what do you expect in X-Box 720 ? And can the PS3 compete wz it?

there are strong rumors that M$ is planning to announce the new Xbox this year at E3, the jump between the original xbox and the x360 wasn't that big, so naturally i am not expecting so much but M$ now realizes that Sony can bring new ideas and strong hardwared like bluray and the Cell so M$ should consider that.

if the rumors are true, then we shall see the PS3 aganist x72 face to face for at least 2-3 yrs ( Sony is still commited to 10 yrs life span), does the PS3 have any chance in this compitition? will the companies still support it despite its hard developmnets? is it going to sell as Sony expects?

there is no way MS will announce a new console this year!

I expect the both of them to fail in comparison to PC just like usual.

If they do for the love of god I hope its not called the "Xbox 720"... they need to break the trend of using the same name consoles like "****2, 3, 4..." so on and keep each new console fresh.

there is no way MS will announce a new console this year!

navstar29

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

forget ps3 competing with it it couldnt even compete with a wii ,

and your asking if it can compete with a console with better graphics,

you sir , fail ,

an old console cant compete with a new one,

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

-Traveller-

there are strong rumors that M$ is planning to announce the new Xbox this year at E3,

2mrw

Are you sure there are strong rumors?

Are you sure you didnt uh... make that up?

Yeah I'm leaning on the second one....

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

bingbaocao

I agree, it'll turn a profit at some point though, relatively soon I would think. We'll have to see.

Either way, I was just correcting the TC.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

2mrw

I know it was, in which they stated they're going to support the PS3, like they have done with the PS2 up until it's 10th year (coming up).

We saw the PS3 before the PS2's 10th year, just like we will see the PS4 before then.

Plus in this recession, I see a new console release from both companies in 2011 at the earliest, or possibly 2012.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

-Traveller-

I agree, it'll turn a profit at some point though, relatively soon I would think. We'll have to see.

Either way, I was just correcting the TC.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] if the PS3 doesn't start turning in a proffit i doubt it will last that long.bingbaocao

I agree, it'll turn a profit at some point though, relatively soon I would think. We'll have to see.

Either way, I was just correcting the TC.

I'm surprised they got it down so quick, especially with the original cost of Blu-Ray. At the end of the day, as long as they make some profit, it would be pointless to discontinue. Much like with the PS2.

If they released another xbox this soon I'd be pissed, and I think alot of other people would be to, also I doubt many people would buy it around this time when the recession is here

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

moose_knuckler

Yup, Bingbaocao and me were just talking about it.

I only see them carrying on if they turn a profit.

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

forget ps3 competing with it it couldnt even compete with a wii ,

and your asking if it can compete with a console with better graphics,

you sir , fail ,

an old console cant compete with a new one,

mariokart64fan

Microsoft is stupid, they aren't going to risk alienating there fanbase launching a new console only 4 years after the 360 was released. The 360 has been to much of a succes for that to happen.

Besides, if Microsoft launched this early they'd be killed (and I'm mean slaughtered, annihilated, dead on arrival) when Sony and Nintendo launch there next generation console which you would have far superior technology than the Nextbox. It would be exactly what happened to the Dreamcast, great sales at first but then everything would go south with the arrival of the true next generation.

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

forget ps3 competing with it it couldnt even compete with a wii ,

and your asking if it can compete with a console with better graphics,

you sir , fail ,

an old console cant compete with a new one,

The_Brodeo

In terms of sales, no way. In terms of games, both left the Wii behind a while ago :P

Microsoft is stupid, they aren't going to risk alienating there fanbase launching a new console only 4 years after the 360 was released. The 360 has been to much of a succes for that to happen.

Besides, if Microsoft launched this early they'd be killed (and I'm mean slaughtered, annihilated, dead on arrival) when Sony and Nintendo launch there next generation console which you would have far superior technology than the Nextbox. It would be exactly what happened to the Dreamcast, great sales at first but then everything would go south with the arrival of the true next generation.

Rick_Henderson

If they do for the love of god I hope its not called the "Xbox 720"... they need to break the trend of using the same name consoles like "****2, 3, 4..." so on and keep each new console fresh.

Prince_Denspion

TC you realize that Sony is supporting the PS3 for 10 years, much like they have done with the PS2?

We will likely see a PS4 and 720 release at a similar time.

as i recall, i said "announced NOT released" in my original post, hypothetically speaking, if the new xbox is released this year, would the PS3 have any chance to continue selling? And what do you expect in the new xbox? these were my original questions.

as i recall, i said "announced NOT released" in my original post, hypothetically speaking, if the new xbox is released this year, would the PS3 have any chance to continue selling? And what do you expect in the new xbox? these were my original questions.

2mrw

Unless the new Xbox is released at the same price point as the PS3, I would see the 720 gaining no traction initially in this market.

A lot of people just don't have the money.

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

as i recall, i said "announced NOT released" in my original post, hypothetically speaking, if the new xbox is released this year, would the PS3 have any chance to continue selling? And what do you expect in the new xbox? these were my original questions.

-Traveller-

Unless the new Xbox is released at the same price point as the PS3, I would see the 720 gaining no traction initially in this market.

A lot of people just don't have the money.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

as i recall, i said "announced NOT released" in my original post, hypothetically speaking, if the new xbox is released this year, would the PS3 have any chance to continue selling? And what do you expect in the new xbox? these were my original questions.

bingbaocao

Unless the new Xbox is released at the same price point as the PS3, I would see the 720 gaining no traction initially in this market.

A lot of people just don't have the money.

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

Unless the new Xbox is released at the same price point as the PS3, I would see the 720 gaining no traction initially in this market.

A lot of people just don't have the money.

-Traveller-

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

well... they could go the way of direct download.

