We're half way through 2008. Is the 360 dead yet? (back from E3 08 aftermath)

I understand the point your trying to make but I still believe its merely singling out one group of fanboys. You as well as most of the posters in this thread are well aware that neither console is going anywhere. We are also aware that both groups of fanboys have been dishing it out and taking it. I am still not sure what kind of response you were looking for but I guess the answer to your question is in the same place the answer to the question "If the PS3 is doomed why is it still here" and thats inside fanboys imaginations.Javy03

well adobe singled out a single fanboy type because these fanboys were the most adamant in calling for the death of a particular console. the ps3/360 fanboys also called for the death of the wii saying its not a true next gen console (which is true to certain extent) and all console fanboys have been calling for the death of the pc for years claiming piracy is killing pc gaming. that statement is not only fallacious, but its down right idiotic. most of these fanboys that claim the death of pc gaming due to piracy apparently forgot about the massive amounts of console game piracy and even ms in 2004/2005 claiming that when the 360 comes out, it will be hack-proof and thus killing console piracy.

you are right in saying that console gaming at this moment in time is going nowhere. the reason for that is price and saturation. at this price point for all the consoles, the consumer willing to pay that particular price (be it $349 for a 360 premium, $399 for a ps3, or even $249 for a wii) have all bought the console. what the makers need to do is lower the price and they will see, as well as we will see, a massive influx in the amount of console and game purchases.

all fanboys have played the "console death game" at one point or another; it's the fanboy way.

I understand the point your trying to make but I still believe its merely singling out one group of fanboys. You as well as most of the posters in this thread are well aware that neither console is going anywhere. We are also aware that both groups of fanboys have been dishing it out and taking it. I am still not sure what kind of response you were looking for but I guess the answer to your question is in the same place the answer to the question "If the PS3 is doomed why is it still here" and thats inside fanboys imaginations.Javy03

Your last line is every bit as true as what I'm driving at here. And what did I want from this? I guess I wanted to see if any of the cows - particularily those which prophesised 360's extinction - would after 2 years owe up to their error in judgement. Not asking them to forego their allegiance to PS3, but to simply acknowledge that this time around, the Xbox platform would be a strong contender to the sony platform in the console market, to admit that if it hasn't happened by now, then PS3 will not completely crush 360 and send it the way of 3DO and Jaguar.

I'm sure I was reaching for the stars with this one, but what the hell, I had to give it a go :) :)

[QUOTE="Javy03"]I understand the point your trying to make but I still believe its merely singling out one group of fanboys. You as well as most of the posters in this thread are well aware that neither console is going anywhere. We are also aware that both groups of fanboys have been dishing it out and taking it. I am still not sure what kind of response you were looking for but I guess the answer to your question is in the same place the answer to the question "If the PS3 is doomed why is it still here" and thats inside fanboys imaginations.AdobeArtist

Your last line is every bit as true as what I'm driving at here. And what did I want from this? I guess I wanted to see if any of the cows - particularily those which prophesised 360's extinction - would after 2 years owe up to their error in judgement. Not asking them to forego their allegiance to PS3, but to simply acknowledge that this time around, the Xbox platform would be a strong contender to the sony platform in the console market, to admit that if it hasn't happened by now, then PS3 will not completely crush 360 and send it the way of 3DO and Jaguar.

I'm sure I was reaching for the stars with this one, but what the hell, I had to give it a go :) :)

LOL...you were definatly reaching for the stars. The truth is you as well as I know that the community here changes drastically over time. The most outspoken fanboys dissapear and new ones come. Fanboys never show up when it doesnt benefit them and even the most logical arguement can be twisted in their minds. I am still waiting for Tango to come back after ranting about how HD DVD was gonna beat out blu ray, lol.

TVB, I DO realize not all sonyfans take the same stance, certainly not you, fuzzysquash, and many others in GUFU, Avant Game, and elsewhere in gamespot. My thread addresses that there has been a substantial number of threads over the past 2.5 years to this effect (not in regards to how this number represents any ratio to the fan base as a whole) to warrant having to finally challenge it, since 360 has supposedly been dying for half a console generation already.

AdobeArtist

OK...fair enough. It is usually the same people that make those kind of threads though, I don't want to name names but it is obvious.

The OP makes it look as if you're attacking the entire faction, hence my posts. If you're just addressing those hardcore fanboys, I get what you're trying to do, but there's no way they'll own up to it. It's just like how all the "PS3 has no games" fanboys miraculously disappeared this year.

