What a lot of PC gamers do not understand

Consoles are PC's..Motokid6

Functionally they really are not.

Actually, as a pc gamer, there IS something I dont understand at all.....

Why playing XBL sounds like this

Actually, as a pc gamer, there IS something I dont understand at all.....

 

Why playing XBL sounds like this

 

 

wis3boi

Because MS thought giving everyone a mic was a good idea.  I can't stand the occasional squeaker in PC games, i can't imagine it in every game

The problem with this whole console vs PC debate is how very short-sighted it is...

What about the arcades? It was the arcades (not consoles or PC's) that gave birth to the video game industry in the early 70's. It was the arcades (not consoles) that first transformed video games into a multi-billion dollar industry in the early 80's (i.e. the golden age of arcade gaming). And it was the arcades (not consoles) that gave us the first cultural gaming icons, including the Space Invaders aliens, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, and even Mario.

And what about other home computers not called the PC? If you wanted to play video games on a computer back in the 8-bit or 16-bit days, you'd get a gaming home computer like the Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST, PC-98, Sharp X68000, FM Towns, etc., which usually offered more power than the PC at the time as well as their own gaming libraries that rivalled both PC and consoles.

And what about handhelds? The Game Boy and Tetris were huge cultural icons. And by extension, what about smartphones and tablets? Angry Birds is pretty much like the Tetris of our era.

It's ridiculous how many fanboys act like consoles and PC are the only gaming platforms that matter.

Jag85

As I've experienced (and you can roll back a few pages for proof), when you go to the other side of the fence and point out what role console has played in the industry, their panties get jammed in a bind and by all means possible will deter, deflect, disuade.... ANYTHING to avoid just admitting that consoles (and handhelds) have been the major players and sellers for decades, not PC.

They'd rather sacrifice their right eye, left nut, and a few fingers than do that.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Are we seriously arguing the irrelevance of the PC as a platform when some of the most successful IPs of all time (WarCraft, StarCraft, Diablo, The Sims, Civilization, League of Legends, etc) are all PC based?

Are we seriously arguing the irrelevance of the PC as a platform when competitive gaming as we know it is at its biggest on PC (League of Legends, StarCraft, Counter-Strike)?

Are we seriously arguing the relevance of the PC market by downplaying F2P games when DOTA and League of Legends exist, and the relevance of MMOs when World of WarCraft is probably the single most profitable game of all time?

I mean, really?

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]

I want THE best gaming experience possible even if it is only 5% better so of course I play PC. It is that simple. When it comes to pure GAMING experience cost isn't a factor. When you're discussing the driving experience and capabilities of a Ferrari why would you bring up the cost? You don't because it has nothing to do with the driving experience. I'm all about GAMES so such things aren't a problem.

Jag85

In other words...

Consoles are like the more common mid-range Japanese cars.

PC's are like the less common high-end German cars.

Well said, compadre!

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

In other words...

Consoles are like the more common mid-range Japanese cars.

PC's are like the less common high-end German cars.

menes777

Well said, compadre!

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles.  It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience.  You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand).  The choice is up to you.   With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).  

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are.  Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]

I want THE best gaming experience possible even if it is only 5% better so of course I play PC. It is that simple. When it comes to pure GAMING experience cost isn't a factor. When you're discussing the driving experience and capabilities of a Ferrari why would you bring up the cost? You don't because it has nothing to do with the driving experience. I'm all about GAMES so such things aren't a problem.

Benny_Blakk

In other words...

Consoles are like the more common mid-range Japanese cars.

PC's are like the less common high-end German cars.

Well said, compadre!

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles.  It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience.  You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand).  The choice is up to you.   With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).  

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are.  Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"][QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm not sure where you're going with "inclusive", but accessible? There are plenty of examples of PCs trading ease of use for flexibility. That's a perfectly valid design decision, but it doesn't serve everyone's wants. That's why there are multiple platforms.

faizan_faizan

Yep. I've spent a total of around 10 minutes fixing games that didn't work on my PC this entire generation.

It's not like consoles where a game like Skyrim comes out, and you're just expected to deal with a broken game for a year. That stuff will never happen on the PC.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The problem with this whole console vs PC debate is how very short-sighted it is...

What about the arcades? It was the arcades (not consoles or PC's) that gave birth to the video game industry in the early 70's. It was the arcades (not consoles) that first transformed video games into a multi-billion dollar industry in the early 80's (i.e. the golden age of arcade gaming). And it was the arcades (not consoles) that gave us the first cultural gaming icons, including the Space Invaders aliens, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, and even Mario.

And what about other home computers not called the PC? If you wanted to play video games on a computer back in the 8-bit or 16-bit days, you'd get a gaming home computer like the Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST, PC-98, Sharp X68000, FM Towns, etc., which usually offered more power than the PC at the time as well as their own gaming libraries that rivalled both PC and consoles.

