What should Zelda have to return it to its former glory iyo?

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

He wasnt in, but he was referenced towards the end. As for Zelda, I liked her, a very strong and indephendant character who was able to stand up and defend link against the bullies. Too bad she was ruined with the big reveal.

Zelda has never been this cheesy before.

Shinobishyguy

Yeah this was the cheesiest one yet IMO. I think the lack of interesting deep characters (only a select few) and the addition of Groose and even those dumb dragons :P (I hate the way they look) made it a bit more silly.

That game often tried too hard to be epic,

Twilight Princess was cheesy as well. But I do prefer SS's story to Twilight Princess's, light hearted works better than grimdark, but the best would be something in between, maybe light hearted on the surface, but with subtle dark and mature undertones.

The Wii-U is fully compatible with the Wii Motion+, but I would tend to agree that I'd like to see the tablet put to use, and that would make motion gameplay difficult..

PurpleMan5000

There are ways you can do it on the u-pad, but none I can think of come near the greatness of a wm+ Zelda.

For example, 100% touchscreen based? Already been done twice.

However there are other aspects I would love to see on a console Zelda for the Wii U pad, such as taking notes on the map. The ideal situtation for me would be if the game is based on wm+ but you also have the u-pad sitting in front of you for some kind of interactivity.

Wait what?

It's implied that Zelda HD will use wm+ enabled Wiimote + nunchuck, like SS. No u-pad at all.

SuperFlakeman

I think that's a huge shame. The Wiiu-pad could at least be a little more interesting but another Zelda with cel-shaded graphics on the Wiiu would be a huge disappointement.

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Wait what?

It's implied that Zelda HD will use wm+ enabled Wiimote + nunchuck, like SS. No u-pad at all.

JLF1MarkII

I think that's a huge shame. The Wiiu-pad could at least be a little more interesting but another Zelda with cel-shaded graphics on the Wiiu would be a huge disappointement.

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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Wait what?

It's implied that Zelda HD will use wm+ enabled Wiimote + nunchuck, like SS. No u-pad at all.

Shinobishyguy

I think that's a huge shame. The Wiiu-pad could at least be a little more interesting but another Zelda with cel-shaded graphics on the Wiiu would be a huge disappointement.

I would love to see a Galaxy 2 graphics style Zelda. How would you describe the artstyle in SMG anyway, what is that style called?

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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Wait what?

It's implied that Zelda HD will use wm+ enabled Wiimote + nunchuck, like SS. No u-pad at all.

Shinobishyguy

I think that's a huge shame. The Wiiu-pad could at least be a little more interesting but another Zelda with cel-shaded graphics on the Wiiu would be a huge disappointment.

Skyward Sword while beautiful and easy on the eyes was a little bland outside a few key characters and settings. Maybe some stronger colours and being in HD would lift it up to a more vibrant styIe so who knows?

I would love to see a Galaxy 2 graphics style Zelda. How would you describe the artstyle in SMG anyway, what is that style called?

SuperFlakeman

"Nintendo styIe" is the only thing that comes to mind :D

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Yeah this was the cheesiest one yet IMO. I think the lack of interesting deep characters (only a select few) and the addition of Groose and even those dumb dragons :P (I hate the way they look) made it a bit more silly.

Maroxad

That game often tried too hard to be epic,

Twilight Princess was cheesy as well. But I do prefer SS's story to Twilight Princess's, light hearted works better than grimdark, but the best would be something in between, maybe light hearted on the surface, but with subtle dark and mature undertones.

Sounds like you want OoT's story and feel ;). IMO it struck the perfect balance, as did WW. If I recall though, TP did it pretty well. I think SS is the worst one honestly.

PS - NO I do not want Galaxy 2 graphics in Zelda!

They just have to make an exact copy of Zelda OOT or WW, even MM would do

They must not do anything like Zelda TP or SS

They just have to make an exact copy of Zelda OOT or WW, even MM would do

They must not do anything like Zelda TP or SS

loosingENDS

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They just have to make an exact copy of Zelda OOT or WW, even MM would do

They must not do anything like Zelda TP or SS

PurpleMan5000

Sounds like you want OoT's story and feel ;). IMO it struck the perfect balance, as did WW. If I recall though, TP did it pretty well. I think SS is the worst one honestly.

PS - NO I do not want Galaxy 2 graphics in Zelda!

NaveedLife

Yoshi is not pleased. Look at how sharp, clean and colorful he looks. Can't wait for EAD Tokyo's next masterpiece :P

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They just have to make an exact copy of Zelda OOT or WW, even MM would do

They must not do anything like Zelda TP or SS

JLF1MarkII

Indeed, they must have let some Gears slip in there, because the game was far easier, more streamlined, had 1/10000 the appeal and epicness of OOT and was a very dull experience

Only the desert part felt genuigly good and up to OOT standard imo

I dont blame Nintnedo though, gaming was always going to reach a point of saturation, where most ideas will have been played and trying to do new things is not always easy or successfull

Same goes for the horrid FF13 and Square

The only company that did improve vastly upon the past is From Software, these guys are my favourite this gen by miles

Maybe CD PRoject too, Witcher 2 was amazing

I like how people criticize TP for being too easy when really all 3D Zelda games are very easy. I'd laugh if you could get a game over in any 3d Zelda game. The hardest one is definitely Skyward Sword and even then I never got a game over...or well, I probably would have with two of those imprisoned fights but those hardly count because those battles are horsesh*t, that plus I managed to reset before actually getting the game overs. >_>

I like how people criticize TP for being too easy when really all 3D Zelda games are very easy. I'd laugh if you could get a game over in any 3d Zelda game. The hardest one is definitely Skyward Sword and even then I never got a game over...or well, I probably would have with two of those imprisoned fights but those hardly count because those battles are horsesh*t, that plus I managed to reset before actually getting the game overs. >_>

DJ-Lafleur

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I like how people criticize TP for being too easy when really all 3D Zelda games are very easy. I'd laugh if you could get a game over in any 3d Zelda game. The hardest one is definitely Skyward Sword and even then I never got a game over...or well, I probably would have with two of those imprisoned fights but those hardly count because those battles are horsesh*t, that plus I managed to reset before actually getting the game overs. >_>

PurpleMan5000

I never tried to beat a Zelda with only 3 hearts so I wouldn't know.

I think the only Zelda games I could ever get a game over in now-a-days are the first two on the NES. I used to find the Oracle games and A Link to the Past decently challenging but I think I've played those games enough and mastered them.

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I like how people criticize TP for being too easy when really all 3D Zelda games are very easy. I'd laugh if you could get a game over in any 3d Zelda game. The hardest one is definitely Skyward Sword and even then I never got a game over...or well, I probably would have with two of those imprisoned fights but those hardly count because those battles are horsesh*t, that plus I managed to reset before actually getting the game overs. >_>

DJ-Lafleur

I never tried to beat a Zelda with only 3 hearts so I wouldn't know.

I think the only Zelda games I could ever get a game over in now-a-days are the first two on the NES. I used to find the Oracle games and A Link to the Past decently challenging but I think I've played those games enough and mastered them.

It needs to be unrecognizable. It needs to change the whole paradigm of what it means to be a Zelda game. Okami had the right idea.ActionRemix

Are you implying that you wouldn't mind the return of tingle?

Vaasman

Less padding. Skyward Sword's biggest issue(besides the controls, but eh I blame that on the Wii, not an issue with Wii U) is how PADDED that game is. The constant fetch quests in between dungeons was just awful. It's a waste of time. It's not fun. It's not well crafted. It's not interesting. It's not entertaining. It's not quality. It's wasting time before the real meat of the game which were the very good dungeons.

