What do you think of Valve?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Valve is amazing/10 Not only do they make freaking awesome games they also made Steam. Consoles wish they had steam. They also wish they had our version of TF2.Unnatural101

Steam/Steamworks is coming to consoles....specifically the PS3.

Valve's still an overrated One Trick Pony though.

steamWORKS is coming to ps3, not steam.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]I think that with all the money they are making from Steam and their past titles they should be doubling their work force and bringing me games faster. I think the same about Blizzard and Bioware as well. spookykid143

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steamWORKS is coming to ps3, not steam.

firefluff3

Honestly, I could care less about what it's specifically called.

What I care about is that PS3 and PC gamers are going to play together....So Console gamers get to crash the PC party, so to speak. lol

[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="Derp_over9000"] wait wha, what is this? I don't even...:P

Derp_over9000

I don't think Bungie is as good as they used to be.

Halo CE - AWESOME

Halo 2 - AWESOME

Halo 3 - Eh, getting somewhat stale but still awesome none the less.

Halo ODST - yuck

Halo Reach - Vast improvement over ODST, but things are just feeling old now. The maps are all pretty boring 'cept for Reflection, which is from Halo 2. Still, the games a lot of fun. I'm just glad Bungie is hanging it up and moving on.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

I like Valve when they aren't working on Half Life at this point.

What Left 4 Dead lacks in content(well 2 fixed that a bit) it made up for in being the epitome of cooperative gaming. It was unique when it came out, and it's entire styIe of play is still its own thing. It's highly replayable, and the competitive MP side of it is a lot of fun to play. It just needs more acts.

Portal is probably one of the best puzzle games I've played. The stupid "the cake is a lie" meme was killed thanks to the Internet, but the game is damn good.

Team Fortress 2 is probably the best shooter MP this gen. Half Life 2 on the other hand I have a love/hate for. I love the pacing, the presentation, gravity gun, and I like that it tries to stay varied. I absolutely dislike the combat(it's ass), the vehicles(the controls are ass), and the puzzles are pathetic(major waste of time). That and I really do not think it aged as well as everyone says it does. **** was archaic in the gunplay department the day it came out. The hell do you think happened to it years later?

So yeah personally I love Valve with less Half Life, more everything else. Portal 2 looks ace. DoTA could be interesting.

finalfantasy94

To be honest Thats what I want from them. While I agree the driving was bad I disagree with everything els you said. I could care less about portal 2 since while portal1 was fun I dont see it as the GOD some gamers do. I just want my next half life since thats what I really like from them.

[QUOTE="Derp_over9000"]

[QUOTE="badtaker"] theses are overrated developers you forgot to mention :PMaster_ShakeXXX

I don't think Bungie is as good as they used to be.

Halo CE - AWESOME

Halo 2 - AWESOME

Halo 3 - Eh, getting somewhat stale but still awesome none the less.

Halo ODST - yuck

Halo Reach - Vast improvement over ODST, but things are just feeling old now. The maps are all pretty boring 'cept for Reflection, which is from Halo 2. Still, the games a lot of fun. I'm just glad Bungie is hanging it up and moving on.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Derp_over9000"] I agree with Bungie, as much as I love me some Halo (and I do love me some Halo) people prasie them as the best dev of all time. However I could argue a bit is deserved, they have tight games and an ability to craft wonderful universes. Naughty Dog..I am less familiar with and even less familiar with their product, howvever they seem to be great devs that can do much (they did crash bandicoot back in the day right) and vary their games. However I will agree that the Hype surronding UC is a bit Over rated, though I havent played, so I cant prpperly judge wheter the hype is worthy or not. I do not know Kojima at all....they did MGS right? If so, I only have a Gamecube game if theirs that I have attpemted a few times, but I can't grasp it:P So I cant realy judge them either.

jg4xchamp

I don't think Bungie is as good as they used to be.

Halo CE - AWESOME

Halo 2 - AWESOME

Halo 3 - Eh, getting somewhat stale but still awesome none the less.

Halo ODST - yuck

Halo Reach - Vast improvement over ODST, but things are just feeling old now. The maps are all pretty boring 'cept for Reflection, which is from Halo 2. Still, the games a lot of fun. I'm just glad Bungie is hanging it up and moving on.

Agreed. Halo 2 maps were boss, and I honestly can't remember a single one of them that I didn't enjoy playing on. I was playing Reach at my buddies house last weekend and we were just moving from match type to match type, having a decent amount of fun but nothing crazy. Then we played Infection and was addicted for the rest of the night. That was flippen sweet. Alteast the gameplay is still fun enough that it tanscends the crappy maps.

