What is your problem with GTA IV?

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Judging by various polls and threads I've read over the last few weeks, it seems that the overwhelming majority believe GTAIV is overrated, but most also think that it is a great game, just not deserving of the 10.

I personally think it deserves a 9.5. When people talk about the game, they don't really give any reasons for why they don't think it deserves the 10. What is your problem (or what are your problems) with GTAIV?

I'm weird in that I play GTA games somewhat exclusively for 2 years after release. That's how long the latest 3 major ones lasted me. Yeah, 2 years. I really like GTAIV but I'm pretty sure this one won't last me as long. The realism aspect of the game is fantastic, but I don't get why they cut out aspects that increase the longevity of the game, after the story is finished.

Simple things like car customisation, or property buying etc shouldn't have been cut out, and there's really no excuse for why they were. It's not like either are unrealistic. I feel like Rockstar deliberately played it safe this time around due to the game being on next-gen systems, more than 1 console at the time of release. I think they thought that a new fanbase would come in so they cut down on the risk taking as to not alienate them.

I also feel like they cut out extra content to intice gamers to buy the DLC when it arrives. I think this will backfire though simply because it's taken too long for the DLC to be released, and I really doubt people will still be playing the game come 2009. I would be pretty pissed if the extra content turned out to be something like property buying or car customisation... I mean, why should we have to pay extra for something like that?

What are your problems with GTAIV? Do you agree/disagree with anything I wrote? What do you guys think? I really hope this thread gets a discussion going cause I want to hear lots of differing opinions on this.

I'd give it a 9.5, but the developers deserve a 10 for the sheer amount of work + dedication it must've took to make this game as great as they did.

Everything thats in it, every mission, every garbage can, weather effect, waypoint, model, the entire size of the city, the man power everything. It's a technical marvel imo and the developers deserve all the praise they can get.

The only thing that brings the game down for me is after you finish the storyline, there's not much left. San Andreas was always fun to me, i could get a jet, put the indesctructable code on and go flying around everywhere crashing into things and there was a lot to do. GTA4 is less cartoony, and more serious, which i like, but it also makes it harder to have plain fun after you beat the storyline.

the fighting sucked more than it originally did.there was nothing epic or in depth about it...it was sparse and very cheaply executed.

music wasnt that good...most the stations were semi decent.

theres some from my list

For me it was just like alot of games this gen. Same old game with better graphics. I played all the others, all of them. I expect more from my games these days, this just gave me the same as all the others and even after an hour i got the feeling i'd done and seen it all before. If this was number 2 in the series i'd probably it.Frozzik

Yeah, I can understand that. I personally did feel an upgrade, but I still feel they played it a bit too safe. While I think the realistic aspect of it was a step in the right direction, they cut out too much, and even though it's realistic, it's less fun, and games are about fun.

I'd give it a 9.5, but the developers deserve a 10 for the sheer amount of work + dedication it must've took to make this game as great as they did.

Everything thats in it, every mission, every garbage can, weather effect, waypoint, model, the entire size of the city, the man power everything. It's a technical marvel imo and the developers deserve all the praise they can get.

The only thing that brings the game down for me is after you finish the storyline, there's not much left. San Andreas was always fun to me, i could get a jet, put the indesctructable code on and go flying around everywhere crashing into things and there was a lot to do. GTA4 is less cartoony, and more serious, which i like, but it also makes it harder to have plain fun after you beat the storyline.

shadyd1717

I pretty much agree completely with that. Everything is so detailed, it's pretty damn amazing. No other game this gen has so much work put into it, you can easily tell.

That last paragraph is my exact problem with the game. I really, really hope that the DLC doesn't add something like planes/car customisation/property buying, because it will be like they are ripping us off. Either way, there's way too little to do with the money after the game has been completed. And realistic or not, planes are needed.

Simple things like car customisation, or property buying etc shouldn't have been cut out, and there's really no excuse for why they were. It's not like either are unrealistic. I feel like Rockstar deliberately played it safe this time around due to the game being on next-gen systems, more than 1 console at the time of release. I think they thought that a new fanbase would come in so they cut down on the risk taking as to not alienate them.

