What is Ocarina of TIme of this decade?

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]I also nominate World of Warcraft, for being the most successful online game ever and still being a world which constantly evolves and has attracted new players for over four years. Also, I can't wait till 3.1... Ulduar, here I come, baby.InternetKraken

That's another game that I can not understand as to why it is so succsesfull.

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]I also nominate World of Warcraft, for being the most successful online game ever and still being a world which constantly evolves and has attracted new players for over four years. Also, I can't wait till 3.1... Ulduar, here I come, baby.InternetKraken

That's another game that I can not understand as to why it is so succsesfull.

[QUOTE="InternetKraken"]

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

That's another game that I can not understand as to why it is so succsesfull.

Prydes

SMG or HALO 1

I've never played Shadow of the Colossus but is it really that good? I'll play it if it really is just as good or nearly as good as Ocarina Prydes

[QUOTE="Prydes"]I've never played Shadow of the Colossus but is it really that good? I'll play it if it really is just as good or nearly as good as Ocarina Cherokee_Jack

Whatever you do in WoW don't raid, it will consume your life. This is coming from a lvl 70 bear druid with full t6/sunwell.Aku101

I guess OoT of this decade means greatest game?....

Half Life 2.

Really stands head and shoulders above the pack, especially considering it was developed almost 5 years ago......

The massive community following it, producing huge amounts of material, and other cult followings under it (such as the web comic Concerned) are testament to its greatness.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Prydes"]I've never played Shadow of the Colossus but is it really that good? I'll play it if it really is just as good or nearly as good as Ocarina Prydes

there isn't one. nothing has made as much of an impact on the gaming world as OoTSword-Demon

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Prydes"]I've never played Shadow of the Colossus but is it really that good? I'll play it if it really is just as good or nearly as good as Ocarina Prydes

Metal Gear solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 8), best story, best gameplay, best graphics for its time and so on AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]there isn't one. nothing has made as much of an impact on the gaming world as OoTskrat_01

I'd say:

Mario Galaxy, Halo, and WOW.

Wow guys, seriously, Half Life 2? Out of all the games you could have picked between 1999 and 2009, you pick Half Life 2? The game that was essentially an updated version of the superior original, but this time with physics :?.

If you're talking about a comparable game to OoT in terms of influence, how about GTA III or Halo? (Regardless of whether you think the former is 12 year old trash or the latter destroyed FPSs)

If you're talking about redefining a genre, how about Super Mario Galaxy?

If you're talking about straight up timeless masterpieces, what about Deus Ex or, perhaps more importantly, Shadow of the Colossus?

Don't get me wrong, props to Half Life 2 and all, but you're talking about a game that did almost nothing but serve itself. Even then, it decided that it was too good to correct its own gunplay and A.I issues.

Metal Gear solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 8), best story, best gameplay, best graphics for its time and so on AgentA-Mi6

It's in the same boat as Half-Life 2. It's out to serve itself. It disregards genre expectations and does its own thing. That's not to say it's a bad thing, but it does call to question how it is comparable to OoT.

Wow guys, seriously, Half Life 2? Out of all the games you could have picked between 1999 and 2009, you pick Half Life 2? The game that was essentially an updated version of the superior original, but this time with physics :?.

If you're talking about a comparable game to OoT in terms of influence, how about GTA III or Halo? (Regardless of whether you think the former is 12 year old trash or the latter destroyed FPSs)

If you're talking about redefining a genre, how about Super Mario Galaxy?

If you're talking about straight up timeless masterpieces, what about Deus Ex or, perhaps more importantly, Shadow of the Colossus?

Don't get me wrong, props to Half Life 2 and all, but you're talking about a game that did almost nothing but serve itself. Even then, it decided that it was too good to correct its own gunplay and A.I issues.

FrozenLiquid

Half-Life 2 is not simply the original with upgraded graphics and a physics engine. That would be Half-Life Source.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Metal Gear solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 8), best story, best gameplay, best graphics for its time and so on Killer_Wuggles

Half-Life 2 is not simply the original with upgraded graphics and a physics engine. That would be Half-Life Source.

InternetKraken

A rather convincing argument. Let me try measure up.

