Well that took them long enough: BlazBlue GS Review

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Yea that's what I thought. I tend to abuse Sword Iris though, it's fun to cast lightning.

Saw a somewhat decent Rachel online and he used the wind a lot to his advantage, didn't think of that :P

siLVURcross

Yea, she is a pretty tough character, I think he should have tried noel or jin, they are a bit easier.

Taokaka is crazy annoying if you learn her well, her attacks main purpose is to confuse and she is really fast. Personally I'm rachel main and ragna second.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea, she is a pretty tough character, I think he should have tried noel or jin, they are a bit easier.

Espada12

Taokaka is crazy annoying if you learn her well, her attacks main purpose is to confuse and she is really fast. Personally I'm rachel main and ragna second.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea, she is a pretty tough character, I think he should have tried noel or jin, they are a bit easier.

Espada12

Taokaka is crazy annoying if you learn her well, her attacks main purpose is to confuse and she is really fast. Personally I'm rachel main and ragna second.

Her grab super where she claws the mess out of you is crazy :|

Ugh...Ragna's, so many of them online. I'm getting sick of my health being constantly drained :PsiLVURcross

I got used to him since my friend mains him so I have alot of pratice against him, noel (another friend mains this one) and jin(another mains this one :lol: ) I chose rachel cause she looked fun, but she one of the tougher characters by far. One more thing I'm suprised they didn't mention is the theme music with bangs super. I literally rofled when that started playing.

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Ugh...Ragna's, so many of them online. I'm getting sick of my health being constantly drained :PEspada12

I got used to him since my friend mains him so I have alot of pratice against him, noel (another friend mains this one) and jin(another mains this one :lol:) I chose rachel cause she looked fun, but she one of the tougher characters by far. One more thing I'm suprised they didn't mention is the theme music with bangs super. I literally rofled when that started playing.

Oh yeah because Drive Spamming Noel with mix ups, cross ups, and mashing in supers is really difficult lol. The games timing is not as strict as SFIV's. Hell I didn't even want this to be a SFIV vs Button Bash Blue thread but hey you wanted it. Button Bash Blue's timing is in no way as strict as SFIV's. Where you need to have strictly timed links in SFIV like Guilty Gear Button Bash uses chains. You just dial along the button or mash in your inputs for very forgiving results.

Hell pulling off an Inferno Divider on all three parts you can be mad sloppy with it and it still comes out. I'll get destroyed against anyone? lol yeah okay. Drive Tech with Noel and if you've pretty much made it a freaking guessing game on their defense where you can go for huge damage.

Ken Fighter IV? Haha now those noobs are the ones that anyone can beat.

The__Havoc

Noel's drive has tons of delay that gives the opponent plenty of time to dive in and punish the hell out of the player. Spamming against someone who knows what they're doing is futile.

In Ken Fighter IV you just spam projectiles and win, or if you're playing Ken Fighter IV: The Third Zangief you just throw throw throw for insta-win.

Too late, I already lost interest in a review coming from them when I got the game.

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Oh yeah because Drive Spamming Noel with mix ups, cross ups, and mashing in supers is really difficult lol. The games timing is not as strict as SFIV's. Hell I didn't even want this to be a SFIV vs Button Bash Blue thread but hey you wanted it. Button Bash Blue's timing is in no way as strict as SFIV's. Where you need to have strictly timed links in SFIV like Guilty Gear Button Bash uses chains. You just dial along the button or mash in your inputs for very forgiving results.

Hell pulling off an Inferno Divider on all three parts you can be mad sloppy with it and it still comes out. I'll get destroyed against anyone? lol yeah okay. Drive Tech with Noel and if you've pretty much made it a freaking guessing game on their defense where you can go for huge damage.

Ken Fighter IV? Haha now those noobs are the ones that anyone can beat.

-Skyfall

Noel's drive has tons of delay that gives the opponent plenty of time to dive in and punish the hell out of the player. Spamming against someone who knows what they're doing is futile.