I also feel like they cut out extra content to intice gamers to buy the DLC when it arrives. I think this will backfire though simply because it's taken too long for the DLC to be released, and I really doubt people will still be playing the game come 2009. I would be pretty pissed if the extra content turned out to be something like property buying or car customisation... I mean, why should we have to pay extra for something like that?

the-very-best

That, and how they substituted it with a horrible multiplayer. I used to love customizing my cars and when I found out I couldn't, I was like wtf? Then I was like hey, I have $750K, I wanna go buy a house or something like Faustin because I hate apartments.

They give you all this money and it isn't even necessary, in previous GTA's it would've been useful but when you die in 4, you get to keep your weapons. It's not like you have to go back and buy all your guns over again.

ps: is the PS3 version getting DLC aswell? I was planning on rebuying it (because it is a great game that I want to go through atleast one more time) for the PS3 since my 360 had got the RROD, but if there isn't going to be any DLC in the future (even if it isn't the episodic content) I might as well just rent it.

I pretty much agree with what you wrote -- Customization should not have been taken out.

I pretty much got bored of it after a bit, but i've never been a huge GTA fan. I got bored of GTA after GTA3 -- I enjoyed SA but again, I got bored of it half way through.

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i love GTA4. but this video will show thye problems I had.

OK... reading over the OP, makes it sound like I hate the game. I don't, I think it's amazing (a masterpiece really) and there are many things that were a step in the right direction, like character development and the story itself, both of which were fantastic. This thread is just about problems that need to be addressed for the next entry in the series.

I agree with what you said. I really hate when someone says it deserves a 7.5 at best... Pretty sure mingo said that one.. : |rolo107

lol, 7.5. If you don't like GTA, you don't like GTA, simple as that. But if you're playing the game as a fan of the series there is no denying the amount of work/detail that was put into GTAIV. Giving it less than a 9 is just embarrassing for the person who reviews it.

That, and how they substituted it with a horrible multiplayer. I used to love customizing my cars and when I found out I couldn't, I was like wtf? Then I was like hey, I have $750K, I wanna go buy a house or something like Faustin because I hate apartments.

They give you all this money and it isn't even necessary, in previous GTA's it would've been useful but when you die in 4, you get to keep your weapons. It's not like you have to go back and buy all your guns over again.

ps: is the PS3 version getting DLC aswell? I was planning on rebuying it (because it is a great game that I want to go through atleast one more time) for the PS3 since my 360 had got the RROD, but if there isn't going to be any DLC in the future (even if it isn't the episodic content) I might as well just rent it.

TheNuyorican

Right, and how is car customisation unrealistic? I get the realistic theme of the game and I like it, but car customisation isn't unreleastic. Especially for someone like Niko who buy the end of the story has heaps of cash. I mean, what are you supposed to do with all the money?

Buy clothes? How exciting.

As for the DLC, I don't know if the PS3 version is getting any. The 360 version is definitely getting DLC which will arrive probably in January, but we don't know the content of that yet. Judging from what I've read from Houser, it sounds like it will be side missions.

Oh I agree with you (minus the rating), especially on the longevity issue. I don't think the game will last nearly as long as it's predecessors. I haven't enjoyed a GTA before this one and I think added property buying and car customization would be excellent (as well as small things like planes etc.). I think the DLC idea would be nice, but seeing as they already had DLC planned it makes you wonder about what they could've included in the main game and what will be included in hte DLC. There really isn't much to do in Liberty City other than try and complete every quest, and after that you're just sitting there thinking of ways to be creative (and GTAIV doesn't give you enough options there).

One of my reasons for finding it "overrated," as compared to reviewers, is that the story isn't as strong as some reviewers make it out to be. Niko Bellic is an average main lead (well perhaps above average by today's standards), but he really doesn't evolve as the story progresses. He's not dynamic, nor are his friends. Plus right around midway the game's story takes a plunge, with missions being less focused on finding out who the guy that betrayed you was, and being more focused on doing little errands for annoying patrons like Elizabeth. It comes together again in the latter parts of the game though, luckily.

Another reason is the longevity issue that you pretty much nailed. I've already explained myself there.

One other reason I find it "overrated" is the whole realism aspect. It seems to have sucked some of the life out of the game, but also to have given it a more believable atmosphere. I guess this could be tied in with the longevity issue. The realism doesn't make exploring LC that much fun. It makes it a chore to hammer A (on 360 anyway) to run from point A to point B just so you can get in a helicopter to fool around.

