What's the beef with installations?

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

It's like load times, back in the day you wouldn't wait for a game to load and then the PS1 came along flourishing it's 3D technology, real voice overs and... loading times due to CD.

Everyone hated it for a while but it got cool and everyone just moved on.

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

You dont need to buy a bigger hd. The ones people have already is enough

My beef is that in most cases they are mandatory.

Optional installs are great, IMO. Mandatory installations are something that leave a terrible taste in my mouth.

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

ReverseCycology

You don't know that. All you've got is the GTA4 comparision. Where is the alternate MGS4 where you can compare? It is really in the developers hands how well the load times work, and how well the pop up is altered.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

therealmcc0y

You dont need to buy a bigger hd. The ones people have already is enough

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

But the bottom line is - it's not that big o' deal.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

carljohnson3456

But the bottom line is - it's not that big o' deal.

Not yet, but its not exactly a great precedence to set either.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

carljohnson3456

But the bottom line is - it's not that big o' deal.

For now, just wait.

You only have a limited amount of hard drive space (be it 20, 40, 60 or 80 gigs) and by the end of the generation you will have tons of games. Do you not want to use your hard drive for other things such as PSN downloads?

Also the 360 plays a lot of the same games and none of them need an installation

And another thing, alot of people say, "Ah, if the 360 has to use multiple discs that's not that big of a deal" but then they act like a 10 minute install is the worse thing in the world.

I dont mind installations myself. Even with GTA 4, my most anticipated game of all time, it didnt really bother me at all. I mean sure, I would have liked to go ahead and played the game, but I dont think it's a reason to not own a PS3 or even a reason to freak out about on System Wars... oh right, this is System Wars. Duh. No wonder installations are a "big deal". :lol:

My beef is that in most cases they are mandatory.

Optional installs are great, IMO. Mandatory installations are something that leave a terrible taste in my mouth.

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

My beef is that in most cases they are mandatory.

Optional installs are great, IMO. Mandatory installations are something that leave a terrible taste in my mouth.

PBSnipes

Thank you. That is all I am saying. Give the end user the choice, don't force them into something that they may not want.

You only have a limited amount of hard drive space (be it 20, 40, 60 or 80 gigs) and by the end of the generation you will have tons of games. Do you not want to use your hard drive for other things such as PSN downloads?

Also the 360 plays a lot of the same games and none of them need an installation

vicmackey39

You can delete game installations after you're done with a game, or you could just upgrade your HDD.

The 360 plays alot of the same game without the need of an installation probably because the HDD isnt standard for the 360. Devs like Rockstar have even mentioned how Microsoft needs to figure out a solution to the lack of HDD problem. His exact words were, "Our games arent getting any smaller".

If the 360 had HDD as standard, I bet there would be more installations.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

But the bottom line is - it's not that big o' deal.

For now, just wait.

Mark it down in System Wars history folks, Reverse told me to "Just Wait" :lol:

Why should I wait? I can see right now it's not that big 'o deal. Either upgrade your HDD or delete some stuff. If it comes to being a big deal that's the two solutions. How is that a big deal?

You only have a limited amount of hard drive space (be it 20, 40, 60 or 80 gigs) and by the end of the generation you will have tons of games. Do you not want to use your hard drive for other things such as PSN downloads?

Also the 360 plays a lot of the same games and none of them need an installation

vicmackey39

Bingo. A person could've bought a 20 gig PS3 and bought 5 games which happens to have the mandatory 5 gig installs. 5 X 5 = 25, the 20 gigs couldn't handle it.

And sure you could delete these installs after you're finish with the game, but the luxury of having a Console is you could always just pop in and play the game whenever you want, but thats not the case with the PS3, you have to do the installing process again.

You can delete game installations after you're done with a game, or you could just upgrade your HDD.

carljohnson3456

So your solution is spend more money on a hard drive or install your game every time you want to play it.

The 360 plays alot of the same game without the need of an installation probably because the HDD isnt standard for the 360. Devs like Rockstar have even mentioned how Microsoft needs to figure out a solution to the lack of HDD problem. His exact words were, "Our games arent getting any smaller".

