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#1 Shusty_lives
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Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

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#2 V-a-i-z-a-r-d
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this is lemmingspot.used to be cowspot but e3 06 ended that
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Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

and with all fanboyism aside, the 360 (and wii) are the only systems actually putting out games. ps3 gets a new game like once a month. how often can a game flop when the ps3 only gets like 15 games a year?

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#4 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

mtradr43

and with all fanboyism aside, the 360 (and wii) are the only systems actually putting out games. ps3 gets a new game like once a month. how often can a game flop when the ps3 only gets like 15 games a year?

I thought fanboysism was to the side? :?

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Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

because cows make comments like "halo killer" and "it looks better than GeOW"

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#6 HolyHandGrenad3
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

mtradr43

and with all fanboyism aside, the 360 (and wii) are the only systems actually putting out games. ps3 gets a new game like once a month. how often can a game flop when the ps3 only gets like 15 games a year?

This is true. Statistics can be misleading.

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#7 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

marklarmer

because cows make comments like "halo killer" and "it looks better than GeOW"

I have seen that. I've also seen "FF Killer".

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#8 HolyHandGrenad3
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

marklarmer

because cows make comments like "halo killer" and "it looks better than GeOW"

I do see this in pretty much any thread that showcases a major PS3 game. It will either "kill Halo" or "have much better graphics than Gears."

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#9 xDonRobx
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

marklarmer

because cows make comments like "halo killer" and "it looks better than GeOW"

And lemmings never make some ridiculous comments.

Hey look its a FF killer

*looks at Fable*

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Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

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#11 atarigrad
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Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

Correct me if I'm wrong but what AAA game does the PS3 have besides Oblivion? So whicn games have flopped? You guessed it PS3. Lair just got 6's from EGM.

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Don't question it, just ignore it.
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#13 Shusty_lives
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Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

Good points. No, I won't ask for evidence. I feel like you hit it on the head.

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#14 nintendofreak_2
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I agree with you on alot of points, but there's something that you might not have noticed about cows. They tend to over hype games (sheep and lems do to, but cows are the worst for it) and it always ends up biting them in the butt. Of course, there are those exceptions, but for the most part, they just over-hype games and they end up flopping.
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Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

Yeah...if you're looking for an easy explanation and not the actual truth.

Fact is, not many people do think like that, fanboys or no. Most just see the PS3 as an unacceptably poor sequel to the PS2, and bias follows from their disappointment,or their 360 gets RROD'd, and bias follows from their frustration.I could say that you contradict yourself, as you've developed this hatred towards the Wii but you claim to not be a fanboy.

You're just taking the easy route. "Well, all fanboys are dumb and blind, nothing we can do about it, kay? Kay."

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I agree with you on alot of points, but there's something that you might not have noticed about cows. They tend to over hype games (sheep and lems do to, but cows are the worst for it) and it always ends up biting them in the butt. Of course, there are those exceptions, but for the most part, they just over-hype games and they end up flopping.nintendofreak_2

Lair = AA

Warhawk = AA

overhype? No sheep do that (no offense) What gets you is when someone says Lair has better graphics than Gears. That's not hype. That's his opinion of the visuals of the game.

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This is SW's where if you you don't own every console you bash the ones you don't have. It's a sick twisted way of justifying ones purchases.
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#18 nintendofreak_2
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Lair = AA

Warhawk = AA

overhype? No sheep do that (no offense) What gets you is when someone says Lair has better graphics than Gears. That's not hype. That's his opinion of the visuals of the game.

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I know, I said all fanboys do that, but cows do tend to say things like, "Killzone 2 is the best looking game ever," when it isn't. They say a lot of things that generally ge themselves in trouble.
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there arw more 360 fans than ps3 fans here.

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#20 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Lair = AA

Warhawk = AA

overhype? No sheep do that (no offense) What gets you is when someone says Lair has better graphics than Gears. That's not hype. That's his opinion of the visuals of the game.

nintendofreak_2

I know, I said all fanboys do that, but cows do tend to say things like, "Killzone 2 is the best looking game ever," when it isn't. They say a lot of things that generally ge themselves in trouble.

