What determines the Winner of SW?(Poll)

Both.

In reality, that's what it should be. The real winner should have excellent games and sales to back it up.

There will never be a "Winner"

The world keeps spinning.

I think both is better than one or the other, but if I only chose one I'd choose games. Both seems more balanced though.

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

Games

and this was once a stickied thread and a poll was involved. More votes went to games. /thread

Sales, because it's objective, and it ends in both anyway. :)

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

DaBrainz

Games.

I don't enjoy playing sales.

The quality of a game is entirely subjective. Sales is the only reasonable method because they are based in pure fact. There is no universally good or bad game.famicommander

Thats why we have standards to judge, they may be opinions but they're still agreed upon standards like Gamespot, IGN, Metacritic and Gamerrankings. Games are way more important, no one goes into best buy and asks the clerk which one has the most hardware sales they instead ask which has 'the most games/the best games' or they look at the large shelf space each system has. No one makes their decision based around sales.

my sig decides the winneranshul89

You do know that you have to involve an AAAA section now right to your sig?

Preferably one like this

AAAA Games this Gen (#exclusiv) PC: 0 (0):lol: 360: 1(0)8) PS3: 1(1)8) Wii: 0(0):lol:

[QUOTE="anshul89"]my sig decides the winnerxscrapzx

You do know that you have to involve an AAAA section now right to your sig?

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

Pro_wrestler

apparently the general public doesn't care if it's lacking 3rd party support... or maybe it isn't lacking 3rd party support to them...

Fanboy and long term gamers are jaded in that they think there opinion of what is good or bad support is the general public opinion...

Sales are a measure that don't have a fanboy, or gamer / non gamer bias to it.

There has to be a medium or else whats the point of SW? Everyone has elected standards on how to judge games or else sites like this wouldn't exist.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

GundamGuy0

apparently the general public doesn't care if it's lacking 3rd party support... or maybe it isn't lacking 3rd party support to them...

Fanboy and long term gamers are jaded in that they think there opinion of what is good or bad support is the general public opinion...

Sales are a measure that don't have a fanboy, or gamer / non gamer bias to it.

But sales aren't the best way to determine the quality of anything. Most here wouldn't consider 50 Cent bulletproof better than 95% of the PS3's library because it has sold more. No, it makes the most sense to go by critical acclaim IMO.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

Pro_wrestler

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

Why doesn't someone just bump the thread that had the poll on it made by Casey, so that people who weren't aware know the answer to this question.xscrapzx

That poll was scrapped for one with the option "anarchy." Anarchy won. :)

No "official" BS please. If you need a poll to prove a point, you don't have a very good argument.

There has to be a medium or else whats the point of SW? Everyone has elected standards on how to judge games or else sites like this wouldn't exist.

Pro_wrestler

No these sites exist because we can't agree on the standards. If we all agreed there would be no "war".

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

Pro_wrestler

apparently the general public doesn't care if it's lacking 3rd party support... or maybe it isn't lacking 3rd party support to them...

Fanboy and long term gamers are jaded in that they think there opinion of what is good or bad support is the general public opinion...

Sales are a measure that don't have a fanboy, or gamer / non gamer bias to it.

But sales aren't the best way to determine the quality of anything. Most here wouldn't consider 50 Cent bulletproof better than 95% of the PS3's library because it has sold more. No, it makes the most sense to go by critical acclaim IMO.

I don't think anyone is debating that how well a piece of software sells tells you how good it is...

The debate is weather game scores or hardware sales should decide the winner, and it's both.

There has to be a medium or else whats the point of SW? Everyone has elected standards on how to judge games or else sites like this wouldn't exist.

Pro_wrestler

The problem is, we don't all use sites like this.

And sites like this, especially this site, can be wrong.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Both!

The best games are always opinion, so it's hard to just go by them.

The best sales are like a popular vote among the masses of which console is preferred.

Pro_wrestler

apparently the general public doesn't care if it's lacking 3rd party support... or maybe it isn't lacking 3rd party support to them...

Fanboy and long term gamers are jaded in that they think there opinion of what is good or bad support is the general public opinion...

Sales are a measure that don't have a fanboy, or gamer / non gamer bias to it.

But sales aren't the best way to determine the quality of anything. Most here wouldn't consider 50 Cent bulletproof better than 95% of the PS3's library because it has sold more. No, it makes the most sense to go by critical acclaim IMO.

But tbh, and I like to think this goes for most people, the top 10 games on gamerankings do not reflect my top 10. There are maybe 2 or 3 games in the GR top 10 that deserve to go in my top 25.

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

DaBrainz

I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion but the winner of system wars isn't determined by yours, its determined by the collective. And that can never be JUST SALES. Or else a person with no knowledge of games can be just as knowledgeable as you are about games, someone who has done it for years.

I don't think anyone is debating that how well a piece of software sells tells you how good it is...

The debate is weather game scores or hardware sales should decide the winner, and it's both.

GundamGuy0

I know its both, seems like he was trying to say sales alone. Sales can never be the sole reason.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

Pro_wrestler

I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion but the winner of system wars isn't determined by yours, its determined by the collective. And that can never be JUST SALES. Or else a person with no knowledge of games can be just as knowledgeable as you are about games, someone who has done it for years.

So your an elitist?