If the 360 had HDD as standard, I bet there would be more installations.

carljohnson3456

But it doesn't and there wont. Devs can piss and moan all they want but in practical terms it means cows have to install games to play them and lemmings don't,and these are often the same games

I'm hearing a lot of talk about how Microsoft were stupid not to make the hard drive mandatory but as far asw i can tell it's cows that are getting done over

i don't like them .. they should be optional

i only have a 40gb hdd for my PS3 .. it'll fill up pretty fast, and i don't want to have to keep juggling with installs, because i play a lot of games, and keep switching between them a lot

also, it takes too much time .. prob less than 10 minutes each time, but that time would seem to go so slow during the install of a massive game like MGS4 or something .. it'll teach me patience though, i guess

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

You can delete game installations after you're done with a game, or you could just upgrade your HDD.

vicmackey39

So your solution is spend more money on a hard drive or install your game every time you want to play it.

The 360 plays alot of the same game without the need of an installation probably because the HDD isnt standard for the 360. Devs like Rockstar have even mentioned how Microsoft needs to figure out a solution to the lack of HDD problem. His exact words were, "Our games arent getting any smaller".

If the 360 had HDD as standard, I bet there would be more installations.

carljohnson3456

But it doesn't and there wont. Devs can piss and moan all they want but in practical terms it means cows have to install games to play them and lemmings don't,and these are often the same games

I'm hearing a lot of talk about how Microsoft were stupid not to make the hard drive mandatory but as far asw i can tell it's cows that are getting done over

Look, I'm not say it's a great, but I dont see the big deal. If it cuts down on load times, and apparently reduces pop-in, I'm fine with it. I guess that's just me, I have a 60 GB with 35 GB left, with 3 or 4 demos I can delete as well as tons of game trailers. I'm not hurting for HDD space, so I guess I dont see the big deal.

All I know is I'm not getting done over by anybody.

Since we're talking about the "solution" can be getting a bigger hard drive, I was wondering if this hard drive is good and compatible with the PS3.

500GB HDD for $80 after rebate

This install "problem" might not look like a big deal now, but it kinda just reminds me of people buying trucks and not worrying about gas prices. Look at those truck drivers now, most of them will be spending the holidays at home because of the redonkalous price of gas, ha.

Anyway, is that hard drive any good?

Look, I'm not say it's a great, but I dont see the big deal. If it cuts down on load times, and apparently reduces pop-in, I'm fine with it. I guess that's just me, I have a 60 GB with 35 GB left, with 3 or 4 demos I can delete as well as tons of game trailers. I'm not hurting for HDD space, so I guess I dont see the big deal.

All I know is I'm not getting done over by anybody.

carljohnson3456

It's a big deal because Sony's competitor is managing the same level of quality in their releases without the need for an additional hardrive or any sort of installation.

You can't just look at hings in a vacuum and say to yourself that "it's all good". Cows should not be happy about this just as lemmings should not be happy about paying 50 bucks a year for online gaming

you're a conhsumer not KAz Hirai

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

Look, I'm not say it's a great, but I dont see the big deal. If it cuts down on load times, and apparently reduces pop-in, I'm fine with it. I guess that's just me, I have a 60 GB with 35 GB left, with 3 or 4 demos I can delete as well as tons of game trailers. I'm not hurting for HDD space, so I guess I dont see the big deal.

All I know is I'm not getting done over by anybody.

vicmackey39

It's a big deal because Sony's competitor is managing the same level of quality in their releases without the need for an additional hardrive or any sort of installation.

You can't just look at hings in a vacuum and say to yourself that "it's all good". Cows should not be happy about this just as lemmings should not be happy about paying 50 bucks a year for online gaming

you're a conhsumer not KAz Hirai

Dont tell me I'm a consumer and not Kaz, I'm fully aware. Is installations costing me anything? No. Is it affecting me? No. You've called the PS3 a crap console so I'm not shocked you're sitting here trying to tell me I shouldnt be happy about it. I'm not happy about it by any means, but I'm not upset about it like you and Reverse would have me beleive I should. You all can speak for the entire PS3 20 GB community but it's not affecting you so why do you care so much? Why does Reverse? Maybe because you're both lemmings?

