[QUOTE="JohnF111"]You know what they say, "You get what you pay for!". In this half a game if you pay half the retail cost so yep, i don't see a problem, buy a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game. lmao. what? that was the worst argument i've ever read. so they just randomly should be able to decide to charge for the online component of a game? just because? "but a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game." WHAT?? If you paid $60 for a game and i pay $20, do you think it's fair that i get everything that you got? I don't so you should get what you pay for.[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] If I suffer, you shall all suffer the same!CasualMike
What is your opinion on this generation's "Online Pass" for MP
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Your arguments assumes the cost of developing a game has not changed, that the economy is as strong as "The good old days" and that the effort needed to create the game is just a handful of people like "The good old days".[QUOTE="JohnF111"]
[QUOTE="XileLord"] Strong argument, would hold relevance if we were talking about let's say.....P2P MMORPG's. The physical copy of the product is yours upon buying it, access to the servers used to actually be included in let's say......the 60$ price tag you shelled out and back in the good old days when you went out to borrow a friends game or rent a game you'd actually be able to use ALL of the online features. (amazing right?)
Developers got by for YEARS making huge profits off games like that. It's only when some corporate butthead behind a comfy desk decided they wanted to make a bit more money on the side when the online passes actually came into reality. As expected though, people continue to lick corporate ass and they will continue to do so. They've already started to charge for content that is already on the disc, do you honestly think they are just going to stop at online passes?
Brings tears to my poor eyes, it's sad that it's become so commonly accepted in the gaming community. Back 10 years ago the gaming community would have actually fought back.XileLord
Your argument also forgets that putting all the content on disc is cheaper than having to create two or three different manufacturing processes for the discs to accomidate the inevitable exclusive content. It's similar to AMDs chips, rather than creating a process for tri-cores they simply take the quad-cores with a damaged core and lock it, simple, cheap and very effective.
The license is the only thing bought, the disc is the only thing owned by you as a means of getting the code(in which you have the right to use) to you. Used games only take advantage of the trading of the license, by law the only thing Gamestop are required to give you is the license on a piece of paper but that's just not practical is it?
Also the only way they never stopped you from playing ALL your friends copy of games is because it was impossible to police such a tihng, now that the internet and technology has given publishers a means to do so they will and evidently are doing so. It was never about "How can we screw them more" it was "Is it technologically possible to do this yet?" and when the answer suddenly becomes "Yes" then they do it.
I just don't appreciate being screwed around by developers and I really don't understand how anybody else can NOT be fed up with online passes, DLC that's already on the disc that you have to pay for in order to access along with ridiculous prices. I understand the argument completely, it doesn't mean you're not getting screwed over.What happened to just buying a game, having fun and showing your friends? Or going out and buying a pre-owned game, even just renting one. I go pay 8$ to rent a game and I can't access the servers without paying money ontop of my XBL fee that I'm already paying just for 5 days? What the hell is that BS, why does anybody even put up with it? Paying to even access a games online features that you already paid 60$ for is just as absurd. I understand they want to make profits man, I get that fully but screwing the gamer isn't the way to do it and here people are defending it and there they'll be pushing it even further step by step because people, like I said before will continue licking ass and defending.
Eventually they'll be charging on the hour to play the game after you already buy it and people will be posting "But the economy and it's worth it because ____" I think that paying for XBL AND an online pass is the worst thing about it, you specifically pay for XBL because MS want to recuperate server costs, yet they allow the online pass to be done. Making people pay them more money is not the way to make more profits? Thats the definition of "Making more profit" i don't like DLC and rarely ever buy it, only bought one thing for WaW and the car pack for GT5 and that is all.
I hate DLC especially like Casualmike says ones that could easily have been time spent improving a game but alas that's not how making more profit is done. It would require a worldwide revolt to have them change their ways and no one can be bothered with that plus too many people are willing to buy whatever they release, my cousin who is 14 gets everything for CoD games no matter how many are released it's people like him who make Activision see how easy it is to pull off.
