Well I tried Both Xbox Live and PSN. My review inside.
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wow.. fanboys are just wow...
I ahve both PSN & XBL... but i wills ay this... XBL is a Service & worth the money & PSN... it just there.
How is PSN inferior?
Cause it lags? Thats your problem not the service
Doesnt have movies ? Sony is making a deal with there movie division, Netflix, and Blockbuster to bring Movies to the PSN. Also Sony's Music division is bringing music to the PSN.
Plus with "Home" coming up, many companies are going to embrass it and advertise in "Home"
PSN is going to be better than XBL
charging for gamerpics and themes is ridiculous. Who actually wastes money on them?6matt6
I had some small amount of gamerpoints that I couldn't rid, so I bought a single gamer pic from condemned which squared me at a zero.
It's hard to play any of these games without taking a bunch of abuse at one time or another, ESPECIALLY GEARS.
PSN is going to be better than XBL
Sony_92
I disagree.
PSN doesnt have awesome Gaming news in videos, it doesnt have exclusive cover of e3, TGS, DICE, ect... there is no Game with Fame.
PSN is just a network, XBL is a Service. the money we pay goes to so many things that support the xbl community.
[QUOTE="Sony_92"]PSN is going to be better than XBL
RoboThreat
I disagree.
PSN doesnt have awesome Gaming news in videos, it doesnt have exclusive cover of e3, TGS, DICE, ect... there is no Game with Fame.
PSN is just a network, XBL is a Service. the money we pay goes to so many things that support the xbl community.
Yes. PSN is good. It plays games and supports voice chat, but Live does the extra stuff, but both are really good IMO. They get about the same amount of lags for me.
[QUOTE="Sony_92"]PSN is going to be better than XBL
RoboThreat
I disagree.
PSN doesnt have awesome Gaming news in videos, it doesnt have exclusive cover of e3, TGS, DICE, ect... there is no Game with Fame.
PSN is just a network, XBL is a Service. the money we pay goes to so many things that support the xbl community.
Thats why "Home" is coming, You get trophies and you get to show them off.
Plus there are E3 , gdc videos
Crysis looks better than PSN and XBL.Pro_wrestler
i lol'd
psn--- Wait at a loading screen to download demo's, etc. small library of online games!
Xbx--- Play while downloading stuff.
[QUOTE="RoboThreat"][QUOTE="Sony_92"]PSN is going to be better than XBL
Sony_92
I disagree.
PSN doesnt have awesome Gaming news in videos, it doesnt have exclusive cover of e3, TGS, DICE, ect... there is no Game with Fame.
PSN is just a network, XBL is a Service. the money we pay goes to so many things that support the xbl community.
Thats why "Home" is coming, You get trophies and you get to show them off.
Plus there are E3 , gdc videos
ok... so the only Video i have seen close to that was the GT Awards at SEMA Video. i Dont see any E3 videos, TGS, GDC...
ok HOME will be good, but it will not compare to XBL.
1) there are SOOO many gamerpics and themes that are free, stop trying to make it like everything costs money
2) Im sorry, but contrary to popular belief, I've had so much more games where after it was "good game" and then leave lobby then "LOL YO MOM IS FAT" and then leave lobby.
I can't believe what you say, therefore I don't agree with your judgement on the PSN either, although personally I have never tried it, but still prefer XBL
[QUOTE="dragon_master11"]I then went back to Xbox live and started swearing at everyone I met. Made me feel better.
jetpropilot
1) Looks at avatar. Dismisses opinion.
2) I have to pay for the "privilege" of playing with people like you? No way.
what's wrong with his avatar? :|
[QUOTE="jetpropilot"][QUOTE="dragon_master11"]I then went back to Xbox live and started swearing at everyone I met. Made me feel better.
Rogers_Wireless
1) Looks at avatar. Dismisses opinion.
2) I have to pay for the "privilege" of playing with people like you? No way.
what's wrong with his avatar? :|
i'll give you a hint
it's a green x ........
psn--- Wait at a loading screen to download demo's, etc. small library of online games!