In Ken Fighter IV you just spam projectiles and win, or if you're playing Ken Fighter IV: The Third Zangief you just throw throw throw for insta-win.

And explain to me why you would just walk up and start spamming drive? What next you gonna tell me to walk up to someone in SFIV and SRK them with Ken lol. Also gives them enough time to dive and punish the hell out of the player? Um why would anyone start using Noel's Drive attack at a distance where an opponent can dive at them :|

You just need to look for the openings and once you get in Drive Spam boom. They either have to grab you in between Drives or know when to back off after certain drives but like I said this is a guessing game if the Noel user is good enough at mixing up as she can throwing a Guile like Flash kick, a cross up shoulder smash from behind, a point blank pistol shot or a hulligan esc grab type move. Just mash your Drive and finish off with the mix up.

Not only that if you hit D. Drive she gets that elevated arching gun swing and that will knock a diving opponent out of the air and then you can just drive mash as usual.

In Ken fighter you spam projectiles and win? LOL. Ken can't even throw projectiles worth a **** because his release is so slow and if you're just gonna spam thanks for giving your opponent a free ultra. Not to mention FB spamming isn't possible with Ken period.

Zangief you just throw throw throw throw. Well that's the opponents stupid fault for getting that close. You don't see me saying all you need to do with Iron Tager is Throw Throw Throw especially when his super does 70% damage :|

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Oh yeah because Drive Spamming Noel with mix ups, cross ups, and mashing in supers is really difficult lol. The games timing is not as strict as SFIV's. Hell I didn't even want this to be a SFIV vs Button Bash Blue thread but hey you wanted it. Button Bash Blue's timing is in no way as strict as SFIV's. Where you need to have strictly timed links in SFIV like Guilty Gear Button Bash uses chains. You just dial along the button or mash in your inputs for very forgiving results.

Hell pulling off an Inferno Divider on all three parts you can be mad sloppy with it and it still comes out. I'll get destroyed against anyone? lol yeah okay. Drive Tech with Noel and if you've pretty much made it a freaking guessing game on their defense where you can go for huge damage.

Ken Fighter IV? Haha now those noobs are the ones that anyone can beat.

-Skyfall

Noel's drive has tons of delay that gives the opponent plenty of time to dive in and punish the hell out of the player. Spamming against someone who knows what they're doing is futile.

In Ken Fighter IV you just spam projectiles and win, or if you're playing Ken Fighter IV: The Third Zangief you just throw throw throw for insta-win.

I can agree with this here, noel's opening drive attacks have delay (playing against a noel player constantly helps in understanding her), the opener on it is very slow and you can punish the player unless they link it in without using the drive first, also you can block then throw her before she uses ----> C to throw her spinning gun on you. Another thing that stops noels drive attacks when you are block is light punch :p

I can agree with this here, noel's opening drive attacks have delay (playing against a noel player constantly helps in understanding her), the opener on it is very slow and you can punish the player unless they link it in without using the drive first, also you can block then throw her before she uses ----> C to throw her spinning gun on you. Another thing that stops noels drive attacks when you are block is light punch :p

Espada12

And this is why you don't just walk up to someone and start mashing Drive with Noel. I mean you wouldn't just walk up to someone and hit SRK with Ken would you :|

Her opening Drive is slow but thats why you are supposed to "CHAIN" into it (Links lol?) Also the D. Drive has a faster start up and will take opponents out of the air too. Perfect to use when you have someone in the corner and want to really put on the pressure. Hell you can even cancel into super off them.

Ugh...Ragna's, so many of them online. I'm getting sick of my health being constantly drained :PsiLVURcross

There are? Dammit, Im maiing him and Im actually quite good.... now Im having second thoughts :P

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I can agree with this here, noel's opening drive attacks have delay (playing against a noel player constantly helps in understanding her), the opener on it is very slow and you can punish the player unless they link it in without using the drive first, also you can block then throw her before she uses ----> C to throw her spinning gun on you. Another thing that stops noels drive attacks when you are block is light punch :p

The__Havoc

And this is why you don't just walk up to someone and start mashing Drive with Noel. I mean you wouldn't just walk up to someone and hit SRK with Ken would you :|

Her opening Drive is slow but thats why you are supposed to "CHAIN" into it (Links lol?) Also the D. Drive has a faster start up and will take opponents out of the air too. Perfect to use when you have someone in the corner and want to really put on the pressure. Hell you can even cancel into super off them.