Technically that would eliminate the need for a disc drive and it's related costs

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] and if they DO release the nextbox at the same price the PS3 is now i won't be able to help but wonder just how much of an improvement the new hardware is over the PS3bingbaocao

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

well... they could go the way of direct download.

Technically that would eliminate the need for a disc drive and it's related costs

Very true, but I think we're too early, infrastructure wise. Looking at over 5gb per game (compressed to hell and back).

I only get a 60gb cap on my bandwidth :cry:

I want to move to Japan :evil:

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

-Traveller-

well... they could go the way of direct download.

Technically that would eliminate the need for a disc drive and it's related costs

Very true, but I think we're too early, infrastructure wise. Looking at over 5gb per game (compressed to hell and back).

I only get a 60gb cap on my bandwidth :cry:

I want to move to Japan :evil:

this is why i believe that microsoft should buy out the makers of KGB (the compression program)

it can literally turn a 50GB file in to only a few KB

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"] if the PS3 doesn't start turning in a proffit i doubt it will last that long.bingbaocao

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

well... they could go the way of direct download.

Technically that would eliminate the need for a disc drive and it's related costs

bingbaocao

Very true, but I think we're too early, infrastructure wise. Looking at over 5gb per game (compressed to hell and back).

I only get a 60gb cap on my bandwidth :cry:

I want to move to Japan :evil:

this is why i believe that microsoft should buy out the makers of KGB (the compression program)

it can literally turn a 50GB file in to only a few KB

Interesting. I wonder if it would have any effect on the content of the game (loss/degredation etc). If not that is some pretty damn interesting stuff.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

Very true, but I think we're too early, infrastructure wise. Looking at over 5gb per game (compressed to hell and back).

I only get a 60gb cap on my bandwidth :cry:

I want to move to Japan :evil:

-Traveller-

this is why i believe that microsoft should buy out the makers of KGB (the compression program)

it can literally turn a 50GB file in to only a few KB

Interesting. I wonder if it would have any effect on the content of the game (loss/degredation etc). If not that is some pretty damn interesting stuff.

well the way i see it:

you download the compressed file

you uncrompress it on your xbox

and you play it with no loss/degradation

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"] Sure... You just keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day it might become true.jshaas

It's not just Sony that owns Blu-Ray. Also Microsoft were invited to join the Blu-Ray association, but turned it down. Probably due to the HD-DVD format being in direct competition.

First of all, Sony started breaking even on the PS3 a few months ago. jshaas

If by a few months ago you mean Q4 2008... well it was christmas, it is to be expected. If the PS3 did turn a proffit in Q3 2008 then you are correct

Tr. ON TOPIC... you do realize that for the next Xbox to compete with the PS3 MS would have to pay Sony to use the Blu-Ray technology.jshaas

Maybe

This will not happen. Why would anyone pay the competition for their tech?? .

Since they won't, MS will have to use DVD again... well that format has reached it's potential, and nobody wants to switch discs with every game. This is why I think the next consoles we see will run mostly on ditigal copy... even now you can get any song or any movie ditigally... it's only a matter of time until games are the same (some are already... SOCOM, Warhawk, Burnout, etc.). On Demand will also be a big part of the next genjshaas

i agree

EDIT: this was the latest quarter i could find about sony, it still suffered a loss

I highly doubt MS is going to be stupid enough to release a new system already, I bet its a new Motion control game, trying to be like the Wii.

Although some games have motion established already, it might turn out successful. And Wii Owners will get jealous, and Xbox 360 owners with Wii's will get pissed for buying them

[QUOTE="xBloodrazorX"]

I highly doubt MS is going to be stupid enough to release a new system already, I bet its a new Motion control game, trying to be like the Wii.

Although some games have motion established already, it might turn out successful. And Wii Owners will get jealous, and Xbox 360 owners with Wii's will get pissed for buying them

2mrw

I doubt it, I know they are both in development and patented...but I doubt they will make their way, and if so as a add on not the main controler

This year would be a bad year to introduce a new console, I wouldn't be surprised if i new one came out next holiday season though. No, i dont think the PS3 could compete with the new Xbox. Sony will have the PS4 ready to drop when M$ drops their next console. Sony understands that M$'s one year head start really costed them a lot of potential sells and got a lot of people fired. They wont make that mistake again. lhughey

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

Unless the new Xbox is released at the same price point as the PS3, I would see the 720 gaining no traction initially in this market.

A lot of people just don't have the money.

-Traveller-

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

[QUOTE="Prince_Denspion"]

If they do for the love of god I hope its not called the "Xbox 720"... they need to break the trend of using the same name consoles like "****2, 3, 4..." so on and keep each new console fresh.

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] and if they DO release the nextbox at the same price the PS3 is now i won't be able to help but wonder just how much of an improvement the new hardware is over the PS3lhughey

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

Their are much stronger GPU's and CPU's and GPU's are the most important part, also Moore's law has kinda been put on halt for now, we've reached the limit, until someone finds a more efficient design of a processor

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] and if they DO release the nextbox at the same price the PS3 is now i won't be able to help but wonder just how much of an improvement the new hardware is over the PS3lhughey

Very true, unless they decided not to go with Blu-Ray, sticking with DVD again (which I just can't see).

Even then, the tech wouldn't be a huge jump over PS3/360.

Unless they suprise us all and go Wii this time around :P

I said it wouldn't be a "huge jump", dependant on the price they want the console to sit at. If it's staying competitive with the PS3 price (hypothetical), they wouldn't be able to stick a much more advanced GPU/CPU in. Otherwise they'd end up with a huge price at the beginning of their gen.

MS won't announce the Xbox 720 this year. It will be announced 2 years from now. Nonstop-Madness