Xbx--- Play while downloading stuff.
_Peoples_Champ_
lmfao best sig ever!!!
[QUOTE="sainraja"][QUOTE="heretrix"]You seem to completely miss the point. My comments were responses to previous posts.[QUOTE="sainraja"]
If there is lag, it's barely noticeable.....personally, I haven't lagged at all in any Warhawk game I have been in or Burnout Paradise for that matter......I said barely because nothing is lag free 100%. Live isn't either....but you can criticize Live since people are PAYING for it.
"Paying for extra bowlers in that bowling game on PSN is ridiculous"...And so is paying for horse armor......in Oblivion. That feature isn't exclusive to the PS3. =P
Microsoft charges for online and does the same thing while Sony doesn't charge for online and hopes to make money through other means WHICH are optional. No one asked you buy those "extra" bowlers. You don't need them to play the game. You need to pay Microsoft money to play online. There is no other way around it....Gold members should perhaps get a discount or get those for free.
heretrix
1. "PSN is lag free". I call BS on this and you tell me it's barely noticeable. Like I said, "Lag free" means NO LAG AT ALL. You can't have it both ways. Not only that but I'm experiencing lag on a fiber connection.
2. I know about the Oblivion Horse Armor. But you seem to overlook the fact that the post I was responding to said "You have to pay for a lot of stuff on XBL" I was mearly pointing out that developers with content on PSN can and will be just as ridiculous and greedy. See Motorstorm.
But Motorstorm developers have also provided cars for free. It's a first party game, those downloadable packs are optional downloads for users and provide Sony with some money....but you know the best part? You don't need to download those to PLAY with others. They have also went out of their way to fix the game even further without the reviews changing. They were aware of that but they improved the online experience WITHOUT any charge to us.
They should have released content for free concidering how little content they gave you in the first place. But once again, you completely miss the point and continue to argue about a comment you completely misunderstood.No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
ok you must not own a ps3 because you can select the DL content to preform in the background while you play games browse internet fold@home come on guys enough with the fanboy crap if you dont own both systems dont post lies the only time you got to wait at a DL screen is when you install the game to play which takes around maybe 3 min or less depending on how big the game file is if it is a Demo thats the only time guys dont go all fanboy xbl is better but PSN isnt crap like you say you wanna talk crap bash the Wii but then again my Wii has internet browse as well what did my 360 have that no PC took my 360s placepsn--- Wait at a loading screen to download demo's, etc. small library of online games!
Xbx--- Play while downloading stuff.
_Peoples_Champ_
My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
sainraja
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
So theres my little comparison
xbl-8.5
psn-7.5
[QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
heretrix
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
sainraja
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
You know what im pretty sure you havent use xbl but once you use you can instantly tell the difference. Just the shear amount of content and support every game gets be it a downloadable or retail is worth it. In-game invites are not intergrated into a console that is part of the service. xbl is not just gold its silver alright, just because psn doesnt have it doesnt mean it can't be included with the comparison.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
sainraja
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
You are wasting your time.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
sainraja
In-game invites exits only for Gold members as it applies to online gameplay.
- The same applies to the 2 levels of matchmaking:
- Preference-based, using things like Gamerzone, Rep and Feedback. Available to Silver also, but it doesn't really mean anything to them since they can't play with others online.
- Skill-based, using MS's TrueSkill system. Again, useful only to Gold subscribers.
- Speaking of feedback, there's a whole international team that monitors all the feedback and anonymously joins sessions to police the system.
- Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles. Silver has no stake in keeping cheaters and modders out.
- Calendar of events like Family Game Night, Ladies Night, Prime Time and Game With Fame
That's plenty for me.
Crysis looks better than PSN and XBL.Pro_wrestler
First of...hahahahahhahahah.
and secondly dragon master..dont talk like that. On xbl you should pretty much go yo mama $%^& %^&^ #&#&##&(#(#)*#**&^^&*####@@@@
That usually makes you seem like a Bad### to the 12 year old kids that play...as for PSN you can talk about how much money you save for games that are always right around the corner but never really appear. In other words you can play the wait game
[QUOTE="sainraja"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
ofx360
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
You know what im pretty sure you havent use xbl but once you use you can instantly tell the difference. Just the shear amount of content and support every game gets be it a downloadable or retail is worth it. In-game invites are not intergrated into a console that is part of the service. xbl is not just gold its silver alright, just because psn doesnt have it doesnt mean it can't be included with the comparison.