[QUOTE="Derp_over9000"] I believe them to be arrogant and highly over-rated. While I won't deny that the L4D is series is heaps of fun. That is all they have that appelas to me, I can play the occasional match of TF2, but I don't understand the amzing praise they get, I think that this all goes to their heads. They really like to dangle the carrot of a new half-life in fron tof their fans, when it could easily have released long ago, surely they dont have all of their talents towrds the massivly over-rated portal 2 or their next announced title DOTA 2? Could they have not broke up into organized groups like other Devs do and perhaps have a permanent Half-life team, since it is such a popular IP? They seem reluctant to birth a new engine as well, while Source is doing a fair enoguh job keeping pace, the time is about right make something new? The pedigree they have seems undeserved recently, L4D2 being the only strong thing recently out, while their other games continue to thrive of mods the community makes. Thats my ant, agree? Disagree? I am curious to see what people think of them. Unnatural101

VALVE is an overrated one trick pony.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

[QUOTE="Derp_over9000"] I believe them to be arrogant and highly over-rated. While I won't deny that the L4D is series is heaps of fun. That is all they have that appelas to me, I can play the occasional match of TF2, but I don't understand the amzing praise they get, I think that this all goes to their heads. They really like to dangle the carrot of a new half-life in fron tof their fans, when it could easily have released long ago, surely they dont have all of their talents towrds the massivly over-rated portal 2 or their next announced title DOTA 2? Could they have not broke up into organized groups like other Devs do and perhaps have a permanent Half-life team, since it is such a popular IP? They seem reluctant to birth a new engine as well, while Source is doing a fair enoguh job keeping pace, the time is about right make something new? The pedigree they have seems undeserved recently, L4D2 being the only strong thing recently out, while their other games continue to thrive of mods the community makes. Thats my ant, agree? Disagree? I am curious to see what people think of them. oldkingallant

VALVE is an overrated one trick pony.

Half of those games you mention, Valve didn't even make those....Valve is a fraud.

All they make are 1st person shooter/perspective games, and most of their games aren't even "their" games.

Yes,

overrated one trick pony = Valve

I love them, I just wish they'd hurry up and give us our Half-Life 3! :x

They made DD popular and viable solution

they made HL series

they released 5 amazing games in the price of one

they made probably the best and most mind-Bending game this gen with an amazing ending song that alone worth playing the game for ( PORTAL )

they have great mod support on their games ( source engine is the most popular engine for users that create mods )

Their MP games are been played years after they released by thousands of people ( at least more than 100000 at any given time they play a 10year old game called counter strike on steam)

Not long ago they released a good free game ( alien swarm )

Their game support is the best among devs ( at least on pc ) that shows they care about those who buy their products ( one should see the hundreds if not thousands of updates they released and they still release for TF 2 )

They had Stalker SOC for 1,75 euros at one point which it was the best gaming deal ever

Half-Life 1: Birth of modern cinematic FPS. Play the first 10 minutes of any FPS before HL1, then the first ten of HL1 and tell me the difference isn't night and day. Everything else feels archaic, HL doesn't, nuff said.

Half-Life 2: Built on HL1 design principles, and created an awesome dystopian gameworld through great art direction and a hugely innovative physics engine. Like HL1 it had all the basics right as well, with superior level design and great pacing.

Left 4 Dead: Take something like Metal Slug, turn it 3D, make it more immersive by giving it a grindhouse feel, but retain the fun, arcadey co-op formula of creating variety and difficulty through an increasingly difficult, increasingly fun series of monsters to fight in well designed levels, and you have left 4 dead.

Portal: Difficult and filled with ironic humor and personality that make it immersive, the latter being pretty much entirely unique in the puzzle genre.

Left 4 Dead 2: Took everything that left 4 dead was and made it better, and added tons of great stuff for competitive multi-player.

Team Fortress 2: Frenetic, fun, fast. Three words that perfectly describe TF2, and the three most important words for any Multi-Player shooter. Has been updated regularly and constantly.

Alien Swarm: Fun, Co-Op class based top-down shooter given away for free.

1. As a company they turned what was a bad thing in Steam on day 1 in 2004 and turned it into the XBL of the PC, and added an amazing store on top of it. 2. They've been very friendly to modders and community development from day 1 and obviously HL1 and HL2 are some of the most modded games ever.
3. They've promoted indie development at the Steam store, and acquired the talented indie team that went on to make Portal.