My question is to you, if all fanboys does it, why does it particularly bothers you when cows do it?

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This is SW's where if you you don't own every console you bash the ones you don't have. It's a sick twisted way of justifying ones purchases.Heil68

Why would 360 owners need to justify their purchase? It's the best purchase ATM.

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Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

Beautiful post. Should be the description beside the term "fanboy" in the encyclopedia of gaming terminology, lol.

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When all else fails in an argument, Sheep bring up sales, Cows bring up reliability, and Lemmings bring up an 07 game list.
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Here's the grim reality of how fanboyism works:

"I bought this product, therefore it's the best". The people who own only one next generation system, or own all of them but one, are the most likely to fall into this method of thinking.

More people own the Xbox 360 and Wii than the PS3 (simple fact) and that translates, for some of them into, into justifying why the Xbox 360 is "hands down" better than the PS3. To understand how this is absurd, you need only look at the "xbox 360 fanboy" attacks on the PC. When someone says "the GeForce 8800gtx only has slightly better graphics than an Xbox 360 and you can't use it with an HDTV" - you have to say "this person's information is inaccurate, and they only seek information that supports their bias."

It's a simple reality - we've got a bunch of people who spent a lot of money on hardware, sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, my system is the best!" on all sides. It's more subtle than that - but it's absolutely true.

So why do Xbox 360 games with a high likelyhood of failure get optimists defending them, while PS3 games with a high likelyhood of success get massive pessimisim thrown at that? You need only look at the score of Xbox 360 and Wii owners who want to believe the PS3 offers nothing, and who wish doom on the PS3 games, because they cannot play them.

Now, obviously, you may ask me for some evidence to this claim. Simple - look at the number of people who *want games to flop.* Why on earth would you be opposed (as a gamer) to every game coming out being of high quality? Yet these people want Halo 3, Bioshock, Killzone 2, Metroid Prime 3, or whatnot to fail - because it's on a system they don't game on - and a successful title they cannot play is unacceptable.

This is why fanboyism is absolutely selfish, and a form of hatred on gaming, however, there's little we can do about it. Very few people take the time to realize how brand loyalty is a detriment to their ability to appreciate gaming as a whole.

subrosian

I agree.

For me, I would gladly own Wii, 360, PC and PS3.

Time is the only problem, so I usually just stick with one console. I've always appreciated great games whether I can play them or not. I've learned not to bash anything I haven't tried, these fanboys need to realize that aswell.

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#25 nintendofreak_2
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My question is to you, if all fanboys does it, why does it particularly bothers you when cows do it?

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It doesn't bother me, I hate it when sheep do it to, because then I have to defend or decide if I agree.. I hate it when lemmings do it, because then I have to decide whether I agree or disagree, same with cows. All fanboys do it, and I hate all of it.
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#26 xDonRobx
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]This is SW's where if you you don't own every console you bash the ones you don't have. It's a sick twisted way of justifying ones purchases.Tsug_Ze_Wind

Why would 360 owners need to justify their purchase? It's the best purchase ATM.

Thats not a fact, thats pure opinion.

I've been getting the most out of Virtual Console on the Wii while my 360 sits there begging for BioShock to be released. When i'm not playing games from the VC, im probably either playing FEAR/Madden on 360 although most of the other free time goes toward Socom/Marvel vs Capcom 2 on my PS2.

I can't justify my purchase even if I wanted to. "Its got BioShock coming out soon!", then thats just like when lemmings and sheep say cows always have to wait.

