Weak PC Bashing is getting really old.

[QUOTE="n1ntendorevO"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.shungokustasu

Weak arguement dude.

WoW has 9million+ subscribers thats as many people as people who have bought a 360.

Wow...that is awesome. I think no console game ever sold that much...

he said subs. not how many have bought the game :roll: 

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I don't think anyone can really justifiably bash PC gaming.MOHaashkilla

Im not gonna bash PC games as I was in the top leagues on Medal of Honor SpearHead for pc...Here is where my problems lie with pc gaming...

1...You cant really have friends over and play together splitscreen/coop fun games.

2...When you save your games, its hard to keep your saves from format to format of your hdd and its just not as easy ..TO ME..

3...Every game has different specs that your system has to meet or you take a risk of not getting full visual affects.

4...Consoles are totally PLUG N PLAY...I like to be able to pop a game in and go, not having to worry with installing patches, or updating my graphics card drivers, or tweeking this or that...

5...I LOVE my controller...FACT...I love it. I have been a console gamer since 1980. I have 15 consoles and everyone of them has a controller...I LOVE THEM...Even though I mastered the k/m durring my Medal of Honor days I just love my constroller.

6...I know you can hook a controller up PC , but there you go...having to install a program for it to work, and drivers and configuring all the buttons...I like a console that has all that done for me and also gives a few different choices of the configurations....

These are just a few things that come to mind. I love my pc and im on it all the time...music, movies, downloads, pictures,email, messanger ...ect...ect.... But my gaming is done with my consoles.

blah blah blah

where is split screen in motorstorm or many other recent console games?  all pc sport games play just like console games multiplayer and pc madden supports more players than x360

ever heard of usb memory sticks?  copy past the game save folder, most games now save in my doucments so its no more hasles tna with consoles

blad blah blah, every game than runs on xbox 1 runs on a radeon 8500 and a athlon 1000mhz

putting the disk in once to install is much better than wainting hours for the game to load and having to get the disk out every time you want to play, I could make the plug and play disk if I wanted

pc has controllers and 100s of them, x360 controler, ps2 controller adaptor, saitek, logetch, the list goes on you just plug it in and 5 secs later you are ready to go with no need for a disk, welcome to win 98 if you say you have to install the program with xp its only advanced feature you have to install

before you can convince me console gaming is better explain to me why consoles break so often and cost just as much as a gaming pc and have 1/3 the lenght of the warrenty?

A gaming pc now beats x360/ps3 now or in 2011

About the "for the price of a X360 or PS3, you can just buy a graphics card to make your PC a good gaming machine" retort, you have to consider the rest of the system. For instance, the PC I'm typing this out on, which happens to be the best at my disposal right now: -AMD Athlon XP 1800+ -512 MB DDR-266 (2x256 MB, single-channel) -4x AGP slot (currently occupied by an ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 128 MB) -Creative SoundBlaster Live! Value -60 GB 5,400 RPM IDE/PATA HDD -Windows XP Home Edition SP2 Stuffing a high-end AGP card in this thing would be a waste given the pitiful CPU and RAM. You'd need to replace the ENTIRE SYSTEM to get something capable of running modern games at any worthy framerate, which ought to be around 800 US$ at the very least(and that's stretching it-I'd expect something more like 1500 US$). I may believe that PC gaming is the best, but I won't deny its biggest fault-it's EXPENSIVE.NamelessPlayer

well a $30 sempron and $50 1 gig of ram $50 motherboard and $200 graphics card will turn your system into a good gaming pc, good cpus aren't needed for gaming,  a 2500xp runs oblivion not much worse than a amd64 3400, both high setting with 30fps

[QUOTE="MOHaashkilla"]

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I don't think anyone can really justifiably bash PC gaming.marklarmer

Im not gonna bash PC games as I was in the top leagues on Medal of Honor SpearHead for pc...Here is where my problems lie with pc gaming...

1...You cant really have friends over and play together splitscreen/coop fun games.

2...When you save your games, its hard to keep your saves from format to format of your hdd and its just not as easy ..TO ME..

3...Every game has different specs that your system has to meet or you take a risk of not getting full visual affects.