Apart from the physics puzzles and the gravity gun, there is nothing Half Life 2 did that the original didn't do. Heavily scripted sequences? Check. The same old archaic gunplay from the old Doom days, in which you pick-up-every-single-weapon-and-it-doesn't-really-matter-which-one-you-use-because-all-weapons-are-equally-viable? Check. Light on story, heavy on spectacle? Check. Fantastic A.I? Oh, wait a minute...

You may be right here. Half Life 2 is simply not the original.

It took Valve all the way up to Episode Two to realize something was getting stale.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Wow guys, seriously, Half Life 2? Out of all the games you could have picked between 1999 and 2009, you pick Half Life 2? The game that was essentially an updated version of the superior original, but this time with physics :?.

If you're talking about a comparable game to OoT in terms of influence, how about GTA III or Halo? (Regardless of whether you think the former is 12 year old trash or the latter destroyed FPSs)

If you're talking about redefining a genre, how about Super Mario Galaxy?

If you're talking about straight up timeless masterpieces, what about Deus Ex or, perhaps more importantly, Shadow of the Colossus?

Don't get me wrong, props to Half Life 2 and all, but you're talking about a game that did almost nothing but serve itself. Even then, it decided that it was too good to correct its own gunplay and A.I issues.

InternetKraken

Half-Life 2 is not simply the original with upgraded graphics and a physics engine. That would be Half-Life Source.

The core design may be similar in respects, however Half Life 2 is strides forwards of its groundbreaking predecessor, in delivering a compelling and thoughtfully designed experience. Hell with such an argument you can bump games like SMG and SM64 into the same 'similar' category....

On that note Half Life 1 was not without its (horrid) flaws.

Otherwise I agree with Deus Ex... over Half Life 2. Honestly I am dissapointed with myself of not thinking of it before Half Life 2 in terms of the decade.

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Oh as far as influential games go in the decade, World of Warcraft is the clear winner.

[QUOTE="InternetKraken"]

Half-Life 2 is not simply the original with upgraded graphics and a physics engine. That would be Half-Life Source.

FrozenLiquid

A rather convincing argument. Let me try measure up.

Apart from the physics puzzles and the gravity gun, there is nothing Half Life 2 did that the original didn't do. Heavily scripted sequences? Check. The same old archaic gunplay from the old Doom days, in which you pick-up-every-single-weapon-and-it-doesn't-really-matter-which-one-you-use-because-all-weapons-are-equally-viable? Check. Light on story, heavy on spectacle? Check. Fantastic A.I? Oh, wait a minute...

You may be right here. Half Life 2 is simply not the original.

It took Valve all the way up to Episode Two to realize something was getting stale.

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Metal Gear solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 8), best story, best gameplay, best graphics for its time and so on AgentA-Mi6

With an epilogue sequence that's so overly drawn out and shalmessly uncalled for? The storytelling isn't flawless. If you take a trip to my blog linked in my sig, I don't diss Metal Gear Solid's story telling, but I can explain to you why it's not the way to go in video games.

Another thing, Metal Gear Solid's stealth gameplay is only one of many types of stealth gameplay. There's also the Thief styIe and of course, the Splinter Cell styIe. Both are viable alternatives.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="InternetKraken"]

Half-Life 2 is not simply the original with upgraded graphics and a physics engine. That would be Half-Life Source.

dgsag

A rather convincing argument. Let me try measure up.

Apart from the physics puzzles and the gravity gun, there is nothing Half Life 2 did that the original didn't do. Heavily scripted sequences? Check. The same old archaic gunplay from the old Doom days, in which you pick-up-every-single-weapon-and-it-doesn't-really-matter-which-one-you-use-because-all-weapons-are-equally-viable? Check. Light on story, heavy on spectacle? Check. Fantastic A.I? Oh, wait a minute...

You may be right here. Half Life 2 is simply not the original.

It took Valve all the way up to Episode Two to realize something was getting stale.

If you can explain to me where this fits into the conversation about Half-Life 2's nomination as the new OoT, I will leave System Wars.

If this was only an automatic response to the fact that I enjoy Halo and thus you want to get a kick out of dissing it while I'm around, then you probably won't reply to this comment.

And by the OoT of this decade I'm sure you mean most overhyped game?