And what about handhelds? The Game Boy and Tetris were huge cultural icons. And by extension, what about smartphones and tablets? Angry Birds is pretty much like the Tetris of our era.

It's ridiculous how many fanboys act like consoles and PC are the only gaming platforms that matter.

Benny_Blakk

As I've experienced (and you can roll back a few pages for proof), when you go to the other side of the fence and point out what role console has played in the industry, their panties get jammed in a bind and by all means possible will deter, deflect, disuade.... ANYTHING to avoid just admitting that consoles (and handhelds) have been the major players and sellers for decades, not PC.

They'd rather sacrifice their right eye, left nut, and a few fingers than do that.

Other than your word, do you have any evidence to back this up?  Maybe even at best some logic to support this?  If that is true why are consoles becoming more and more like PC's everyday?  Consoles have played a large role in the development of gaming, but not as much as you are making it out to be.  At one point I would almost agree with you that Consoles were leading the way (way back when Ninty wasn't as much of a joke).  Then PC took off with 3D and the consoles have been trying to catch up ever since. 

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]Open Steam Add game to cart DOwnload game Install game Attempt to play game Crash code Internet search read forum #1 try solution #1 Download solution #1 Iinstall solution #1 Reboot PC Open steam try again direct x 11.10.15.13.22.no.one.gives.a.rats download from M$. Install reboot open steam try to play another error go nuts break computer divorce wife fight over kids oh we don't have kids yet? whose kid is in the other room there's no other room? AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!wis3boi

I don't understand your fascination with trying to act like a prepubescent child

He is one.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Brilliant! I used the same exact analogy and one of these weirdos threw a bitch-fit.

Well said, compadre!

lowe0

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles.  It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience.  You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand).  The choice is up to you.   With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).  

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are.  Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

In other words...

Consoles are like the more common mid-range Japanese cars.

PC's are like the less common high-end German cars.

menes777

Well said, compadre!

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles. It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience. You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand). The choice is up to you. With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are. Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Brilliant! I used the same exact analogy and one of these weirdos threw a bitch-fit.

Well said, compadre!

Benny_Blakk

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles. It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience. You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand). The choice is up to you. With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are. Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Well, for one, you did suggest buying the retail copy of a Steam works title, which doesn't help him much. Anyway, surely you can understand that there's a difference between being unable to do something, and not wanting to be bothered?

lowe0

I didn't even check the linked content after i google'd it, it was mearly meant as a random referance point.  

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="menes777"]

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles.  It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience.  You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand).  The choice is up to you.   With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).  

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are.  Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

Frostbite24

Oh this thread again...be original and make it a blog

lostrib

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"][QUOTE="lowe0"] You say that like it's a bad thing. Focusing on a fixed experience and delivering it as easily as possible is the entire point of a console.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]PC's are more inclusive and just as accessible if not more so.SuddenlySudden

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The problem with this whole console vs PC debate is how very short-sighted it is...

What about the arcades? It was the arcades (not consoles or PC's) that gave birth to the video game industry in the early 70's. It was the arcades (not consoles) that first transformed video games into a multi-billion dollar industry in the early 80's (i.e. the golden age of arcade gaming). And it was the arcades (not consoles) that gave us the first cultural gaming icons, including the Space Invaders aliens, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, and even Mario.

And what about other home computers not called the PC? If you wanted to play video games on a computer back in the 8-bit or 16-bit days, you'd get a gaming home computer like the Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST, PC-98, Sharp X68000, FM Towns, etc., which usually offered more power than the PC at the time as well as their own gaming libraries that rivalled both PC and consoles.

And what about handhelds? The Game Boy and Tetris were huge cultural icons. And by extension, what about smartphones and tablets? Angry Birds is pretty much like the Tetris of our era.

It's ridiculous how many fanboys act like consoles and PC are the only gaming platforms that matter.

menes777

As I've experienced (and you can roll back a few pages for proof), when you go to the other side of the fence and point out what role console has played in the industry, their panties get jammed in a bind and by all means possible will deter, deflect, disuade.... ANYTHING to avoid just admitting that consoles (and handhelds) have been the major players and sellers for decades, not PC.

They'd rather sacrifice their right eye, left nut, and a few fingers than do that.

Other than your word, do you have any evidence to back this up? Maybe even at best some logic to support this? If that is true why are consoles becoming more and more like PC's everyday? Consoles have played a large role in the development of gaming, but not as much as you are making it out to be. At one point I would almost agree with you that Consoles were leading the way (way back when Ninty wasn't as much of a joke). Then PC took off with 3D and the consoles have been trying to catch up ever since.

