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#51 fabz_95
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I don't hate it. I've always disliked 3D because of the glasses, I already wear glasses making the 3D glasses very uncomfortable. I think the 3DS is fantastic though.
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#52 mojito1988
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I don't hate it. I've always disliked 3D because of the glasses, I already wear glasses making the 3D glasses very uncomfortable. I think the 3DS is fantastic though.fabz_95

This. See no one hates 3d but people want value for their money and they dont want to wear glasses and gobuy new Tvs for it. The 3ds ate Sonys lunch with this one bigtime.

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#53 donalbane
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I want a 3DTV, but people that don't complain about the glasses (especially people that already wear glasses), the price, and the lack of content. These are all reasonable complaints, but man... I'm a sucker for new technology.
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#54 WilliamRLBaker
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1.red and blue, polarized, shutter, no glasses needed tvs I saw at a trade show last year the first prototype generation's....ALL gave me headaches and made me physically ill.

2.what I have seen didn't impress me, Let alone that movie makers seem to do all these in your face useless scenes of characters doing things in a certain way so as to put them selves in a jump or turn or such so its comming towards the camera doesn't impressed me.
All Pseudo 3d really does is make certain parts of the scene seem like they are foreground and background...then you have the fact stuff in the background must be blurry for being the fact its in the background...which totally ruins the fact I have a 1080p tv... I got a high resolution tv cause every thing would be brought into greater detail even stuff far away Pseudo 3d negates this except for foreground imagry.

Nothing I have seen really has shown it will be any different for video games.

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#55 incred_davis
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iam missing about 30 percent of my vision in my left eye. not enough to hamper my regular everyday vision (i can see alright, for games and driving and such)....so needless to say 3d doesnt work. my eyes and brain arent able to mix the images in my head correctly given the fact that i have a partial blind area. thus making 3d obsolete for me. watching 3d is actually quite weird when your brain only displays half of an image in one eye.

so if 3d becomes the way of the future ill be stuck gaming on old consoles and old tvs.

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#56 djsifer01
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Nothing other than the fact you need a 2000 dollar TV to play them on. I already spent 2300 on my TV a few years ago, not going to do it again for several years.
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#57 Lable1985
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[QUOTE="Lable1985"][QUOTE="bsman00"] IT costs to much! mojito1988

Maby if your poor. Heck I could afford a 600$ ps3(when it came out), and a 50 inch 1080p hdtv on the same day, and was still able to pay the 700$ rent the next day. Personally I'm gonna buy a 3d tv when move comes out.

Poor? this is really funny you think that everyone that does not feel like shelling out $200+ to play a 2d videogame must be poor? Wow thats interesting.

lol, I'm pretty sure most people couldn't shell out 5000$ for the 3D tv I'm gonna buy.
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#58 Vinegar_Strokes
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hmm, one more thing, why do people complain about the glasses?Lable1985
maybe because there £60 A PAIR!

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#59 Riverwolf007
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all i can tell you is to read the reviews before putting up the money for a 3d tv. i love the sony bravias but they are getting trounced in the reviews and are currently the ones to stay away from (when it comes to 3d)on all the hdtv review websites.

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[QUOTE="fabz_95"]I don't hate it. I've always disliked 3D because of the glasses, I already wear glasses making the 3D glasses very uncomfortable. I think the 3DS is fantastic though.mojito1988

This. See no one hates 3d but people want value for their money and they dont want to wear glasses and gobuy new Tvs for it. The 3ds ate Sonys lunch with this one bigtime.

Not really. I mean, I'm not a fan either way, since no form of steroscopic 3d will work particularly well for me, but I still wouldn't say that 3ds "ate Sonys lunch" as you put it. They fill completely different purposes. How is the 3ds going to help someone that wants to watch movies in 3d? Or play games (that aren't ports of last gen games like MGS3) on a screen bigger than 3 inches? There's a reason people go to the big imax theaters for 3d movies: it's because they're more impressive on a big screen. Stands to reason 3d gaming on a 50 inch screen would be more impressive than on a 3 inch handheld, as well. As I said, neither one is particular worth anything to me, but if I could view stereoscopic 3d, I'd probably prefer it to big big and impressive. I just don't see the point on a handheld.

