We don't know yet, the PSP2 MIGHT be better than the 3DS

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Cuz claiming PSP2 is screwed b4 it isn't even announced is certainly very sensible and intelligible. It's not gona beat 3DS in sales, but ur OP is about quality of the product.khoofia_pika

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Exactly. The devs would be reluctant to support the PSP2 since they'd already be somewhat familiar with the 3DS.Nintendo_Ownes7

So is my point right? :P But I see what you mean, the 3rd party can confirm games while working on other games.

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[QUOTE="mystervj"]Cuz claiming PSP2 is screwed b4 it isn't even announced is certainly very sensible and intelligible. It's not gona beat 3DS in sales, but ur OP is about quality of the product.mystervj

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] I said it might be screwed if it released late. And that was just a statement I wrote OUTSIDE the OP. The OP is all "PSP2 will be great" and "PSP2 might beat the 3DS" and "give Sone a chance," just in case you haven't read it... which you haven't.

khoofia_pika

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] I said it might be screwed if it released late. And that was just a statement I wrote OUTSIDE the OP. The OP is all "PSP2 will be great" and "PSP2 might beat the 3DS" and "give Sone a chance," just in case you haven't read it... which you haven't.

khoofia_pika

Anyways the PSP platform was going strong back in 05 so ofc there would be many supporters, but not as much as DS in any point. Not like I would know, there's probably even more cows back then seeing how popular the PS2 was.mystervj

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Anyways the PSP platform was going strong back in 05 so ofc there would be many supporters, but not as much as DS in any point. Not like I would know, there's probably even more cows back then seeing how popular the PS2 was.khoofia_pika

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="mystervj"]Anyways the PSP platform was going strong back in 05 so ofc there would be many supporters, but not as much as DS in any point. Not like I would know, there's probably even more cows back then seeing how popular the PS2 was.mystervj

If Sony focuses on GAMES and not TECH, then yes, it has a chance to be even with, and maybe be better than the 3DS.navyguy21

PSP2 = Non Exsitant.

3DS = AWESOME

I expect it to be since 3DS doesn't look that special. DS just doesn't interest me much.

if the psp go is any indication as where they are going then no.. The 3ds has a huge appeal of no 3d glasses. What will psp2 have? it would need to be something more then just bumped up graphics to be better for me

I guess you could argue that if Sony would stray away from their typical mantra of more power and actually implement some kind of innovation in a new device. The issue here is that Sony has never done that before, it responded to the Wii by directly copying it. The PSP GO was a big failure. Don't forget that Sony has nothing close to killer apps like Nintendogs,Brain Training,NSMB etc.

Nintendo's strategy has cornered Sony in the handheld market. It's going to take a lot to top the 3DS. Either Sony leaves the handheld market entirely or they will exist as an obscure niche.

In many ways the psp is better than the DS, so I don't see why not. Not interested in either though.

The thing about the 3DS (other than what appears to be amazing 3rd party support heading into launch) is that the graphics, and controls surpass the PSP putting it at the point where it encroaches upon what made the PSP successful. The fact that the PSP had the ability to play sports games, and play Monster Hunter, and have better looking big titles like GTA, and whatnot allowed it to carve out it's own market just as the DS carved out it's own with the two screens (one being touch of course).

3DS is going to be able to control both those markets, so Sony is going to have to find some area to carve out with the PSP2 if they want it to have any success, and Nintendo is certainly making the 3DS hard to top that's for sure with no-glasses 3D, the accelerometer and/or gyroscope, the touch screen, and Nintendo's promises of better online.

Like people have said if the PSP2 doesn't come out right after the 3DS launches then I don't imagine it has much of a shot at getting as much support from 3rd party devs.

PSP2 will be better when it come to hardware but 3DS will get better support from game devs i believe

Okay, before firing those bazookas on me, hear me out please. I'm not saying the PSP2 WILL be better than the 3DS, and neither am I implying that the PSP is better than the DS... coz it's not. I'm just looking into all the possibilities here.

Let's look back around fifteen years into the past or so. Nintendo was king of the console market, conclusively beating all competition, triumphing over every contemporary piece of hardware one could think of. With the NES and the SNES, Nintendo had climbed to the top, and no one could even think of a company that would ever even come close to topping Nintendo (though people might say Sega was good, it had little chances of beating Nintendo). But then came the PlayStation, and it ended Nintendo's reign over the console market.