The games they have chosen to publish from other teams have all been interesting, deserving efforts: Red Orchestra, Darwinia, Counter-Strike.

They are not over-rated in my opinion. They are rightly respected as great developers who've made a great company.

All they do is sitting on their pile of steam cleaned cash. :P

Half of those games you mention, Valve didn't even make those....Valve is a fraud.

Unnatural101

Valve has always been a big collection of modders as a company, even when they first started half life alot of the people they hired were modders. That did them alot of good, So they continued this trend by hiring the really talented modders they found, hence those modders are now part of valve. I never understood this argument that games like tf2 and L4D arent "valve's" games. They are made by employees of valve, they are polished, perfected, and given funds to do what the modders had probably only wished for; by employees of valve.

What exactly do you want them to say when they are released? "Developed by Valve software, but not really, only the people working at valve made it, but it isnt something made by valve software" :?

This argument has consistently been one of the weakest arguments used to bash Valve, when the people are unable to actually raise any argument they resort to some sort of semantics attack that makes little sense.

The only one with real grounds for controversy iin this argument is DOTA, but valve bashers have been trying this long before DOTA2 was ever announced.

Half-Life 1: Birth of modern cinematic FPS. Play the first 10 minutes of any FPS before HL1, then the first ten of HL1 and tell me the difference isn't night and day. Everything else feels archaic, HL doesn't, nuff said.

Seiki_sands

Nope...

Goldeneye N64 did it first...a year ahead of Half Life.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

VALVE is an overrated one trick pony.

Unnatural101

Half of those games you mention, Valve didn't even make those....Valve is a fraud.

All they make are 1st person shooter/perspective games, and most of their games aren't even "their" games.

Yes,

overrated one trick pony = Valve

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

Half-Life 1: Birth of modern cinematic FPS. Play the first 10 minutes of any FPS before HL1, then the first ten of HL1 and tell me the difference isn't night and day. Everything else feels archaic, HL doesn't, nuff said.

Unnatural101

Nope...

Goldeneye N64 did it first...a year ahead of Half Life.

They used to be my favorite developer. The experience Half-life gave me is what got me interested in gaming in the first place. Half-life 2 was awesome as well eventhough it took 6 years of waiting.

Now 6 years have passed since HL2 and what have we got ? 2 short episodes :(

Another thing I really liked and still like about them is their support for the (mod)community. There are few companies who treat their (mod)community like Valve. However my favorite mod, Day of Defeat, should have stayed a mod and Valve shouldn't have hired the team behind it. It seems to me that Valve puts more time and effort in the TF2 hats than they did in Day of Defeat: Source, what a shame :(

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

lol im pretty sure "unnatural" and "derp" are the same person trolling. I don't even see why you would even have a problem with them. Don't like their games, thats fine, but millions of others do. You could completely ignore valve and everything htey do and still have a plethora of great devs to choose from. Your just wasting your time grumbling over something completely trivial

Derp_over9000

quite clever, but the fact is you come off as a troll claiming how they are overrated and the like. Sure you have your opinions and I have mine, but to say that they have done nothing noteworthy is like saying Bethoven was mediocre. lets face it, there was never anything to discuss. You came into this thread with this idea that you disliked valve, no post on my part or anyone elses will change that. I just offered that you instead find another dev and quit complaining, and thus contributed to this thread

[QUOTE="Derp_over9000"]

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

lol im pretty sure "unnatural" and "derp" are the same person trolling. I don't even see why you would even have a problem with them. Don't like their games, thats fine, but millions of others do. You could completely ignore valve and everything htey do and still have a plethora of great devs to choose from. Your just wasting your time grumbling over something completely trivial

tutt3r

quite clever, but the fact is you come off as a troll claiming how they are overrated and the like. Sure you have your opinions and I have mine, but to say that they have done nothing noteworthy is like saying Bethoven was mediocre. lets face it, there was never anything to discuss. You came into this thread with this idea that you disliked valve, no post on my part or anyone elses will change that. I just offered that you instead find another dev and quit complaining, and thus contributed to this thread

how is Valve a one trick Pony? they have more than half life...