You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

And explain to me why you would just walk up and start spamming drive? What next you gonna tell me to walk up to someone in SFIV and SRK them with Ken lol. Also gives them enough time to dive and punish the hell out of the player? Um why would anyone start using Noel's Drive attack at a distance where an opponent can dive at them :|

You just need to look for the openings and once you get in Drive Spam boom. They either have to grab you in between Drives or know when to back off after certain drives but like I said this is a guessing game if the Noel user is good enough at mixing up as she can throwing a Guile like Flash kick, a cross up shoulder smash from behind, a point blank pistol shot or a hulligan esc grab type move. Just mash your Drive and finish off with the mix up.

Not only that if you hit D. Drive she gets that elevated arching gun swing and that will knock a diving opponent out of the air and then you can just drive mash as usual.

In Ken fighter you spam projectiles and win? LOL. Ken can't even throw projectiles worth a **** because his release is so slow and if you're just gonna spam thanks for giving your opponent a free ultra. Not to mention FB spamming isn't possible with Ken period.

Zangief you just throw throw throw throw. Well that's the opponents stupid fault for getting that close. You don't see me saying all you need to do with Iron Tager is Throw Throw Throw especially when his super does 70% damage :|

The__Havoc

After reading this post, it's clear you don't know what button-mashing is, or that you've actually been defending BlazBlue this entire time for some ulterior motive.

You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

Espada12

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

The__Havoc

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

Just go from A -> B and now you can!

I guess Aksys Games didn't give gamespot enough money for a 9.

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You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

The__Havoc

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

Try with noel I guarentee you it would work :P

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And explain to me why you would just walk up and start spamming drive? What next you gonna tell me to walk up to someone in SFIV and SRK them with Ken lol. Also gives them enough time to dive and punish the hell out of the player? Um why would anyone start using Noel's Drive attack at a distance where an opponent can dive at them :|

You just need to look for the openings and once you get in Drive Spam boom. They either have to grab you in between Drives or know when to back off after certain drives but like I said this is a guessing game if the Noel user is good enough at mixing up as she can throwing a Guile like Flash kick, a cross up shoulder smash from behind, a point blank pistol shot or a hulligan esc grab type move. Just mash your Drive and finish off with the mix up.

Not only that if you hit D. Drive she gets that elevated arching gun swing and that will knock a diving opponent out of the air and then you can just drive mash as usual.

In Ken fighter you spam projectiles and win? LOL. Ken can't even throw projectiles worth a **** because his release is so slow and if you're just gonna spam thanks for giving your opponent a free ultra. Not to mention FB spamming isn't possible with Ken period.

Zangief you just throw throw throw throw. Well that's the opponents stupid fault for getting that close. You don't see me saying all you need to do with Iron Tager is Throw Throw Throw especially when his super does 70% damage :|

-Skyfall

After reading this post, it's clear you don't know what button-mashing is, or that you've actually been defending BlazBlue this entire time for some ulterior motive.

Yes I have no idea what button mashing is yet I completely explained every scenario you offered and legit game situations lol. I call it like I see it. BlazBlue is a good game but it does have some things that I feel makes it one little notch below SFIV.

Instead of dismissing what I say why don't you offer your input to what I have said. You said spam grab with Zangief and I told you why it wouldn't work. Explain to me why it would work?

You said spam FB with Ken and said it would work and I explained to you why it doesn't. You can counter by saying why it does.

I provided examples where you can mash in moves with Noel's drive tech rather then dismiss it why not try to counter the issue with one of your own scenarios. See I'm not just blind hating. I own these games and play them extensively but I am open to hearing what anyone has to say about the two granted willing that they are going to explain in detail instead of saying NOOB DOES SRK BLAH KEN FIGHTER GRAB TAGER GIEFZ! ect.