The online is also fairly weak. Not fun enough to keep me playing more than a few matches. The best game modes are the ones nobody plays (cops and robbers, free mode, etc.). It's nothing more than a really dull TPS when you strip it down to "deathmatch" on the industrial island with no vehicles like some people do.

There's smaller issues as well, like the driving mechanics. They're easy to get a hold of, but sometimes you'll brake while going merely over 20mph (40kph-ish) and you'll skid farther than you normally would, or you'll hit a curb and do a barrel roll or a frontflip. The braindead AI on most of the civilians also tends to jump right into your path when you're driving a car, even if you're driving on the street and you blow the horn at another car a civilian may jump in your path arousing the cops.

Now that's without the technical glitches and everything--I've gotten stuck in buildings, other people, doors, etc. Floated several hundred feet into the sky just to die, and swam faster than a speedboat. Of course these are generally rare occurences and glitches are to be expected. It's a sandbox game.

GTAIV is still a great game though. It has it's merits. A semi-decent storyline (compelling enough to finish it) and a great attention to detail (the satire is my favorite part of the game). Graphically it's about on par with other free roaming games, maybe a bit less graphically advanced but the lighting is great and fitting. Soundtrack needs a bit of work, but that's just my opinion, some originals are great other songs (especially the licensed ones) are pretty bad. There's enough replay value for me to play roughly 50-60 hours, but not enough to keep me going after that.

For me it's an 8.5 game. Solid, quality, and fun. Just not deserving of the 10, in my honest opinion.
Saturos3091

I agree with quite a lot of what you've written, mainly just disagree about the story and characters cause I really liked Niko and the story.

"One other reason I find it "overrated" is the whole realism aspect. It seems to have sucked some of the life out of the game, but also to have given it a more believable atmosphere. I guess this could be tied in with the longevity issue. The realism doesn't make exploring LC that much fun. It makes it a chore to hammer A (on 360 anyway) to run from point A to point B just so you can get in a helicopter to fool around."

I totally agree with that. I'm a little worried that we're never gonna see planes again due to the realism aspect and while I really did feel a better atmosphere in LC due to the realistic aspect of it, I really miss planes. But I still don't get how property buying or other things like car customisation are unrealistic.

Also, good point about the DLC. The fact that it was planned from the beginning really tells you that they probably held back from adding too much to entice viewers to get the DLC, but the fact that they cut out too much is just going to make people lose interest in the game earlier, so it will backfire against them, and to be honest, they deserve that.

[QUOTE="TheNuyorican"]

That, and how they substituted it with a horrible multiplayer. I used to love customizing my cars and when I found out I couldn't, I was like wtf? Then I was like hey, I have $750K, I wanna go buy a house or something like Faustin because I hate apartments.

They give you all this money and it isn't even necessary, in previous GTA's it would've been useful but when you die in 4, you get to keep your weapons. It's not like you have to go back and buy all your guns over again.

ps: is the PS3 version getting DLC aswell? I was planning on rebuying it (because it is a great game that I want to go through atleast one more time) for the PS3 since my 360 had got the RROD, but if there isn't going to be any DLC in the future (even if it isn't the episodic content) I might as well just rent it.

the-very-best

Right, and how is car customisation unrealistic? I get the realistic theme of the game and I like it, but car customisation isn't unreleastic. Especially for someone like Niko who buy the end of the story has heaps of cash. I mean, what are you supposed to do with all the money?

Buy clothes? How exciting.

As for the DLC, I don't know if the PS3 version is getting any. The 360 version is definitely getting DLC which will arrive probably in January, but we don't know the content of that yet. Judging from what I've read from Houser, it sounds like it will be side missions.

That's another thing, the selection of clothes is horrible. They should've just not included it, the best clothes are things you get from the missions. (mask after the bank robbery, GTA3 outfit if you kill playboy x, etc)

I would give this game no more than a 9, no less. If they didn't take something out for everything they added (such as a phone; it would've been nice to been able to buy new phones or something, give me a reason to spend money) I think it would definitely be a 10.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake with the next GTA. I'm ok with an occasional poor decision because they are human after all, they probably thought this would take the franchise a step ahead and it didn't go as planned. All they have to do now is listen to the fans to make the next one a true 10.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/443923

i love GTA4. but this video will show thye problems I had.