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#61 oajlu
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cuz it's pricy for its value, and ppl cant afford it.

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#62 GreyFoXX4
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The average person just is not ready to pay $2000 to play killzone in 3d.

mojito1988
Average people are paying that much everyday for a normal Hdtv, so why not just grab a 3d one? Also I'll be in the market for a new tv in about a year, so I'm very excited to look forward to gaming in 3d
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#63 GreyFoXX4
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cuz it's pricy for its value, and ppl cant afford it.

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Don't care if you can't but only if I can afford it.
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#64 Supabul
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cuz it's pricy for its value, and ppl cant afford it.

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I know right, a $2500 3D TV, and for watching movies with the family in 3D, your going to need 3 or 4 pairs off glasses, and there $130, and do you really think young kids are going to be careful with the expensive 3D glasses, I wonder could you use the cheap ones they hand out at the cinema
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#65 yellonet
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Its come to my attention that alot of hardcore gamers seem to hate the idea of 3D gaming, and revile it as a joke, and as a gimmick. What I wanna know is whats to hate about it, and whats to love, or even expect of it? I as an open minded individual can always see the potential in just about everything(excluding handheld 3d of course, but thats an entire subject entirely) and I see alot of cool, and expressional way to immerse we as gamers deeper into the games built around the technology.

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What's to hate? Nothing except for people that just hate change whether it's good or not. Or they hate it because they believe it's just a gimmick and obviously don't understand what it does for gaming.

What's to love? 3D screens makes it much easier to navigate in a 3D environment as you can judge depth and height much easier than on a 2D screen. Anyone that has played a 3D platform game knows that it can be difficult to jump just right or see exactly where in 3D space an object is relative to your game character. Also the games utilizing the 3D effects will give literally add another dimension to the game experience.

3D screens are compared to regular screens or tv (including HD) what analog control was compared to digital control.

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#66 Lable1985
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all i can tell you is to read the reviews before putting up the money for a 3d tv. i love the sony bravias but they are getting trounced in the reviews and are currently the ones to stay away from (when it comes to 3d)on all the hdtv review websites.

Riverwolf007
Ok fair enough. What's to hate about the concept?
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#67 oajlu
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[QUOTE="mojito1988"]

The average person just is not ready to pay $2000 to play killzone in 3d.

GreyFoXX4

Average people are paying that much everyday for a normal Hdtv, so why not just grab a 3d one? Also I'll be in the market for a new tv in about a year, so I'm very excited to look forward to gaming in 3d

lol @ your future buying plan, an year from now, ha, you are the 1st person i know who plan to buy a TV next year, ppl usually dont plan to buy a new TV For "next year", if they want a TV, they will get it "now". since you sounds like you are so rich, why dont you get a 3D TV and a super high speed HDMI cable now?

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#68 HavocV3
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I'd try 3d if it didn't have glasses.

as in justifying a purchase or something.....but I'd still dislike it if glassesless 3d wasn't affordable.

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#69 Lable1985
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I'd try 3d if it didn't have glasses.

as in justifying a purchase or something.....but I'd still dislike it if glassesless 3d wasn't affordable.

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idk, I don't get how 3D works without glasses.
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#70 HavocV3
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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

I'd try 3d if it didn't have glasses.

as in justifying a purchase or something.....but I'd still dislike it if glassesless 3d wasn't affordable.

Lable1985

idk, I don't get how 3D works without glasses.

the angle and thickness of the lens/screen.

you might be a little more limited in how you have to sit in front of the TV, but that could be adjusted or improved upon.