Seriesly other games had more impact on gaming than OoT last decade. Doom and Mario 64 just to name some.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"] Too bad it didn't revolutionize anything like OoT did. It was just a really good game that continued the same old, same old... Not an OoT. FrozenLiquid

With an epilogue sequence that's so overly drawn out and shalmessly uncalled for? The storytelling isn't flawless. If you take a trip to my blog linked in my sig, I don't diss Metal Gear Solid's story telling, but I can explain to you why it's not the way to go in video games.

Another thing, Metal Gear Solid's stealth gameplay is only one of many types of stealth gameplay. There's also the Thief styIe and of course, the Splinter Cell styIe. Both are viable alternatives.

As for MGS4's storytelling..... I believe it detaches the player from being involved far more often than it should. Even if the cutscenes are very cinematic... they are just not nearly as involving at times as other scripted games out there... Its a pity as player involvement could have been interestingly implemented in these scenes. At least towards the end of the game the developers really seemed to push player involvement in cinematic scenes, and made them feel highly compelling and rewarding.

edit* Oh you have Assassin's Creed stealth gameplay...

is ocarina of time really that great of a game? i never played it only zelda game i played were legend of zelda (nes), zelda: major's mask, and twilight princess. zelda is a great game to play. iam2green

Honestly I agree with this.

The core design may be similar in respects, however Half Life 2 is strides forwards of its groundbreaking predecessor, in delivering a compelling and thoughtfully designed experience. Hell with such an argument you can bump games like SMG and SM64 into the same 'similar' category....

On that note Half Life 1 was not without its (horrid) flaws.

Otherwise I agree with Deus Ex... over Half Life 2. Honestly I am dissapointed with myself of not thinking of it before Half Life 2 in terms of the decade.

skrat_01

skrat, I don't think sounding like the Valve PR team is going to convince me otherwise. You can play Half Life and Half Life 2 one after the other and both will honestly feel like the exact same experience. It almost seems like it's a remake of sorts. What Valve seemed to want to do was perfect the gameplay of the original with as little interference from new features as much as possible. Since physics became one of the big sellers during the early noughties, they probably decided to go with that, because it kept Half Life up to date without fundamentally restructuring the core design.

You can't really say the same thing about the Mario series. They're all platformers, but that's about it. Miyamoto actually goes out of his way to find how he can redefine each Mario experience. You will see these major gameplay differences between Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros 2, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Bros 3, Mario 64, Sunshine, and of course Super Mario Galaxy. Well, maybe not Sunshine, but it's undeniable the developers went out of their way to try and recreate the platforming experience each time. But if you want to argue that the difference between the Half Life games is as big as this series then I honestly don't know what to say. Good luck?

Honestly MGS as 'the best' stealth game is hazy now..... As much as I am a fan of the series, MGS4 marks a real mis mash of design.... Things like the much stronger shooting elements and weapons incorporated work against the stealth mechanics completely, especially in alert phase, where you have the option essentially gun down constantly respawning enemies with ease.... removing much of the threat from the previous games, and making the 'alert' respawning mechanic seem horribly outdated.

As for MGS4's storytelling..... I believe it detaches the player from being involved far more often than it should. Even if the cutscenes are very cinematic... they are just not nearly as involving at times as other scripted games out there... Its a pity as player involvement could have been interestingly implemented in these scenes. At least towards the end of the game the developers really seemed to push player involvement in cinematic scenes, and made them feel highly compelling and rewarding.

edit* Oh you have Assassin's Creed stealth gameplay...

skrat_01

There is that, but you have to take into account that Metal Gear Solid is a series that just doesn't budge. It does what it wants, and the fans suck it up anyway.

Another type of stealth that might come into prominence is Splinter Cell Conviction. Why oh why did they go back to the drawing board? That type of stealth sounded amazing. And no, it's not the same as Assassin's Creed, if anyone was going to argue that ;)

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Honestly I agree with this.

The core design may be similar in respects, however Half Life 2 is strides forwards of its groundbreaking predecessor, in delivering a compelling and thoughtfully designed experience. Hell with such an argument you can bump games like SMG and SM64 into the same 'similar' category....

On that note Half Life 1 was not without its (horrid) flaws.