It doesn't really make sense to say one of the consoles will die, it's just very obvious that they won't. The worst thing is that some people actually want certain systems to die... also doesn't really make sense.

It's not going anywhere any time soon. If it got through 2007, when the whole hardware failure drama really hit the fan, it'll last this entire generation. I just hope they focus more on expanding the online features of the console and not go down the Wii path, if anything do something totally different. Not just make their own waggle.

Microsoft will support the Xbox 360 for a long time to come, now that it's making money and they don't have Intel and Nvidia ****ing them over.

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[QUOTE="Javy03"]I understand the point your trying to make but I still believe its merely singling out one group of fanboys. You as well as most of the posters in this thread are well aware that neither console is going anywhere. We are also aware that both groups of fanboys have been dishing it out and taking it. I am still not sure what kind of response you were looking for but I guess the answer to your question is in the same place the answer to the question "If the PS3 is doomed why is it still here" and thats inside fanboys imaginations.Javy03

Your last line is every bit as true as what I'm driving at here. And what did I want from this? I guess I wanted to see if any of the cows - particularily those which prophesised 360's extinction - would after 2 years owe up to their error in judgement. Not asking them to forego their allegiance to PS3, but to simply acknowledge that this time around, the Xbox platform would be a strong contender to the sony platform in the console market, to admit that if it hasn't happened by now, then PS3 will not completely crush 360 and send it the way of 3DO and Jaguar.

I'm sure I was reaching for the stars with this one, but what the hell, I had to give it a go :) :)

LOL...you were definatly reaching for the stars. The truth is you as well as I know that the community here changes drastically over time. The most outspoken fanboys dissapear and new ones come. Fanboys never show up when it doesnt benefit them and even the most logical arguement can be twisted in their minds. I am still waiting for Tango to come back after ranting about how HD DVD was gonna beat out blu ray, lol.

i'm waiting for twinblade to come back and say that hitler and einstein where from different time periods. god that was hysterical.

Lol failbox 360

Lol failbox 360

JakeTD21

oh teh noes. quick call ms tech support! they'll fix it for free!!

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]

Lol failbox 360

[RROD pick]

cowgriller

oh teh noes. quick call ms tech support! they'll fix it for free!!

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="JakeTD21"]

Lol failbox 360

[RROD pick]

JakeTD21

oh teh noes. quick call ms tech support! they'll fix it for free!!

wow. :o thank god for the cell because i don't think that i can count that high.

:o holy crap!!! a hello kiity pink wii!!! me want! we want (to throw up)!!!

just out of curiosity, is that chart counting number of flops or number of cancelled games?

It might be dying in planet bovine i guess..MojondeVACA

they better hope planet mcdonalds doesn't try to colonize them.

360 is factually selling at a faster rate then it did in 07.

ANd with e3 around the corner, this year is far from over for 360.

-GhostMLD-

The XBox 360 is selling better then last year and better then the original XBox. It's a complete success this generation. Only the cows keeping saying it's dead because it's not outselling the PS3 in Europe or U.S. right now. So was the PS3 dead when the 360 was outselling it for the first year it was on the market? lol!! Fanboys are silly. The Xbox 360 isn't alive and doing very well. Can't wait for the E3.

Lol failbox 360

JakeTD21

LOL!! AS the PS3 is still in 3rd place after 2 years on the market. The funny thing is even with the RROD the XBox 360 is selling better in 2008, they it did in 2007. LMAO!! Failed Post is more like it. It's all about the GAMES. Sheesh.. MGS4 is proof of that.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

360 is factually selling at a faster rate then it did in 07.

ANd with e3 around the corner, this year is far from over for 360.

blackace

The XBox 360 is selling better then last year and better then the original XBox. It's a complete success this generation. Only the cows keeping saying it's dead because it's not outselling the PS3 in Europe or U.S. right now. So was the PS3 dead when the 360 was outselling it for the first year it was on the market? lol!! Fanboys are silly. The Xbox 360 isn't alive and doing very well. Can't wait for the E3.

Niether consoles are dead and the 360 is selling better then last year but by a very small margin. The PS3 is selling roughly 80-100K better in the us while the 360 is hovering at around 10-20K better. And the 360 didnt outsell the PS3 its first year, overall, only in NA did it outsell the PS3, worldwide in 07 the PS3 outsold the 360.

Its not dead but its looking very, very dated. PS3 and the Wii are selling better.

I personally think Xbox360 is in a better position than Wii in the games department... obviously sales is a totally different story with Wii having great sales on a weekly basis in all markets...

Honestly no console will be dead this year or next, and E3 will probably have some major announcements for all 3 consoles...