4...Consoles are totally PLUG N PLAY...I like to be able to pop a game in and go, not having to worry with installing patches, or updating my graphics card drivers, or tweeking this or that...

5...I LOVE my controller...FACT...I love it. I have been a console gamer since 1980. I have 15 consoles and everyone of them has a controller...I LOVE THEM...Even though I mastered the k/m durring my Medal of Honor days I just love my constroller.

6...I know you can hook a controller up PC , but there you go...having to install a program for it to work, and drivers and configuring all the buttons...I like a console that has all that done for me and also gives a few different choices of the configurations....

These are just a few things that come to mind. I love my pc and im on it all the time...music, movies, downloads, pictures,email, messanger ...ect...ect.... But my gaming is done with my consoles.

ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

do you enjoy sending your borken x360 back to m$ getting out the disk every time you want to play,waiting ages for the game to load etc etc?

instead if waiting ages for sony/m$ to fix the console I could go down to my pc store swap the broken componet (which hardly ever happens anyway, I have newr had a broken component) and swap it and come back home and ready to go again. 

the 2 weeks without my ps2 really put me off console gaming, and finding out how cheap a gaming pc can be as well didn't help the cosnole gaming cause.  700nzd in 2004 for a pc than compelty kills ps2 even though its only a r9200 512mb ram and sempron 2400 and I bought if for work and games just happended to work on it.  I never planed my first pc to run games but it did and got me into pc gaming

[QUOTE="MOHaashkilla"]

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I don't think anyone can really justifiably bash PC gaming.n1ntendorevO

Im not gonna bash PC games as I was in the top leagues on Medal of Honor SpearHead for pc...Here is where my problems lie with pc gaming...

1...You cant really have friends over and play together splitscreen/coop fun games.

2...When you save your games, its hard to keep your saves from format to format of your hdd and its just not as easy ..TO ME..

3...Every game has different specs that your system has to meet or you take a risk of not getting full visual affects.

4...Consoles are totally PLUG N PLAY...I like to be able to pop a game in and go, not having to worry with installing patches, or updating my graphics card drivers, or tweeking this or that...

5...I LOVE my controller...FACT...I love it. I have been a console gamer since 1980. I have 15 consoles and everyone of them has a controller...I LOVE THEM...Even though I mastered the k/m durring my Medal of Honor days I just love my constroller.

6...I know you can hook a controller up PC , but there you go...having to install a program for it to work, and drivers and configuring all the buttons...I like a console that has all that done for me and also gives a few different choices of the configurations....

These are just a few things that come to mind. I love my pc and im on it all the time...music, movies, downloads, pictures,email, messanger ...ect...ect.... But my gaming is done with my consoles.

So Consoles are easier to play?

Just Pick up and play correct?

So its more Casual and easy going?

So its more for casual gamers?

exactly, on average consoles = causal pc = hardcore

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

milsvaard

Installing and upgrading hassle? I think you just proved that Hermits are smarter than console gamers.

putting in a new gpu to have you games run maxed out @ 60+fps is very sastifying whikle previous you had med with 30fps, while console upgrade don't make you old games run way better or look way better

When i play on my consoles i get to playe in HD, unlike when i play games on the PC

:lol:

my 17" monitor has more pixels than x360 games do in 720p 1280x1024>1280x768 :lol:, pc games have ben hd for years

 

 

 

 

 

jk

Ventana

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]ah...but you forget that hermits think they are more intellegent than console gamers, which is why they ignore all the facts about installing hassle and upgrading rather than accepting it as a major turn-off in PC gaming.

Installation "hassle"?

You mean clicking "next" until the game is installed?

And removing one video card and then jamming in another?

And the increased performance from having the game installed on the hard drive instead of having to read it all directly from the disc?

