What makes the PS2 Ratchet and Clanks so much better than the PS3 ones?

This is a question to the ones who have enjoyed the series at one point. I'm only talking about Tools of Destruction and Crack in Time btw. It's obvious why FFA and A4O are subpar.

I always see people hate on ToD & aCiT and say they're worse than the original trilogy, but no one ever says why. I think they're worse too (Even though they're still great imo) but I have my reasons. I just see people saying they suck compared to the original 3 without ever giving a reason except for some of the people who say they've gotten bored of the formula. I'm just curious. 

nostalgia. people just look back at those ps2 times as some sort of gaming valhalla. a crack in time is as good, if not better than any of the ps2 R&Cs...and that's just being objective. 

Franchise fatigue. Badosh

Without comparing FFA and All 4 One, which was just a lame game, I have no idea. I really liked ToD but my save file corrupted near the end of the game. Crack in Time was really good at first, but Axiom City is just a wall to fun for me. The series never had great combat on the PS3, and then Axiom City dumps loads of combat in cheap situations with dull gray environments.Blabadon

Buncha BS. Every single one of them are the same, Deadlocked being the only exception. With that said, Crack in Time is the best one.

Seeing how it's impossible to outdo Up Your Arsenal, it's understandable. Other than the awesome Crack in Time, R&C this gen have been... lackluster.

Without comparing FFA and All 4 One, which was just a lame game, I have no idea. I really liked ToD but my save file corrupted near the end of the game. Crack in Time was really good at first, but Axiom City is just a wall to fun for me. The series never had great combat on the PS3, and then Axiom City dumps loads of combat in cheap situations with dull gray environments.Blabadon

Dull grey environments? In R&C? Axiom City?

Whaaa??

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Without comparing FFA and All 4 One, which was just a lame game, I have no idea. I really liked ToD but my save file corrupted near the end of the game. Crack in Time was really good at first, but Axiom City is just a wall to fun for me. The series never had great combat on the PS3, and then Axiom City dumps loads of combat in cheap situations with dull gray environments.lazerface216

No, it's not. I played it with my brother, and we both kept wishing for the levels to end. I have no idea how the rest of the series compares since I'm not a fan, but All 4 one is boredom on a disc.

Franchise fatigue. Badosh

I think this was the biggest factor for me.  

nostalgia. people just look back at those ps2 times as some sort of gaming valhalla. a crack in time is as good, if not better than any of the ps2 R&Cs...and that's just being objective. 

lazerface216

ToD

Way too easy.

Annoying, Nefarious wannabe villain (lol)

60% of the weapons become completely obsolete in challenge mode... So bad weapon balance. (Main problem imo, whack weapons in general) 

Enemies were just not threatening in general, while in the original 3, they seemed much more violent and quicker to attack. Helped give the old ones some difficulty.

aCiT

Only like 6 planets? r u jk

80% of combat in that game revolved around killing re spawning enemies in a room or area. Seriously, you could just spawn kill most of them. It made it boring.

The older ones had much more clever enemy setups and level design in general.

Even less threatening enemies than ToD for the most part, except maybe that mega aimbot tank thing.

Less weapons than usual but at least all of them were useful.

Worst arena by far imo .....

The respawning enemies and level design kind of killed it for me though. I still though it was a good game but still...

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Without comparing FFA and All 4 One, which was just a lame game, I have no idea. I really liked ToD but my save file corrupted near the end of the game. Crack in Time was really good at first, but Axiom City is just a wall to fun for me. The series never had great combat on the PS3, and then Axiom City dumps loads of combat in cheap situations with dull gray environments.Renegade_Fury

No, it's not. I played it with my brother, and we both kept wishing for the levels to end. I have no idea how the rest of the series compares since I'm not a fan, but All 4 one is boredom on a disc.

CiT is probably my favorite R&C of all time, and ToD certainly stands up there with the PS2 ones. But QFB, A4O, and FFA were bad. Not just not good. They were downright bad games and should never have existed. That brings the average down tremendously, so on average, this generations have been A LOT worse.hexashadow13

The Ps3 games don't have: Balanced mix of action, adventure, and platfprming. Lack of clever puzzles and stage design. They have more repetion without many unque things making it hard to enjoy to the end, clunkier controls, lacks the clever comedy, lack of unique ideas for puzzles, scenarios and weapons, etc. etc.TigerSuperman

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]all 4 one is a blast with friends. it really is.

lazerface216

No, it's not. I played it with my brother, and we both kept wishing for the levels to end. I have no idea how the rest of the series compares since I'm not a fan, but All 4 one is boredom on a disc.

