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#1 alex77k
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I dont understand. I played both NG:S and the God of War series, and there really is no competition here. Even though NG:S was released for PS3, that game is so last gen. It's an arcade game with better graphics. Indeed the action and controlling Ryu feels pretty tight, but NG:S is a half game compared to GoW.

NG:S story is comparable to those old school games like kungfu master. The character in NG:S does not develop a personality throughout the game. It's like Team Ninja created an arcade game first then added the storyline and a character as a second thought.

NG fans say GoW is a button masher. I ask you this: What do you mash to beat NG:S?

However, I do have a guess why some people think NG a much better game than GoW. It's hard to let it go. After spending hundreds of hours practicing the uber button mashing sequences, they've convinced themselves that being good at NG equals to have good reflexes and skills and it proves something in real life.

Please stop saying NG is a better game than GoW series.

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#2 jangojay
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I like them both! and they are equal in my eyes.. NG is coming out first so I'm hyped for it. NG's gameplay is above GOW's though, not saying GOW's gameplay is bad but it could use some work.
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#3 6matt6
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NG is better than GoW.

although your argument in the OP is well thought out with excellent valid points.

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#4 rickjamesxx
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Ninja gaiden is better then cod of war

better combat

beter gameplay

challenging game

god of war is for weak noobs

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#6 TekkenMaster606
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Ninja Gaiden is way better than Casual Button Masher of War. :|
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#7 rickjamesxx
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kratos design isnt even original
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#8 Floppy_Jim
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NG is pretty good, but halfway through the game I just lost interest. I much prefer GOW, it's not as deep, but it's simply more fun.
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#9 heretrix
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Where's a good facepalm pic when you need it?
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#10 jangojay
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kratos design isnt even original rickjamesxx

And ryu's is? :lol:

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#11 rickjamesxx
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Where's a good facepalm pic when you need it?heretrix
hey dude im glad your here

wouldnt you agree that kratos character design is a total rip off of drax

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#12 TekkenMaster606
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I think this is what you're looking for.

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#13 Animal-Mother
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ninja gaiden is great but WAY too hard, i cant even finish the first one
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#14 rickjamesxx
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[QUOTE="rickjamesxx"]kratos design isnt even original jangojay

And ryu's is? :lol:

ryu didnt completly rip another character design off like sony did with kratos
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#15 thrones
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Harder and requiring more skill does not equal better, some people got to remember that :|
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#16 rickjamesxx
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Where's a good facepalm pic when you need it?heretrix
even heretrix will agree with me
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#17 jangojay
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="rickjamesxx"]kratos design isnt even original rickjamesxx

And ryu's is? :lol:

ryu didnt completly rip another character design off like sony did with kratos

It ripped straight from teh stereotype what people think ninja's look like.

Google the word ninja and set the search to images.. everyone on the front page looks like ryu! lol

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#18 thrones
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="rickjamesxx"]kratos design isnt even original rickjamesxx

And ryu's is? :lol:

ryu didnt completly rip another character design off like sony did with kratos

But..he did. He's just an average Ninja without any special looks. And they changed the skin colour to white, and gave him a personality on par with Marcus Fenix.

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#19 TekkenMaster606
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Ryu has been around for 20 years. I really don't know who they were ripping off in 1988, do you?

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#20 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]Where's a good facepalm pic when you need it?rickjamesxx

hey dude im glad your here

wouldnt you agree that kratos character design is a total rip off of drax

I would'nt say a total rip off but then again these guys get their ideas from a lot of places, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't borrow from comics.
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#21 shadow8585
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How can you compare the two? Ninja gaiden is far better imo and NG2 will be better than GOW3
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#22 rickjamesxx
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Ryu has been around for 20 years. I really don't know who they were ripping off in 1988, do you?

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exactly ryu has been around for two decades
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#23 rickjamesxx
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How can you compare the two? Ninja gaiden is far better imo and NG2 will be better than GOW3shadow8585
exactly

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#24 alex77k
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="rickjamesxx"]kratos design isnt even original rickjamesxx

And ryu's is? :lol:

ryu didnt completly rip another character design off like sony did with kratos

See, Ryu could have started like a noob ninja, immature, with skills but uncertain of himself... and grows up as the story/game evolves. But no, he starts with cheesy lines and it's the same character till the very end.