Before you take a pill of "Digress", I recommend you just ask yourself this one simple question: At what point did personal computers become common place (affordability was the issue) and what gen were consoles up to when this happened?

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="menes777"]

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles. It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience. You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand). The choice is up to you. With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are. Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Another example of a PC geektard going off the deep end straying off topic or spinning something in the completely wrong direction. Very common trait among your ilk I see.

Benny_Blakk

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]PC's are more inclusive and just as accessible if not more so.SuddenlySudden

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Geektard? Starting to throwing insults I see. clyde46

And I don't see how or where one would be offended by being called a version of geek but being called another animal other than human as "ok".

But I'm not the moderator, so I guess I have to play by the rules.

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"][QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm not sure where you're going with "inclusive", but accessible? There are plenty of examples of PCs trading ease of use for flexibility. That's a perfectly valid design decision, but it doesn't serve everyone's wants. That's why there are multiple platforms.

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]
lol PC games are accessible? Yeah is that after you're done updating .net framework or direct x or installing a patch or figuring out why your game crashes after the splash logo? Yeah....no : / fail. try againSuddenlySudden

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Brilliant! I used the same exact analogy and one of these weirdos threw a bitch-fit.

Well said, compadre!

Benny_Blakk

Ummm no, Consoles are like a mid-range vehicle, not shabby but not that great either.

While PC is the low end, middle, high and super high end of vehicles. It all depends on how much you want to spend (or can spend) for the experience. You can go really low end (a few hundred) or really all out (a few thousand). The choice is up to you. With consoles you don't have that choice (or very little choice, such as getting an arcade Xbox).

Also consoles are not more common, PC's are. Unless you qualify it with "Gaming PC's", to which you can't really say because there is no evidence for or against this, only conjecture.

LOL in other words the analogy was destroyed but you have no rebuttall.  Nice! :lol:  Try harder and you might be able to.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Thats just it: "fanboys" deter from a very basic principle which is giving credit where credit is due. As you've pointed out, Arcades and handhelds played a major role. PC vs Console only "matters" if you're comparing specs and we all know that PC allows for more conitnuous updates/improvements. From a hardware tech standpoint, if you're comparing, PC wins easily. Now tell that to PC blowers and they puff their chest out. No problem.

As I've experienced (and you can roll back a few pages for proof), when you go to the other side of the fence and point out what role console has played in the industry, their panties get jammed in a bind and by all means possible will deter, deflect, disuade.... ANYTHING to avoid just admitting that consoles (and handhelds) have been the major players and sellers for decades, not PC.

They'd rather sacrifice their right eye, left nut, and a few fingers than do that.

Benny_Blakk

Other than your word, do you have any evidence to back this up? Maybe even at best some logic to support this? If that is true why are consoles becoming more and more like PC's everyday? Consoles have played a large role in the development of gaming, but not as much as you are making it out to be. At one point I would almost agree with you that Consoles were leading the way (way back when Ninty wasn't as much of a joke). Then PC took off with 3D and the consoles have been trying to catch up ever since.

Before you take a pill of "Digress", I recommend you just ask yourself this one simple question: At what point did personal computers become common place (affordability was the issue) and what gen were consoles up to when this happened?

In other words all we have to go on is your opinion? yeah ok, next try! :roll:

Personal computers started to become affordable around the mid to late 90's.  Although affordable is a relative term but that's about when the price was low enough to justify the power that was being output.  It also corresponds with the rise of the internet as something usable by someone that wasn't necessarily a computer enthusiast.  Not long after that 3D cards were coming out giving better visuals than what the PS1 (which had some 3D but the games were ugly as sin) and the N64 had but just barely (which had some great games but was trying to still use the cartridge).   Ever since consoles have slowly started adapting what PC had pioneered (save for Ninty's approach), but consoles are after money not progress and so have fell far behind.  Not saying that consoles are bad, but in terms of driving change and being industry leaders they are not (like anything of course they are exceptions).

I go through less screens when wanting to start up a game on my computer than I do on my PS3. I don't need a disc in the drive, two clicks in less than a second launches my game. If I want to browse the internet to find information about a game I'm playing in less than a second I'm in my web-browser. Steam automatically updates my games even if I'm not on my computer. People that say the PC is less accessible or less inclusive need to have their heads checked.

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]
Those things weren't "problems" to me, They're the same as the mandatory install PS3 Games have, Anyway It must be real sad being you.clyde46

Pretty much has been my experience as well.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] And to the second point, about the difference between being incapable of something and simply not wanting to be bothered?lowe0

I go through less screens when wanting to start up a game on my computer than I do on my PS3. I don't need a disc in the drive, two clicks in less than a second launches my game.