[QUOTE="CasualMike"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] You know what they say, "You get what you pay for!". In this half a game if you pay half the retail cost so yep, i don't see a problem, buy a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game.lmao. what? that was the worst argument i've ever read. so they just randomly should be able to decide to charge for the online component of a game? just because? "but a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game." WHAT?? If you paid $60 for a game and i pay $20, do you think it's fair that i get everything that you got? I don't so you should get what you pay for.JohnF111
I just bought Murumasa: The Demon Blade for $12(new). I got the same game that some friends bought for $50. Like I said earlier, the problem is poor business practices by vendors like gamestop. They are undermining the developer--this is the reason there are online passes. Games are incredibly expensive to make these days; just look at when the credits roll.
[QUOTE="CasualMike"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] You know what they say, "You get what you pay for!". In this half a game if you pay half the retail cost so yep, i don't see a problem, buy a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game.lmao. what? that was the worst argument i've ever read. so they just randomly should be able to decide to charge for the online component of a game? just because? "but a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game." WHAT?? If you paid $60 for a game and i pay $20, do you think it's fair that i get everything that you got? I don't so you should get what you pay for. Umm yes, if you took the time to look for a better deal you should be congratulated no punished.JohnF111
Thats like saying: "I bought my game for 40$ so all those steam users who got it for 15$ should only get 15$ worth of content" :|
So I'm guessing if they are making more money at your expense you're all for it? Didn't realize people loved being screwed so much...but like I said, that corporate ass must taste nice to the people so heavily supporting it.I'm not saying I like it, it's just what a company would want to do.XileLord
If you paid $60 for a game and i pay $20, do you think it's fair that i get everything that you got? I don't so you should get what you pay for. Umm yes, if you took the time to look for a better deal you should be congratulated no punished.[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="CasualMike"] lmao. what? that was the worst argument i've ever read. so they just randomly should be able to decide to charge for the online component of a game? just because? "but a ticket and stand in line like everyone else don't pick one off the ground and expect to see the game." WHAT?? The_Pacific
Thats like saying: "I bought my game for 40$ so all those steam users who got it for 15$ should only get 15$ worth of content" :|
Difference is all those sales you mention are new or achieved by a price drop or sale, those should be congratulated.Used games should be treated as a compensation to buying new: "I could get all content or save a handful of bucks and get less" - Take your pick. (Thats how i would view it)
Umm yes, if you took the time to look for a better deal you should be congratulated no punished.[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]
[QUOTE="JohnF111"] If you paid $60 for a game and i pay $20, do you think it's fair that i get everything that you got? I don't so you should get what you pay for.JohnF111
Thats like saying: "I bought my game for 40$ so all those steam users who got it for 15$ should only get 15$ worth of content" :|
Difference is all those sales you mention are new or achieved by a price drop or sale, those should be congratulated.Used games should be treated as a compensation to buying new: "I could get all content or save a handful of bucks and get less" - Take your pick. (Thats how i would view it)
It punishes the person who bought the game at full price in the first place because if they want to resell it, they're getting probably about $15 less than they should. Its stupid. They charge out the ass for shoddy DLC. EA and Dice were talking about the DLC BEFORE the game was already released. Talking about getting people to pay for more content that they could easily put on the disc, and you people SUPPORT that? You want them to "make more money?" These aren't small developers doing this. The people who are doing this like EA don't need more money. This isn't helping some small developer be able to make a sequel to their critically acclaimed little game. Its feeding a big corporation more cash simply because they can do it.it sucks but in the end its their product, they can do whatever they want with it. you guys dont like it? dont buy the games or the pass. simple really.mems_1224Its people like you who are why games will probably be 70-80 next gen. Just bend over and grab your ankles, why don't you?