-GhostMLD-

lmao. That was awesome.

That's another thing, the selection of clothes is horrible. They should've just not included it, the best clothes are things you get from the missions. (mask after the bank robbery, GTA3 outfit if you kill playboy x, etc)

I would give this game no more than a 9, no less. If they didn't take something out for everything they added (such as a phone; it would've been nice to been able to buy new phones or something, give me a reason to spend money) I think it would definitely be a 10.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake with the next GTA. I'm ok with an occasional poor decision because they are human after all, they probably thought this would take the franchise a step ahead and it didn't go as planned. All they have to do now is listen to the fans to make the next one a true 10.

TheNuyorican

I agree, the phone was pretty awesome and I really like all the other new additions (GPS and all that is actually very useful) but I definitely agree that the game would have been "prime" (10/10) had the new additions not cost the removal of old aspects of the game.

Even minor things like swimming underwater. I mean, I know that's not special or anything, but why remove it? I can swim underwater, why can't Niko? There's nothing unrealistic about it.

I agree very much with the last paragraph and I hope that is what they do... but money talks, so we'll see what happens.

it's $60

i'll buy it when it's like $20

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i love GTA4. but this video will show thye problems I had.

-GhostMLD-

Haha I laughed so hard at that

My problem is.. its not as good as Vice City. Vice City didn't get a 10, therefore GTA4 shouldn't. And the multiplayer seems half done.. or just not that great.user_nat

I would have rather them take out the MP entirely and given us the older things like planes, property, swimming underwater, car customisation etc.

Socializing was THE biggest pain in the ***. Even when I would put the phone on sleep mode, those bastards would send me these annoying text messages, GAH!.

I thought the story and the characters were uninteresting, in contrast to Vice City and San Andreas. There was nothing to do outside of the main missions in this game. Sure you had the 200 pigeons or the 50 stunt jumps, but honestly, what happened to those awesome dirt bike races, or gokart races?

A lot of what made San Andreas wacky, was what I really enjoyed... Zero where art thou!!

I don't have a problem. It took all the useless crap out that was in GTA: SA and refined the gameplay experience.BioShockOwnz

What was useless in SA?

I actually liked the country to be honest, but I do prefer the detail in LC, so that is definitely a step in the right direction.

Socializing was THE biggest pain in the ***. Even when I would put the phone on sleep mode, those bastards would send me these annoying text messages, GAH!.

I thought the story and the characters were uninteresting, in contrast to Vice City and San Andreas. There was nothing to do outside of the main missions in this game. Sure you had the 200 pigeons or the 50 stunt jumps, but honestly, what happened to those awesome dirt bike races, or gokart races?

A lot of what made San Andreas wacky, was what I really enjoyed... Zero where art thou!!

elbow2k

Zero was awesome, but come on, GTAIV had some great characters! You didn't like Brucie? I thought he was great... and Roman was pretty cool too, as were a lot of other majors.

I didn't really get too many calls from the friends of Niko but every time I did, I'd just say no unless I wanted to unlock their benefits.

The dirt bike races in SA were awesome, so again, another thing that didn't need to be taken out. There's nothing interesting about looking for 200 pigeons to be honest.

I think Niko moves awkwardly, the physics are strange to me, and I just never had fun, not sure why. I love the series but this game just didn't do it for me...

I didn't know they took out the races too..

Are Brucie's races limited? I started to get into doing his races but then thats when my 360 got the RROD and never bothered with it again.

Zero was awesome, but come on, GTAIV had some great characters! You didn't like Brucie? I thought he was great... and Roman was pretty cool too, as were a lot of other majors.

I didn't really get too many calls from the friends of Niko but every time I did, I'd just say no unless I wanted to unlock their benefits.

The dirt bike races in SA were awesome, so again, another thing that didn't need to be taken out. There's nothing interesting about looking for 200 pigeons to be honest.

the-very-best

At least when you collected th 100 tags, or 50 horseshoes or whatever, you got something usefull in return. I got the 100% completion from GTAIV, and I had to deal a lot with those calls, it was just the most annoying thing in the game.

Yeah there were some good characters, Little Jacob and Brucie in particular made it a little less painfull to go "hangout" with your "friends", but in the end, they always get in the way. Besides nothing beats The Truth or the character James Woods played in the game.