And look at this: Nintendo has been the king of the handheld market for as long as our memories can go back, and no one has ever really given Nintendo any competition. With the GB, GBA and DS, Nintendo have become the undisputable handheld champs, and apparently, there is no way in hell anybody will ever be able to beat a handheld as powerful, innovative, and as great as the 3DS. But just think for a second- this is Sony, and they never really give up. And while it seems completely impossible to image, they might actually learn from their mistakes. We don't even have an inkling of what the PSP2 is about. Let's give them a chance. And the law of averages has to catch up. Nintendo can;t remain the undisputed handheld champs forever (though I don't really have a problem with that).

I mean, look at it this way: when the DS and the PSP were about to be released, nobody was ready to give the DS a chance, everybody was trashing it as a sucky handheld in comparision to the PSP, everyone was saying the PSP will turn out to be spectacular, and that it will end Ninendo's handheld supremacy, thus spelling utter doom for them. The same thing is happening now, only people are not ready to give the PSP2 a chance, and they think the 3DS will walk all over it.

Let's wait and watch, people, we might actually have a handheld winner next gen that has not been developed by Nintendo.

khoofia_pika

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

If the PSP2 doesn't launch with 3 months of the 3DS it is screwed period.

because as of now the 3DS support is huge and we know nothing of the PSP2. Once the 3DS starts barreling down there isn't a chance the PSP2 will gather up enough support to go head to head.

The PSP 4G will be an absolute amazing device. One of the most amazing devices that mankind has ever seen. The shallow thought of the PSP 4G having serious competition brings laughter to Coolyfett's heart. There are no fears that Sony will produce an excellent system as they always do. Those guys at Sony know their stuff. Of course mothers will buy their precious children the cheapest device on the market. If Coolyfett was a mother he would do the same. Hopefully Sony will sell their amazing PSP 4G for a reasonable price for the many mothers out there with child. Sonys silence on the matter is basically business chess, they know what the opposition is doing and will time their attack accordingly. Coolyfett word is golden, 100 percent of the things he predicts always come to light. This situation will be no different. Peace & Love.Coolyfett

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="mystervj"] Why would PSP2 need to be released so soon for it to be not screwed. wasted_wisdom

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Arctic is right actually, because by the time PSP2 releases (if it releases more than 3 months after the 3DS), the 3DS will already have sold to much for the gap to be covered.ActicEdge

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

Just because juse it doesn't sale as much does not make them screwed... If they retain psp users and profit its a success

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

because as of now the 3DS support is huge and we know nothing of the PSP2. Once the 3DS starts barreling down there isn't a chance the PSP2 will gather up enough support to go head to head.

I am not going to bother with you, simply because the circumstances are entirely different and you know they are.

The PSP2 will be a failure like the PSP.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"] See this is what pisses me off. Who gives a crap about the Ds selling more or the PSP selling less? You sheep act like you play sales. I don't even see the ompetition between the two as when iam playing my PSP iam not thinking of the DS. Iam just playing a freaking handheld game. Stop acting like PSP owners will suddenly stop having fun with their system as soon as the charts announce the DS has more sales. And like I said and like most other cows have said, all the PSP needs is dual analog and for me better speakers. I couldn't care less about touch screen. The PsP already has an established user base. And with the huge difference between what the DS offers and what the PSP offers I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the people who chose the PSP have already showed that they Prefer the Psp. Stop acting like the Psp has no quality games.Banjo_Kongfooie

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

Just because juse it doesn't sale as much does not make them screwed... If they retain psp users and profit its a success

this thread is about the PSP3 being BETTER than the 3DS. If it doesn't launch in a close proximity, I can pretty much gaurentee its screwed at achieving what the thread is talking about. I never once said the PSP2 will be screwed and a failed product for Sony if it loses to the 3DS, that is a completely different discussion and oneI wouldn't involve myself in until I see the machine.

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Arctic is right actually, because by the time PSP2 releases (if it releases more than 3 months after the 3DS), the 3DS will already have sold to much for the gap to be covered.ActicEdge

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

No they're not and you're dodging the failure in your own logic. Enlighten me if you think you know it all. Or don't bother and I'll accept that you can't :)tomarlyn

I deleted that post because I feel I'm wasting effort explaining, my logic is not logic, that's the problem, you're reading it as a general rule. I stated it with the intention of being treated as an isolated issue independant of other issues, not a general rule. Make sense. And reallly, you're snark is amusing but you of all people shouldn't be on me for proving my point, I'm still waiting for those links to said claims that were "everywhere!!!!" :roll: Stick around, I may explain it when I feel the need to.