I have used it for Gears of War and Halo 3. I tried Halo 3 online at a friends house though. I signed up for three months for Live........I have since sold my 360 and don't have it anymore. If you want to check, my username for Live was the same as it is here.
[QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"][QUOTE="jetpropilot"][QUOTE="dragon_master11"]I then went back to Xbox live and started swearing at everyone I met. Made me feel better.
jetpropilot
1) Looks at avatar. Dismisses opinion.
2) I have to pay for the "privilege" of playing with people like you? No way.
what's wrong with his avatar? :|
i'll give you a hint
it's a green x ........
so what? :|
[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="sainraja"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
sainraja
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
You know what im pretty sure you havent use xbl but once you use you can instantly tell the difference. Just the shear amount of content and support every game gets be it a downloadable or retail is worth it. In-game invites are not intergrated into a console that is part of the service. xbl is not just gold its silver alright, just because psn doesnt have it doesnt mean it can't be included with the comparison.
I have used it for Gears of War and Halo 3. I tried Halo 3 online at a friends house though. I signed up for three months for Live........I have since sold my 360 and don't have it anymore. If you want to check, my username for Live was the same as it is here.
Na i dont care that much but wat do you mean by "intergrated in the console" cause I think its not intergrated if you have to sign in to use it. Then its a part of the service which would then in turn make the service (xbl) better
That advantage will be gone once in-game XMB is added to the PS3 OS and Sony has confirmed that it is coming this year. The service will still be free.
I am not saying Microsoft shouldn't charge, by all means they should, but they need to give us better reasons for doing so.
[QUOTE="sainraja"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="sainraja"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="sainraja"]My 2 original points:No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You were stating the obvious. Everyone should know by now that BOTH consoles offer downloadable content. That isn't exclusive to any console, even the Wii provides that with their VC games.
Microsoft charges for online and at the same time charges consumers for Live. Microsoft was the one who wanted to charge for those Gears maps, not Epic.
On the other hand, Sony does not charge for online. They make some of that through downloadable content such as downloadable car packs for their first party games....which are optional and not buying those doesn't prevent anyone from playing online.
Also, they did release that content for free. The patches added a timer, better headset support, more modes such as Time Attack for free. We didn't pay for that. Downloadable cars are not features that were complained about in reviews. No reviewer takes points off for downloadable content not being available early.....going by that GTA4 will score lower on the 360 since it won't have DLC day one.
ofx360
1. There is lag on PSN. There is. End of story
2.You have to pay for stuff on PSN. You do. End of story part 2.
That's all. All that other crap you bring up is beside the point. My 2 original comments are 100 percent true. I really don't care what your opinion is about PSN or live for that matter. I have them both and you certainly aren't going to change my mind about either of them.
1. That lag doesn't take away anything from the service. Just like Live.
2. No kidding, but you don't have to pay for online.
That is all true, END OF STORY.
All that other crap is not beside the point. Paying stuff on PSN is not a disadvantage PSN has compared to Live since Live has that too!
Or did you not notice, this thread is talking about advantages and disadvantages between the two services. No one has addressed any of the points I have made.
What exactly does Live offer that is an advantage LIVE has over PSN, not the console, but the service itself? Please, enlighten me.
Like I have previously said, in-game invites, messaging/chat are integrated in the console. Those features are available to Silver members (some they can use, some they can't, but they are available.) Those are not advantages Live has over PSN. Those are advantages the 360 has over PS3 at the moment and that will change. Those are not long term advantages even if you want to count it. Main point is, you are not paying for that, you are paying to play others. Stop trying to justify paying for a service that could be provided to you free. If Microsoft wants to charge, they should provide a better reason for it. If they feel so confident in their service, they should offer other incentives for subscribing and offer basic only play for free, hell.....don't allow Silver members to use a headset if you have to! It will be a lot better than it is set-up now in my opinion. I am only talking about Microsoft's subscription plan, not the service. The subscription plan is Live's disadvantage as I see it.