You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing All 4 One to Streets of Rage. That shit is blasphemy. Streets of Rage? I don't even... what?!

I've thought about buying the collection, but the ps3 stays at my brother's apartment most of the time. I don't know, but the reason I've never gotten into it is because it looks pretty average. The best way I can put it, is if DreamWorks ever made a game, Ratchet and Clank would be it. :P

People consider them better? I tried playing the HD collection and simply can't tolerate the controls.darkspineslayer

Ratchet & Clank 1 - is now not that great. Its ok.

R&C 2 - Still Awesome

R&C 3 - Still Awesome

R&C TOD - Awesome

R&C ACIT - Awesome

I liked pretty much all traditional R&C games.

Insomniac isn't dead to me until they make a straight up bad traditional Ratchet and Clank game. It's obvious that they weren't even trying to make FFA and A4O like the others. They have even said that they were experimenting with things for A4O. FFA was a downloadable title so I guess you shouldn't expect much of that. They were pretty much just taking a break from the main series for a while. I just hope their next one blows me away...

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

No, it's not. I played it with my brother, and we both kept wishing for the levels to end. I have no idea how the rest of the series compares since I'm not a fan, but All 4 one is boredom on a disc.

Renegade_Fury

You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing All 4 One to Streets of Rage. That shit is blasphemy. Streets of Rage? I don't even... what?!

I've thought about buying the collection, but the ps3 stays at my brother's apartment most of the time. I don't know, but the reason I've never gotten into it is because it looks pretty average. The best way I can put it, is if DreamWorks ever made a game, Ratchet and Clank would be it. :P

Nostalgia

Ratchet & Clank 1 - is now not that great. Its ok.

R&C 2 - Still Awesome

R&C 3 - Still Awesome

R&C TOD - Awesome

R&C ACIT - Awesome

 

I liked pretty much all traditional R&C games.

Mrmedia01

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]People consider them better? I tried playing the HD collection and simply can't tolerate the controls.IcyFlamez96

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time >>>>>>>> every other RnC game released to date! and its on PS3 btw

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time >>>>>>>> every other RnC game released to date! and its on PS3 btw

finalstar2007

Not saying you're wrong as I haven't played the latest stuff... but have you even played the older games?  

I find that you hold strong opinions about things you never even tried.  You preach about the newer FF games when you haven't played the old ones.  You dog out Nintendo games every chance you get even though you admit you never played them.  You praise CoD as the best thing ever when you have extremely limited experience with other shooters.

Is your opinion on R&C based on experience?  Or based on "this is all I played so its the best!"?

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time >>>>>>>> every other RnC game released to date! and its on PS3 btw

finalstar2007

Buncha BS. Every single one of them are the same, Deadlocked being the only exception. With that said, Crack in Time is the best one.

SexyJazzCat

The PS3 games are so repetitive and boring after awhile. The PS2 ones were not. blackace

Ratchet & Clank 1 - is now not that great. Its ok.

R&C 2 - Still Awesome

R&C 3 - Still Awesome

R&C TOD - Awesome

R&C ACIT - Awesome

 

I liked pretty much all traditional R&C games.

Mrmedia01

[QUOTE="SexyJazzCat"]

Buncha BS. Every single one of them are the same, Deadlocked being the only exception. With that said, Crack in Time is the best one.

Pitbulllova

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time >>>>>>>> every other RnC game released to date! and its on PS3 btw

ConanTheStoner

Not saying you're wrong as I haven't played the latest stuff... but have you even played the older games?  

I find that you hold strong opinions about things you never even tried.  You preach about the newer FF games when you haven't played the old ones.  You dog out Nintendo games every chance you get even though you admit you never played them.  You praise CoD as the best thing ever when you have extremely limited experience with other shooters.

Is your opinion on R&C based on experience?  Or based on "this is all I played so its the best!"?

I've played every single RnC game released to date yes.. from PS2, PSP, PSN, PS3 to PSVita i have played them all even the HD collections and Crack in Time is still imo the best RnC game released to date.. i hope they can do another one like it in the future for PS4.

I've played enough FF games to know and have a bigger picture on how they all are.. i've played FF1,FF2, FF10, 10-2, FF12, FF13 and 13-2.

as for CoD i've played A LOT of FPS's this generation but CoD still by far the best FPS yet! of course imo

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

Ratchet & Clank 1 - is now not that great. Its ok.