this picture fits this thread perfectly

The PSP 4G will be an absolute amazing device. One of the most amazing devices that mankind has ever seen. The shallow thought of the PSP 4G having serious competition brings laughter to Coolyfett's heart. There are no fears that Sony will produce an excellent system as they always do. Those guys at Sony know their stuff. Of course mothers will buy their precious children the cheapest device on the market. If Coolyfett was a mother he would do the same. Hopefully Sony will sell their amazing PSP 4G for a reasonable price for the many mothers out there with child. Sonys silence on the matter is basically business chess, they know what the opposition is doing and will time their attack accordingly. Coolyfett word is golden, 100 percent of the things he predicts always come to light. This situation will be no different. Peace & Love.Coolyfett

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"] See this is what pisses me off. Who gives a crap about the Ds selling more or the PSP selling less? You sheep act like you play sales. I don't even see the ompetition between the two as when iam playing my PSP iam not thinking of the DS. Iam just playing a freaking handheld game. Stop acting like PSP owners will suddenly stop having fun with their system as soon as the charts announce the DS has more sales. And like I said and like most other cows have said, all the PSP needs is dual analog and for me better speakers. I couldn't care less about touch screen. The PsP already has an established user base. And with the huge difference between what the DS offers and what the PSP offers I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the people who chose the PSP have already showed that they Prefer the Psp. Stop acting like the Psp has no quality games.mystervj

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

correct, less sales does not mean no games, I never said that, the argument is about which will ultimately be better, not whether both can be good afterall. I don't know why everyone is havig trouble grasping that TC is not talking about the PSP2 being successful, that would be foolish because we don't know what it is. TC is talking about what will yltimately produce better games and be the better machine. My bet is that if the 3DS becomes a run away success (which it will) before the PSP2 can come out and prove its a machine worth peoples time, it will have major trouble matching the 3DS in support. I don't see handheld games being very multiplat either, its certainly a possibility and I'm sure it will happen early on but as the life cycles move on, if the 3DS is simply outpacing the PSP2 there won't be as much incentive to port. The other problem is that dves will be weary that the successor to the PSP2 sucked hard at selling software.

If it gets all that third party dev support plus Sony's 1st party it sure can.FIipMode

As far as the handheld realm is concerned (hell even consoles really), Sony first party is fairly irrelevant to the success of their system. They need third party support to take dominance and actually in complete honesty, its my opinion that to have Japan they absolutely need SE and a large part of SE too.

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Arctic is right actually, because by the time PSP2 releases (if it releases more than 3 months after the 3DS), the 3DS will already have sold to much for the gap to be covered.ActicEdge

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"] See this is what pisses me off. Who gives a crap about the Ds selling more or the PSP selling less? You sheep act like you play sales. I don't even see the ompetition between the two as when iam playing my PSP iam not thinking of the DS. Iam just playing a freaking handheld game. Stop acting like PSP owners will suddenly stop having fun with their system as soon as the charts announce the DS has more sales. And like I said and like most other cows have said, all the PSP needs is dual analog and for me better speakers. I couldn't care less about touch screen. The PsP already has an established user base. And with the huge difference between what the DS offers and what the PSP offers I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the people who chose the PSP have already showed that they Prefer the Psp. Stop acting like the Psp has no quality games.wasted_wisdom

The PSP2 is not going to have a chance against the 3DS unless it can level the playing field early enough, we are talking about sales which will lead to games. I don't care about your fun, welcome to system wars, where your personal enjoyment is meaningless to discussion. What you think of your PSP is your business, what you think of the PSP is irrelevant to the reality of the discussion. If you can't handle that either deal or leave cause that's the discussion at hand.

no, TC said which will be better. Let's not count Sony out because of past history was his point. This is not about the PSP, its about its successor. The PSP has tons of good games, I always say it does, don't waste my time with baseless accusations. I feel as though this is going nowhere so I'm done with you.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]If it gets all that third party dev support plus Sony's 1st party it sure can.ActicEdge

As far as the handheld realm is concerned (hell even consoles really), Sony first party is fairly irrelevant to the success of their system. They need third party support to take dominance and actually in complete honesty, its my opinion that to have Japan they absolutely need SE and a large part of SE too.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]No they're not and you're dodging the failure in your own logic. Enlighten me if you think you know it all. Or don't bother and I'll accept that you can't :)ActicEdge

I deleted that post because I feel I'm wasting effort explaining, my logic is not logic, that's the problem, you're reading it as a general rule. I stated it with the intention of being treated as an isolated issue independant of other issues, not a general rule. Make sense. And reallly, you're snark is amusing but you of all people shouldn't be on me for proving my point, I'm still waiting for those links to said claims that were "everywhere!!!!" :roll: Stick around, I may explain it when I feel the need to.

Last gen PS2 was far and wide the leader of the console industry and the Gamecube trailed in last.

This gen Nintendo is unquestionably the industry leader while the PS3 is struggling to get 2nd and hasn't been able to catch it yet.

Anything could happen, things change.