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#71 Raging_Nebula
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Its come to my attention that a lot of hardcore gamers seem to hate the idea of 3D gaming, and revile it as a joke, and as a gimmick. What I wanna know is whats to hate about it, and whats to love, or even expect of it? I as an open minded individual can always see the potential in just about everything(excluding hand held 3d of course, but that's an entire subject entirely) and I see a lot of cool, and expressional way to immerse we as gamers deeper into the games built around the technology.

Lable1985
If you like wearing 3D glasses or wasting money on a non-mainstream televisions, be my guest.
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#72 slipknot0129
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it halves the graphics of a game.

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#73 ubpoker123
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If one can't afford it or if one thinks its wasted Time Energy or Money. 3D was bound to happen with gaming no matter what, and even if it doesn't prove to be successful the first time, it will come back.
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#74 cametall
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The $$$ is what I hate. Though I am stoked for the 3DS.
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#75 GunSmith1_basic
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I can see 3D as an evolution in that right now our entertainment centers have evolved to always add to the experience. We want crisper visuals and also a multi-speaker audio system for 3D sound. Having a 3D picture can add to the immersion further. Right now this modern form of 3D is in the growing stage and so it's kind of a gimmick. It has interface problems like annoying glasses and it can cause nausia and irritation for a large portion of the audience. It's also way too expensive and can never be fully realized at that price.
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#76 Ringx55
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The "Jump out of the screen tons" is a gimmick... But when it feels like you're in that world I beileve it's a new form of technology and a awesome one at that.
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#77 RadecSupreme
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The only thing I hate about 3D is the price.

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#78 RadecSupreme
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The "Jump out of the screen tons" is a gimmick... But when it feels like you're in that world I beileve it's a new form of technology and a awesome one at that.Ringx55

Virtual Reality?

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#79 Ringx55
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[QUOTE="cametall"]The $$$ is what I hate. Though I am stoked for the 3DS.

It was the same for HDTV's when it started out... Give it a couple years...
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#80 Lable1985
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The "Jump out of the screen tons" is a gimmick... But when it feels like you're in that world I beileve it's a new form of technology and a awesome one at that.Ringx55
This isn't the 50's form of 3D. I' mean many 3D movies have been more than the "jump out of the screen" Just look at how Avitar used 3D(Which was the only good part of the movie) It used 3D to express its beautiful environments. 3D has been used right, and I'm pretty sure devs are building there 3D games around what made it work in the first place.
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#81 Zanoh
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I hate the movie and television industry's idea of a forced mandate on expensive 3DHDTVs and a peripheral (glasses) to experience it.... which I already have a pair of glasses and I don't need another set just to be immersed. Works like a charm though.

I applaud Nintendo's 3D attempt as an optional feature. Because it gets rid of the glasses issue and it works like a charm.

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#82 AdmiralBison
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I think 3DTV from the sounds of it is great.

I havn't tried it out myself but lot of articles mention the experience is pretty impressive.

Will have to save up for a later generation 3DTV set.

I'm a technophile- but sometimes I have problems catching up with a lot of new devices and technology these days but in a good way.

I just recently got my Ipad

will upgrade to an iPhone 04

get the Xbox360 slim

Kinect

Move

(paying off a 8 core Mac Pro)

want to get a Emperror computer chair

a Ninendo 3DS

gained interest in Microsoft's research and development in 3D.

learning VMWare

waiting for flying Cars and holograms to make their debut.........

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#83 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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HDTVs JUST got affordable, now they want us to buy 3D TVs. Performance takes a hit (devs need double the framerate than they would need usually). Need ridiculous and expensive glasses.
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#84 hakanakumono
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The 3D effect is wasteful and silly. And it's not nice on the eyes.

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#85 aznfool07
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Its a matter of hating things you can't have. 3DTVs are way too expensive and the companies are trying to shove it in our faces. :P

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Same for HDTVs and Blurays back then.
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I think that 3D really doesn't enhances the gaming experience in the same way as going from stereo audio to 5.1 surround or better. In fact I think that in some games -online shooters, specifically- the perception is worse and reduces your chances to detect potential foes.