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You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

Espada12

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

Try with noel I guarentee you it would work :P

If the opponent doesn't block then yes. But the recovery off a jab is shorter then the start up of a super. It will not work.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

You cancel into a super doing anything really, you can do a light punch spam into a super. Linking her drive requires a bit of effort and the timing while it isn't SF4 level still needs to be fairly quick even with her and you need to make sure you use the correct drive attacks. I'm not a SF4 VS Blazblue guy btw, I own both and like both, BB is just a bit more fun to me because the characters feel alot more fresh.

PSdual_wielder

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

Just go from A -> B and now you can!

So Punch-> Kick -> then super?

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]Good score. Don't know why anyone would be upset over it.Giancar

That can't be the case. Sheep can easily counter attack with Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Ugh...Ragna's, so many of them online. I'm getting sick of my health being constantly drained :P-Oath

There are? Dammit, Im maiing him and Im actually quite good.... now Im having second thoughts :P

But don't let it sway your decision, just be the best damn Ragna out there ;)

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[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

The__Havoc

Just go from A -> B and now you can!

So Punch-> Kick -> then super?

no, in case you didn't know BB is played with 4 buttons only, ABCD. A is your standard quick/light attack, but chaining combos is so damn easy it requires no timing. You can't frame cancel A into a super, but with B you can lol. So just go A + B, + C if you feel like it, damage scaling isn't that strict in BB anyways, and then input the super really quickly and you'll get it. But still, getting the super out isn't hard anyways.

edit: B button isn't neccessarily a kick, but just a 'step up' of A, some character's B is kick, some are not.

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[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Oh come on the game isn't that forgiving. Your opponents hit stun is not long enough to cancel a jab into super. They will have recovered by the time you start up a super if you are just jabbing as it doesn't give you much hit stun.

The__Havoc

Just go from A -> B and now you can!

So Punch-> Kick -> then super?

If you still have the game go into practice and try the thing I just told you. I am 100% positive it will work. Obviously the first light punch must hit though every other will hit and you can cancel into a super about after 4 or 5.

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Ugh...Ragna's, so many of them online. I'm getting sick of my health being constantly drained :PsiLVURcross

There are? Dammit, Im maiing him and Im actually quite good.... now Im having second thoughts :P

But don't let it sway your decision, just be the best damn Ragna out there ;)

Well, did they suck atleast? If they were noobs Id feel a whole lot better!

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There are? Dammit, Im maiing him and Im actually quite good.... now Im having second thoughts :P

-Oath

But don't let it sway your decision, just be the best damn Ragna out there ;)

Well, did they suck atleast? If they were noobs Id feel a whole lot better!

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Yea, in the past hour that I played, 85% were probably Ragna battles.

But don't let it sway your decision, just be the best damn Ragna out there ;)

siLVURcross

Well, did they suck atleast? If they were noobs Id feel a whole lot better!

This is the thing I don't get with the nooby Ragna's. If you're going to play spam with him, at least use a more versatile move, namely the qcb + A -> qcb + D(don't remember the name lol). Hade's does more damage, but only a bit, but you put yourself into a much riskier position. Why do they spam that move and not the other one is beyond me.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well, did they suck atleast? If they were noobs Id feel a whole lot better!

PSdual_wielder

This is the thing I don't get with the nooby Ragna's. If you're going to play spam with him, at least use a more versatile move, namely the qcb + A -> qcb + D(don't remember the name lol). Hade's does more damage, but only a bit, but you put yourself into a much riskier position. Why do they spam that move and not the other one is beyond me.

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Yea they were pretty nooby, spamming his Hades Fang. I decided to toy with em using Haku-men by using his awesome sword and sweeping as they come by. :lol:siLVURcross

This is the thing I don't get with the nooby Ragna's. If you're going to play spam with him, at least use a more versatile move, namely the qcb + A -> qcb + D(don't remember the name lol). Hade's does more damage, but only a bit, but you put yourself into a much riskier position. Why do they spam that move and not the other one is beyond me.

