What are your biggest disappointments this gen?

I havent seen anyone say Dragon Rising yet.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

That describes Dragon Age Origins quite well. Minus the hardcore RPG part. Compared to many RPGs I have played it was pretty darn casual.

Here is what defines a hardcore rpg for me.

LordRork

OK, you win this round ;) . But all the various "layers" of attributes to assign - skills, talents and then the crafting on top just got too much for me. I like the core mechanics (and speaking protagonist) of DA2 much better, even if the recycled scenery let the game down overall.

Ah that is ok. Considering the number of simple RPGs today it took many some time getting used to DAO. That said, DAO wasnt casual either, but some games dwarfs it in terms of hardcoreness. Pick any roguelike :).

I would rank DAO as neither a hardcore or casual RPG. Somewhere in the mid, maybe leaning a little bit towards the more casual side due to its lenience. But it was also complicated as you said (convulted one might add), so it would hardly pass as a casual game.

oooohhhh LA Noire is a good one to pick! I was very excited for it but it drove me nuts when i would use a logical piece of evidence and the game would tell me i was wrong. It seemed kind of arbitrary. Blah. masterdante

Mario Sports Mix

Zelda: Twilight Princess

Metroid: Other M

PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure

Lack of a Ep 3 announcement, after fouryears.

Fable 3, after the positive strides that Fable 2 made.

No Demons/Dark Souls for PC.

No RDR for PC.

Price hike for certain PC games.

Worthless DLC.

No Diablo 3, as of yet, 11 years after the second.

My biggest disappointment this gen would have to be my house being broken into and my 80Gb PS3 with BC, 10 PS3 games, 2 DS Lites, and 6 DS games were stolen.AmazonTreeBoa

Twilight princess was last gen wasn't it ? why are people naming it?

For me it was FF13 I was expecting the game to be bad.. it was worse :S

Gears of War 2

I don't know what went wrong but it definitely went wrong.

Oh my..

Where to begin..The list doesn't end.Needless to say,they weren't necessarily bad games..just a bit disappointing.

[QUOTE="LordRork"]

Dragon Age: Origins - Just too much of a hardcore RPG for me. It turns into a long, soulless grind.

Maroxad

That describes Dragon Age Origins quite well. Minus the hardcore RPG part. Compared to many RPGs I have played it was pretty darn casual.

Here is what defines a hardcore rpg for me.

1. Choices with potentially devestating consequences that the game doesnt warn you about beforehand.
2. Permadeath that are not scripted. Characters can permadie during normal gameplay.
3. 6 or more party members.
4. A game world that potentially fights back.
5. No threat system, enemies usually go after the targets that are the easiest to kill, usually the mages.
6. 0 level scaling.
7. Many ways to die (starvation, disentigration, falling into lava, drowning, sleep deprivation, choking ect)
8. Deadly traps.
9. No or very slow (as in it takes days to get back to full life) regeneration, in fact healing should be very limited.
10. Starvation and thirst.
11. Heavy resource management. Especially casters. They should not be able to fling spells every turn.
12. Enemies that can kill your party members in about 2-3 hits.
13. Varied enemy and encounter design, to avoid making combat too predictable.
14. Limited inventory.
15. Disease and poison which will weaken attributes and just kill a character outright if it doesnt get cured quickly enough, the damage caused by both should preferably be permanent.

Probably Dragon Age: Origins. The way everyone hyped it up here on the forums, I thought it would be some amazing game. What I played was an rpg that was far too long with severe balance issues. If you have at least two mages, the game is a cakewalk. If you want none, it becomes very difficult. A third of the game was boring, and there were so many cringe worthy lines. The game is not even difficult, second time I played through it on nightmare and died like 5 times.

Anything Nintendo related. They basically do not exist to me anymore.

On the PS3- Insomniac games. I think they are getting worse. PSN exclusives.

Wipeout is far and away my favorite download title but that is all I have cared to buy on the PSN.

God of War 3. Never been a fan and all that game did was make me less of one.

GT5- Time to make horse racing and train simulators Polyphony. You guys got owned.

Exclusives- They have so many good ones I had to start a Gamefly prescription. But in all honesty there are no great ones IMO other than Uncharted 2 and infamous 2. I never played the first infamous so I can't say on that one.

On the 360- XBLA pricing- I am fine paying for gold because they have enough specials throughout the year but the games on demand are more expensive then getting it at the store.