[QUOTE="mems_1224"]it sucks but in the end its their product, they can do whatever they want with it. you guys dont like it? dont buy the games or the pass. simple really.CasualMikeIts people like you who are why games will probably be 70-80 next gen. Just bend over and grab your ankles, why don't you? vote with your wallet. i like batman and battlefield 3 so i buy them new. i get a code, i get to play everything. so i dont really care if someone who wants to get ripped off by gamestop buys it used and cant play online. not my problem.
The company found a way to make more money, so they do it. Companies generally try to make more money, that is the goal of them you know. So I'm guessing if they are making more money at your expense you're all for it? Didn't realize people loved being screwed so much...but like I said, that corporate ass must taste nice to the people so heavily supporting it.People like you need to stop grouping all gamers into one group. We're not all getting screwed by this, you are, not me and to which I say I don't care. We're not buddies, I don't know you and I don't want to get to know you either so whatever happens to you is none of my concern. I paid $60 for a game and I got every single bit that was promised to me, you paid $55 and got half a game, that's your problem.[QUOTE="cain006"]
[QUOTE="XileLord"]Strong argument, would hold relevance if we were talking about let's say.....P2P MMORPG's. The physical copy of the product is yours upon buying it, access to the servers used to actually be included in let's say......the 60$ price tag you shelled out and back in the good old days when you went out to borrow a friends game or rent a game you'd actually be able to use ALL of the online features. (amazing right?)
Developers got by for YEARS making huge profits off games like that. It's only when some corporate butthead behind a comfy desk decided they wanted to make a bit more money on the side when the online passes actually came into reality. As expected though, people continue to lick corporate ass and they will continue to do so. They've already started to charge for content that is already on the disc, do you honestly think they are just going to stop at online passes?XileLord
[QUOTE="XileLord"]So I'm guessing if they are making more money at your expense you're all for it? Didn't realize people loved being screwed so much...but like I said, that corporate ass must taste nice to the people so heavily supporting it.People like you need to stop grouping all gamers into one group. We're not all getting screwed by this, you are, not me and to which I say I don't care. We're not buddies, I don't know you and I don't want to get to know you either so whatever happens to you is none of my concern. I paid $60 for a game and I got every single bit that was promised to me, you paid $55 and got half a game, that's your problem. :lol: exactly. the only people getting screwed are the ones complaining.[QUOTE="cain006"]The company found a way to make more money, so they do it. Companies generally try to make more money, that is the goal of them you know.
Rockman999
[QUOTE="CasualMike"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]it sucks but in the end its their product, they can do whatever they want with it. you guys dont like it? dont buy the games or the pass. simple really.mems_1224Its people like you who are why games will probably be 70-80 next gen. Just bend over and grab your ankles, why don't you? vote with your wallet. i like batman and battlefield 3 so i buy them new. i get a code, i get to play everything. so i dont really care if someone who wants to get ripped off by gamestop buys it used and cant play online. not my problem. Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.
[QUOTE="XileLord"]So I'm guessing if they are making more money at your expense you're all for it? Didn't realize people loved being screwed so much...but like I said, that corporate ass must taste nice to the people so heavily supporting it.People like you need to stop grouping all gamers into one group. We're not all getting screwed by this, you are, not me and to which I say I don't care. We're not buddies, I don't know you and I don't want to get to know you either so whatever happens to you is none of my concern. I paid $60 for a game and I got every single bit that was promised to me, you paid $55 and got half a game, that's your problem. That's the spirit, you don't need anyone![QUOTE="cain006"]The company found a way to make more money, so they do it. Companies generally try to make more money, that is the goal of them you know.
Rockman999
[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I am a large support of it....I like the idea of gaming companies getting more money. I want more games. R4gn4r0k
Same here. Why should gamestores get money from second hand games but not the developers & publishers ?
yup, id rather get screwed by the company thats gonna put out more great games than the company that will give me $20 for a game and go back and sell it for $55 lol[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I am a large support of it....I like the idea of gaming companies getting more money. I want more games. mems_1224
Same here. Why should gamestores get money from second hand games but not the developers & publishers ?
yup, id rather get screwed by the company thats gonna put out more great games than the company that will give me $20 for a game and go back and sell it for $55 lol I'm not talking about GAMESTOP, bro. Gamestop sucks. I'm talking about selling the game personally to someone. To a friend. Or off of Craigslist. I don't help Gamestop unless they have a really good deal on used games.