Stuff like the overworld being crap, combat being weak is also a major issue with Zelda, but one I can live with. I'm frankly sick of how the game wastes my time though. Skyward Sword improves tenfold if they flat out cut some of the content.

Exploration.

That's a bit it.

Zelda didn't lose it's glory.

Less padding. Skyward Sword's biggest issue(besides the controls, but eh I blame that on the Wii, not an issue with Wii U) is how PADDED that game is. The constant fetch quests in between dungeons was just awful. It's a waste of time. It's not fun. It's not well crafted. It's not interesting. It's not entertaining. It's not quality. It's wasting time before the real meat of the game which were the very good dungeons.

Stuff like the overworld being crap, combat being weak is also a major issue with Zelda, but one I can live with. I'm frankly sick of how the game wastes my time though. Skyward Sword improves tenfold if they flat out cut some of the content.

jg4xchamp

The time shifting minecart tunnels and the sand sea were incredible

Less padding. Skyward Sword's biggest issue(besides the controls, but eh I blame that on the Wii, not an issue with Wii U) is how PADDED that game is. The constant fetch quests in between dungeons was just awful.

jg4xchamp

Yes the game's story is one big fetch quest, but that doesn't bother me because the gameplay you call padding was the complete opposite of this.

It's a waste of time. It's not fun. It's not well crafted. It's not interesting. It's not entertaining. It's not quality. It's wasting time before the real meat of the game which were the very good dungeons.

jg4xchamp

The surface world stuff is some of the most amazing gameplay I've seen. The silent world, flooded faron woods, stealth part, kikwi hide and seek, finding the key parts, was fantastic.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Less padding. Skyward Sword's biggest issue(besides the controls, but eh I blame that on the Wii, not an issue with Wii U) is how PADDED that game is. The constant fetch quests in between dungeons was just awful. It's a waste of time. It's not fun. It's not well crafted. It's not interesting. It's not entertaining. It's not quality. It's wasting time before the real meat of the game which were the very good dungeons.

Stuff like the overworld being crap, combat being weak is also a major issue with Zelda, but one I can live with. I'm frankly sick of how the game wastes my time though. Skyward Sword improves tenfold if they flat out cut some of the content.

Shinobishyguy

The time shifting minecart tunnels and the sand sea were incredible

Yeah. Mine carts, lake floria's underwater section, the mini dungeons.. everything was simply amazing.

Zelda doesn't need to return to it's former glory. It needs to do something drastic that will change the Zelda formula. I just (literally, like ten minutes ago) finished Batman: Arkham City and think that Zelda could get some ideas from that game. The way you traverse the world, combat, item/gadget use and so on.

Skyward Sword is great and all, but in order to evolve Zelda further, a change is needed. Skyward Sworld did everything that you can do with the Zelda formula, but nothing else.

Skyward Sword is great and all, but in order to evolve Zelda further, a change is needed. Skyward Sworld did everything that you can do with the Zelda formula, but nothing else.

OniStrat

Your answer is to not make it a Zelda game?

What's the point in fundamentally changing the series? Wouldn't a new IP be better suited for that?

"Majora's Mask part II" or "Wind Waker 2" would be nice.

Wind Waker 2

nameless12345

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Wind Waker 2

PurpleMan5000

Yeah, but that's a handheld game.

the highest rated exclusive game and series in 2011 on metacritic so means better than Uncharted 3,Gears of War 3,Killzone 3,Littlebigplanet 2,Resistance 3 needs to return to its former glory???!!!

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Skyward Sword is great and all, but in order to evolve Zelda further, a change is needed. Skyward Sworld did everything that you can do with the Zelda formula, but nothing else.

SuperFlakeman

Your answer is to not make it a Zelda game?

What's the point in fundamentally changing the series? Wouldn't a new IP be better suited for that?

I think Skyward Sword's controls and level design minus the padding and a little more emphasis on story would be an excellent Zelda game.

Posted this already a ways back:

That there's even a huge debate as to whether Zelda needs some massive changes is evidence enough that it does. Like it or not, it's growing tiresome and people have some very valid complaints. Even Aonuma himself stated in an interview that he's been focusing more on implementing small changes on an established formula since he's been at the helm rather than trying to really evolve the series. I'll see if I can find the quote. When the designer says as much, what can be said? Even HE realizes it. I still hold out hope.

I can't find the quote but it was a fairly recent interview.

Posted this already a ways back:

That there's even a huge debate as to whether Zelda needs some massive changes is evidence enough that it does. Like it or not, it's growing tiresome and people have some very valid complaints. Even Aonuma himself stated in an interview that he's been focusing more on implementing small changes on an established formula since he's been at the helm rather than trying to really evolve the series. I'll see if I can find the quote. When the designer says as much, what can be said? Even HE realizes it. I still hold out hope.

I can't find the quote but it was a fairly recent interview.

MirkoS77

and watch, as soon as they make these "massive changes' people will be complaining about how it isn't zelda anymore

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Posted this already a ways back:

That there's even a huge debate as to whether Zelda needs some massive changes is evidence enough that it does. Like it or not, it's growing tiresome and people have some very valid complaints. Even Aonuma himself stated in an interview that he's been focusing more on implementing small changes on an established formula since he's been at the helm rather than trying to really evolve the series. I'll see if I can find the quote. When the designer says as much, what can be said? Even HE realizes it. I still hold out hope.

I can't find the quote but it was a fairly recent interview.

Shinobishyguy

I don't know, I think people would be surprised to find how much they could change it and still keep it Zelda. I don't think there'd be a huge outcry. Maybe though.

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and watch, as soon as they make these "massive changes' people will be complaining about how it isn't zelda anymore

freedomfreak

Oh man that made me laugh hard.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

and watch, as soon as they make these "massive changes' people will be complaining about how it isn't zelda anymore

freedomfreak

you know that this is exactly what will happen.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Posted this already a ways back:

That there's even a huge debate as to whether Zelda needs some massive changes is evidence enough that it does. Like it or not, it's growing tiresome and people have some very valid complaints. Even Aonuma himself stated in an interview that he's been focusing more on implementing small changes on an established formula since he's been at the helm rather than trying to really evolve the series. I'll see if I can find the quote. When the designer says as much, what can be said? Even HE realizes it. I still hold out hope.

I can't find the quote but it was a fairly recent interview.

MirkoS77

I don't know, I think people would be surprised to find how much they could change it and still keep it Zelda. I don't think there'd be a huge outcry. Maybe though.

watch as the next zelda shows the tablet being used, people start hating on the tablet and demanding skyward sword 2.

BrunoBRS

So you think Aonuma is bs'ing when he says they can't go back to button controls?

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watch as the next zelda shows the tablet being used, people start hating on the tablet and demanding skyward sword 2.

SuperFlakeman

So you think Aonuma is bs'ing when he says they can't go back to button controls?

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

watch as the next zelda shows the tablet being used, people start hating on the tablet and demanding skyward sword 2.

PurpleMan5000

So you think Aonuma is bs'ing when he says they can't go back to button controls?

I think if we go back and read all the interviews Aonuma has made we'll find that his hints are always true.

Remember when his son said "you have done boat and trains, what about airship" or something like that, which is when people started to talk about the next Zelda taking place in the sky.

Nintendo is secretive but they really mean what they state.

There are some moments you could easily misunderstand what they say like the time when Miyamoto said "notice Link doesn't have a sword" which was meant to hint that the storyline will be about the creation of the mastersword but everyone thought it meant he would have a different weapon or it would be based on magic or something lol. Other than these vague things, I don't remember any statement that turned out to be flat out false.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

watch as the next zelda shows the tablet being used, people start hating on the tablet and demanding skyward sword 2.

SuperFlakeman

So you think Aonuma is bs'ing when he says they can't go back to button controls?

I don't remember any statement that turned out to be flat out false.

SuperFlakeman