Main thing people want to do when it comes to gaming online is being able to play others. PSN allows that right now without a barrier with dedicated servers for some games and whether you like it or not, it's a good service which does what it's intended to do and will expand in the future. I guess the only "benefit" it doesn't have, is a payment to Sony that acts as a barrier to online play.
You know what im pretty sure you havent use xbl but once you use you can instantly tell the difference. Just the shear amount of content and support every game gets be it a downloadable or retail is worth it. In-game invites are not intergrated into a console that is part of the service. xbl is not just gold its silver alright, just because psn doesnt have it doesnt mean it can't be included with the comparison.
I have used it for Gears of War and Halo 3. I tried Halo 3 online at a friends house though. I signed up for three months for Live........I have since sold my 360 and don't have it anymore. If you want to check, my username for Live was the same as it is here.
Na i dont care that much but wat do you mean by "intergrated in the console" cause I think its not intergrated if you have to sign in to use it. Then its a part of the service which would then in turn make the service (xbl) better
Silver members can read/write text messages can't they in game? They can also log on to the marketplace, just can't play others. Deny it all you want, Live has it because the system supports it. When you sign-up for Live there is nothing to download that adds "those" features.
It is an advantage that the 360 has, the console. Not the service.....but that is not my point. I am only highlighting this to get another point across.
Cows keep saying these things are going to get fixed in PSN and they keep staying the same. So maybe you should evaluate things as they are not how they might be in some undetermined point in the future.
JiveT
Nothing needs to fixed regarding online play, perhaps some features need to be added such as in-game invites and such but some games already do that, but tell me.....how is that going to help me win an online game? hmm?
@VoodHawk - Whether it's useful to Silver members or not is besides the point and it really doesn't matter. Those features are part of the OS. If Live was free, Silver members wouldn't need to download anything to ENABLE those features or use them. They are available to you since they are part of the console. Not the service. Those features enhance the Live experience but that is not what you guys are paying for. It's simply a justification you guys have for paying for the service. What I am trying to do here is make a point, that Live can be free, Microsoft can come up with better ways to justify the cost but I don't think "in-game invites, messaging etc" count as a justification.That advantage will be gone once in-game XMB is added to the PS3 OS and Sony has confirmed that it is coming this year. The service will still be free.
I am not saying Microsoft shouldn't charge, by all means they should, but they need to give us better reasons for doing so.
Silver members can read/write text messages can't they in game? They can also log on to the marketplace, just can't play others. Deny it all you want, Live has it because the system supports it. When you sign-up for Live there is nothing to download that adds "those" features.It is an advantage that the 360 has, the console. Not the service.....but that is not my point. I am only highlighting this to get another point across.
sainraja
Whether they are part of the OS or not is immaterial if you can only access those features only with a Gold account. Those reasons are plenty of reasons. Yes, they ARE part of the service because they have to turn it on on the backend for you to access.
The backend process that make cross-game invites work are NOT part of the OS.
Setting your gamerzone can be done on Silver, no problem. But the logic that actually looks at gamerzone, and calculates rep and feedback run through the XBL network, so are NOT part of the OS.
Both levels of matchmaking are services through XBL. Unless those algorithms reside on every 360, it is NOT part of the OS.
This advantage may not mean much only if in-game XMB and Home can match all the features that XBL Gold currently has. Right now, functionality of these leaves more questions than answers.
And it's not like XBL will be stagnant until those things launch.
[QUOTE="sainraja"]@VoodHawk - Whether it's useful to Silver members or not is besides the point and it really doesn't matter. Those features are part of the OS. If Live was free, Silver members wouldn't need to download anything to ENABLE those features or use them. They are available to you since they are part of the console. Not the service. Those features enhance the Live experience but that is not what you guys are paying for. It's simply a justification you guys have for paying for the service. What I am trying to do here is make a point, that Live can be free, Microsoft can come up with better ways to justify the cost but I don't think "in-game invites, messaging etc" count as a justification.That advantage will be gone once in-game XMB is added to the PS3 OS and Sony has confirmed that it is coming this year. The service will still be free.