I think Niko moves awkwardly, the physics are strange to me, and I just never had fun, not sure why. I love the series but this game just didn't do it for me...

Cellpwn

I'm a little concerned that Rockstar will think GTAIV was absolutely perfect judging by the reviews and just ignore fan reaction which has clearly stated that there are problems in GTAIV, none of which were mentioned in reviews.

I hope they do listen to the fans...

I didn't know they took out the races too..

Are Brucie's races limited? I started to get into doing his races but then thats when my 360 got the RROD and never bothered with it again.

TheNuyorican

There's 9 races for Brucie and they're all pointless cause the AI is so bad that the races can be won with your eyes closed.

At least when you collected th 100 tags, or 50 horseshoes or whatever, you got something usefull in return. I got the 100% completion from GTAIV, and I had to deal a lot with those calls, it was just the most annoying thing in the game.

Yeah there were some good characters, Little Jacob and Brucie in particular made it a little less painfull to go "hangout" with your "friends", but in the end, they always get in the way. Besides nothing beats The Truth or the character James Woods played in the game.

elbow2k

Yeah, Mike and The Truth were fantastic. I didn't really like CJ too much though whereas I really like Niko. He's just a little too subdued at times I found.

You can put your phone on sleep to avoid getting the calls I think. You'll still get the messages though, lol.

[QUOTE="TheNuyorican"]

I didn't know they took out the races too..

Are Brucie's races limited? I started to get into doing his races but then thats when my 360 got the RROD and never bothered with it again.

the-very-best

There's 9 races for Brucie and they're all pointless cause the AI is so bad that the races can be won with your eyes closed.

:lol: I know, I accidentally drove way passed the street where I turned, so I tried to make a u-turn and got hit by a few cars, by the time I got myself back into the race 10 seconds had to go by and I was still in first place.

Eh, hopefully they put back some of the fun stuff in GTA single player. Not every game needs a multiplayer to be good (ex: GTA, MGS)

I think Niko moves awkwardly, the physics are strange to me, and I just never had fun, not sure why. I love the series but this game just didn't do it for me...

Cellpwn

Maybe the physics are too realistic to what you're use to? And like the OP said, people say that this game wasn't that good but can't really explain why...

:lol: I know, I accidentally drove way passed the street where I turned, so I tried to make a u-turn and got hit by a few cars, by the time I got myself back into the race 10 seconds had to go by and I was still in first place.

Eh, hopefully they put back some of the fun stuff in GTA single player. Not every game needs a multiplayer to be good (ex: GTA, MGS)

TheNuyorican

I feel like the MP portion was just something R* felt they were required to do simply because it's next-gen now and almost all games have online. However, to me, R* has always been the leader of the pack so I don't see why they felt they had to 'fit in' with everyone else. MP was definitely not needed, and too many things have been sacrificed unfortunately.

Here are my problems with GTA IV

it was WAY too realistic which for some reason made it less fun than previous GTA's, the game is really really short IMO, most of the missions are pretty much the same, go from point A to point B, kill X dude/ get someone else's money/ pursue Z dude and kill him, etc.

To be honest, I had more fun with Saints Row than GTA IV

I think the game is great but the technical side of the game (because it was so amazing) made some reviewers ignore the minor problems with the games. Such the graphics, which on either console have a little bit of popin, some minor character glitches, and some minor framerate problems which alone add up to the game not being 100% perfect. munu9

Right... it's kind of annoying that reviewers got caught up in the hype. I mean, we're the ones who are supposed to get caught up in the hype, reviewers should try to remain impartial.

There's something missing from GTAIV. It's not just minor things like car customisation or property buying, but it feels like something major has been taken out of it and I can't tell what it is.

i will give you a list of my likes and dislikes about GTAIV

Likes:

Graphics: i'm no graphics ***** but damn i love how it looks.

Physics: There is something so satisfying about hitting a person in the leg with a gun and see him/her crumple under their own weight =]

Characters: they have so much depth and are pretty funny at the same time a good example is manny lol that guy was funny.

Cars: pretty and fast love em =]

these are just a few so you get the picture. . .

Dislikes:

Story: I don't care what anyone says the story sucked in comparison to it's predecessors.