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#25 hayato_
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I prefer God of War, but both are fun PERIOD:P
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#26 thrones
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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]How can you compare the two? Ninja gaiden is far better imo and NG2 will be better than GOW3rickjamesxx

exactly

But, all you're doing is stating opinion as fact without backing up your statement.

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#27 liberty71441
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I played god of war, and honestly don't see why everyone considers it the definitive action game just for the story. it's inferior gameplay , awful music, uniteresting characters, terrible VA, and only decent graphics completely fail in comparison to Ninja gaiden. I find Ninja gaiden gameplay much more entertaining anf fun than GOWS, but that's me.

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#29 Lionheart08
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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]How can you compare the two? Ninja gaiden is far better imo and NG2 will be better than GOW3rickjamesxx

exactly

Really, your crystal ball told you so?

Sorry, I could resist :P

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#30 rickjamesxx
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The original

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#31 Jud0ka
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NG fans say GoW is a button masher. I ask you this: What do you mash to beat NG:S?

alex77k

This wonderful statement made me understand that you just don't like NG and just want to bash it. GoW is a good game and it has a very good story. The story is better as you say. Ninja stories do not need the hues of grey and such for character development. Ryu is a freakin Super Ninja. Ninjas Desire revenge all the time.

GAME play wise NG will wipe the floor with it unless GoW 3 is revamped. It's as deep as a fighting game and requires some fighting strategy to play. The people that played hundreds of hours on those uber button mashing sequences are not bright enough to learn the fighting system. I hope thats not you.

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#33 mccoyca112
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All of the main hack n slash games are a mystery which I just don't understand. DMC, NG, and GOW have zero appeal to me.
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#34 rickjamesxx
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The Rip Off

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#35 Zeliard9
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NG fans say GoW is a button masher. I ask you this: What do you mash to beat NG?alex77k

Nothing, that's why it's so much better.

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#36 dgo71102244
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is this some kind of joke thread?

NG>>>>>>>>>>>>>HELLO KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE>GOD OF BUTTON SMASH
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#37 jangojay
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TEh originality!!!

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#38 heretrix
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The Rip Off

rickjamesxx

You make a pretty good point there. I gotta admit.

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#39 hungryheart077
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Ninja gaiden is way better PERIOD
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#40 thrones
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is this some kind of joke thread?

NG>>>>>>>>>>>>>HELLO KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE>GOD OF BUTTON SMASHdgo71102244

Why? You still haven'y explained why, and you can't complete the entire game of God War with just hitting the [] button, not even counting QTE here. It's platforming and puzzle segments and pretty fun, as was the pegasus mini-game. Combat is pretty satisfying and fun. The scale is also just epic on a new side of awesome. The game just reeks more 'fun' than NG. Like Halo 3 vs. Ghost Recon.

One's tactical, the other's a happy run and gun shooter. I know which one I'd choose.

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#41 Flamestos
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I like all three current action series and all have something to offer. As far as God Of War vs. Ninja Gaiden, until Ninja Gaiden come deliver an epic story to go with the awesome fighting mechanics and difficulty it won't beat God Of War for me.
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#42 alex77k
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[QUOTE="alex77k"]

NG fans say GoW is a button masher. I ask you this: What do you mash to beat NG:S?

Jud0ka

This wonderful statement made me understand that you just don't like NG and just want to bash it. GoW is a good game and it has a very good story. The story is better as you say. Ninja stories do not need the hues of grey and such for character development. Ryu is a freakin Super Ninja. Ninjas Desire revenge all the time.

GAME play wise NG will wipe the floor with it unless GoW 3 is revamped. It's as deep as a fighting game and requires some fighting strategy to play. The people that played hundreds of hours on those uber button mashing sequences are not bright enough to learn the fighting system. I hope thats not you.

What is there to understand? Is it a deep philosophical issue that requires enlightment? lol or is it just the action associated with a pre programmed action triggered by a combination of button(s) depending on the type/state of the target and your weapon/state which includes your previous inputs within a specific timeframe that allows a certain action to be triggered? I am sure it is the later, and the later is learned by repeately playing and/or getting some infor from the web.

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#43 dgo71102244
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[QUOTE="dgo71102244"]is this some kind of joke thread?

NG>>>>>>>>>>>>>HELLO KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE>GOD OF BUTTON SMASHthrones

Why? You still haven'y explained why, and you can't complete the entire game of God War with just hitting the [] button, not even counting QTE here. It's platforming and puzzle segments and pretty fun, as was the pegasus mini-game. Combat is pretty satisfying and fun. The scale is also just epic on a new side of awesome. The game just reeks more 'fun' than NG. Like Halo 3 vs. Ghost Recon.