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#27 subrosian
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I agree with you on alot of points, but there's something that you might not have noticed about cows. They tend to over hype games (sheep and lems do to, but cows are the worst for it) and it always ends up biting them in the butt. Of course, there are those exceptions, but for the most part, they just over-hype games and they end up flopping.nintendofreak_2


All fanboys over-hype games on their system, because they view gaming through a system-specific lens, rather than from the perspective of simply being a longtime appreciator of gaming. Even people who favor systems have a bias - for example, Nintendo fans, who have traditionally not been big PC gamers, are hyping Zack & Wiki as a revolution- and yet these same Nintendo fans bashed games like Myst and Grim Fandango years ago. In fact, many of the people hyping Zack & Wiki have never beaten Grim Fandango, Day of the Tentacle, and Escape from Monkey Island. Their perspective on gaming is limited, so a particular title can appear more revolutionary to them than it really is.

The same holds true for Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo fanboys. It's very easy to hype something a "Final Fantasy killer" if you don't play Final Fantasy (the people who don't enjoy FF titles hyping titles as FF-killers are even more off) - and it's very easy to hype something a Halo-killer if you're unaware of the massive number of features and depth to the multiplayer of Halo 2. A few games with friends doesn't let you understand how things like being able to pull up past games online is a big deal if you're into that particular FPS.

To generalize of Sony fanboys as being "worse" than other fanboys is ridiculous - ignorance is ignorance - and there is definately more bashing of the PS3 game titles, and less forgiveness, than there is for titles on other systems, simply due to there being fewer active supporters of the PS3.

I can put out a simple fact such as "the Wii has less powerful graphics hardware than any other current generation console" and I will get *mauled* by fanboys - and yet comments such as "storage space doesn't matter, Blu-Ray makes games worse, flopstation3" get far less response. The PS3's biggest fault is the cost of the console - all other faults (such as a smaller games library) can be traced back to this root problem - including the attacks on it.

The "worst" group of fans is the one for whatever system has the highest sales, simply because there are more of them, and it allows mobbing of intelligent posters, essentially an outright denial of facts. This is why so many outright lies about PC gaming are held as truth on this forum (there are few hermits here), and why last generation there was such a Sony-fan dominance.

Brand-loyalty promotes a pessimism of systems with smaller audiences. This is not necissarily due to fanboys either - it's simply that there is a bias that develops for whatever system is dominatant, and it colors how the facts about the competition are presented.
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#28 kingpoopa84
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

atarigrad

Correct me if I'm wrong but what AAA game does the PS3 have besides Oblivion? So whicn games have flopped? You guessed it PS3. Lair just got 6's from EGM.

Sigma is AAA as well.

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#29 D0013ER
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Oy... here we go again. Poor PS3 is being picked on at the playground during lunch break. This is System Wars man. For every good news about any (yes, that's any) console out right now, there's going to be at least 3 fanboys spinning it in a negative way. The inverse invariably applies to bad news. No one is ganging up on your PS3.
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#30 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]I agree with you on alot of points, but there's something that you might not have noticed about cows. They tend to over hype games (sheep and lems do to, but cows are the worst for it) and it always ends up biting them in the butt. Of course, there are those exceptions, but for the most part, they just over-hype games and they end up flopping.subrosian


All fanboys over-hype games on their system, because they view gaming through a system-specific lens, rather than from the perspective of simply being a longtime appreciator of gaming. Even people who favor systems have a bias - for example, Nintendo fans, who have traditionally not been big PC gamers, are hyping Zack & Wiki as a revolution- and yet these same Nintendo fans bashed games like Myst and Grim Fandango years ago. In fact, many of the people hyping Zack & Wiki have never beaten Grim Fandango, Day of the Tentacle, and Escape from Monkey Island. Their perspective on gaming is limited, so a particular title can appear more revolutionary to them than it really is.

The same holds true for Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo fanboys. It's very easy to hype something a "Final Fantasy killer" if you don't play Final Fantasy (the people who don't enjoy FF titles hyping titles as FF-killers are even more off) - and it's very easy to hype something a Halo-killer if you're unaware of the massive number of features and depth to the multiplayer of Halo 2. A few games with friends doesn't let you understand how things like being able to pull up past games online is a big deal if you're into that particular FPS.

To generalize of Sony fanboys as being "worse" than other fanboys is ridiculous - ignorance is ignorance - and there is definately more bashing of the PS3 game titles, and less forgiveness, than there is for titles on other systems, simply due to there being fewer active supporters of the PS3.