I main Ragna too, but I don't play like those guys. I got to level 15 or something around that after an hour of starting online lol.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

This is the thing I don't get with the nooby Ragna's. If you're going to play spam with him, at least use a more versatile move, namely the qcb + A -> qcb + D(don't remember the name lol). Hade's does more damage, but only a bit, but you put yourself into a much riskier position. Why do they spam that move and not the other one is beyond me.

PSdual_wielder

I main Ragna too, but I don't play like those guys. I got to level 15 or something around that after an hour of starting online lol.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well, did they suck atleast? If they were noobs Id feel a whole lot better!

PSdual_wielder

This is the thing I don't get with the nooby Ragna's. If you're going to play spam with him, at least use a more versatile move, namely the qcb + A -> qcb + D(don't remember the name lol). Hade's does more damage, but only a bit, but you put yourself into a much riskier position. Why do they spam that move and not the other one is beyond me.

The move your refering to is the same as the one siLVUR is, the punch :P

No one uses gauntlet hades? Thats a pretty damn good move, along with Inferno Deviner combo.

@ SiLVUR, ok, as long as they werent great..... and put them in their place with Hakumen :twisted:, he's a beast.

Good score I suppose. I was expecting an 8.5 though...

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] No idea, but it's fun to mess with em. I also like using Litchi against em, throwing my stick around is hilarious.siLVURcross

I main Ragna too, but I don't play like those guys. I got to level 15 or something around that after an hour of starting online lol.

That happened to me too lol. We probably played against the same noel.

Anyways I think the key to doing well in this game is to be more aggressive than the other player. Going passive and reactionary doesn't work like SFIV where the ken players just keep jumping towards you for no reason.

edit: actually i think my first match was against a level 20 Nu. haha

good score, I dont get where they are saying its gaudy though :?

and I think that 12characters is more then enough for this kind of game.

good score, I dont get where they are saying its gaudy though :?

and I think that 12characters is more then enough for this kind of game.

dragonfly110

Well, there is good news to this review--it's not as bad as the GiantBomb review.

Well, there is good news to this review--it's not as bad as the GiantBomb review.

ChrisSpartan117

Eh, JeffG is probably more experienced in the fighting game genre than everyone who works for gamespot. He has a point in his review, and its not the 'guilty gear clone' or 'too much variety' crap.

Although I enjoy SFIV a lot I prefer BB. In SFIV I find myself using the same characters I did in SFII with the exception of C. Viper (she's awesome)

BB offers some incredibly unique characters (I've never played a GG game so that may be why)

As far as balancing goes I think BB is a bit more balanced. Nu seems overpowered at times and Carls seems incredibly underpowered but I think it's due to my lack of experience on beating a skilled Nu and using Carl effectively.

Does anyone here main with Carl? If so please tell me how you win a match with the guy. I felt so relieved when I beat Unlimited Nu with him but it was pure luck. So far I can only take on Hell Mode and Score Attack with Hakumen. I plan on trying with Arakune and Noel next but I've been busy with other games lately.

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good score, I dont get where they are saying its gaudy though :?

and I think that 12characters is more then enough for this kind of game.

killab2oo5

I agree it was kinda rushed or how should I say not full of detail. Pretty hilarious seeing how late the review actually came.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

I main Ragna too, but I don't play like those guys. I got to level 15 or something around that after an hour of starting online lol.

PSdual_wielder

That happened to me too lol. We probably played against the same noel.

Anyways I think the key to doing well in this game is to be more aggressive than the other player. Going passive and reactionary doesn't work like SFIV where the ken players just keep jumping towards you for no reason.

edit: actually i think my first match was against a level 20 Nu. haha

lvl 12?.......wait till you hit lvl 40. I'm 42 right now and it basically comes down to this. Everyone that isnt Tager or Haku-men has ONE air combo and if you spam it enough, you win.