I am not saying Microsoft shouldn't charge, by all means they should, but they need to give us better reasons for doing so.
Silver members can read/write text messages can't they in game? They can also log on to the marketplace, just can't play others. Deny it all you want, Live has it because the system supports it. When you sign-up for Live there is nothing to download that adds "those" features.It is an advantage that the 360 has, the console. Not the service.....but that is not my point. I am only highlighting this to get another point across.
VoodooHak
Whether they are part of the OS or not is immaterial if you can only access those features only with a Gold account. Those reasons are plenty of reasons. Yes, they ARE part of the service because they have to turn it on on the backend for you to access.
The backend process that make cross-game invites work are NOT part of the OS.
Setting your gamerzone can be done on Silver, no problem. But the logic that actually looks at gamerzone, and calculates rep and feedback run through the XBL network, so are NOT part of the OS.
Both levels of matchmaking are services through XBL. Unless those algorithms reside on every 360, it is NOT part of the OS.
This advantage may not mean much only if in-game XMB and Home can match all the features that XBL Gold currently has. Right now, functionality of these leaves more questions than answers.
And it's not like XBL will be stagnant until those things launch.
That's great then, now they only need to make basic online play free and offer those features as "benefits" for being a Live member if it is already set-up that way but we know Microsoft won't do that.....so you are right about that and I stand corrected but people are not paying for Live because of that. I'll admit it definitely enhances the service but people are paying for it because they want to play others so my main point still stands. If Microsoft is that confident about those features, then it's time to see basic online play free. Their competitor already does that....and will soon have most of the other features which will make Live look less and less attractive.
But I never said Live as a service was a bad one. I just said it should have online play for free.....and I was also saying that PSN isn't as bad as some people in this thread are trying to make it out to be because when it comes to down to competing with someone else online you don't need text messaging or in-game invites.....so PSN already allows people to do that (play others online) and it does that pretty well....which is where the topic creator failed in his comparison.
Crysis looks better than PSN and XBL.Pro_wrestler
LOL
[QUOTE="MrPostman4Chi"]Live is only $50 dollars a year and you guys act like its $50 a month or sumthing.You pay $50 one time and wont have to worry about paying for a a whole year.I mean whats $50 a year???I mean i wish it was free too just like i wish everything in this word is free but $50 a year isnt bad at all.Like i said before i would rather pay $200 a year to use XBL then to only be able to use PSN for online gaming.
Paddy345
Then you are a complete fanboy, PSN is lag free, playing online for free with no lag is great, only thing live has over psn is features but i just wanna play online for free and buy content seperately, in live you have to pay to play and then pay more for content, noone is more gullible than you people
then you are a fanboy... psn lag free?! wow.
Live is only $50 dollars a year and you guys act like its $50 a month or sumthing.You pay $50 one time and wont have to worry about paying for a a whole year.I mean whats $50 a year???I mean i wish it was free too just like i wish everything in this word is free but $50 a year isnt bad at all.Like i said before i would rather pay $200 a year to use XBL then to only be able to use PSN for online gaming.
MrPostman4Chi
I hear what your saying, I just bought my 1st renewal. The first one cost me 50 bucks and it was for 13 months again I paid 50 bucks and its for 13 months. Do you understand that this breaks down to just under $4 a month. I'm sure there's enough of us out there that spend 4 bucks or more on less interesting/important things a month and don't even think about it. 4 dollars for a cup of coffee from Starbucks, when McDonald's coffee is $2. Hell buy coffee and brew it at home and it'll cost you 5 bucks a month instead of 2 bucks a day! I have know people to do that 2 bucks a day on coffee... I honestly wouldn't mind if PSN charged.. If they got there heads out of the sand and made the PSN memorable and practical like XBL I would start using it... Of course once the games started coming out :P
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