One's tactical, the other's a happy run and gun shooter. I know which one I'd choose.



A button masher is defined as a game where randomly pressing buttons will allow you to succeed. In this case, God of War's combat system looks something like this...

square, square, square, square, (initiate QTE sequence) square, square, TRIANGLE, square, sqaure, Tri... square...

NG won't allow that. You can kill a few enemies with Y, Y, Y... or X, X, X... but you won't last long if you're surrounded by foes. Countering has a small frame of opening to intiiate, to pull off some moves, they require analog movement, timing of buttons, and correct button press combos. Certain moves work better on certain enemies, you need to think how to battle... it's akin to fighting games

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I dont understand. I played both NG:S and the God of War series, and there really is no competition here. Even though NG:S was released for PS3, that game is so last gen. It's an arcade game with better graphics. Indeed the action and controlling Ryu feels pretty tight, but NG:S is a half game compared to GoW.

NG:S story is comparable to those old school games like kungfu master. The character in NG:S does not develop a personality throughout the game. It's like Team Ninja created an arcade game first then added the storyline and a character as a second thought.

NG fans say GoW is a button masher. I ask you this: What do you mash to beat NG:S?

However, I do have a guess why some people think NG a much better game than GoW. It's hard to let it go. After spending hundreds of hours practicing the uber button mashing sequences, they've convinced themselves that being good at NG equals to have good reflexes and skills and it proves something in real life.

Please stop saying NG is a better game than GoW series.

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lol i like god of war in the psp.....but its a huge ass button masher....sry......NG gameplay > god of war.....story wise...i do agree with u.....god of war has a great story
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#45 thrones
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han[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="dgo71102244"]is this some kind of joke thread?

NG>>>>>>>>>>>>>HELLO KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE>GOD OF BUTTON SMASHdgo71102244

Why? You still haven'y explained why, and you can't complete the entire game of God War with just hitting the [] button, not even counting QTE here. It's platforming and puzzle segments and pretty fun, as was the pegasus mini-game. Combat is pretty satisfying and fun. The scale is also just epic on a new side of awesome. The game just reeks more 'fun' than NG. Like Halo 3 vs. Ghost Recon.

One's tactical, the other's a happy run and gun shooter. I know which one I'd choose.



A button masher is defined as a game where randomly pressing buttons will allow you to succeed. In this case, God of War's combat system looks something like this...

square, square, square, square, (initiate QTE sequence) square, square, TRIANGLE, square, sqaure, Tri... square...

NG won't allow that. You can kill a few enemies with Y, Y, Y... or X, X, X... but you won't last long if you're surrounded by foes. Countering has a small frame of opening to intiiate, to pull off some moves, they require analog movement, timing of buttons, and correct button press combos. Certain moves work better on certain enemies, you need to think how to battle... it's akin to fighting games

What if you don't want a fighting game in your hack and slash, what if you just want to enjoy the button mashing in a deeply calming way that only violence can do? I found Ninja Gaiden too complicated for it's own good. As a side note, I also dislike fighters. And God of War has a good enough combat system, and you do have to block and dodge if you play on a higher difficulty. Don't forget that your character placement is important, and puzzles and platforming. And pegasus sequences :D

And bosses, the bosses are epic.

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#46 dooly420
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TEh originality!!!

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you can't really do all to much with a ninja. look what happens when someone tries to make an original ninja
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#47 jangojay
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

TEh originality!!!

dooly420

you can't really do all to much with a ninja. look what happens when someone tries to make an original ninja

Yea I know I just find it ironic he calls out GOW for lack of originality yet ryu looks like your regular stereotypical ninja.

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#48 thrones
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

TEh originality!!!

dooly420

you can't really do all to much with a ninja. look what happens when someone tries to make an original ninja

Good god, my eyes! GET IT AWAY!

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#49 householdman
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Ryu has been around for 20 years. I really don't know who they were ripping off in 1988, do you?

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Ewwww arcade and Lynx games :P I prefer the Master System and Game Gear versions. The core NG franchise was good, but it had nothing on Ninja Gaiden SMS.

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#50 ChrnoTrigger
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God of war's story is actually very interesting and is insanely accurate to the greek mythologies/legends. I also prefer Kratos to Ryu. But Ninja gaiden was also a very fun game.