Weak PC Bashing is getting really old.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games. 

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

what was this thread about again?

marklarmer

Who knows. I think the point of the thread was lost a couple of pages back.

[QUOTE="n1ntendorevO"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Weak arguement dude.

WoW has 9million+ subscribers thats as many people as people who have bought a 360.

Wow...that is awesome. I think no console game ever sold that much...

They bought the game, and now they are SUBSCRIBING to it and paying a fee every month. So obviously, there's more people PC gaming than gaming on an Xbox 360. Doom3 was the last great game we had? Are you serious? You think Doom3 is an amazing game? That's quite sad, it wasn't that great at all. Go ahead, say "TEH PC GAMING IS DYINGZ LOLZ". If "dying" means getting the most high quality games every year, then yep, PC gaming sure is "dying"! 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

zombiepigeon

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games.

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

I'm not saying it's dead, but compare to console PC gaming looks very bleak. I made a post awhile back, but I seriously think Blizzard Starcraft 2 move was to try to bring PC gaming back to life. 

In the posts I've seen, most of the PC bashers are 360 fanboys, and to respond to them all, I made a picture.

REX3453

Well some are fakeboys. Most Lems don't really care or go on the defensive.

[QUOTE="MOHaashkilla"]

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I don't think anyone can really justifiably bash PC gaming.marklarmer

Im not gonna bash PC games as I was in the top leagues on Medal of Honor SpearHead for pc...Here is where my problems lie with pc gaming...

1...You cant really have friends over and play together splitscreen/coop fun games.

2...When you save your games, its hard to keep your saves from format to format of your hdd and its just not as easy ..TO ME..

3...Every game has different specs that your system has to meet or you take a risk of not getting full visual affects.

4...Consoles are totally PLUG N PLAY...I like to be able to pop a game in and go, not having to worry with installing patches, or updating my graphics card drivers, or tweeking this or that...

5...I LOVE my controller...FACT...I love it. I have been a console gamer since 1980. I have 15 consoles and everyone of them has a controller...I LOVE THEM...Even though I mastered the k/m durring my Medal of Honor days I just love my constroller.

6...I know you can hook a controller up PC , but there you go...having to install a program for it to work, and drivers and configuring all the buttons...I like a console that has all that done for me and also gives a few different choices of the configurations....

These are just a few things that come to mind. I love my pc and im on it all the time...music, movies, downloads, pictures,email, messanger ...ect...ect.... But my gaming is done with my consoles.

ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

Installing a game takes about 5 minutes, which in turn gives us faster loading times and more content. But yeah, it's a turn-off alright......

Upgrading isn't a hastle really a hastle for most people. Many people find it fun and enjoyable. It might be a turn-off for you, but not for others. You forget that console gamers are ignorant, and choose to ignore the facts!

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="n1ntendorevO"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.trix5817

Weak arguement dude.

WoW has 9million+ subscribers thats as many people as people who have bought a 360.

Wow...that is awesome. I think no console game ever sold that much...

They bought the game, and now they are SUBSCRIBING to it and paying a fee every month. So obviously, there's more people PC gaming than gaming on an Xbox 360. Doom3 was the last great game we had? Are you serious? You think Doom3 is an amazing game? That's quite sad, it wasn't that great at all. Go ahead, say "TEH PC GAMING IS DYINGZ LOLZ". If "dying" means getting the most high quality games every year, then yep, PC gaming sure is "dying"!

Doom 3? read the post again. 

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

:lol:

Dude, please. PC's will outlast console gaming if it ever came down to it. As long as there is a PC in your home, somebody will make a game to play on it. And PCs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

PS2 won last gen base on sales. PS1 won the gen before. Nintendo won the gen before that. However, when it comes to PC you don't win by sales, it goes by AAA games rated on Gamespot. sales are proving data that can be factual statements. Ratings are nothing more then a personal preference of a game. I gave nothing but factual statments about how PC is dead last since 1985, and will continue to be so. Also, in theory if it's PC vs. Console wouldn't the AAA count be...

PC = 69
Console = 126

You buy stuff just on how popular it is? That's quite sad, really it is. Do you get a profit of the sales? Must be good to, since you care about sales so much.