Rare- Kameo was great and I am one of the few people who still likes Perfect Dark Zero because of Spec-ops but they have been hit and miss way to much.

Relationship with publishers- Too many games are not getting patched and very little free content because of Microsoft. Team Fortress 2 could still alive on the 360 today but Microsoft got in the way.

Old franchises are missing- Mech Assault, Crimson Skies, Quantum Redshift, Conker, and Brute Force are all missing. Brute Force I understand....The others could of filled a void missing from the 360's line up.

Command & Conquer 4... Kane deserved SSSOOOO much better

My biggest disappointments don't have to do with any games, but rather some of the emerging trends becoming more popular in the industry. DLC, Online passes, re-releasing better versions of the game; this is the kind of crap that is really making want to go 100% retro.

Nintendo and Microsoft.

Only one game:

Earth Defense Force Insect Armageddon - Loved the other EDF games, hated this

For the industry in general?

This gen being worse than the last.

A lot of small developers dying out.

The rise of "moe" in Japanese video games.

The lack of quirky games the Japanese made in the PS1/PS2 days.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="LordRork"]

Dragon Age: Origins - Just too much of a hardcore RPG for me. It turns into a long, soulless grind.

TheOtherTheoG

That describes Dragon Age Origins quite well. Minus the hardcore RPG part. Compared to many RPGs I have played it was pretty darn casual.

Here is what defines a hardcore rpg for me.

1. Choices with potentially devestating consequences that the game doesnt warn you about beforehand.
2. Permadeath that are not scripted. Characters can permadie during normal gameplay.
3. 6 or more party members.
4. A game world that potentially fights back.
5. No threat system, enemies usually go after the targets that are the easiest to kill, usually the mages.
6. 0 level scaling.
7. Many ways to die (starvation, disentigration, falling into lava, drowning, sleep deprivation, choking ect)
8. Deadly traps.
9. No or very slow (as in it takes days to get back to full life) regeneration, in fact healing should be very limited.
10. Starvation and thirst.
11. Heavy resource management. Especially casters. They should not be able to fling spells every turn.
12. Enemies that can kill your party members in about 2-3 hits.
13. Varied enemy and encounter design, to avoid making combat too predictable.
14. Limited inventory.
15. Disease and poison which will weaken attributes and just kill a character outright if it doesnt get cured quickly enough, the damage caused by both should preferably be permanent.

Never said an RPG needs any of those attributes to qualify as one. An RPG that is. A hardcore RPG, I expect at least the game to reward skill and punish the lack of it, hence, permadeath is very common. When I made that list of typical hardcore RPG attributes, Roguelikes came into mind. Roguelikes have most of these attributes, and yet they are some of the most interesting games to play to this date. Nethack, which has been around for over 20 years is still being played today. I am sure that in 20 years time Dragon Age Origins will be long forgotten.

Hardcore RPGs are supposed to be punishing, brutal and frustrating. DAO was just lenient. It didnt really punish you for your failures, nor did it reward you for your skill.

Bioware sequels to amazing games.

(Looking at you DA2 and ME2)

Mirror's Edge was by far my biggest disappointment.

Uncharted 3 was my most recent disappointment, mostly because my hype was relatively low and it didn't deliver. Sad, Uncharted 2 is my favorite game this generation!

MW2. Damn game killed the franchise for me. I haven't had fun playing CoD since 2009.

Mirror's Edge was by far my biggest disappointment.

Uncharted 3 was my most recent disappointment, mostly because my hype was relatively low and it didn't deliver. Sad, Uncharted 2 is my favorite game this generation!

RandomWinner

Gears of War 2, Battlefield 3, Lost Planet 2, Alan Wake

For me, Metroid Prime 3 Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy, and Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

Mirror's Edge. After seeing the amount of praise the game got on SW, I got the game and was bitterly dissappointed. Gamespot's score is perfectly justified, IMO.

Final Fantasy XIII, XIV, and Dragon Age 2 for me that I remember off the top of my head.

Mirror's Edge. After seeing the amount of praise the game got on SW, I got the game and was bitterly dissappointed. Gamespot's score is perfectly justified, IMO.

Mostly_Normal

Alone in the Dark, Farcry 2 and Crysis 2.