I can put out a simple fact such as "the Wii has less powerful graphics hardware than any other current generation console" and I will get *mauled* by fanboys - and yet comments such as "storage space doesn't matter, Blu-Ray makes games worse, flopstation3" get far less response. The PS3's biggest fault is the cost of the console - all other faults (such as a smaller games library) can be traced back to this root problem - including the attacks on it.

The "worst" group of fans is the one for whatever system has the highest sales, simply because there are more of them, and it allows mobbing of intelligent posters, essentially an outright denial of facts. This is why so many outright lies about PC gaming are held as truth on this forum (there are few hermits here), and why last generation there was such a Sony-fan dominance.

Brand-loyalty promotes a pessimism of systems with smaller audiences. This is not necissarily due to fanboys either - it's simply that there is a bias that develops for whatever system is dominatant, and it colors how the facts about the competition are presented.

Are you saying fanboys has omnipotence?

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#31 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]This is SW's where if you you don't own every console you bash the ones you don't have. It's a sick twisted way of justifying ones purchases.xDonRobx

Why would 360 owners need to justify their purchase? It's the best purchase ATM.

Thats not a fact, thats pure opinion.

I've been getting the most out of Virtual Console on the Wii while my 360 sits there begging for BioShock to be released. When i'm not playing games from the VC, im probably either playing FEAR/Madden on 360 although most of the other free time goes toward Socom/Marvel vs Capcom 2 on my PS2.

I can't justify my purchase even if I wanted to. "Its got BioShock coming out soon!", then thats just like when lemmings and sheep say cows always have to wait.

I play my Wii far more than my 360, but until the Wii gets the Big Three and the PS3 gets games in general, the 360 is by best purchase by default.

Or at least enough so that lemmings wouldn't have to justify their purchase. ;)

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#32 D0013ER
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Are you saying fanboys has omnipotence?

Shusty_lives

Well, they're sure as hell not going anywhere anytime soon. In that sense, yes, they have a lot of power. It's not like any amount of logic or goodwill will wipe them out completely...

Here's the problem, if you're really committed to stomping out fanboyism and making System Wars a bit more level of a playing field, why don't you campaign against all fanboys? Instead of just the ones you don't like.

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#33 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Are you saying fanboys has omnipotence?

D0013ER

Well, they're sure as hell not going anywhere anytime soon. In that sense, yes, they have a lot of power. It's not like any amount of logic or goodwill will wipe them out completely...

Here's the problem, if you're really committed to stomping out fanboyism and making System Wars a bit more level of a playing field, why don't you campaign against all fanboys? Instead of just the ones you don't like.

I love fanboys. Why would I get rid of them? Just was noticing the illogical ways in System Wars. It's those GUFU members I hate. They say they treat every system fair, but their nothing more than hypocrites.

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#34 D0013ER
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[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

Are you saying fanboys has omnipotence?

Shusty_lives

Well, they're sure as hell not going anywhere anytime soon. In that sense, yes, they have a lot of power. It's not like any amount of logic or goodwill will wipe them out completely...

Here's the problem, if you're really committed to stomping out fanboyism and making System Wars a bit more level of a playing field, why don't you campaign against all fanboys? Instead of just the ones you don't like.

I love fanboys. Why would I get rid of them? Just was noticing the illogical ways in System Wars. It's those GUFU members I hate. They say they treat every system fair, but their nothing more than hypocrites.

Totally off-topic but what the hell does GUFU mean? Been meaning to find that out for awhile now...

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#35 xDonRobx
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[QUOTE="xDonRobx"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]This is SW's where if you you don't own every console you bash the ones you don't have. It's a sick twisted way of justifying ones purchases.Tsug_Ze_Wind

Why would 360 owners need to justify their purchase? It's the best purchase ATM.

Thats not a fact, thats pure opinion.