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]

Lol failbox 360

blackace

LOL!! AS the PS3 is still in 3rd place after 2 years on the market. The funny thing is even with the RROD the XBox 360 is selling better in 2008, they it did in 2007. LMAO!! Failed Post is more like it. It's all about the GAMES. Sheesh.. MGS4 is proof of that.

If you had read his other post instead immediatly jumping into super defensive mode it would have been obvious that he was joking.

Only some people said the 360 will die.

Most people though realise its a great console and will be here until the end of this gen. My worry is about how quick MS will ditch the 360 when their next console comes out like with the xbox 1.

I have a 360 and think it's great. Playing GTA4 and Halo 3 online is just great fun. A friend of mine owns all 3 current consoles and he tells me that he spends far more time on the 360 playing on Xbox live. He hates the Wii and uses his PS3 for blu-ray and MG4.

How can the system be dead? If you had both PS3 and 360 why would you buy a multi-formt game on the former? Better controller (for my fat hands at least) and better online support (usually - well GTA 4 expansions when they come) and better versions (at least they used to be i have'nt looked at how developers are coping with converting games to PS3 since i settled on buying a 360) And there is a lack of killer games (Haze! what is going on!)

But then again the 360 can be complete crap - touch wood ihave not experienced the RROD, but what a pain in the sack that must be! Also it is extremely loud which the PS3 isn't. This is very annoying when you play games. Some will prefer the PS3 controller. MGS4 is supposed to be very good.Little Big Planet looks very interesting. Blu-ray films look amazing on a nice HDTV. The system has a lot of potential.

Both systems have their pluses and minuses. And at the moment the video games industry seems to be coping well with it's multi-format nature. But i do think the Wii is crap.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

360 is factually selling at a faster rate then it did in 07.

ANd with e3 around the corner, this year is far from over for 360.

Javy03

The XBox 360 is selling better then last year and better then the original XBox. It's a complete success this generation. Only the cows keeping saying it's dead because it's not outselling the PS3 in Europe or U.S. right now. So was the PS3 dead when the 360 was outselling it for the first year it was on the market? lol!! Fanboys are silly. The Xbox 360 isn't alive and doing very well. Can't wait for the E3.

Niether consoles are dead and the 360 is selling better then last year but by a very small margin. The PS3 is selling roughly 80-100K better in the us while the 360 is hovering at around 10-20K better. And the 360 didnt outsell the PS3 its first year, overall, only in NA did it outsell the PS3, worldwide in 07 the PS3 outsold the 360.

The 360 outsold it in actually sales, not in shipped units. So the PS3 outshipped the XBox 360 worldwide, but didn't outsell it to actually customers. People don't seem to understand this, but whatever. Believe what you want.

No one is saying its gonna die.. but clearly its sales are dieing, Its 3rd place (out of Wii, PS3, 360) Every Month in Every Region.EVOLV3

360 is factually selling at a faster rate then it did in 07.

ANd with e3 around the corner, this year is far from over for 360.

-GhostMLD-

I've never understood the GS logic that if your sales increase, that means you're dying. I guess the Wii has been dying a long death ever since launch. Every month it sells close to a million, its putting another nail in its coffin. The PSP was thriving until a few months ago, now that its sales have picked up dramatically for months in a row, its official: PSP = Dead. A company made 50 million profit last year, this year they made 100 million in profit... I think they're going to go bankrupt if this trend of increasing profit continues.

PEOPLE, THIS IS CLOWN TALK!!!!!

Another closet lemming claiming he's neutral. If the topic was about fanboys wishing console to die, then why is it directly targeted to cows? DragonFlyJ

This coming from someone with an MGS4 avatar and a sig stating the 360 as a "shooter console". And I DID condemn the actions made against PS3 in my OP. Glass houses must sell really cheap, huh DragonFly? :)

Its not dead but its looking very, very dated. PS3 and the Wii are selling better.

tenaka2

I sure hope that isn't something to do with "360 is maxed out after only it's first year". Gears 2 says otherwise.

360 should die, all it does is ruin gaming.kingkui

So... now that we're past E3 08, and having seen what all platforms have coming up, especially in light of 360 acquiring Final Fantasy XIII, I'm asking again. Is there anybody who will still proclaim that 360 is on it's death bed? Anybody? :)

So... now that we're past E3 08, and having seen what all platforms have coming up, especially in light of 360 acquiring Final Fantasy XIII, I'm asking again. Is there anybody who will still proclaim that 360 is on it's death bed? Anybody? :)

Oh and to the mods; I realize this thread is somewhat old, about a month. But with the recent E3 blowout (especially the FF13 revelation) I felt this warrented bringing this question back for another round. I hope this will not get me suspended :) AdobeArtist

Neither system is dead. There will be no Dreamcasts this gen. Fanboys will claim one consoles is doomed until the end of time but never expect them to defend their answer logically.