Dont act like I'm blind, I own a 360 too and actually prefer the PS3 because I am a consumer, not Bill Gates. My 360 has died on me twice and like you said, paying for online is ridiculous. Yet I get called a fanboy because the 360 has turned me off for those two reasons. You could have probably even called me a lemming when I first got a 360, because I was all about it. Funny you and Reverse never come in here and complain about the failure rates or (well you for the first time) about Live's fee, but constantly bash the PS3 for stuff like mandatory installs. Go figure that.

i think its so funny that 10min install takes forever but waiting over a month to get your RROD xbox doesnt bother anyonebayareahusla

i think its so funny that 10min install takes forever but waiting over a month to get your RROD xbox doesnt bother anyonebayareahusla

Haven't heard a rrod bash lately, I guess it's a slow day today, anyway, the problem with the install is not just the time of installing it, it's the space wasted and the hassle to delete it and re-installing the game everytime you want to play the game, and also these "improvements" are not that big of a jump.

i think its so funny that 10min install takes forever but waiting over a month to get your RROD xbox doesnt bother anyonebayareahusla

Tell me about it, I just got RROD for the third time. It's FAR worse than something minor like mandatory installations. Typical of System Wars though, making a mountain out of a molehill.

i had the RROD twice before i sold it and i do feel sorry for the guy i sold it tobayareahusla

:lol: Me and Floppy was talking about the same thing the other day, because I said I'm thinking about selling my 360 but I would feel bad for the person who bought it, lol.

My beef is that in most cases they are mandatory.

Optional installs are great, IMO. Mandatory installations are something that leave a terrible taste in my mouth.

SpruceCaboose

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

It's like load times, back in the day you wouldn't wait for a game to load and then the PS1 came along flourishing it's 3D technology, real voice overs and... loading times due to CD.

Everyone hated it for a while but it got cool and everyone just moved on.

thrones

For one the Sega CD was the first CD base console, not the PS1. Second, load times were never cool, I dont know where you came up with that. Ever since CD console came out NO ONE likes load times, Sony found away to get around load times and people still complain about it, mainly only the 360 fans complain about it because most PS3 fans dont have a problem with it. I guess you cant make everybody happy.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

The_Crucible

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

Dude they could still make the games without installations they just do it mainly to reduce load times. Anybody remember how some of the games at the beginning of the PS3's life cycle without installs took forever to load? Not Reverse, because either he's never played those games or doesnt have a PS3.

The games can be played without the installs, it just benefits to install. Faster load times, less pop-ins.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

carljohnson3456

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

Dude they could still make the games without installations they just do it mainly to reduce load times. Anybody remember how some of the games at the beginning of the PS3's life cycle without installs took forever to load? Not Reverse, because either he's never played those games or doesnt have a PS3.

The games can be played without the installs, it just benefits to install. Faster load times, less pop-ins.

Then why are they mandatory?

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

Dude they could still make the games without installations they just do it mainly to reduce load times. Anybody remember how some of the games at the beginning of the PS3's life cycle without installs took forever to load? Not Reverse, because either he's never played those games or doesnt have a PS3.

The games can be played without the installs, it just benefits to install. Faster load times, less pop-ins.

Then why are they mandatory?

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I was meaning theoretically... theoretically, the devs could make the games without mandatory installs.

I was thinking "theoretically" the same way you were thinking "theoretically" that the PS3 couldnt play these games without an HDD... well, every PS3 has an HDD, so it was a moot point.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

Whats your point, without a hard drive you cant get online with Burnout on the 360.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Here's the thing, these installs only reduce like 3 to 5 seconds of load times, and reduce like 2 to 4 pop ins. I don't think it's worth it at all. I mean sure you could buy a bigger hard drive for cheap but come on only people in these forums will actually do that.

The main draw for video gaming Consoles is that it gave you the convenience that the PC might not. The PS3 might even make console gamers into PC gamers now, since they're getting use to doing the things you could do with a PC with their PS3.

ReverseCycology

Consoles are STILL, even with installs, more convenient for the masses than PC's. ANY PS3 owner can play ANY PS3 game. No one without HDD. No one without the right graphics card. No one with too slow of a processor. If you own a PS3, you can play the game. End of story.

I think the mandatory part of it is what people dislike. That I agree with.

Thats the thing, if the PS3 didn't have a HDD, then no one can play games with the mandatory installs.

So you can't play the game, not end of story.

Whats your point, without a hard drive you cant get online with Burnout on the 360.

I mean i own a ps3 and a 360 and as much as i love throwing in a game and being able to play it the installations arn't so bad for ps3, i mean if it means making the game run smoother, have more stability and make it an overall better expierience i don't see the problem. I mean why do people diss it so much?Animal-Mother

Actually, it isn't being dissed nearly as much as it was. I guess for teh MGS4, a mandatory install is fine, but not for other games...I had previously read NOTHING but complaints on this, then people find out there is a mandatory install for MGS4, and only a few complaints, and then a bunch of damage control from cows saying that it is fine because it is MGS4.