You are comparing 1 system to 3, yeah that's fair..... 

[QUOTE="milsvaard"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

marklarmer

Installing and upgrading hassle? I think you just proved that Hermits are smarter than console gamers.

yeah and i think you just proved how arrogant hermits are...cant ever accept any draw backs to PC gaming.

You just proved how ignorant console gamers are. If you think installing a game and snapping in a graphics card is hard, then.....wow... 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still

The last great game we had was counter strike?

Call of Duty
Battlefield 1942
Battlefield 2
Counter-Strike
Half Life 2
Far Cry
FEAR
Quake 4
Unreal Tournament 2004
World of Warcraft
Oblivion
Call of Duty 2
Supreme Commander
Company of Heros

Before you say "teh multiplat", remember that most of these game series were born on the pc.

WoW has 9 million+ subscribers. That's more than Xbox Live and this is only one game.

Consoles have been winning since 1985? That's why pc's were the first systems to go 3d, and the pc's have been online gaming since 1995 or so. Don't come back with this crap about all of these games that are coming to the360, because I guarentee most of those games were born on the PC.

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games.

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

I'm not saying it's dead, but compare to console PC gaming looks very bleak. I made a post awhile back, but I seriously think Blizzard Starcraft 2 move was to try to bring PC gaming back to life. 

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games.

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

I'm not saying it's dead, but compare to console PC gaming looks very bleak. I made a post awhile back, but I seriously think Blizzard Starcraft 2 move was to try to bring PC gaming back to life.

Since when was PC gaming dead? We get the most high quality titles every year. I could care less how much something sells, unless I get a portion of the profit. Why am I even argueing with you? You are PS3 fanboy, which is just hilarious. How's having no games to play? 

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="n1ntendorevO"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Weak arguement dude.

WoW has 9million+ subscribers thats as many people as people who have bought a 360.

Wow...that is awesome. I think no console game ever sold that much...

They bought the game, and now they are SUBSCRIBING to it and paying a fee every month. So obviously, there's more people PC gaming than gaming on an Xbox 360. Doom3 was the last great game we had? Are you serious? You think Doom3 is an amazing game? That's quite sad, it wasn't that great at all. Go ahead, say "TEH PC GAMING IS DYINGZ LOLZ". If "dying" means getting the most high quality games every year, then yep, PC gaming sure is "dying"!

Doom 3? read the post again.

Yeah, you implied that Doom3 was actually a great game...... 

Since when was PC gaming dead? We get the most high quality titles every year. I could care less how much something sells, unless I get a portion of the profit. Why am I even argueing with you? You are PS3 fanboy, which is just hilarious. How's having no games to play?

trix5817

Still watching the 3 seasons I miss of Sopranos my gf bought me. I injured my hand a while back on Street Fighter 3. 

Yeah, you implied that Doom3 was actually a great game......

trix5817

Doom 3 was the worst hype game on the PC. That's the reason I pointed it out.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games. 

You lose. Game. Set. MATCH.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"] um no............just no. the pc is not just a gaming machine. It can be used for many things
shungokustasu

Do you even know what the PS3 can do?

The only possibly valid points for pc bashing are : Price, Ease of Use. With that being said...... 

It sure does cost a few measly bucks more, and it may be harder to get it up and running. But I'm tough, and it's worth it. Unlike some others here...... I like to ENJOY MY HOBBIES TO THE FULLEST.

Analogy Time: I like to skateboard for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from the skate shop, take it home and build it, then i RIDE!! Naturally, the good stuff costs more and it takes a little while to set up the board. I could always just go to Target and buy a complete *nash* skateboard for $20 and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something that I like to do for fun.

Analogy Time: I also like to build and race RC cars for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from my local hobby shop. I get home, put together the parts, test my servos, clean my motors and etc......I could always just go to toys r us and pick up a prebuilt tyco car and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something I like to do for fun.

Gaming itself is ALSO a hobby, a priveledge. k?  