R&C 2 - Still Awesome

R&C 3 - Still Awesome

R&C TOD - Awesome

R&C ACIT - Awesome

 

I liked pretty much all traditional R&C games.

blackace

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

I've played enough FF games to know and have a bigger picture on how they all are.. i've played FF1,FF2, FF10, 10-2, FF12, FF13 and 13-2.

finalstar2007

You haven't played FFVI,VII or IX? :? No wonder you enjoy XIII

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

clr84651

Well PS2 does have the best game ever made on it

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

clr84651

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

clr84651

Finally someone who agrees with me!!! pretty much every game that had a sequel on PS3 ended up getting far better than the PS2 games.

RnC got so much better on PS3 ( Crack in Time ), God of War miles better than it was on PS2 ( God of War 3 ), Sly ( Sly 4 my god they did an amazing job on it, improved so much from the PS2 games ), etc list goes on

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I've played enough FF games to know and have a bigger picture on how they all are.. i've played FF1,FF2, FF10, 10-2, FF12, FF13 and 13-2.

seanmcloughlin

You haven't played FFVI,VII or IX? :? No wonder you enjoy XIII

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I've played enough FF games to know and have a bigger picture on how they all are.. i've played FF1,FF2, FF10, 10-2, FF12, FF13 and 13-2.

seanmcloughlin

You haven't played FFVI,VII or IX? :? No wonder you enjoy XIII

I didnt :(.. sadly i was introuced to FF pretty late so FFX was my very first FF

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

finalstar2007

Finally someone who agrees with me!!! pretty much every game that had a sequel on PS3 ended up getting far better than the PS2 games.

RnC got so much better on PS3 ( Crack in Time ), God of War miles better than it was on PS2 ( God of War 3 ), Sly ( Sly my god they did an amazing job on it, improved so much from the PS2 games ), etc list goes on

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

Too many people think games on PS2 were better than on PS3. It's a load of bull!

IcyFlamez96

Finally someone who agrees with me!!! pretty much every game that had a sequel on PS3 ended up getting far better than the PS2 games.

RnC got so much better on PS3 ( Crack in Time ), God of War miles better than it was on PS2 ( God of War 3 ), Sly ( Sly my god they did an amazing job on it, improved so much from the PS2 games ), etc list goes on

Crack in Time?

I can make a list sure:

• Graphics.. ok im not the one to like a game based on grapchis but Crack in Time man it had some pretty impressive graphics that at some points i would just stand still just to look at the views or how enemies attack/walk lol... the game was seriously beautiful
• Gameplay, Crack in Time i thought had the best controlls out of any other RnC game, the camera was quick and Ratchet movement were pretty quick ( my main complaint on rnC PS2 games is that Ratchet movement were too slow )... in Crack in Time it was perfect.
• Trophies.. i like them :oops:... made me play the game for months just to get 100% trophies lol
• Story, Crack in Time had some seriously good story i thought it was both interesting and emotional ( the ending part )
• Guns in Crack in Time had an interesting way for level ups and almost all guns were addictive to use.. for the first time i didnt end up using one weapon but i had fun using all of them!

[QUOTE="IcyFlamez96"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Finally someone who agrees with me!!! pretty much every game that had a sequel on PS3 ended up getting far better than the PS2 games.

RnC got so much better on PS3 ( Crack in Time ), God of War miles better than it was on PS2 ( God of War 3 ), Sly ( Sly my god they did an amazing job on it, improved so much from the PS2 games ), etc list goes on

finalstar2007

Crack in Time?

I can make a list sure:

• Graphics.. ok im not the one to like a game based on grapchis but Crack in Time man it had some pretty impressive graphics that at some points i would just stand still just to look at the views or how enemies attack/walk lol... the game was seriously beautiful
• Gameplay, Crack in Time i thought had the best controlls out of any other RnC game, the camera was quick and Ratchet movement were pretty quick ( my main complaint on rnC PS2 games is that Ratchet movement were too slow )... in Crack in Time it was perfect.
• Trophies.. i like them :oops:... made me play the game for months just to get 100% trophies lol
• Story, Crack in Time had some seriously good story i thought it was both interesting and emotional ( the ending part )
• Guns in Crack in Time had an interesting way for level ups and almost all guns were addictive to use.. for the first time i didnt end up using one weapon but i had fun using all of them!