Infinity word is a one trick pony

Rockstar is a one trick pony

bungie is a one trick pony

they take all the credit where credit is not due.

they did not make Counter-Strike. 2 modders did.

they did not make Left 4 Dead. modders did.

did not make Portal. students did.

did not make Day of Defeat. modders did.

did not make Team Fortress. modders did.

what they do is they look at people who have original ideas like the games above, and hire them, then slapping a Valve logo at the end-product.

all they ever did was Half Life. from that those above games were born, but Valve's only creative input for me was Half Life. those other games are born from other people's minds. people outside the studio. the ideas were already conceived even before Valve hired them.

rawr89

they take all the credit where credit is not due.

they did not make Counter-Strike. 2 modders did.

they did not make Left 4 Dead. modders did.

did not make Portal. students did.

did not make Day of Defeat. modders did.

did not make Team Fortress. modders did.

what they do is they look at people who have original ideas like the games above, and hire them, then slapping a Valve logo at the end-product.

all they ever did was Half Life. from that those above games were born, but Valve's only creative input for me was Half Life. those other games are born from other people's minds. people outside the studio. the ideas were already conceived even before Valve hired them.

rawr89

That's what Valve is, a collective of modders. What would have happened to Narbacular Drop if it wasn't for Valve? What would have happened to Alien Swarm? Or Counter Strike? Or Team Fortress? They would have decayed and faded from existence apart from a few hardcore fans. What Valve is doing is fantastic, never mind once Valve hires those people they become Valve. How isn't Portal Valve when the IP creators are happily apart of the company? You know those students? They aren't students anymore, they are Valve. Maybe this is why Valve is still relevant despite being so old, plenty of other companies have faded yet Valve is here to stay and making fans happy.

When did you start gaming then? Ill never forget the first time I played Half Life, I felt so immersed having the story just happen around me as you play, ofcourse Im sure you enjoy that in a lot of games these days but remember why please.

Portal

TF

Fear

L4D

One trick pony my ****. Plus they gave me Alien Swarm :P.

Valve made steam, one of the best things ever to happen to the pc world this gen.

I think they did a whole lot of awesome stuff years back and then got super lazy. At least when they do come with something, its quality, so I cant really complain.

Portal 2 should be pretty kick ass.

Ask me after DotA 2 comes out.

I don't hate them, but I don't like them either. The majority of their games are seriously overrated since they're mostly mediocre IMO

If Valve weren't such fraudelent shams, I might have more respect for their game development as a whole.

But currently, they basically pilfer and cherry pick better talent and teck under the guise of their Steam community.

Overrated One Trick Pony...that's what Valve basically is.

I don't like them

A bit overrated in my opinion, but still one of the stronger developers out there.

Valve is like the empire before starwars got good and awesome. I feel they are just waiting for the right moment to strike back because we gave them the power of PC gaming, and so far everything is good for now.....

Valve are like liverpool football club. They were gods back in the day, but right now they are just meh.

I have Steam on my iMac and downloaded some of their games. I like Portal, but everything else is pretty overrated IMO.

love valve and have been playing tf2 for about 3 years but since the mann-conomy update, tf2 just has been going down hill. :/

A small company who beat Microsoft at their own playground.

A small company who beat Microsoft at their own playground.

Mr_BillGates

no they didnt

Valve are like liverpool football club. They were gods back in the day, but right now they are just meh.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Valve is amazing/10 Not only do they make freaking awesome games they also made Steam. Consoles wish they had steam. They also wish they had our version of TF2.Unnatural101

Steam/Steamworks is coming to consoles....specifically the PS3.

Valve's still an overrated One Trick Pony though.

I like Valve because they understand something that many video game companies cannot seem to grasp Art Style over Graphical Power. The Source Engine is a fantastic engine that unfortunately showing its age at this point but look at the games that use it; outside of the the sequels every game looks distinct from one another. Half-Life 2 looks different than Day of Defeat: Source which looks different from Team Fortress 2 etc and all of these games still look impressive today despite the aging engine because they all have distinct and good artstyles. I enjoy the games Valve has made and put out except for Team Fortress 2. I think they should show more love to Day of Defeat Source. I've played Half-Life 1 but couldn't get into it, it just felt way too old and outdated for me, otherwise I like them.

I think they're a bit overrated...

Valve's games (outside of Portal) doesnt have regenerating health, that alone gives them a + in my book. At the moment I do like Valve's games, and this is coming from someone that doesnt like shooters. Steam, Orange box and the fact that they treat their community and modders well makes me respect them quite a lot.

With that said, I am somewhat disappointed in them after the DOTA 2 controversy.