3D gaming has other disadvantages, also: is expensive, and in monitor displays the 120 Hz technology can only be achieved in LCDs with TN panels, which are a lot worse in image quality than the ones with SIPS and MVA panels (TN only uses 6 bit per color channel as opposite to the 8 or 10 bit in SIPS, the contrast and view angles are much worse, etc.).

This is why I'm not excited about 3D gaming.

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What about oled tv's? I mean they aren't really being sold yet but they should be super cheap and i don't think they have a real Hz limit.
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#88 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Ondoval"]

I think that 3D really doesn't enhances the gaming experience in the same way as going from stereo audio to 5.1 surround or better. In fact I think that in some games -online shooters, specifically- the perception is worse and reduces your chances to detect potential foes.

3D gaming has other disadvantages, also: is expensive, and in monitor displays the 120 Hz technology can only be achieved in LCDs with TN panels, which are a lot worse in image quality than the ones with SIPS and MVA panels (TN only uses 6 bit per color channel as opposite to the 8 or 10 bit in SIPS, the contrast and view angles are much worse, etc.).

This is why I'm not excited about 3D gaming.

KungfuKitten
What about oled tv's? I mean they aren't really being sold yet but they should be super cheap and i don't think they have a real Hz limit.

IINM OLEDs still have an issue with working life, especially in the blues.
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Well, I read that the 3D HDTV's aren't that great cause you have to have a perfect view angle and the correct distance to get proper effects. I never watch my TV or play games at the same position every time, I tend to lean to the left, right, back or forward. 3D effects also tend to cause extra strain on the eyes so that's always a bad thing.
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#91 Senor_Kami
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For some reason a lot of the gaming press loathes the concept of 3D. I listen to a lot of podcasts and visit many sites and there seems to be a large number of people under the impression that 3D must ruin games. It can never be good and it will never be good. If you add 3D to a game, it is a bad game by default.

I never understood that line of thinking. If you could overlook a vista in Uncharted 2 and there was actual depth to the image, how would that ruin the experience?

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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Ondoval"]

I think that 3D really doesn't enhances the gaming experience in the same way as going from stereo audio to 5.1 surround or better. In fact I think that in some games -online shooters, specifically- the perception is worse and reduces your chances to detect potential foes.

3D gaming has other disadvantages, also: is expensive, and in monitor displays the 120 Hz technology can only be achieved in LCDs with TN panels, which are a lot worse in image quality than the ones with SIPS and MVA panels (TN only uses 6 bit per color channel as opposite to the 8 or 10 bit in SIPS, the contrast and view angles are much worse, etc.).

This is why I'm not excited about 3D gaming.

HuusAsking
What about oled tv's? I mean they aren't really being sold yet but they should be super cheap and i don't think they have a real Hz limit.

IINM OLEDs still have an issue with working life, especially in the blues.

What do You mean with working life? Like how long it still functions properly? Sorry my english isn't that good but with my limited knowledge i can't determine what the blues mean either, so it's kind of impossible for me to understand what You said.
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#93 lazerface216
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3d gaming will fail (not referring to the 3ds). it may be cool for the first half hour or so but nobody is going to wear 3d glasses for a 6 hour gaming session.

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#94 drochnathair
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I can only speak for myself here, but it makes me nauseated. When I went to see Alice in Wonderland with my wife and her little sister, there were certain points where I had close my eyes to get a grip. I don't care about it one way or another when it comes to gaming, but if it becomes industry standard or mandatory for games, I will probably be done gaming. Not because I necessarily hate it, but just because I physically can't handle it.