Its not rocket science...

marklarmer

so your calling me stupid...

i meant more in terms of upgrading your processor which is inevitable. maybe installing a graphics card isnt very hard, but theres still the hassle of having to buy one.

its foar less hasle going down to the pc shop than going two week with no gaming machine as in my case with ps2.  ram and gpu are all you HAVE TO UPGRADE more than once every 6-7 years, cpus don't do mcuh in games, some undo 2 screws, pull out old grapihcs card puch in new one or puch in more ram with no need to remove since there are many ram slots

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="n1ntendorevO"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.heretrix

:lol:

Dude, please. PC's will outlast console gaming if it ever came down to it. As long as there is a PC in your home, somebody will make a game to play on it. And PCs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

PS2 won last gen base on sales. PS1 won the gen before. Nintendo won the gen before that. However, when it comes to PC you don't win by sales, it goes by AAA games rated on Gamespot. sales are proving data that can be factual statements. Ratings are nothing more then a personal preference of a game. I gave nothing but factual statments about how PC is dead last since 1985, and will continue to be so. Also, in theory if it's PC vs. Console wouldn't the AAA count be...

PC = 69
Console = 126

Another Weak Point. I guess I'll be typing all night.

Well if you want to do it that way my 800 dollar computer looks cheap compared to your 6 systems that cost you $2,000+ at launch and you can only play games.

So your talking about Sales. So your saying more gaming consoles are sold per year then PCs. Good joke.

Being the cheapest doesn't justify that you won. More gaming consoles are sold than gaming PCs. Why do you want to play that game? You making you argument look weak. Also, I don't know if you know this, but the PS3 can do just about anything the PC can. 

where are the sales of 6600/7600/8600/x700/x1600/x1650 vs x360 proff?  if more gpus are soldpc wins

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]No need to bash the PC anymore. Doom 3, and the last great game they ever had was Counter-Strike. Also, Console has been winning the war since 1985. Even when Doom/Duke Nukem hype hit mainstream, it still couldn't win. What more ownage is that? PC gaming was on life support a long time ago.AfterShafter

:lol:

Dude, please. PC's will outlast console gaming if it ever came down to it. As long as there is a PC in your home, somebody will make a game to play on it. And PCs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

more like it will be a home enterainment pc build by m$

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

This is nonsense since you don't need a gaming PC to play PC games. ALL PCs have the potential to play PC games and some PC games don't need specialized video cards to play them. You do realize that the casual games market existed YEARS before the Wii? My mom has been playing casual games on her PCs since the early 90's..

 

shungokustasu

You know you lost the argument, when you count your Mom playing casual games.

I think I've bested you, honestly. No offense, but I beat out your life support theory, by a mile. PC gaming is dominating emerging markets, and is still huge with gamers and developers.

If that's life support, what isn't for you?

I'm not saying it's dead, but compare to console PC gaming looks very bleak. I made a post awhile back, but I seriously think Blizzard Starcraft 2 move was to try to bring PC gaming back to life. 

so explain the huge steam sales then.  steam = over 1/3 of TOTAL pc sale

It's not only me that's saying it's on life support. Epic also said it. shungokustasu

Oh so Epic's opinions are facts huh.:roll:

[QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

The only possibly valid points for pc bashing are : Price, Ease of Use. With that being said......

It sure does cost a few measly bucks more, and it may be harder to get it up and running. But I'm tough, and it's worth it. Unlike some others here...... I like to ENJOY MY HOBBIES TO THE FULLEST.

Analogy Time: I like to skateboard for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from the skate shop, take it home and build it, then i RIDE!! Naturally, the good stuff costs more and it takes a little while to set up the board. I could always just go to Target and buy a complete *nash* skateboard for $20 and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something that I like to do for fun.

Analogy Time: I also like to build and race RC cars for fun. Whenever I need new equipment, I purchase the good stuff from my local hobby shop. I get home, put together the parts, test my servos, clean my motors and etc......I could always just go to toys r us and pick up a prebuilt tyco car and get by just fine (for a little while) but I won't. I like to have maximum fun with my hobby, theres no way im cheaping out on something I like to do for fun.

Gaming itself is ALSO a hobby, a priveledge. k?

Now I can understand that some of you dont want to afford, or dont want to know how to set up a gaming pc, and that fine, but its your loss, and I truly feel sorry for some of you. You don't know what your missing. I really wish that I could afford to buy everyone a gaming pc (because I know you all would GLADY take it)

I fully understand what the pc offers and I am reaping the rewards of enjoying the maximum fun offered by THE MOST ADVANCED GAMING PLATFORM AVAILABLE.

