What does the next Super Smash Bros. title have to do to be good?

I found this to be an interesting read. Whereas some of the points listed were incredibly obvious (more characters? more stages? Duh), some of the other points raised were interesting, especially points #4 and #2.

I've always said that the next Super Smash Bros. needs to have the gameplay and mechanics of Melee and the game modes and scope of Brawl, and it will be legendary.

What do you guys think?

Yeah, I have to agree. 4 and 2 were good points.

The perfect Super Smash Bros game would have the scope and customization of Brawl, the mechanics of melee and the balance of StarCraft: Brood War.

Yeah, I have to agree. 4 and 2 were good points.

The perfect smash would have the scope and customization of Brawl, the mechanics of melee and the balance of StarCraft: Brood War.

Maroxad

A great online system that allows for online tournaments and such :)

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Yeah, I have to agree. 4 and 2 were good points.

The perfect smash would have the scope and customization of Brawl, the mechanics of melee and the balance of StarCraft: Brood War.

charizard1605

Melee was pretty well balanced. Everyone had their counters their weaknesses and such. But Fox was overpowered at high level play (although he could easily be beaten by Pichu, the worst character in the game). Even though Melee was relatively balanced, it wasnt the most balanced game out there.

Variety, i thik that the formula is great as it is, we just need more variety, stages, character, music, etc, and a much better stage editor.

On the other hand, i think that the online is not a must for this game, offline is the way to go, it would be a nice feature, but not something it must have.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Yeah, I have to agree. 4 and 2 were good points.

The perfect smash would have the scope and customization of Brawl, the mechanics of melee and the balance of StarCraft: Brood War.

Maroxad

Melee was pretty well balanced. Everyone had their counters their weaknesses and such. But Fox was overpowered at high level play (although he could easily be beaten by Pichu, the worst character in the game). Even though Melee was relatively balanced, it wasnt the most balanced game out there.

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Online multiplayer that actually lets me play people online. >.> That's all I want.Heil68

With the WiiU's new online system, it really could go either way. It dephends entirely on the devs.

For the online I want,

• Lobbies
• Ladders
• Along with Matchmaking
• Stat Tracking for RANKED play. No Stat Tracking for unranked play.
• No Level Ups, no perks.

They definitely need to give it some signficant changes, while keeping the core elemnts and gameplay the same. They NEED to change, add, remove characters. Ganondorf sucks the way he is lol. He is not even like Ganandorf. Hmmm...I have a sword? Screw that, I will kick them!

The online needs to be top tier and organized for tournaments and such. It could be amazing if done right.

I agree with some of the points fully, but there are a few I would change slightly. With number seven, the developers would have to include few, if any, clones characters. Melee was guilty of it, but at least there weren't two clones for the same character (Fox, Wolf, Falco). With number seven, I want more high-quality stages. I found many of the stages in Brawl to be pretty weak and annoying. Also, the developers could also go the next level with classic stages by including all of them from the previous games; I'm sure there would be enough room (especially since the Brawl disc had a ton of wasted space). Likewise, with the music, I want more high-quality music tracks. Brawl had a few gems, but it was inconsistent overall; Melee was more consistent, aurally.

Others I agree with (online, tripping). The only one that seems like wishful thinking is the point about the Gamecube controllers.

I found many of the stages in Brawl to be pretty weak and annoying.

VGobbsesser

I completely agree. They felt rehashed, small, and boring. Melee had better levels IMO.

Uhm there is no port for GC controller on the console itself so that's basically confirmed.

It also doesn't make any sense to include it.

You still have CC and Upad, Wiimote sideways and Wiimote+nunchuck.

Keep 3rd party characters to a minimum, Sonic and Megaman are the only ones necessary IMO

better campaign, melee's was better then brawl's IMO

A better level editor

Trash the entire game and make it a one on one fighter like SFIV with bigger characters with a more complicated set move list.Bread_or_Decide

That's like asking Capcom to gave up with Street Fighter and make a platform game with Ryu :?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Trash the entire game and make it a one on one fighter like SFIV with bigger characters with a more complicated set move list.madsnakehhh

That's like asking Capcom to gave up with Street Fighter and make a platform game with Ryu :?

I want a real fighter. No more of this four player chaotic nonsense that is Smash Bros. Bread_or_Decide

Then don't play Smash Brothers and play something else. Problem solved.