Frostbite24

Same, also my SSD makes the entire process of turning on the PC and starting the game last less than a minute. I remember it took far more to start games on my PS3, especially if I had to switch discs. And not to mention the longer in-game loading times. Plenty of hassle...

Sure, this won't apply to everyone, for some the PC won't ever be that easy to use, but from my personal experience, there's very little hassle involved. By the time the PS3 downloads and installs a bigger game patch, I could literally reinstall my OS. Win 7 install takes barely 15 minutes on an SSD... while some PS3 game patchings took far longer...

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"][QUOTE="lowe0"] You say that like it's a bad thing. Focusing on a fixed experience and delivering it as easily as possible is the entire point of a console.

lowe0

My reply wasn't meant to be good or bad.  Just stating that the people who use PC aren't just the elite. They range from the low end users who only spend a little bit on their PC's clear up to those who might be spending a fortune on their's.  

Which to me is far more accessible than a console where you have to pay a set amount (such as $600 when the PS3 came out) and then the high price for the games and accessories.  For the PC I can invest a little and then add what I need as I go.  Don't have DX11 today?  I just wait a little bit and get a card when I have the money (or they put out new cards and then the older ones drop in price).  I can also recycle my older parts and make (or upgrade) a seperate PC.  If I get a new console I can't play a local LAN game with those together I can only play on the newer one or the older one.

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]
Those things weren't "problems" to me, They're the same as the mandatory install PS3 Games have, Anyway It must be real sad being you.clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"] Oh yeah having a console download patches automitically for you while you're asleep is the same as buying a freaking pc game from gamespot and taking it home and first requiring internet explorer to download the entire game on steam since it's too much of a logical thing to put the freaking game on the freaking disk. And then you finally wait for it to get done and then it crashes so you take the error and google it and then you have to download and update drivers and patches and fixes. Oh wait, you don't have the right hardware. Dude, you have to go on a freaking quest just to play something you paid for. Yeah it must be really sad being me. You're probably waiting for something to finish downloading/installing right now. SuddenlySudden

Huh? what?  so launching Steam is too hard?  Which you won't even see if you elect to have your PW remembered?  My Daughter who is 8 has no problem with it. :roll:

WHat if I don't want to use steam? What I just want to play a freaking Game on my PC? I'm a noob because I don't want to use steam? Lol Kid I've built more computers and fixed more rigs than you ever will. Not saying that means anything. A monkey can turn a wrench. You're the noob SuddenlySudden

You could just buy a retail copy of the game online. Here's Bioshock Infinite, for example.  

How did your closing summary manage to not only be longer than the body of your post, but the longest paragraph in your post as well?

Open Steam Add game to cart DOwnload game Install game Attempt to play game Crash code Internet search read forum #1 try solution #1 Download solution #1 Iinstall solution #1 Reboot PC Open steam try again direct x 11.10.15.13.22.no.one.gives.a.rats download from M$. Install reboot open steam try to play another error go nuts break computer divorce wife fight over kids oh we don't have kids yet? whose kid is in the other room there's no other room? AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!SuddenlySudden

I don't understand your fascination with trying to act like a prepubescent child

Open Steam Add game to cart DOwnload game Install game Attempt to play gameSuddenlySudden

This... only your forgot to add the final step... "Enjoy after your attempt is successful!" :)

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]Open Steam Add game to cart DOwnload game Install game Attempt to play gameRocker6

This... only your forgot to add the final step... "Enjoy after your attempt is successful!" :)

I think the divorce came from his addiction to porn sites, which in turn lead to his PC becoming infected with viruses which of course leads to the other PC issues, and well the kids that's not his, well that's because he spent all his "juice" on the porn ladies instead of his real wife. Case closed! * dun dun *

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]Open Steam Add game to cart DOwnload game Install game Attempt to play game Crash code Internet search read forum #1 try solution #1 Download solution #1 Iinstall solution #1 Reboot PC Open steam try again direct x 11.10.15.13.22.no.one.gives.a.rats download from M$. Install reboot open steam try to play another error go nuts break computer divorce wife fight over kids oh we don't have kids yet? whose kid is in the other room there's no other room? AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!wis3boi

I don't understand your fascination with trying to act like a prepubescent child

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Open Steam. Add game to cart Download game Install game Play Try again noob. clyde46

he gets dressed?

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"] WHat if I don't want to use steam? What I just want to play a freaking Game on my PC? I'm a noob because I don't want to use steam? Lol Kid I've built more computers and fixed more rigs than you ever will. Not saying that means anything. A monkey can turn a wrench. You're the noob wis3boi

he gets dressed?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] So using a service like GoG or Origin is hard for you? How do you dress yourself in the morning dude?!clyde46

he gets dressed?

I think at this point he would say clicking the mouse twice is too hard, what if he just wants to click once! :lol: