what's this, "DX12 will have a substantial effect on XB1"?

Both are dated and won't take full advantage of the recent progresses that have been made. OPENGL update is going to happen.

DX12 will help the xboxone. Will it put it beyond the ps4? No. Will it make vast improvements tech wise? no. It will do something more important than either of those two things. Make development easier for PC/Xboxone. Give us more games. That is what important. Games.

You don't buy a console for technology. Heck, the ps4 and xboxone are dated right off the back. It wasn't like last generation.

What you buy consoles for are the games. MS knows this. Phil and developers acknowledged what DX12 will do. I look forward to seeing more support and games. I look forward to windows 10 co-existence with PC and xboxone.

Quoted for truth.

In what fucking way does XBone feature HBM? Ya'll both are on some super crack.

Direct Access Memory? Oh, like how the CPU cannot reference the same memory addresses as the GPU because the XBone processor is not hUMA compliant like the PS4?

Data compression?? We're doing this?

Oh, and by the way, the XBone has 2 compute command processors /GPGPU ACE engine/ with at most 16 parallel compute queues... GPU cache bypass: nope.

What I can put together is that it is clear you are willing to make shit up after Lemmings on this board have spent the last two years swearing up and down that graphic power doesn't matter any more.

AMD Mantle can simulate multi-GPU or Crossfire on a single GPU.

I trust Phil over Greenturd anyday. I cant stand that guy.

http://simonstechblog.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/implementing-voxel-cone-tracing.html

"conservative rasterization" can be done via geometry shader.

@FoxbatAlpha: Why should Cows be afraid of DX12?

http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1.jpg

No matter the amount of updates, these specs are not changing.......Just carry on and pretend you don't care about power, this gen will be easier for you that way.

You don't get it when Microsoft was saying: "We customized EVERY part of the Xbox One"?

Lemmings waiting? There's a surprise.

@kuu2@FoxbatAIpha "Great software" isn't bailing out the Xbone's shit hardware. :)

No shit, it's a console, of course they customised it.

All of a sudden Xbox fans wish their consoles were more like PCs.. so much Windows 10 hype. The Xbox stuff going to PC does NOTHING for pc gamers, most of which bought windows. Looking forward to W10 for my PC because it should help my CPU performance in games. However this whole sales pitch has done nothing for PC gaming....

@Shewgenja: their eSRAM is High Bandwidth Memory

The MemoryManagement Unit lets the CPU/ GpU share the same virtual address space but use their own Memory so the CPU is never Required to take away memory and bandwidth from the GPU.

Yes you want data compressd and decompressed fast makes for better and more efficient streaming.

Thats the reason the Ps4 have to bypass the GPU cache because it dosent have Direct Memory Access ( memory and bandwidth goes to the system and the CPU first before the GPU gets its share on the Ps4.

You are still hanging on to ROPs? GTFO. You are one to sit here and pour over specs but fail to realize the fact that the Xbox has gotten better over the last gen as the PS4 is showing signs of framerate issues that will never be solved. The difference in games is marginal. If anything that is not good new for the PS4 and probably will get worse. Lol at the CPU frequency, Sony won't ever tell because it is clocked so low in that tiny pressure cooker.

If you are so interested in specs then read what they do. ROP counts won't be as important when DX12 is locked and loaded.

@foxhound_fox said:

@tymeservesfate said:

Aaron Greenberg, marketing team lead

My thoughts exactly. Desperate lem relying on the clown of the Xbone PR division is almost laughable. He's even being contrarian to sensitive lem OP's lord and savior Phel Spancey. I feel a coo coming on.

@misterpmedia said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@tymeservesfate said:

Aaron Greenberg, marketing team lead

My thoughts exactly. Desperate lem relying on the clown of the Xbone PR division is almost laughable. He's even being contrarian to sensitive lem OP's lord and savior Phel Spancey. I feel a coo coming on.

Nonsense. Arron Greenberg is a respectable individual. You might be confusing him with certain Sony hype masters who are a far different breed. Also, I realize the news of DX12 is hard for you but you have to move past your scared downplay and accept that they are serious about this.

@misterpmedia said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Arron Greenberg is a respectable individual.

As compared to Jack Tretton? Shuhei Yoshida? Mark Cerny? Kaz? Layden? All are PR scum. You can pick who you want to trust but none of Sonys has any trust worthy track record.

You know, I once was at a Embassy dinner with Arron Greenberg?

I can't make it any simpler for all DX11 users out there.

Never said anything about any of the Sony execs lol. That immense defence for the PR clown that is Greenbone. Thanks for the display of insecurity ;).

You didn't have to mention them. I just know that you are used to following pipe dreamers. That is all good sir.

You mean the most successful console to date? That's gotta sting after typing that out. Obviously MS didn't dream big enough, darling.

@misterpmedia said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

You didn't have to mention them. I just know that you are used to following pipe dreamers. That is all good sir.

You mean the most successful console to date? That's gotta sting after typing that out. Obviously MS didn't dream big enough, darling.

Yes I acknowledge it is the most successful console to date. That ship just sailed the other day leaving Sony behind too. On that ship was Win10, The Coud, DX12, Hololens, XBL and a bank roll.

Sony will be forever tombed in the past now. We will often reflect on those good times they brought us much like we talk about listening to music on cassette and having to ask a girl out in person. Oh we will remember the "Greatness" they once had. Will will also recall the date of their departure too.

Has it? Citation needed. lol at listing hoLOLens. Banking on that already I see, and after Kinect 2.0. Eesh. It seems the only thing going to be entombed into the past is a definitive Xbone division as we know it. Even I can acknowledge at the end of it all everything will be PC. Your side is just getting swallowed up whole by the dominate faction a lot sooner than the rest that's all. I can already feel the stretching of the lem mental gymnastics to combat this

Then I wish you the best!

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Then I wish you the best!

Less depictions of your inner mind. Even in gif form.

MS Fantardlem defending his clown.

Wake me up when you're in Gen 8. You're so far in the past I can smell the dust on you.

MS Fantards never disappoint.

@misterpmedia said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Then I wish you the best!

Less depictions of your inner mind. Even in gif form.

@kuu2 said:

Sony Fan talking about PR clowns. Sony Fan are the same fools that pumped up gems like "Emotion Engine", the "Cell" chip, and Saddam Husien was using a bunch of PS2s to develop nuclear weapons.

Sony Fan continue to be the clowns of SW.

MS Fantardlem defending his clown.

Wake me up when you're in Gen 8. You're so far in the past I can smell the dust on you.

MS Fantards never disappoint.

Someone pointing out the obvious really isn't defending me. Do you feel ganged up on Mr.Xpedia? I am sorry. I was trying to just give you some insight into the future of Sony falling asleep at the wheel.

Plus you think the PS4 having a slight resolution edge and a frame or 3 on somegames makes the Xbox ONE not a gen 8 contender? ROFL. What are you going to do when DX12 gets here? What will you do?

Fantardlem defending his clown, clown being Aaron Greenbone, not you LOL. Shitbat you jumped the gun so hard and it made you type two more lulzy worthy paras. Stay insecure.

edit: Wtf are you even going on about the bone not being a gen 8 console lol. Shitbat you need some coffee if you're going to spa. I was referring to his ancient references.

I have to call bullshit on this.

@FoxbatAlpha:

For PS4, that's wrong. PS4's APIs are similar to AMD's Mantle and it's lower level than PC's DirectX12.

@ronvalencia said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

For PS4, that's wrong. PS4's APIs are similar to AMD's Mantle and it's lower level than PC's DirectX12.

Which PS4 game demonstrates this?

@ttboy said:

@ronvalencia said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

For PS4, that's wrong. PS4's APIs are similar to AMD's Mantle and it's lower level than PC's DirectX12.

Which PS4 game demonstrates this?

EA DICE Frostbite 3 engine enabled games such as Battlefield 4, Dragon Age Inquisition and 'etc'.

http://gamingbolt.com/mantle-exposes-more-low-level-features-than-dx12-shares-many-rendering-codes-with-ps4xbox-one#vJ08Eor5oRo8c3U8.99

AMD Mantle Exposes More Low Level Features Than DX12, Shares Many Rendering Codes With PS4/Xbox One.

@ronvalencia said:

@ttboy said:

@ronvalencia said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

For PS4, that's wrong. PS4's APIs are similar to AMD's Mantle and it's lower level than PC's DirectX12.

Which PS4 game demonstrates this?

EA DICE Frostbite 3 engine enabled games such as Battlefield 4, Dragon Age Inquisition and 'etc'.

http://gamingbolt.com/mantle-exposes-more-low-level-features-than-dx12-shares-many-rendering-codes-with-ps4xbox-one#vJ08Eor5oRo8c3U8.99

AMD Mantle Exposes More Low Level Features Than DX12, Shares Many Rendering Codes With PS4/Xbox One.

Are you confusing the mantle PC version with the PS4 api? If in fact the PS4 API adopted Mantle we would see it in the games. The Dragon Age faceoff does not show this.

Wardell also recently stated that the PS4 could adopt Mantle which implies it does not currently have it.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I can't make it any simpler for all DX11 users out there.

You know that PS4 uses OpenGL and not DirectX right?

@jhcho2 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I can't make it any simpler for all DX11 users out there.

You know that PS4 uses OpenGL and not DirectX right?

Opengl has the same constraints on the main renderer.

http://gamingbolt.com/the-division-technical-director-directx-12-will-improve-performance-visuals-of-xbox-onepc-games

“DirectX 12 brings PC and Xbox development closer, which makes development easier and faster, allowing us to focus more on features,” Anders Holmquist, who is the Technical Director of The Division said to GamingBolt. He also revealed that it will improve the performance and visual quality even further. “It also lets us work closer to “the metal”, the actual hardware, which means we can push performance and visual quality even more."

There yah go. Ubisoft good enough for yah?

@jhcho2 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I can't make it any simpler for all DX11 users out there.

You know that PS4 uses OpenGL and not DirectX right?

I am aware of OpenGL. It isn't used all the time for PS4 games. DX11 is used in some cases.

@misterpmedia said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@tymeservesfate said:

Aaron Greenberg, marketing team lead

My thoughts exactly. Desperate lem relying on the clown of the Xbone PR division is almost laughable. He's even being contrarian to sensitive lem OP's lord and savior Phel Spancey. I feel a coo coming on.

here you go. Phil Spencer, Aaron Greenberg, and Ubisoft's tech dev re-enforcing the recent news. Only a fool would believe you two fools over them.

Phil Spencer - 1st link

Aaron Greenberg- second link

Ubisoft- 3rd link

ExploderMouse @ExploderMouse We knew what DX12 was doing when we built Xbox One

Dx12 going to effect x1 substantially? Or more PC @JustinAguiar Both, but devs have to make use of it.

http://gamingbolt.com/the-division-technical-director-directx-12-will-improve-performance-visuals-of-xbox-onepc-games

My last

post to you Media. Ur weird and i don't like you. Mingle with people that appreciate you, and thats not me. This ain't no playful cat n mouse game between us...u've been straight strange and awkward in our conversations. So take ur fruity ass on and keep me out of ur discussions. Thanks.

@jhcho2 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I can't make it any simpler for all DX11 users out there.

You know that PS4 uses OpenGL and not DirectX right?

PS4's native graphics API is not OpenGL.

http://www.videosomething.com/video/15621/frostbite-technical-director-on-ps4-api-ps4-api-vs-mantle-amp-ps3-spu-vs-ps4-ace/

@ttboy said:

@ronvalencia said:

@ttboy said:

@ronvalencia said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

For PS4, that's wrong. PS4's APIs are similar to AMD's Mantle and it's lower level than PC's DirectX12.

Which PS4 game demonstrates this?

EA DICE Frostbite 3 engine enabled games such as Battlefield 4, Dragon Age Inquisition and 'etc'.

http://gamingbolt.com/mantle-exposes-more-low-level-features-than-dx12-shares-many-rendering-codes-with-ps4xbox-one#vJ08Eor5oRo8c3U8.99

AMD Mantle Exposes More Low Level Features Than DX12, Shares Many Rendering Codes With PS4/Xbox One.

Are you confusing the mantle PC version with the PS4 api? If in fact the PS4 API adopted Mantle we would see it in the games. The Dragon Age faceoff does not show this.

Wardell also recently stated that the PS4 could adopt Mantle which implies it does not currently have it.

According to EA-DICE, PS4's API are similar to AMD's Mantle.

PS4's Dragon Age runs at 1920x1080p, while X1 runs at 1600x900p.

PS4's GPU is similar to R7-265 and powerful single thread PC CPUs such as Intel Core i7-4790K + DX11 workarounds (e.g. batching) hides most of these issues. PS4 has some lesser tablet class CPU.

AMD Mantle's importance comes into play with weaker single thread CPUs.

Notice Intel Core i7-4770 has smaller gain with AMD Mantle when compared to lesser CPUs.

My desktop PCs are equipped with Intel Core i7-4970K or Intel Core i7-4770K and AMD Mantle is nearly pointless for my PCs. AMD Mantle would be useful IF I crossfire both of my R9-290/R9-290X GPUs.

my setup is posted in the PC forum, cool your britches

It doesn't.

@daious: eSRAM is HBM made by they same people 1024 bit wide bus 200gb+ bandwidth for 1gb

IMO this guy nails it.

lmao Justin getting his cues from misterxmedia again.

His insider got Borderlands 3 wrong, what a surprise.

A fanboy doing desperate damage control after overhyping another red (green?) herring

IMO you're a moron

Lmfao so why did you base this whole topic around the biggest PR clown, who has recently usurped that other clown who hosted the Bone reveal. You could have rolled with Spancey instead. Now you're basically trying to save face and it's cute. This also won't be the last post you make to me, who the hell are you kidding? You're like anyone else who says that, comes crawling back because of your 'e-pride', haha.

With the flip and the flopping, who knows who to believe any more but you lems are gonna grasp at the straws in the barrel even if some of them are needles.

edit: Also what's with the mini pre-ejac meltdown in that last paragraph? Might have to brand you Chernobyllem. We hardly knew yee.

You lems sure have a lot of youtube lem whisperers[coined by the Asshat that is Kuu2]. _crapgamer_ on twitter

Well then dispute what the guy says... We all know you can't.

Where did he lie?

A mental midget like you calling me a moron... I shit more common sense then you will ever have.

Is he lying... or are dumb fucking fanboys that say Phil Spencer said DX12 WON'T help the X1... Lying?

Your choice.

We all know how you are at predicting stuff though. Don't we. :D