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other than the cool effect, what does 3d bring to gaming that will fundamentally change the way we play? It seems like nothing more than a visual enhancement. HDTV's were a huge step in quality improvement, The jump from SD to HD was a big one. Of course it is not necissary to enjoy games in HD, but graphics do play a big role in immersing players and helping to visually tell a story that SD tv could not do from lack of quality images. Now the jimp from HD to 3D is not as big as SD to HD. In fact current 3D games look wrose than regular HD games. a good percentage of population cant see 3D effect, or many get headaches from it.

Sure 3D may be a nice option, but b/c it doesnt alter game mechanics it really is just a gimmick. Its disturbing to see 3D being the main focus point of a game instead of the gameplay mechanics it offers.

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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] What about oled tv's? I mean they aren't really being sold yet but they should be super cheap and i don't think they have a real Hz limit.

IINM OLEDs still have an issue with working life, especially in the blues.

What do You mean with working life? Like how long it still functions properly? Sorry my english isn't that good but with my limited knowledge i can't determine what the blues mean either, so it's kind of impossible for me to understand what You said.

Organic LEDs possess an issue in that they can only stay lit for so long before they deteriorate and start to fade (they can no longer keep up the brightness). Currently, this problem occurs after around 14,000 hours of working life, and the problem tends to emerge first in the blue OLEDs rather than the red or green ones.
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#97 HuusAsking
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other than the cool effect, what does 3d bring to gaming that will fundamentally change the way we play? It seems like nothing more than a visual enhancement. HDTV's were a huge step in quality improvement, The jump from SD to HD was a big one. Of course it is not necissary to enjoy games in HD, but graphics do play a big role in immersing players and helping to visually tell a story that SD tv could not do from lack of quality images. Now the jimp from HD to 3D is not as big as SD to HD. In fact current 3D games look wrose than regular HD games. a good percentage of population cant see 3D effect, or many get headaches from it.

Sure 3D may be a nice option, but b/c it doesnt alter game mechanics it really is just a gimmick. Its disturbing to see 3D being the main focus point of a game instead of the gameplay mechanics it offers.

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It could alter game mechanics if game designers put depth to use. For example, optical illusions could need 3D to be penetrated. Or 3D may be needed to distinguish between a small but near target and a large but distant target.
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#98 boyinfridge
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]As much as hardcore gamers like to pretend they embrace new things and change, constantly complaining about a supposed lack of new IPs, they actually hate change. They whine about 3d. They whine about the new motion based peripherals even though they do not have to buy them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 3d so long as it remains and option and not a requirement for the bulk of releases. Gamers just like to complain about everything.Vinegar_Strokes

Im no luddite, i would LOVE all my games to be in glorious 3D. i f'ing loved the 3D in Avatar (even though the film was guff). But what im not doing is spending over £1000 on a new TV and £150 on a few sets of 3D glasses. In 6 - 7 years when i replace that 46" HDTV i bought last year then sign me up.

bloody hell mate I think you mean over £2000 for a 3D tv but my problem is the Samsungs dont come with any glasses and cost £70 for a pair or the Panny's come with glasses but only two and there are 5 of us in my house, not to mention all the exclusive 3D blu-rays that come with each brands players and not available anywhere in stores.

although we do have a dedicated HD3D TV channel in the UK there doesnt seem much content available, so I think Ill wait for a bit and see how all this tech pans out.

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#99 Riverwolf007
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all i can tell you is to read the reviews before putting up the money for a 3d tv. i love the sony bravias but they are getting trounced in the reviews and are currently the ones to stay away from (when it comes to 3d)on all the hdtv review websites.

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Ok fair enough. What's to hate about the concept?

nothing, i watched about 20 mins of monsters vs aliens at sears one day and came away way more impressed than i thought i would be.

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in terms of tv its well way to expensive. the tvs at cheapest are what like 1400 maybe the lowest i seen was 1700ish. Than you factor in price for glasses which are like what 150-200 bucks roughly. And thats for one pair. 3d is not worth it now and its one gimmick i want to die. I rather have motion controls than 3d.