Now I can understand that some of you dont want to afford, or dont want to know how to set up a gaming pc, and that fine, but its your loss, and I truly feel sorry for some of you. You don't know what your missing. I really wish that I could afford to buy everyone a gaming pc (because I know you all would GLADY take it)

I fully understand what the pc offers and I am reaping the rewards of enjoying the maximum fun offered by THE MOST ADVANCED GAMING PLATFORM AVAILABLE.

Ages 14 and under, the financially stressed, and the generally lazy need not apply.

(p.s. just like nash skateboards and tyco rc cars, you can find consoles at target and toys r us )

y'know what I'm really sick of, those snobby hermits who brag about this and that and horribly bash consoles.  and no, i'm not bashing the thread creator cuz hes not bashing consoles, but i am bashing those snobby hermits.  i honestly beliebve theyre worse than the PC bashers.

I refuse to believe a computer is the best gaming platform of a generation simply because there is a complete lack of variety.  i love fpses, but the only PC fps that i love is bof counterstrikes; they ruined fpses for pcs cuz theyre still unmatched.  i honestly believe that cs is the greatest multiplayer game of all time, and makes every other fps play like relative crap in comparison. im not an rts fan; they can be enjoyable, but i havent seen one that makes me want to go out and spend $40-50 on it since forever.  the last rts i even considered purchasing was AoE 2.  after that, theres mmos and i refuse to play current MMOs. they do not seem fun to me at all.  the only one i would consider playing is galaxies, but even then that game seems to be limping around after theyve made so many dramatic changes.  after that, theres no genre it excels in, all others are surpassed on consoles.  sports are insanely better on 360 over live, racing games like burnout arent even on pcs. oblivions on both but i just couldnt bring myself to buy it since i was too busy playing online games, plus i was in the middle of kotor 2 and now mass effect will consume my life for a great chunk of time and that appears to be twice the better game in my eyes (and ive watched a TON of oblivion, like probly over 40 hours of watching others play, but its still not as good as kotor 1 cuz kotors storyline was perfect).  im dont want to bother mentioning jrpgs since i donmt care for their gameplay (or lack thereof), but it seems like sony has dominated that market for 10+ years.  then theres action games like saints row, and adventure games like zelda and its hard for me to think of any recent games for PC in those genres.  plus, while i detest most rhythm games, i will admit i am a huge guitar hero junkie. it seemed stupid to me, but then i tried it and had an absolute blast (and have received numerous noise complaints since :P ).

anyways, i cant stand snobby hermits who act like they are superior, cuz they simply arent. their games and consoles might be technically superior, but theres a severe lack of pick up and playability and lack of variety.

with that said, i dont feel bad one bit for spending $200 on a videocard just to play counterstrike source.

The only possibly valid points for pc bashing are : Price, Ease of Use. With that being said......

It sure does cost a few measly bucks more, and it may be harder to get it up and running. But I'm tough, and it's worth it. Unlike some others here...... I like to ENJOY MY HOBBIES TO THE FULLEST.

Analogy Time: I like to skateboard for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from the skate shop, take it home and build it, then i RIDE!! Naturally, the good stuff costs more and it takes a little while to set up the board. I could always just go to Target and buy a complete *nash* skateboard for $20 and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something that I like to do for fun.

Analogy Time: I also like to build and race RC cars for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from my local hobby shop. I get home, put together the parts, test my servos, clean my motors and etc......I could always just go to toys r us and pick up a prebuilt tyco car and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something I like to do for fun.

Gaming itself is ALSO a hobby, a priveledge. k?

Now I can understand that some of you dont want to afford, or dont want to know how to set up a gaming pc, and that fine, but its your loss, and I truly feel sorry for some of you. You don't know what your missing. I really wish that I could afford to buy everyone a gaming pc (because I know you all would GLADY take it)

I fully understand what the pc offers and I am reaping the rewards of enjoying the maximum fun offered by THE MOST ADVANCED GAMING PLATFORM AVAILABLE.

Ages 14 and under, the financially stressed, and the generally lazy need not apply.