Why shouldn't new gamers opinions count? Because they don't like the same stuff as you?

And why do you assume that the people are buying consoles with no knowledge about games? Is that your excuse for the Wii selling so well?

So your an elitist?

Why shouldn't new gamers opinions count? Because they don't like the same stuff as you?

And why do you assume that the people are buying consoles with no knowledge about games? Is that your excuse for the Wii selling so well?

GundamGuy0

I didn't quote you so don't suggest things I haven't said, your taking it into a whole different discussion.

Both and here's why.
Sales attract developers.
While this attracts shovelware, it also attracts amazing games.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]Why doesn't someone just bump the thread that had the poll on it made by Casey, so that people who weren't aware know the answer to this question.Tsug_Ze_Wind

That poll was scrapped for one with the option "anarchy." Anarchy won. :)

No "official" BS please. If you need a poll to prove a point, you don't have a very good argument.

I was never aware of that I thought games were voted the most. My apologies and what is wrong with having a standard? I don't think a poll is unfair as far as SW goes. I think it would be fair and relevant to have the system that wins be judged by AAA titles, considering that is what is touted most around here about which one is more supieror. Hey what do I know?

I think a poll is a good point, if more people vote on something that is a genral consensus on why something is good or bad.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

Pro_wrestler

I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion but the winner of system wars isn't determined by yours, its determined by the collective. And that can never be JUST SALES. Or else a person with no knowledge of games can be just as knowledgeable as you are about games, someone who has done it for years.

But I don't consider the 100 or so people who reviewed the game listed on GR "the collective". Frankly most reviewers I read don't know their arm from there butt. I consider the 100s of millions of people who purchase consoles and games "the collective", and these people will never have a massive vote of what the best games are. If they did, games like Madden and GH would be there instead of Zelda and Mario.

I was never aware of that I thought games were voted the most. My apologies and what is wrong with having a standard? I don't think a poll is unfair as far as SW goes. I think it would be fair and relevant to have the system that wins be judged by AAA titles, considering that is what is touted most around here about which one is more supieror. Hey what do I know?

I think a poll is a good point, if more people vote on something that is a genral consensus on why something is good or bad.

xscrapzx

Yeah, the original "Official" Games vs. Sales poll turned into a huge mess, and so it was redone with the option for "Anarchy," that we didn't need an official standard. If I recall correctly, anarchy won by a landslide.

The problem with a poll is that this debate has been going on for a long time, and...well, it's ending a debate with a poll. It may never end without a standard, but that's much better than ending it as a popularity contest, y'know?

IMO both. This generation may possibly end up as a tie.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

DaBrainz

I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion but the winner of system wars isn't determined by yours, its determined by the collective. And that can never be JUST SALES. Or else a person with no knowledge of games can be just as knowledgeable as you are about games, someone who has done it for years.

But I don't consider the 100 or so people who reviewed the game listed on GR "the collective". Frankly most reviewers I read don't know their arm from there butt. I consider the 100s of millions of people who purchase consoles and games "the collective", and these people will never have a massive vote of what the best games are. If they did, games like Madden and GH would be there instead of Zelda and Mario.

I'm not talking about just sites like these when I say the collective; The 8.5mln people who bought Halo 3, the numerous high praises that is has recieved from countless sources are the collective(NOT the people who could care less about gaming); Who are you going to believe more, a guy like Jack Thompson when he says "Halo is a bad game" - when he hasn't even played it or the hundreds of publications and millions of gamers who sing Halos praises? Anyone can have an opinion, not all are profound and rightceous.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Yet my opinion tells me that the Wii has more good games than the PS3.

The facts say that the Wii outsells PS3 every month.

You can disagree with one but not the other.

Pro_wrestler

I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion but the winner of system wars isn't determined by yours, its determined by the collective. And that can never be JUST SALES. Or else a person with no knowledge of games can be just as knowledgeable as you are about games, someone who has done it for years.

But I don't consider the 100 or so people who reviewed the game listed on GR "the collective". Frankly most reviewers I read don't know their arm from there butt. I consider the 100s of millions of people who purchase consoles and games "the collective", and these people will never have a massive vote of what the best games are. If they did, games like Madden and GH would be there instead of Zelda and Mario.

I'm not talking about just sites like these when I say the collective; The 8.5mln people who bought Halo 3, the numerous high praises that is has recieved from countless sources are the collective(NOT the people who could care less about gaming); Who are you going to believe more, a guy like Jack Thompson when he says "Halo is a bad game"- when he hasn't even played it or the hundreds of publications and millions of gamers who sing Halos praises? Anyone can have an opinion, not all are profound and rightceous.

But when you 8.5million people bought Halo 3 you are claiming sales matter:o

And the praise it received from countless sources I believe are in fact the 100 or so people I mentioned before on GR(unless I'm missing something). Yes Jack Thompson is a lunatic, but IMO so is the guy who gave LostWinds a 5.5, that review was neither profound nor righteous.

But when you 8.5million people bought Halo 3 you are claiming sales matter:o

And the praise it received from countless sources I believe are in fact the 100 or so people I mentioned before on GR(unless I'm missing something). Yes Jack Thompson is a lunatic, but IMO so is the guy who gave LostWinds a 5.5, that review was neither profound nor righteous.

DaBrainz

No Im saying BOTH matters to some extent..not each on their own.