Guns: They took out some of my favorites like the mini-gun and the flame thrower but why? for what reason? realism? realism should take second place to fun in my opinion.

Misc.: the inability to buy a buisiness or anything is kind of **** what the hell am i supposed to do with my money spend it on health care? ooooooooo fun!

there you go my reasons for liking and disliking GTAIV i think it deserved a 9 at the least or a 9.5 at the most. . .

[QUOTE="munu9"]I think the game is great but the technical side of the game (because it was so amazing) made some reviewers ignore the minor problems with the games. Such the graphics, which on either console have a little bit of popin, some minor character glitches, and some minor framerate problems which alone add up to the game not being 100% perfect. the-very-best

Right... it's kind of annoying that reviewers got caught up in the hype. I mean, we're the ones who are supposed to get caught up in the hype, reviewers should try to remain impartial.

There's something missing from GTAIV. It's not just minor things like car customisation or property buying, but it feels like something major has been taken out of it and I can't tell what it is.

Whats missing is the fun lol no big fun guns to blast things with and no tanks to crush things with thats what its missing. . .

Not entirely worried about the "end-game" of GTA, because the actual campaign has been ramped up significantly because of it.

Come to think about it, GTA IV is a lot like Mafia this time around, in that it's simply a 'linear' story set in a large sprawling world. Mafia was a fantastic game, and the only thing that "hurt" the game's score (which the PC version got AAA for) was that it had absolutely no replay value whatsoever.

I do believe GTA IV deserve's its 10. This is coming from a guy who didn't particularly like the GTA games before because of the immaturity embedded underneath the entire series. It seems that no one cares that Rockstar has created what undoubtedly is the closest we've ever been to a living, breathing world thus far. Walking down the street and just seeing random things, so much so that if I did the GameSpot review I'd give the game five "Oh Snap!" badges just for the attention to detail in the game.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]I think the game is great but the technical side of the game (because it was so amazing) made some reviewers ignore the minor problems with the games. Such the graphics, which on either console have a little bit of popin, some minor character glitches, and some minor framerate problems which alone add up to the game not being 100% perfect. big_smoke_666

Right... it's kind of annoying that reviewers got caught up in the hype. I mean, we're the ones who are supposed to get caught up in the hype, reviewers should try to remain impartial.

There's something missing from GTAIV. It's not just minor things like car customisation or property buying, but it feels like something major has been taken out of it and I can't tell what it is.

Whats missing is the fun lol no big fun guns to blast things with and no tanks to crush things with thats what its missing. . .

Hopefully now rockstar will learn how to make "GTA4: Vice City" a trully perfect game (unlike GTA4)

Whats missing is the fun lol no big fun guns to blast things with and no tanks to crush things with thats what its missing. . .

big_smoke_666

That's what Volition are going to take up.

I think the GTA series is going to progressively get more realistic, whereas Saint's Row is going to fill that stress relief sandbox fun.

I dont' think they should have removed any of the features that San Andreas excelled with. In 4, we only get 1 pair of good sunglasses, and they're not that great either. :P Taking away so many options like clothing, tattoos, hairstyles, and car mods/customization. What is Niko supposed to do with all that money if he can't buy new places to stay? I mean, I love the auto save, but I also like manually saving, and being able to conveniently manage multiple save files.

Some might say the series needed to be "slimmed down" or "focused". To that, I say: GTA isn't about that, it's about MORE, MORE, and MORE, period. GTA was never bloated to begin with.

Hey, the gunplay is awesome, and the shooting action is made into one of the most satisfying and visceral experiences thanks to the Euphoria engine, but the rest of the city you're in feels a bit shallow without the things SA introduced.

Oh yes, having to juggle mulitple friendships was annoying. VERY annoying.

There is a reason for everything. I say it was multiplat development. >_>

I think the "realism should take second place to fun in my opinion" is accurate, but I also think realism has made GTA amazing. I just feel that there were too many things taken out that could have been included in GTAIV and made realistic.

I mean, why can't Niko swim underwater, customise his cars, get tattoos etc, none of that is unrealistic. It's something that was expected in this and while we got some great new additions like the phone and GPS etc, none of those are exactly essential to the game's funfactor, and that is what should be the most important thing.

I hope they keep the realistic aspect for the next entry but add everything that was taken out, I'm sure R* can make them feel realistic. They are very talented devs.