What other racers have the customization of Forza?

either show us the footage of what GT5 showed or stop trying to decieve ppl into thinking they are the same. like i said to tobin, you guys really like to make people think something even though its not true. lets see it. Show us footage of a car landing into dirt road, kicking up all the dirt and making the car dirty in real time. Why not show us this? if im the one whos wrong, go ahead, prove it. Show us the video. lets see them being the same. but if you cant, then we know your real agenda. Smoke and Mirrors.stylesPS3

Heres the deal, We can't find a video of a car going offtrack in forza, that shows dirt. there. Your either gonna have to belive us, or continue to call us liars in denial. Now, any other one of the valid facts you keep ignoring about forza 3, I would be happy to provide proof for =)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Heres the deal, We can't find a video of a car going offtrack in forza, that shows dirt. there. Your either gonna have to belive us, or continue to call us liars in denial. Now, any other one of the valid facts you keep ignoring about forza 3, I would be happy to provide proof for =)

stylesPS3

I didn't deceive anyone. You said there is no real time dirt collection on the cars in Forza 2. I said you are wrong based on my experience with the game.

But, since you keep pestering me, I'm going to take it a step further.

Since you originally made the claim that Forza does not or will not have real time dirt collection on cars, I'm going to ask you to prove that. Remember, the person who makes the claim (IE: You) has to provide the proof.

Now let's see who's deceiving whom here. :wink:

Need for Speed: Underground series had some sort of Customization, but that was last gen.

either show us the footage of what GT5 showed or stop trying to decieve ppl into thinking they are the same. like i said to tobin, you guys really like to make people think something even though its not true. lets see it.

Show us footage of a car landing into dirt road, kicking up all the dirt and making the car dirty in real time. Why not show us this? if im the one whos wrong, go ahead, prove it. Show us the video. lets see them being the same. but if you cant, then we know your real agenda. Smoke and Mirrors.stylesPS3

Ok, hum, The car was dirty before the landing, That shure blows of your "Real time damage theory" The rally car was dirty all along.

Sounds like your the one doing the "smoke and mirrors" Sit here to tell us that the dirt is "real time" becouse it gets kicked up when the car lands, Tell us were are basically hypocrites by not providing this redicoulsy not worth getting proof, when in fact your "proof" is false, and you've been shovleing crap the whole time. Sure supports what I said about you having noclue what your talking about, and it makes it kinda funny that you said I was the one who was blowing things out of proportion for hope.

I keep hearing you say the footage was real time, so, any chance we could have true proof? Becouse I honestly have no clue there.

Funny thing is. a rallycar thats flying down a dirt road, should already be dirty, so if it takes a jump and land to get dirty, thats less realistic than it being a gradual "not real time"

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] It's not that I can't find it because I haven't tried. I can't be arsed to go through so much trouble for some fanboy on System Wars. The_Game21x

I didn't deceive anyone. You said there is no real time dirt collection on the cars in Forza 2. I said you are wrong based on my experience with the game.

But, since you keep pestering me, I'm going to take it a step further.

Since you originally made the claim that Forza does not or will not have real time dirt collection on cars, I'm going to ask you to prove that. Remember, the person who makes the claim (IE: You) has to provide the proof.

Now let's see who's deceiving whom here. :wink:

see how deceptions only last for so long? until your called out on it.stylesPS3

I didn't deceive anyone. You said there is no real time dirt collection on the cars in Forza 2. I said you are wrong based on my experience with the game.

But, since you keep pestering me, I'm going to take it a step further.

Since you originally made the claim that Forza does not or will not have real time dirt collection on cars, I'm going to ask you to prove that. Remember, the person who makes the claim (IE: You) has to provide the proof.

Now let's see who's deceiving whom here. :wink:

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Funny thing is. a rallycar thats flying down a dirt road, should already be dirty, so if it takes a jump and land to get dirty, thats less realistic than it being a gradual "not real time"

Tobin09

I was just wondering what other racers allow such freedom to have such personalized cars? I know GT does not offer it but was wondering if any other racers did? For example cars like these and these are just Forza 2 so Forza 3 will be even better.rybe1025

NASCAR 09 lets you import anything made in photoshop and NR2003 lets you make just about anything out there as well. However I am unsure which process is the least tedious.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] see how deceptions only last for so long? until your called out on it.stylesPS3

I didn't deceive anyone. You said there is no real time dirt collection on the cars in Forza 2. I said you are wrong based on my experience with the game.