I don't mind, any game I have intention of playing online I buy new. Heil68
This. I don't really care because I buy majority of my games new.
I understand that developers want to make money, but I think there are better ways of doing this.Like how about used game retailers like gamestop have to share a part of the profits that they get from used game sells with developers? Or how about have liscensing codes like PC games have or prduct keys ect... but have them pay a transfer fee to the developer if they want to sell it or trade it? I don't know just some ideas....
As of right now though it's nota big issue and it could be worse (probably will). At least it's not like having to pay a fee every month or something like that, I would be pissed lol. Oh and Uncharted 3 has great multiplayer, you are missing out.
[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="CasualMike"] Its people like you who are why games will probably be 70-80 next gen. Just bend over and grab your ankles, why don't you?CasualMikevote with your wallet. i like batman and battlefield 3 so i buy them new. i get a code, i get to play everything. so i dont really care if someone who wants to get ripped off by gamestop buys it used and cant play online. not my problem. Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.[QUOTE="CasualMike"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] vote with your wallet. i like batman and battlefield 3 so i buy them new. i get a code, i get to play everything. so i dont really care if someone who wants to get ripped off by gamestop buys it used and cant play online. not my problem.Lionheart08
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
It has nothing to do with them trying to make money. EA isn't hurting. Its them trying to make more money in a situation where they don't need to and its uncalled for.Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.[QUOTE="CasualMike"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] vote with your wallet. i like batman and battlefield 3 so i buy them new. i get a code, i get to play everything. so i dont really care if someone who wants to get ripped off by gamestop buys it used and cant play online. not my problem.Lionheart08
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer?[QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="CasualMike"] Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.savebattery
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer?well dont buy games then. you aren't gonna convince many people to join you though.[QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="CasualMike"] Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.savebattery
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer? no, this is what's next http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoFe8hRy42o&feature=player_embeddedYou're getting raped and/or herded because you're under the assumption that by paying $60 you should be entitled to more than someone who purchases the game from someone used. I bet you think all the DLCs are worth $15 and its a-okay for the purchase to only unlock material that was already on the disc. Pathetic.CasualMikeits not okay but there isn't anything i can do about it. im gonna buy things i like because i have the money to do it. what i do with my money isn't your problem. just like when you buy a used game and cant play half of it isn't my problem.
[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|mems_1224They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer?well dont buy games then. you aren't gonna convince many people to join you though. Eventually there will be a breaking point. It might take a few years, but eventually gamers will wise up just like they did in the early 80s. Terrible publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, THQ, Microsoft, Warner, and Sony Computer Entertainment will continue gouging their customers until they ultimately collapse the market.
lol i can't believe some of the people on here that think its a-ok for them to charge this. I'm guessing you're the people who shell out 15 a pop for a 3 map pack every month or two. They up the price of games to $60 this gen. They start announcing DLC before the GAME IS EVEN RELEASED. That's what pisses me off the most. When they're talking about future DLC and the game hasn't even come out yet. PUT IT ON THE DISC goddamitCasualMike
Gears
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every game will soon in the future
Can someone who buys used describe the point in saving FIVE DOLLARS? (this is in regards to used "newer" games)
In fact, why not buy NEW from Amazon, for CHEAPER than used?
The root of the problem is gamestop and their return policy which allows you to swap games within a 30 day period. What worries me is what happens when this gen is over, and I want to buy a game for PS3/xbox that I missed out on. I wonder if the "online passes" will be nulled at that point--it is certainly possible.