(p.s. just like nash skateboards and tyco rc cars, you can find consoles at target and toys r us )

out0v0rder

Oh and btw, I'm 14, and if I can figure this stuff out, building a rig, sorting out the tweaks, and overclocking, I'm pretty sure a lot of you other people can too, if you take the time to learn(only took me a few days, half hr a day) 

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Learn the truth.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25598985&page=0

All AAA and AA games since the lauch of the PS2.

AAA Totals

PC: 69
PS2: 60
X-Box: 40
Gamecube: 18
X-Box 360: 6
PS3: 1
Wii: 1

I would hardly call that "life support."

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when. 

PC bashing is weak, but consoles have their advantages too. Consoles are easier to use, but easy isn't always better. It is also true that PC has higher quality games, it is undenyable. Most of all PC gaming is NOT dying or on life support. EA invested $30 mil into a PC exlusive.......Crysis, Nvidia and ATI spend loads of money on new GPUs, MS is spending money on Games for Windows. The thing that is happening though is that consoles are dying, think about it, console are becoming more and more like PC, and don't be surprised if console will get KB&M support standard, printers etc..muscleserge

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

Blackbond

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there? 

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Learn the truth.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25598985&page=0

All AAA and AA games since the lauch of the PS2.

AAA Totals

PC: 69
PS2: 60
X-Box: 40
Gamecube: 18
X-Box 360: 6
PS3: 1
Wii: 1

I would hardly call that "life support."

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

Yet you try to pass off your opinion as fact. Hypocrite? 

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

:lol:

Dude, please. PC's will outlast console gaming if it ever came down to it. As long as there is a PC in your home, somebody will make a game to play on it. And PCs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

PS2 won last gen base on sales. PS1 won the gen before. Nintendo won the gen before that. However, when it comes to PC you don't win by sales, it goes by AAA games rated on Gamespot. sales are proving data that can be factual statements. Ratings are nothing more then a personal preference of a game. I gave nothing but factual statments about how PC is dead last since 1985, and will continue to be so. Also, in theory if it's PC vs. Console wouldn't the AAA count be...

PC = 69
Console = 126

Actually, some of those console games would be double ups.
And about your factual statement, PC gaming is not on life support. To be on life support, you'd have to have few titles coming out for the system, and developers not looking at it anymore. Look at this link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24525221

It is UNDENIABLE, PC gaming is still thriving, or many of those wouldn't be exclusive. You are wrong. It is not on life support. That is fact. Not opinion. Fact. You don't have to like PC gaming, but it is a fact it is still a thriving market.

It has the most exclusives. The most overall developer/publisher support. It has the best graphics/physics/AI. It has an abundance of almost every genre in existence, and some console gaming never gets. Most PC games never see ports. Everything I just said was a fact. Stop with your nonsense bashing. You are wrong.

It's not only me that's saying it's on life support. Epic also said it.

So because Epic says it, it's fact? Then what about reviews? Both are opinions.  

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.WhySoCry

:lol:

Dude, please. PC's will outlast console gaming if it ever came down to it. As long as there is a PC in your home, somebody will make a game to play on it. And PCs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

PS2 won last gen base on sales. PS1 won the gen before. Nintendo won the gen before that. However, when it comes to PC you don't win by sales, it goes by AAA games rated on Gamespot. sales are proving data that can be factual statements. Ratings are nothing more then a personal preference of a game. I gave nothing but factual statments about how PC is dead last since 1985, and will continue to be so. Also, in theory if it's PC vs. Console wouldn't the AAA count be...

PC = 69
Console = 126

Actually, some of those console games would be double ups.
And about your factual statement, PC gaming is not on life support. To be on life support, you'd have to have few titles coming out for the system, and developers not looking at it anymore. Look at this link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24525221

It is UNDENIABLE, PC gaming is still thriving, or many of those wouldn't be exclusive. You are wrong. It is not on life support. That is fact. Not opinion. Fact. You don't have to like PC gaming, but it is a fact it is still a thriving market.

It has the most exclusives. The most overall developer/publisher support. It has the best graphics/physics/AI. It has an abundance of almost every genre in existence, and some console gaming never gets. Most PC games never see ports. Everything I just said was a fact. Stop with your nonsense bashing. You are wrong.

It's not only me that's saying it's on life support. Epic also said it.

So because Epic says it, it's fact? Then what about reviews? Both are opinions.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

shungokustasu

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Your job isn't system wars. Your analogies are always horrid. Quite with them. Everyone else follows the rules why should a select minority not have to. If you don't like it then nobody is forcing you to stay. We are on GS so we use GS scores. Period. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

Blackbond

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Your job isn't system wars. Your analogies are always horrid. Quite with them. Everyone else follows the rules why should a select minority not have to. If you don't like it then nobody is forcing you to stay. We are on GS so we use GS scores. Period.

As I mention before. You are very very very very very bad at grabbing the concept of an analogy. You can't understand a simple Car to Console one. You right though, I'll keep things simple with you next time. Anyways, Gamespot is not the truth for my everday views on gaming. It's not a rule if I don't get penaltize for breaking them. ie. I don't go by GS AAA, AA, A rating to determine a good game. Banned from SW? No, these are rules that mods want you to believe exist to save the headache of silly arguments that doesn't go anywhere. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

shungokustasu

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Your job isn't system wars. Your analogies are always horrid. Quite with them. Everyone else follows the rules why should a select minority not have to. If you don't like it then nobody is forcing you to stay. We are on GS so we use GS scores. Period.

As I mention before. You are very very very very very bad at grabbing the concept of an analogy. You can't understand a simple Car to Console one. You right though, I'll keep things simple with you next time. Anyways, Gamespot is not the truth for my everday views on gaming. It's not a rule if I don't get penaltize for breaking them. ie. I don't go by GS AAA, AA, A rating to determine a good game. Banned from SW? No, these are rules that mods want you to believe exist to save the headache of silly arguments that doesn't go anywhere.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

shungokustasu

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Worst analogy ever. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

trix5817

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Worst analogy ever.

well you are being a hypocrite. Shungo I'm a loser. You say something that epic said, and you use that as fact, then you say that gamespot is opinions.
lettuceman44

No, what is better or worst is subjective. People will always have differences in those aspect. What Epic is saying is that the making money in the PC is harder to do than in the console business. That's a fact that Epic can tell you. So, when a developer says that there is more money in the console business, and PC is slowly decreasing in sales, that is an actual fact. 

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Learn the truth.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25598985&page=0

All AAA and AA games since the lauch of the PS2.

AAA Totals

PC: 69
PS2: 60
X-Box: 40
Gamecube: 18
X-Box 360: 6
PS3: 1
Wii: 1

I would hardly call that "life support."

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact. 

Well, those opinions of GS reviewers are still worth about fifty times more than yours though :) 

 

ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

marklarmer

And why console gamers ignore the fact that not installing is a major turn-off from console gaming? Sure, on consoles you just pop the disc andthat's it, but guess what? That's a hassle. I would rather sit 5 minutes through install once and eventualy download nocd fix and then all I need to do it double click the game. Taking the disc out and putting it every single time I want to play a console game is bigger hassle . 

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games.

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

I'm not saying it's dead, but compare to console PC gaming looks very bleak. I made a post awhile back, but I seriously think Blizzard Starcraft 2 move was to try to bring PC gaming back to life. 

Not really. PCgaming has been steadily growing worldwide. It's only improving. there's nothing to "bring back to life" here, PCgaming is doing very well. if it wasn't why would EVERY SINGLE big console publisher start investing in PCgaming in last 3-4 years? I guess you know more than they do :D 

I don't go by GS AAA, AA, A rating to determine a good game.

shungokustasu

well, the whole forum does. You're like a silly angry kid who wants to play soccer, but since he can't win, he grabs the ball in his hands and runs with it to score the goal and thinks it will count. You don't want to follow the rules of the game, don;t play it. Go to General Gaming Discussion on GS, on SW all we use are GS scores. 

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"] well you are being a hypocrite. Shungo I'm a loser. You say something that epic said, and you use that as fact, then you say that gamespot is opinions.
shungokustasu

No, what is better or worst is subjective. People will always have differences in those aspect. What Epic is saying is that the making money in the PC is harder to do than in the console business. That's a fact that Epic can tell you. So, when a developer says that there is more money in the console business, and PC is slowly decreasing in sales, that is an actual fact.

Prove it.

Actually, don't bother, because I know exacly what you're going to do anyway. You're going to go on wikipedia, to the atricle about the decline of PC gaming, and post it as fact. 

The only thing that article proves is that its hard to sell hardcopies of games, it even says the sales numbers don't reflect online distribution, which is a lot more popular than one would think. Plus, wikipedia is the gamerankings of the acedemic world; use at your own peril.

Or you were just going to sit there and hope nobody noticed you said that without providing any proof. Either or.

Not only that, but a surefire way to lose a debate is to have evidence presented against your argument, then try to refute it by playing it off as "opinion."

In fact, I'm not seeing any evidence that refutes the PCs status as a legitimate and respectable gaming platform.

The only thing that article proves is that its hard to sell hardcopies of games, it even says the sales numbers don't reflect online distribution, which is a lot more popular than one would think. Plus, wikipedia is the gamerankings of the acedemic world; use at your own peril.

t3hTwinky

Not only that, it uses only US numbers ,while Asia and Europe are more important and constantly growning PC markets. For most non-Asian PC developers, Europe is 70% of whole market. 

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

When did ratings become truth? ratings are base on opinions. Opinions that can not be actual proven; therefore, it is not a fact.

lettuceman44

When you joined Gamespot and decided to post in System Wars that's when.

If I quit my job, and go work for McDonalds. They told me their burgers are best in the world. Does that mean it's true since I work there?

Worst analogy ever.

Shungo I'm not the only one who disagrees with your analogies. They don't make sense in comparison to the video game economic model. Not only that if you don't like how system wars operates then just leave. Post in a Street Fighter III forum and then tell me where I can find one so I can post in it too lol 

The whole "pc gaming is dying" bull was started by console fanboys and is just ludicrous. The market has peaks and valleys. PC Gaming is at the forefront of gaming and offers the most games, from casual to hardcore.

The funny thing is, most people that bash PC Gaming don't even have a gaming rig, or played PC games years ago, which brings absolutely no credibility to the table.

It's no wonder most PC Gamers don't even bother coming here to SW, as it's just a bunch of pc bashing console fanboys, wet behind the ears, still living with mommy and daddy, broke, still in school, and on top of that, think they're hardcore gamers...lol...Nothing but a lot of jealousy, plain and simple.

The only reason to come here, and I mean the only reason, is to be entertained by the most idiotic and naive posts on any gaming forum.

95% of the people on here who bash PC gaming do because they cannot afford a gaming PC. Its all about jealously.

 The remaining 5% who do so should not be considered gamers.

I dunno how consolers can actually bash the machine they are posting with. I find most console games disposable, the skill required is generally low, thats why theres hardly any competition level titles.

Wow, Halo thats like a mediocre, slow motion, moon gravity FPS where a can use a clumsy analogue stick to aim, sign us up for a tourny. Apart from Halo, Madden is the only other comp level game i can think of for consoles. Unless you are at a rare arcade event youll never see an awsome fighting game comp.

I heard PC gaming is still growing every year, (no source though) if it wasn't there wouldn't be new games flooding the platform every year. And poeple seem to have it in their minds that PC gaming is all glossy graphics that will cost you a kidney, successful games on PC live because of deep mechanics, PC gamers drop cheap games quickly. Look at Starcraft and Warcraft 10 years on and still played religiously.

Sure theres more money on the console market, but that because they are more accessable to simple users 

and have generally far lower standards(Wii). PC gaming suffers from its main audience being saavy enough to pirate games easily, PC gamers will rarely pick up single player games, most will only buy if they are forced to get a legit key to play online.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

None taken. I can safely say everything I said in that post is factual with the exception of Counter-strike was the last best game. 

pc gaming is not on life support or if its is so is x360/ps3 since pc has over 4 x the shelf space. pc has more shelf space and nintendo microsoft and ps3 combined at my gaming shops only ps2 out numbers pc gaming.  also if pc gaming isdying why aren't there console internet cafes while you cang o and play pc games at internet cafes all over town?