Ages 14 and under, the financially stressed, and the generally lazy need not apply.

(p.s. just like nash skateboards and tyco rc cars, you can find consoles at target and toys r us )

lettuceman44

Oh and btw, I'm 14, and if I can figure this stuff out, building a rig, sorting out the tweaks, and overclocking, I'm pretty sure a lot of you other people can too, if you take the time to learn(only took me a few days, half hr a day) 

all so true if you do a bit of research first, you can get a very decent pc for the price of ps3 or c360 for that matter

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"] well you are being a hypocrite. Shungo I'm a loser. You say something that epic said, and you use that as fact, then you say that gamespot is opinions.
t3hTwinky

No, what is better or worst is subjective. People will always have differences in those aspect. What Epic is saying is that the making money in the PC is harder to do than in the console business. That's a fact that Epic can tell you. So, when a developer says that there is more money in the console business, and PC is slowly decreasing in sales, that is an actual fact.

Prove it.

Actually, don't bother, because I know exacly what you're going to do anyway. You're going to go on wikipedia, to the atricle about the decline of PC gaming, and post it as fact. 

The only thing that article proves is that its hard to sell hardcopies of games, it even says the sales numbers don't reflect online distribution, which is a lot more popular than one would think. Plus, wikipedia is the gamerankings of the acedemic world; use at your own peril.

Or you were just going to sit there and hope nobody noticed you said that without providing any proof. Either or.

Not only that, but a surefire way to lose a debate is to have evidence presented against your argument, then try to refute it by playing it off as "opinion."

In fact, I'm not seeing any evidence that refutes the PCs status as a legitimate and respectable gaming platform.

calling wikapedia fact is like calling something out of your head fact

The whole "pc gaming is dying" bull was started by console fanboys and is just ludicrous. The market has peaks and valleys. PC Gaming is at the forefront of gaming and offers the most games, from casual to hardcore.

The funny thing is, most people that bash PC Gaming don't even have a gaming rig, or played PC games years ago, which brings absolutely no credibility to the table.

It's no wonder most PC Gamers don't even bother coming here to SW, as it's just a bunch of pc bashing console fanboys, wet behind the ears, still living with mommy and daddy, broke, still in school, and on top of that, think they're hardcore gamers...lol...Nothing but a lot of jealousy, plain and simple.

The only reason to come here, and I mean the only reason, is to be entertained by the most idiotic and naive posts on any gaming forum.

mismajor99

all so true funny how x360 is basicly a closed pc now with all its upgrade and downladable content just like pc with out upgradability

95% of the people on here who bash PC gaming do because they cannot afford a gaming PC. Its all about jealously.

 The remaining 5% who do so should not be considered gamers.

tenaka2

only because they go to dell or hp, if you can afford a ps3/x360 you can afford a gaming pc.  a sempron with 1gig ram gf 8600gt 160gig hdd dvd writter costs less than x360 and would run all new games fine or for the price of ps3 mad 64 4600x2, 2b ram, 7900gs or maybe even a 8800gts 320, 320gb hdd dvd writter

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]

The whole "pc gaming is dying" bull was started by console fanboys and is just ludicrous. The market has peaks and valleys. PC Gaming is at the forefront of gaming and offers the most games, from casual to hardcore.

The funny thing is, most people that bash PC Gaming don't even have a gaming rig, or played PC games years ago, which brings absolutely no credibility to the table.

It's no wonder most PC Gamers don't even bother coming here to SW, as it's just a bunch of pc bashing console fanboys, wet behind the ears, still living with mommy and daddy, broke, still in school, and on top of that, think they're hardcore gamers...lol...Nothing but a lot of jealousy, plain and simple.

The only reason to come here, and I mean the only reason, is to be entertained by the most idiotic and naive posts on any gaming forum.

imprezawrx500

all so true funny how x360 is basicly a closed pc now with all its upgrade and downladable content just like pc with out upgradability

And functionality.