Halo 3 - The campaign was awful and I couldn't get into the online. Custom games with friends is still a lot of fun GTA IV - Awful gameplay and I just didn't find it fun. Story was very good though and the voice work was fantastic. Gears1 and 2 - Both games were just OK for me. Both campaigns were not involving at all and I didn't find the gameplay to be that great. I did give Gears 3 a go at a friends house and I thought it was a slight step up from the previous two games.Just-Breathe

Damn, you could just have said '360' :P

Spore. I really wasn't sure why everyone was so hyped for this game until I saw a gameplay trailer for the first time. It had an amazing concept, and the gameplay seemed decent. I wouldn't label it as a bad game, but it's a disappointment considering how it seems almost incomplete after I finished it. vguy555

Ah spore, such an amazing concept. The execution left alot to be desired.

I really hope there is gonna be a spore 2 with refined gameplay.

My biggest disappointment?

So many COD clones!!!

Khoo1992

[QUOTE="LordRork"]

Dragon Age: Origins - Just too much of a hardcore RPG for me. It turns into a long, soulless grind.

Maroxad

That describes Dragon Age Origins quite well. Minus the hardcore RPG part. Compared to many RPGs I have played it was pretty darn casual.

Here is what defines a hardcore rpg for me.

1. Choices with potentially devestating consequences that the game doesnt warn you about beforehand.
2. Permadeath that are not scripted. Characters can permadie during normal gameplay.
3. 6 or more party members.
4. A game world that potentially fights back.
5. No threat system, enemies usually go after the targets that are the easiest to kill, usually the mages.
6. 0 level scaling.
7. Many ways to die (starvation, disentigration, falling into lava, drowning, sleep deprivation, choking ect)
8. Deadly traps.
9. No or very slow (as in it takes days to get back to full life) regeneration, in fact healing should be very limited.
10. Starvation and thirst.
11. Heavy resource management. Especially casters. They should not be able to fling spells every turn.
12. Enemies that can kill your party members in about 2-3 hits.
13. Varied enemy and encounter design, to avoid making combat too predictable.
14. Limited inventory.
15. Disease and poison which will weaken attributes and just kill a character outright if it doesnt get cured quickly enough, the damage caused by both should preferably be permanent.

So, which game has all of that ? And if any games exist with all of that, they sound very, very tedious.

Anyways, I found FC2, GTAIV and RDR to be disappointing, well, actually, I didn't expect anything of them since I knew they would bore me to tears, so I guess they aren't disappointments after all.

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FFXIII

MVC3

Soul Calibur IV

So, which game has all of that ?svenus97

No game that I have played has all of them, but several have over half of them. Nethack for instance has 12/15 of the things I listed. In a non roguelike example there is Thracia 776 which has 9/15. As I stated, they dont need to have all of them for me to consider them hardcore. The things I listed are only stuff that are typical elements in Hardcore RPGs.

For the sake of comparison, Dragon Age Origins have 0/15.

1. Bioware choices and "consequences". Bioware has never done C&C well, DAO is no exception.
2. The death system in DAO is extremely lenient. In BG for instance if someone died, you would have to rezz him and ressurection spells werent cheap. In BG2 however, your clerics should have Raise Dead. As if that wasnt bad enough, whenever a party member dies, he/she might die forever.
3. DAO has 4 party members at once.
4. The world is under attack, but no rush to complete missions or such. Unlike in Thracia 776 in which enemies will not only try to destroy all nearby towns potentially removing access to party members, side quests and loot (and you will need loot, because the game gives you nothing, you will have to work to get funds).
5. DAO uses a threat system. So no one except the guy with the highest threat (usually he is in plate as well) is in any risk of dying. Not only making tactics in DAO pretty much non-existant, but also makes the enemy dumb.
6. Dragon Age Origins had obvious use of level scaling.
7. In DAO, the only way you can die is by running out of HP. And in one of the endings.
8. There are a few traps in Random Encounters in DAO, but they were pretty harmless from memory.
9. Whenever I entered fights my party members had always full mana and health again, healing items were pretty abundant as well.
10. There is no hunger or thirst.
11. My mages spammed spells. Since loot scaled to your level, money wasnt an issue either.
12. In DAO combat was sluggish. And enemies and players took a while to kill. I never felt like a single mess up would kill one of my characters. Coming ill prepared against a black dragon in Nethack will get you killed.
13. Dragon Age Origins was nothing more than a copy pasta in terms of encounter design. It was seriously the biggest reason why Dragon Age Origins is a piece of junk.
14. Yeah... no.
15. Again no.