Otherwise I agree with Deus Ex... over Half Life 2. Honestly I am dissapointed with myself of not thinking of it before Half Life 2 in terms of the decade.

FrozenLiquid

skrat, I don't think sounding like the Valve PR team is going to convince me otherwise. You can play Half Life and Half Life 2 one after the other and both will honestly feel like the exact same experience. It almost seems like it's a remake of sorts. What Valve seemed to want to do was perfect the gameplay of the original with as little interference from new features as much as possible. Since physics became one of the big sellers during the early noughties, they probably decided to go with that, because it kept Half Life up to date without fundamentally restructuring the core design.

You can't really say the same thing about the Mario series. They're all platformers, but that's about it. Miyamoto actually goes out of his way to find how he can redefine each Mario experience. You will see these major gameplay differences between Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros 2, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Bros 3, Mario 64, Sunshine, and of course Super Mario Galaxy. Well, maybe not Sunshine, but it's undeniable the developers went out of their way to try and recreate the platforming experience each time. But if you want to argue that the difference between the Half Life games is as big as this series then I honestly don't know what to say. Good luck?

Im sorry but that is possibly one of the.... silliest - no most ill thought out things I have seen you write.......

As I said, the core design may be fundamentally similar for both these franchises, however in both these titles sequels, the experience is redefined. To simply shoehorn half Life 2 into a 'remake' status, is absurd.

Half Life 2 is certainly not a Mario 64 in terms of redefining a genres experience, however none the less, it does redefine the experience the FPS genre can deliver substantially, and honestly arguing for this would be regurgitating the massive amount of information already available for easy reading.

If you cannot even see the differences, then what good am I going to have arguing against your clearly set view..... :?

There is that, but you have to take into account that Metal Gear Solid is a series that just doesn't budge. It does what it wants, and the fans suck it up anyway. FrozenLiquid

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[QUOTE="InternetKraken"]I would say HL2, considering how it recieved very little criticism and was universaly praised. The only difference between its reception and OOTs is that i think HL2 actually deserved it. I really don't see what people find so amazing about OOT (but that's just my opinnion).Cherokee_Jack

its because oot was a legacy game and some of the praise it recieved was the product fo imposing fondness for past games int eh franchise onto it, just like has happened to metal gear. the perception of how good it was is inflated then, and now is even worse though the lens of nostalgia.

it is one of the best games of all time. this is not debatable. but it isnt THE best game. several games from the last five years have been better.

- okami: its like zelda, only fresh, original, and actually interesting.

- mass effect: mindblowing game

- half life 2 episode 2: one of the tightest, most memorable gaming experiences of all time

- grand theft auto 4: not my cup of tea, but its definitely an incredible game.

- geometry wars 2: the most laser-beam focused game i have ever played. i have never experienced a game that achieves exactly what it is trying to so well.

- team fortress 2: unbelievably good, focused, enjoyable game on the pc (not so much on consoles)

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"] Too bad it didn't revolutionize anything like OoT did. It was just a really good game that continued the same old, same old... Not an OoT. FrozenLiquid

With an epilogue sequence that's so overly drawn out and shalmessly uncalled for? The storytelling isn't flawless. If you take a trip to my blog linked in my sig, I don't diss Metal Gear Solid's story telling, but I can explain to you why it's not the way to go in video games.

Another thing, Metal Gear Solid's stealth gameplay is only one of many types of stealth gameplay. There's also the Thief styIe and of course, the Splinter Cell styIe. Both are viable alternatives.

Maybe it was carried over a little longer than most of us expected, but you're negating the impact of the whole cinematic experience between gameplay over only that minimal detail?

You can tell me 100 times Koijima's cinematic storytelling styl3 is not the way to go in video games and It wont change my mind one bit about how masterful of an experience it was, the only major flaw I actually found in MGS4 is that it ends.

Yes it is one of many stealth kinds of gameplay, none of them as critically acclaimed as MGS4 is. None of them pleased me like Metal Gear Did, The first day I felt like a Ps3 owner was the day I watched the opening cutscene of MGS4, I was like being a child all over again the thrill reminded me of the first time I played zelda oot or MGS1 10 years ago, the music from earlier titles made me feel nostalgic.

I believe Nothing comes close to mgs, Absolutely nothing.