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Trash the entire game and make it a one on one fighter like SFIV with bigger characters with a more complicated set move list.Bread_or_Decide

That's like asking Capcom to gave up with Street Fighter and make a platform game with Ryu :?

There are other games that suit that desire then. It would be like asking to turn Skyrim into a isometric turn based roleplaying game.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] I want a real fighter. No more of this four player chaotic nonsense that is Smash Bros. VGobbsesser

Then don't play Smash Brothers and play something else. Problem solved.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

That's like asking Capcom to gave up with Street Fighter and make a platform game with Ryu :?

Maroxad

There are other games that suit that desire then. It would be like asking to turn Skyrim into a isometric turn based roleplaying game.

I thought the combat in Brawl was a little off compared to Melee and they need to focus more on each characters instead of adding more. Also they need to get the online right; just imagine online tournament battles.

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There are other games that suit that desire then. It would be like asking to turn Skyrim into a isometric turn based roleplaying game.

Bread_or_Decide

Because the only thing that makes Smash Bros, Smash Bros is the chaotic 4 player gameplay. It has no universe, no lore, no characters belonging to the IP. Besides, knowing Nintendo, I think they make games with this kind of gameplay better than Street Fighter gameplay. Let Capcom do those kinds of fighters and let Nintendo do their own thing, we all get something to suit our tastes.

Keep 3rd party characters to a minimum, Sonic and Megaman are the only ones necessary IMO

better campaign, melee's was better then brawl's IMO

A better level editor

AsadMahdi59

Nintendo has no problem completely retooling some of their other franchises. Why not Smash Bros? Bread_or_Decide

Becuase it doesn't make sense.

It's a party brawler, not a fighter. I can't stand the latter.

The point is that it's unpredictable and chaotic, a skilled player is supposed to die randomly from some crazy item or something. I'm having so much fun playing with beginners even. It's not about winning or loosing.

The online definitely has too be good, at least on the level of PSN and XBL. I would also like to see more balanced game like it was in Melee, Brawl was just all over the place imo. And they should make the 3DS version compatible with some features with the Wii U.

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Keep 3rd party characters to a minimum, Sonic and Megaman are the only ones necessary IMO

better campaign, melee's was better then brawl's IMO

A better level editor

bobderwood97_1

You're right, but if they improve it- it could a fantastic addition for the game- and I think we can safelyassume that the online will be far superior to Brawl's. I can't see Nintendo letting this game's online be anything except the best online game for WiiU

Have some ******* hitstun and balance. Make it better competitive wise. Also make the game less floaty. (Basically make it more like Melee >_>)

Also nerf or remove Metaknight.

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] I want a real fighter. No more of this four player chaotic nonsense that is Smash Bros. Bread_or_Decide

Then don't play Smash Brothers and play something else. Problem solved.

So? you want Street fighter with Nintendo characters? :lol: ok...

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Trash the entire game and make it a one on one fighter like SFIV with bigger characters with a more complicated set move list.Bread_or_Decide

That's like asking Capcom to gave up with Street Fighter and make a platform game with Ryu :?

Sadly Brawl didn't do that.

Edit- Actually screw that. Just get rid of the items. They never made the game fun anyways.

Greatly improve the online, get rid of tripping and make it more balanced. I disagree with removing final smashes as you have the choice of turning it off at Brawl. Just balance them as I felt some characters had very overpowering FS compared to others.

The GC controller compatability seems like that won't happen.

Really in order to be a good game, SSB game just has to have a couple new characters and stages and I'm sold. Oh and better online.

EDIT: Keep the Final Smashes!! Just get rid of them online.

The GC controller compatability seems like that won't happen.

Seabas989

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not so much as Final Smashes cause I thought they were the coolest thing in Brawl (maybe nerf them?), but OMG YES ON THE TRIPPING! THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING NINTENDO COULD DO IN THAT GAME!

Other wise everything is pretty good too. I'd like to see Mewtwo and Roy return really.

4. REMOVE TRIPPING AND FINAL SMASHES

not so much as Final Smashes cause I thought they were the coolest thing in Brawl (maybe nerf them?), but OMG YES ON THE TRIPPING! THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING NINTENDO COULD DO IN THAT GAME!

Other wise everything is pretty good too. I'd like to see Mewtwo and Roy return really.

LegatoSkyheart

Interestingly enough, tripping has never happened to me. At least I don't think it has. mrmusicman247

Play the game again and it'll happen. Biggest annoyance ever!