But, since you keep pestering me, I'm going to take it a step further.

Since you originally made the claim that Forza does not or will not have real time dirt collection on cars, I'm going to ask you to prove that. Remember, the person who makes the claim (IE: You) has to provide the proof.

Now let's see who's deceiving whom here. :wink:

I didn't even have to claim Forza 2 had it. I don't have to prove anything since it was you who made the claim in the first place.

And I'm glad you're done with this. For the record, I knew you didn't have anything to back up your claims, I just wish you had admitted it sooner. :wink:

There's a hardcore Racing game over at iRacing.com that makes Forza and GT look like child's play, literally. It's the most in depth racing game to ever exist.

mismajor99

While that is true iracing is also VERY expensive. They have a monthly fee of $13 (or more if you don't get a longer subscription) and that only gives you like 5 cars and 5 tracks. You have to pay extra for more cars and tracks which of course you will want to. You get what you pay for I guess.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]either show us the footage of what GT5 showed or stop trying to decieve ppl into thinking they are the same. like i said to tobin, you guys really like to make people think something even though its not true. lets see it.

Show us footage of a car landing into dirt road, kicking up all the dirt and making the car dirty in real time. Why not show us this? if im the one whos wrong, go ahead, prove it. Show us the video. lets see them being the same. but if you cant, then we know your real agenda. Smoke and Mirrors.

Ok, hum, The car was dirty before the landing, That shure blows of your "Real time damage theory" The rally car was dirty all along.

Sounds like your the one doing the "smoke and mirrors" Sit here to tell us that the dirt is "real time" becouse it gets kicked up when the car lands, Tell us were are basically hypocrites by not providing this redicoulsy not worth getting proof, when in fact your "proof" is false, and you've been shovleing crap the whole time. Sure supports what I said about you having noclue what your talking about, and it makes it kinda funny that you said I was the one who was blowing things out of proportion for hope.

I keep hearing you say the footage was real time, so, any chance we could have true proof? Becouse I honestly have no clue there.

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] right, being in a cloud of dirt should make the car less dirty then when its not in one. Right on.stylesPS3

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I didn't deceive anyone. You said there is no real time dirt collection on the cars in Forza 2. I said you are wrong based on my experience with the game.

But, since you keep pestering me, I'm going to take it a step further.

Since you originally made the claim that Forza does not or will not have real time dirt collection on cars, I'm going to ask you to prove that. Remember, the person who makes the claim (IE: You) has to provide the proof.

Now let's see who's deceiving whom here. :wink:

I didn't even have to claim Forza 2 had it. I don't have to prove anything since it was you who made the claim in the first place.

And I'm glad you're done with this. For the record, I knew you didn't have anything to back up your claims, I just wish you had admitted it sooner. :wink:

[QUOTE="Tobin09"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]either show us the footage of what GT5 showed or stop trying to decieve ppl into thinking they are the same. like i said to tobin, you guys really like to make people think something even though its not true. lets see it.

Show us footage of a car landing into dirt road, kicking up all the dirt and making the car dirty in real time. Why not show us this? if im the one whos wrong, go ahead, prove it. Show us the video. lets see them being the same. but if you cant, then we know your real agenda. Smoke and Mirrors.stylesPS3

Ok, hum, The car was dirty before the landing, That shure blows of your "Real time damage theory" The rally car was dirty all along.

Sounds like your the one doing the "smoke and mirrors" Sit here to tell us that the dirt is "real time" becouse it gets kicked up when the car lands, Tell us were are basically hypocrites by not providing this redicoulsy not worth getting proof, when in fact your "proof" is false, and you've been shovleing crap the whole time. Sure supports what I said about you having noclue what your talking about, and it makes it kinda funny that you said I was the one who was blowing things out of proportion for hope.