Good game though.

horrbile review........anyways i usually main with v-13 and let me tell you, all you ever need are here strong attacks, those things are soooo freakin devasting......do the back srtong attack then after like 5 hits do the front one and your got yourself a instant 14 to 16 hit combo.......lmao funny thing is......i dont see to many peeps main with her......

Holy hell, are you ********? Let's look at some of these awesome Noel drive mixups. 6D: hits low, has 24 startup frames, 1 active frame (that's right, ONE), and 31 frames of recovery (-15 on block). The fastest safe drive chain you can follow it with is 6A which leaves you until next week to counter. 2D: hits high, 19 frame start up meaning you have 317m/s to standup and block an attack that is incredibly easy to identify visually (telegraphed). -29 on block. The only way to make a 2D relatively safe (not safe against an IB) is to follow with 28D and RC which is still unsafe if your 2D got barriered, pushing noel back. The 214 D crossup is another you mentioned which you have 517m/s to block....

So to summarize, Noel's drive moves have very few active frames (ie frames where they are actually hitting you, around 20 - 30 start up frames, are -16 at best to -30 on block, etc. Drive chains are bad outside of combos. Chains are super punishable and you basically have to have a deathwish if you are trying to engage using only random drive strings.

juno84

Congratulations. First on resulting to insults on an internet forum and second for using www.dustloop.com a nice fav of mine. My man just keep your insults to yourself thank you very much. At no point did I say you just walk up to someone and start pounding the Drive button. As I stated thats like saying you're gonna walk up to someone in SFIV and try a HP.SRK. You obvioulsy need to work into the move and not just throw it out there :|

Only an 8.0 :x

Looks like someone didn't get there Limited Edition copy :P

I felll in love after playing at my friends crib on his 360. Im getting the PS3 version though soon enough :)

Only an 8.0 :x

Looks like someone didn't get there Limited Edition copy :P

I felll in love after playing at my friends crib on his 360. Im getting the PS3 version though soon enough :)

hayato_

Aren't all copies Limited Edition right now?

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Holy hell, are you ********? Let's look at some of these awesome Noel drive mixups. 6D: hits low, has 24 startup frames, 1 active frame (that's right, ONE), and 31 frames of recovery (-15 on block). The fastest safe drive chain you can follow it with is 6A which leaves you until next week to counter. 2D: hits high, 19 frame start up meaning you have 317m/s to standup and block an attack that is incredibly easy to identify visually (telegraphed). -29 on block. The only way to make a 2D relatively safe (not safe against an IB) is to follow with 28D and RC which is still unsafe if your 2D got barriered, pushing noel back. The 214 D crossup is another you mentioned which you have 517m/s to block....

So to summarize, Noel's drive moves have very few active frames (ie frames where they are actually hitting you, around 20 - 30 start up frames, are -16 at best to -30 on block, etc. Drive chains are bad outside of combos. Chains are super punishable and you basically have to have a deathwish if you are trying to engage using only random drive strings.

The__Havoc

Congratulations. First on resulting to insults on an internet forum and second for using www.dustloop.com a nice fav of mine. My man just keep your insults to yourself thank you very much. At no point did I say you just walk up to someone and start pounding the Drive button. As I stated thats like saying you're gonna walk up to someone in SFIV and try a HP.SRK. You obvioulsy need to work into the move and not just throw it out there :|

You don't "work into it". You combo into it or use 2D if you are feeling ballsy or have meter to RC. Framedata is from zetaboards (dustloop doesn't have BB frame data). As a general standard, Noel's drives have huge startup, few active frames, and large recovery. I could have stated that, but I thought numbers would be less arbitrary than you taking my word on it. Anyhow, Noel's drive is generally terrible as a zoning/pressure/mixup tool. She has solid normals that rack up the guard libra in hurry. Her 2C and 5B are much better mixups options than 2D and 6D (especially with meter).

Your comments on BB (or Button Bash Blue as you call it) were stupid, and I called you out. The guy going on about SFIV and winning with random fireballs and random shoryukens with Ken were equally stupid.