I've been getting the most out of Virtual Console on the Wii while my 360 sits there begging for BioShock to be released. When i'm not playing games from the VC, im probably either playing FEAR/Madden on 360 although most of the other free time goes toward Socom/Marvel vs Capcom 2 on my PS2.

I can't justify my purchase even if I wanted to. "Its got BioShock coming out soon!", then thats just like when lemmings and sheep say cows always have to wait.

I play my Wii far more than my 360, but until the Wii gets the Big Three and the PS3 gets games in general, the 360 is by best purchase by default.

Or at least enough so that lemmings wouldn't have to justify their purchase. ;)

How would it be best purchase by default? Thats what they want you to believe but that doesn't mean its true.

Right now im addicted to Punch Out, next week will be Super Metroid.

I can't justify spending $400 on a system that collects dust while I play my $250 system. Can you?

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#36 CaseyWegner
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Why is it when a PS3 game get displayed here, that skepticism comes into play of the game's gameplay and graphics? Yet, when a 360 game gets displayed it full of optimism and hope.

With all fanboyism to the side, More 360 games has flopped than any other console, yet people still look forward to them more so than the others. Also, Wasn't it Sony who produced thousands of games with the PS1 and PS2? Wasn't it M$ that had the lacklusting gaming library last gen? What happen? Why is Sony games under scrutiny and not Xbox360?

Shusty_lives

every game gets bashed here. what r u talking about? :|

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#37 furtherfan
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it's just your ps3 fanboy insecure mind. it works both ways.
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#38 nintendofreak_2
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Totally off-topic but what the hell does GUFU mean? Been meaning to find that out for awhile now...

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#39 D0013ER
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For further assurance that the PS3 is in fact not being singled out for slaughter, just take a look at the first page or two of posts. It's a pretty evenly-divided cross-section of hatred, skepticism, and general negativity toward, well, everything.
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#40 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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How would it be best purchase by default? Thats what they want you to believe but that doesn't mean its true.

Right now im addicted to Punch Out, next week will be Super Metroid.

I can't justify spending $400 on a system that collects dust while I play my $250 system. Can you?

xDonRobx

No, but you'd be the exception. (I would too to a lesser extent)

Comparing the two side-by-side with only the facts, the 360 is the better purchase. That would be enough for lemmings to not have to justify their purchase, as it's the best one they could make at the time.

I'm think I'm arguing against my own position. :lol:

I love fanboys. Why would I get rid of them? Just was noticing the illogical ways in System Wars. It's those GUFU members I hate. They say they treat every system fair, but their nothing more than hypocrites.

Shusty_lives

*applause*

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#41 Riverwolf007
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Maybe because the 360 has a proven track record of providing good titles where on the PS3 a good game is a rare occasion?

How about PS3 titles being pushed back after the reviewers have had a shot at playing them or hyped PS3 titles coming nowhere near the promise that they showed?

The majority of multiplats being better on 360? Just wait? PLAY B3HIND? Teh Cell not living up to expectations? Slow development of PSN? PS3 fans hyping Blu-Ray movie releases, web browsingand Home more than games?

Take your pick, I may own one but I will not blindly hype the PS3 when it has failed on so many levels.

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#42 Shusty_lives
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For further assurance that the PS3 is in fact not being singled out for slaughter, just take a look at the first page or two of posts. It's a pretty evenly-divided cross-section of hatred, skepticism, and general negativity toward, well, everything.D0013ER

Sure. I just don't feel the same way. I still think Sony games gets scrutinize more.Of course I'm not saying Xbox360 and Wii games dont.

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#43 Tactis
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please ps3 owners do it as well, yesterday there was a too human thread and cows kept calling trash its system wars everyone does it.
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#44 subrosian
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Are you saying fanboys has omnipotence?

Shusty_lives


Quite the opposite - fanboys generally speaking have the narrowest perspective on gaming, and gain the least exposure to game titles each generation. Their preferences cripple their ability to gain insight into issues, and lead them to a selective reading of the information presented in a debate.