I keep hearing you say the footage was real time, so, any chance we could have true proof? Becouse I honestly have no clue there.

no i made the claim GT5 has it, and said the e3 video backs it from the start. YOU SAID forza 2 has it, but came up with more excuses.stylesPS3

You said on the first page, and I quote...

in case anyone is curious: instead we know GT5 have for sure that forza 3 doesnt: 16 cars instead of 8 Nascar Rally F1 Cars Dynamic Weather Real Time Dirt kicking up to make cars dirty Damage and Landing Damage and some other things i dont remember at the moment.stylesPS3

Hmm...there it is, in plain sight. You said GT5 will have it and Forza 3 doesn't.

So what, you had a case of convenient amnesia? :lol:

Now, I want you to back up your claim. You said it, not me, so I'm not going to do any of the work for you.

That message only got like half of it weird.

Basically, I said that I thought you meant what you said, that the dust cloud had to make the car dirty upon landing.

But dirtycar+dust cloud, I can do that.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] no i made the claim GT5 has it, and said the e3 video backs it from the start. YOU SAID forza 2 has it, but came up with more excuses.The_Game21x

You said on the first page, and I quote...

in case anyone is curious: instead we know GT5 have for sure that forza 3 doesnt: 16 cars instead of 8 Nascar Rally F1 Cars Dynamic Weather Real Time Dirt kicking up to make cars dirty Damage and Landing Damage and some other things i dont remember at the moment.stylesPS3

Hmm...there it is, in plain sight. You said GT5 will have it and Forza 3 doesn't.

So what, you had a case of convenient amnesia? :lol:

Now, I want you to back up your claim. You said it, not me, so I'm not going to do any of the work for you.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] no i made the claim GT5 has it, and said the e3 video backs it from the start. YOU SAID forza 2 has it, but came up with more excuses.The_Game21x

You said on the first page, and I quote...

in case anyone is curious: instead we know GT5 have for sure that forza 3 doesnt: 16 cars instead of 8 Nascar Rally F1 Cars Dynamic Weather Real Time Dirt kicking up to make cars dirty Damage and Landing Damage and some other things i dont remember at the moment.stylesPS3

Hmm...there it is, in plain sight. You said GT5 will have it and Forza 3 doesn't.

So what, you had a case of convenient amnesia? :lol:

Now, I want you to back up your claim. You said it, not me, so I'm not going to do any of the work for you.

and until i see a video proving me wrong, i stick to it. once again, lets see the forza vid of it even coming close to what gt5 showed. its obvious you guys dont have it so like i said theres no point in arguing more. have a nice day/night.stylesPS3

And it's obvious that you can't back up your claims either.

Good day.

That message only got like half of it weird.

Basically, I said that I thought you meant what you said, that the dust cloud had to make the car dirty upon landing.

But dirtycar+dust cloud, I can do that.

Lol,styles doesn't have it either, The gt5 trailer shows nothing. I proved this with a picture. All the gt5 trailer shows is dirt upon cars and a dust cloud behind them, you were making up the real time crap. I'm not gonna find proof for someone that cant do the same. God, It's like he doesn't even read post. Forget this guy. I think this has all shown that my first claim was right. That hes a biased fanboy, that has no clue what hes talking about. I'm done here.

And also, if hes still gonna call us names for not holding up to our "proof" Thats just hypocritical, as he didn't hold up to his own, and did what he calls the "smoke and mirrors"

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Hmm...there it is, in plain sight. You said GT5 will have it and Forza 3 doesn't.

So what, you had a case of convenient amnesia? :lol:

Now, I want you to back up your claim. You said it, not me, so I'm not going to do any of the work for you.

And it's obvious that you can't back up your claims either.

Good day.

Need for speed has pretty cool customizations...

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] and until i see a video proving me wrong, i stick to it. once again, lets see the forza vid of it even coming close to what gt5 showed. its obvious you guys dont have it so like i said theres no point in arguing more. have a nice day/night.stylesPS3

And it's obvious that you can't back up your claims either.

Good day.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]either show us the footage of what GT5 showed or stop trying to decieve ppl into thinking they are the same. like i said to tobin, you guys really like to make people think something even though its not true. lets see it.

