheGrat1

Then the reasoning by the person who wrote the article is terrible. I'll consider PS3 a sinking ship when it sells less this year than last year.

what implication does YTD sales have at all? Sony downgraded their forecast, analysts downgraded the stock condition, all have downgraded sales expectations. YTD sales mean jack **** when a console takes a hit on holiday sales when a bump is expected - stocks went down 6% in one day over this news and it's still showing an overall gradual decline so things might get worse.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] you really have to take a step back and read the articles. you clearly aren't understanding a) what the article was implying, and b) what the story was about. you keep pulling out things unrelated to the article, YTD had nothing to do with it. read up on Sony's stock okay? read up about the reclassification to 'underperform' and read the NPD sales reports that lead to this article. does a ship have to start sinking at the beginning of the year? do you get the analogy at all? it being a sinking ship implies it was once a ship above water - i.e. pre 2008 holiday season. all you people are doing is blowing an article way out of proportion and giving it far more attention than it deserves. 3picuri3

Then the reasoning by the person who wrote the article is terrible. I'll consider PS3 a sinking ship when it sells less this year than last year.

what implication does YTD sales have at all? Sony downgraded their forecast, analysts downgraded the stock condition, all have downgraded sales expectations. YTD sales mean jack **** when a console takes a hit on holiday sales when a bump is expected - stocks went down 6% in one day over this news and it's still showing an overall gradual decline so things might get worse.

don't expect people in system wars to have the slightest understanding of economics of any kind. most of them are probably twelve and haven't even taken a basic economics class yet. when you say sony downgraded their forecast, those twelve-year-olds probably think that sony said there will be less rain this quarter.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] you really have to take a step back and read the articles. you clearly aren't understanding a) what the article was implying, and b) what the story was about. you keep pulling out things unrelated to the article, YTD had nothing to do with it. read up on Sony's stock okay? read up about the reclassification to 'underperform' and read the NPD sales reports that lead to this article. does a ship have to start sinking at the beginning of the year? do you get the analogy at all? it being a sinking ship implies it was once a ship above water - i.e. pre 2008 holiday season. all you people are doing is blowing an article way out of proportion and giving it far more attention than it deserves. 3picuri3

Then the reasoning by the person who wrote the article is terrible. I'll consider PS3 a sinking ship when it sells less this year than last year.

what implication does YTD sales have at all? Sony downgraded their forecast, analysts downgraded the stock condition, all have downgraded sales expectations. YTD sales mean jack **** when a console takes a hit on holiday sales when a bump is expected - stocks went down 6% in one day over this news and it's still showing an overall gradual decline so things might get worse.