For example, I recently saw a thread in which a poster retyped Nielsen survey numbers for the most played PC games of the last two months, in which they removed the footnotes that explained that titles such as GTA, Counter-Strike, and the Sims included all games in the franchise. They then argued that only extremely old games get played on PC - which appears to be true, until you realize that the latest expansion of The Sims 2, new Counter-Strike: Source mods, and GTA San Andreas are being counted, along with the latest WoW expansion.

Blind fanboyism is a handicap because seeking only the facts that supports your point-of-view leads to ignorance of a broader understanding of gaming.
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#45 subrosian
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I love fanboys. Why would I get rid of them? Just was noticing the illogical ways in System Wars. It's those GUFU members I hate. They say they treat every system fair, but their nothing more than hypocrites.

Shusty_lives


Excuse me, but you just called out an entire union in a thread asking why PS3 games get bashed. I presented a logical, well thought out post, that was praised by people in this thread, so I ask you what kind of hypocrisy for GUFU I represent? GUFU members represent all sides of the debate - we are not opposed to fans - simply blind fanboyism. Simply claiming GUFU is hypocriticial, with little evidence, is absurd - we don't represent one point of view, nor does every member of GUFU like every sytem equally - that's not a claim we make.

GUFU simply represents intelligent posters who love gaming. Blind fanboyism, generally speaking, represents the kind of posts fans of all systems claim to detest. You don't like it when Halo / Metroid / Mario / Final Fantasy / et cetera get blindly and ignorantly bashed, do you?


Totally off-topic but what the hell does GUFU mean? Been meaning to find that out for awhile now...

D0013ER


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#46 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Blind fanboyism is a handicap because seeking only the facts that supports your point-of-view leads to ignorance of a broader understanding of gaming.
subrosian

Of course you only want facts that support your argument. It's up to the opposing side to come with facts that go against your argument. Whether you listen to the opposing side's argument or not showsyour intelligence, notyour group's.

Also, I'd like to direct you to the first page...>_>

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#47 tomarlyn
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With the PS3 costing so much more it has more to live up to.
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#48 BlazeDragon132
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I love fanboys. Why would I get rid of them? Just was noticing the illogical ways in System Wars. It's those GUFU members I hate. They say they treat every system fair, but their nothing more than hypocrites.

Shusty_lives

Since when would be say we treat every system fair? It is just that we won't let any system keep us from playing and buying games. Besides, there is no such thing as truely unbaised, everyone has more of a system than others. That doesn't keep members from playing and liking games on another system.

Blind fanboys refuse to accept that games on another system can be great, which makes it our point to go against the grain.

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#49 Shusty_lives
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Excuse me, but you just called out an entire union in a thread asking why PS3 games get bashed. I presented a logical, well thought out post, that was praised by people in this thread, so I ask you what kind of hypocrisy for GUFU I represent? GUFU members represent all sides of the debate - we are not opposed to fans - simply blind fanboyism. Simply claiming GUFU is hypocriticial, with little evidence, is absurd - we don't represent one point of view, nor does every member of GUFU like every sytem equally - that's not a claim we make.

GUFU simply represents intelligent posters who love gaming. Blind fanboyism, generally speaking, represents the kind of posts fans of all systems claim to detest. You don't like it when Halo / Metroid / Mario / Final Fantasy / et cetera get blindly and ignorantly bashed, do you?


subrosian

You say Nintendo was ruining gaming with the Wii...Yes, your post was dead on about why is it that way. So dead on that you could have been looking in the mirror saying the same thing, and the guy in the mirror should've feel ashamed.

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#50 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Since when would be say we treat every system fair? It is just that we won't let any system keep us from playing and buying games. Besides, there is no such thing as truely unbaised, everyone has more of a system than others. That doesn't keep members from playing and liking games on another system.

BlazeDragon132

I've heard different things from most other GUFU members. If some of you truly do think you're unbiased, you're far more blind than any of us "down here."

GUFU is supposed to be "SW's best posters," but SW's best posters wouldn't (or shouldn't) be in an elitist club, and wouldn't look down upon where they're respected.

That is all.