Show us footage of a car landing into dirt road, kicking up all the dirt and making the car dirty in real time. Why not show us this? if im the one whos wrong, go ahead, prove it. Show us the video. lets see them being the same. but if you cant, then we know your real agenda. Smoke and Mirrors.Tobin09

Ok, hum, The car was dirty before the landing, That shure blows of your "Real time damage theory" The rally car was dirty all along.

Sounds like your the one doing the "smoke and mirrors" Sit here to tell us that the dirt is "real time" becouse it gets kicked up when the car lands, Tell us were are basically hypocrites by not providing this redicoulsy not worth getting proof, when in fact your "proof" is false, and you've been shovleing crap the whole time. Sure supports what I said about you having noclue what your talking about, and it makes it kinda funny that you said I was the one who was blowing things out of proportion for hope.

I keep hearing you say the footage was real time, so, any chance we could have true proof? Becouse I honestly have no clue there.

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that GT5 will have this "real time dirt"

Not that it matters, the whole point is that hes wrong.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

And it's obvious that you can't back up your claims either.

Good day.

The_Game21x

He did not, I proved his proof was false, look above.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] dont mix me up with you, i already did. you didnt yet.Tobin09

He did not, I proved his proof was false, look above.

No, you "proved" that GT5 has real time dirt collection, not that Forza 2 didn't have it.The_Game21x

He did not, I proved his proof was false, look above.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Hmm...there it is, in plain sight. You said GT5 will have it and Forza 3 doesn't.

So what, you had a case of convenient amnesia? :lol:

Now, I want you to back up your claim. You said it, not me, so I'm not going to do any of the work for you.

Tobin09

you want to know why i know thats how it is?

Because thats how it was with prologue. and now that i got you saying, and i quote:

"Basically, I said that I thought you meant what you said, that the dust cloud had to make the car dirty upon landing. But dirtycar+dust cloud, I can do that."

now i know you were lying about forza 2 having it because your own words changed your original words. andGT5 will be > Prologue.

Have A Nice Day :)

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] and until i see a video proving me wrong, i stick to it. once again, lets see the forza vid of it even coming close to what gt5 showed. its obvious you guys dont have it so like i said theres no point in arguing more. have a nice day/night.stylesPS3

you want to know why i know thats how it is?

Because thats how it was with prologue. and now that i got you saying, and i quote:

"Basically, I said that I thought you meant what you said, that the dust cloud had to make the car dirty upon landing. But dirtycar+dust cloud, I can do that."

now i know you were lying about forza 2 having it because your own words changed your original words. andGT5 will be > Prologue.

Have A Nice Day :)

Alright, to end this whole, Forza doesn't have dirt collection crap...

Here's a picture of a Supra at the beginning of a race.

Not dirty at all.

Now, here's a picture of the same Supra after a few minutes of Racing.

Notice the dirt around the wheel wells and along the side of the car?

There you have it folks. I can't believe I went through the trouble to do this but I did. Now, I'm going to return to playing games instead of getting into petty arguments about them.

*claps*

I should have done the same, but I don't have the self controll to not argue with the ... errm.. special, becouse someone being soooo misinformed, and soooo wrong, and sooo skewed,drives me crazy.

=)

I prefer the look of the cars without custom paint. I care more about customizing under the hood.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Alright, to end this whole, Forza doesn't have dirt collection crap...

Here's a picture of a Supra at the beginning of a race.

Not dirty at all.

Now, here's a picture of the same Supra after a few minutes of Racing.

Notice the dirt around the wheel wells and along the side of the car?

There you have it folks. I can't believe I went through the trouble to do this but I did. Now, I'm going to return to playing games instead of getting into petty arguments about them.

Do you know how bad that looks, i mean its horrible. did someone photoshop that?

Now thats how its supposed to be done, hopefully they improve on Forza 2's "dirt" significantly. It'd be ashamed since mostly everything has been, its not a big deal.Its just nothing to boast about, you can't really call that "dirt" when it looks like that :|

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Alright, to end this whole, Forza doesn't have dirt collection crap...

Here's a picture of a Supra at the beginning of a race.

Not dirty at all.

Now, here's a picture of the same Supra after a few minutes of Racing.

Notice the dirt around the wheel wells and along the side of the car?