The root of the problem is gamestop and their return policy which allows you to swap games within a 30 day period. What worries me is what happens when this gen is over, and I want to buy a game for PS3/xbox that I missed out on. I wonder if the "online passes" will be nulled at that point--it is certainly possible.
Heirren
Idd that's the only gripe I have with it. If the game isn't in stores anymore and the only option you have is to buy second hand than there shouldn't be an online pass.
They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer?savebattery
Tell me, exactly what rights are the consumer losing with this new movement? They still have the right to play the game, still have the right to sell it if they pleased. Limiting features to people who buy the game second-hand isn't stealing any rights from anyone.
It has nothing to do with them trying to make money. EA isn't hurting. Its them trying to make more money in a situation where they don't need to and its uncalled for. CasualMike
Which returns to my previous statement, no business sets out to cap how much profit they can make. At the end of the day, they're still a business, not some Noble Organization trying to fulfill everyone's entitlement complex.
[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="CasualMike"] Grab your ankles, bro. You don't understand. This is a new thing this generation pretty much manufactured by EA just so they can make more money. They weren't hurting or in need of any more money. They found a way where they could get people (like you) to buy their games that are overpriced as is and abuse the fact that they don't know any better to notice something fishy going on. Obviously you're a sheep who doesn't care about giving a big corporation more money than they're worth, so maybe you should just stay out of this thread.CasualMike
A business is trying to make more money you say! I'm totally shocked by this new found development. :|
They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer? no, this is what's nextlol that video is bad, I hope DLC never happens like that again. But online pass isn't anything like that....
Wait...what? They have a 30 day policy? lol. seriously? I've never heard of it. I would assume that would get abused to no end.Can someone who buys used describe the point in saving FIVE DOLLARS? (this is in regards to used "newer" games)
In fact, why not buy NEW from Amazon, for CHEAPER than used?
The root of the problem is gamestop and their return policy which allows you to swap games within a 30 day period. What worries me is what happens when this gen is over, and I want to buy a game for PS3/xbox that I missed out on. I wonder if the "online passes" will be nulled at that point--it is certainly possible.
Heirren
[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]well dont buy games then. you aren't gonna convince many people to join you though.CasualMikeEventually there will be a breaking point. It might take a few years, but eventually gamers will wise up just like they did in the early 80s. Terrible publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, THQ, Microsoft, Warner, and Sony Computer Entertainment will continue gouging their customers until they ultimately collapse the market. EA is going to realize it when games like BF3 don't sell or have as established of a fanbase on consoles STILL as CoD. Call of Duty doesn't have an online pass. People borrow CoD games from their friends, play them, THEN go and decide to buy them. The opportunity to TRY a game's multiplayer needs to be there. If EA allowed Battlefield to even have a TRIAL, I'd be fine with it. Simply not allowing someone to play the game online at all without buying it new is idiotic. They're going to fail with it anyways. Their stubbornness irks me, though. they had an open beta so that people could try it and battlefield sold really well and on consoles more than it did on pc
[QUOTE="savebattery"]They're trying to make money at the expense of your rights as a consumer. That's why it's a problem, and even if you don't personally care reinforcing the behavior with your business will only lead to more shenanigans in the future. What's next, an extra fee for local multiplayer?Lionheart08
Tell me, exactly what rights are the consumer losing with this new movement? They still have the right to play the game, still have the right to sell it if they pleased. Limiting features to people who buy the game second-hand isn't stealing any rights from anyone.
It has nothing to do with them trying to make money. EA isn't hurting. Its them trying to make more money in a situation where they don't need to and its uncalled for. CasualMike
Which returns to my previous statement, no business sets out to cap how much profit they can make. At the end of the day, they're still a business, not some Noble Organization trying to fulfill everyone's entitlement complex.
And...so? That doesn't mean we should just be content and happy with that. Oh, they added online passes and fees and all this, oh well. No. Just because they have the ability to do that and charge people more doesn't make it right.Please Log In to post.
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