So... now that we're past E3 08, and having seen what all platforms have coming up, especially in light of 360 acquiring Final Fantasy XIII, I'm asking again. Is there anybody who will still proclaim that 360 is on it's death bed? Anybody? :)

Oh and to the mods; I realize this thread is somewhat old, about a month. But with the recent E3 blowout (especially the FF13 revelation) I felt this warrented bringing this question back for another round. I hope this will not get me suspended :) AdobeArtist

As long as MS is running the show I do not see how it could die. All they have it money to buy stuff. I bet they all light their cigars with $100 bills.

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So... now that we're past E3 08, and having seen what all platforms have coming up, especially in light of 360 acquiring Final Fantasy XIII, I'm asking again. Is there anybody who will still proclaim that 360 is on it's death bed? Anybody? :)

Oh and to the mods; I realize this thread is somewhat old, about a month. But with the recent E3 blowout (especially the FF13 revelation) I felt this warrented bringing this question back for another round. I hope this will not get me suspended :) Kahuna_1

As long as MS is running the show I do not see how it could die. All they have it money to buy stuff. I bet they all light their cigars with $100 bills.

Just because they have money doesnt mean they waste money. I dont think MS is going anywhere anytime soon but dont think that if the next Xbox appears to be another negative money pit that the shareholders will not put pressure to abonden the gaming industry.

Oh and to the mods; I realize this thread is somewhat old, about a month. But with the recent E3 blowout (especially the FF13 revelation) I felt this warrented bringing this question back for another round. I hope this will not get me suspended :) AdobeArtist

Fanboys kept saying last year after e3 07' that in 08' the 360 would have no good games. And yet none of them said that they were wrong?jimmyand360

And yet the same erroneous assumptions keep repeating year after year. Which is why I must press the point back at those who make them.

Fanboys kept saying last year after e3 07' that in 08' the 360 would have no good games. And yet none of them said that they were wrong?jimmyand360

The latest claim I've seen from Sony fanboys has been that FF XIII is coming in 2010 and "by then people won't care, they'll be ready for the new systems". I've also heard the claim that "JRPGs just don't sell on the 360, they just don't!" to attack SE for supporting the 360 with FF XIII, Last Remnant, and Star Ocean 4.

These claims are just ridiculous - first an incredibly hyped game "no longer matters" the moment it goes multiplat, and then "games won't sell" on the 360? That's not what the sales data shows,

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

So... now that we're past E3 08, and having seen what all platforms have coming up, especially in light of 360 acquiring Final Fantasy XIII, I'm asking again. Is there anybody who will still proclaim that 360 is on it's death bed? Anybody? :)

Oh and to the mods; I realize this thread is somewhat old, about a month. But with the recent E3 blowout (especially the FF13 revelation) I felt this warrented bringing this question back for another round. I hope this will not get me suspended :) Javy03

As long as MS is running the show I do not see how it could die. All they have it money to buy stuff. I bet they all light their cigars with $100 bills.

Just because they have money doesnt mean they waste money. I dont think MS is going anywhere anytime soon but dont think that if the next Xbox appears to be another negative money pit that the shareholders will not put pressure to abonden the gaming industry.

[QUOTE="jimmyand360"]Fanboys kept saying last year after e3 07' that in 08' the 360 would have no good games. And yet none of them said that they were wrong?subrosian

The latest claim I've seen from Sony fanboys has been that FF XIII is coming in 2010 and "by then people won't care, they'll be ready for the new systems". I've also heard the claim that "JRPGs just don't sell on the 360, they just don't!" to attack SE for supporting the 360 with FF XIII, Last Remnant, and Star Ocean 4.

These claims are just ridiculous - first an incredibly hyped game "no longer matters" the moment it goes multiplat, and then "games won't sell" on the 360? That's not what the sales data shows,

We saw that very same thing with DMC4 coming to the 360. What once was a stellar title that could be held as ownage over the 360, what they acclaimed as great and enjoyed having for themselves.... got relegated to "hardly a noteworthy game", as if it had "always been" such.

They talk about supporting a platform, yet easily abandon support for their own games when it no longer suits them.

its not like 360 is selling -200 000 each month.

its sales are in the positives, and are actually greater then each of theri 07 months.