There you have it folks. I can't believe I went through the trouble to do this but I did. Now, I'm going to return to playing games instead of getting into petty arguments about them.

Tobin09

Do you know how bad that looks, i mean its horrible. did someone photoshop that?

Now thats how its supposed to be done, hopefully they improve on Forza 2's "dirt" significantly. It'd be ashamed since mostly everything has been, its not a big deal.Its just nothing to boast about, you can't really call that "dirt" when it looks like that :|

Modnation Racers kills Forza in terms of customization.

wackapacka

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]maybe GT5 might have it, they took notes on forza 3. in case anyone is curious: instead we know GT5 have for sure that forza 3 doesnt: 16 cars instead of 8 Nascar Rally F1 Cars Dynamic Weather Real Time Dirt kicking up to make cars dirty Damage and Landing Damage and some other things i dont remember at the moment.stylesPS3

Alright, just to add some more fuel to the fire...here's a couple of images I snagged from the GT5 trailer.

I know you've seen the one pic of the rally car covered in dirt. But I rememered some things from the trailer that make that pic a bit suspicious, as you'll see below.

Notice how there's not a speck of dirt on the side of the car or on the tires? It isn't the best picture since it's so zoomed out, but I have another.

No dirt on the tires or along the side of the cars in this picture either. Hmm...after all this talk of GT5 having real time dirt collection...they sure didn't show much of it.

So, that leads me to believe that the picture of the car sustaining damage whilst it was covered in dirt was CG and what you see above is actual real time gameplay. Don't think I'm trying to say it doesn't look amazing because it does, just trying to prove a point.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Alright, to end this whole, Forza doesn't have dirt collection crap...

Here's a picture of a Supra at the beginning of a race.

Not dirty at all.

Now, here's a picture of the same Supra after a few minutes of Racing.

Notice the dirt around the wheel wells and along the side of the car?

There you have it folks. I can't believe I went through the trouble to do this but I did. Now, I'm going to return to playing games instead of getting into petty arguments about them.

Do you know how bad that looks, i mean its horrible. did someone photoshop that?

Now thats how its supposed to be done, hopefully they improve on Forza 2's "dirt" significantly. It'd be ashamed since mostly everything has been, its not a big deal.Its just nothing to boast about, you can't really call that "dirt" when it looks like that :|

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]I was just asking if any other games offered the same customization as Forza so no need for the damage control. Oh and BTW the DEMOnstration of GT5 only scored 7.5. Meanwhile the Forza has more AAAs then GT already.

cainetao11

Hum, intresting. I never really bought the whole gameplay realtime footage thing, but you might be right.

*Not styles but up 2, the game*

Alright, just to add some more fuel to the fire...here's a couple of images I snagged from the GT5 trailer.

I know you've seen the one pic of the rally car covered in dirt. But I rememered some things from the trailer that make that pic a bit suspicious, as you'll see below.

Notice how there's not a speck of dirt on the side of the car or on the tires? It isn't the best picture since it's so zoomed out, but I have another.

No dirt on the tires or along the side of the cars in this picture either. Hmm...after all this talk of GT5 having real time dirt collection...they sure didn't show much of it.

So, that leads me to believe that the picture of the car sustaining damage whilst it was covered in dirt was CG and what you see above is actual real time gameplay. Don't think I'm trying to say it doesn't look amazing because it does, just trying to prove a point.

The_Game21x

Alright, just to add some more fuel to the fire...here's a couple of images I snagged from the GT5 trailer.

I know you've seen the one pic of the rally car covered in dirt. But I rememered some things from the trailer that make that pic a bit suspicious, as you'll see below.

Notice how there's not a speck of dirt on the side of the car or on the tires? It isn't the best picture since it's so zoomed out, but I have another.

No dirt on the tires or along the side of the cars in this picture either. Hmm...after all this talk of GT5 having real time dirt collection...they sure didn't show much of it.

So, that leads me to believe that the picture of the car sustaining damage whilst it was covered in dirt was CG and what you see above is actual real time gameplay. Don't think I'm trying to say it doesn't look amazing because it does, just trying to prove a point.

maybe the game is justnot perfect?