What's to say the 360 won't end up like the original Xbox?

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#1 the-very-best
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Some people believe that the 360 has the console war already won but sales argue otherwise. According to a few sources (vgcharts, teamxbox) the 360 is only doing slightly better (6% better to be exact) than the original Xbox was in its time period (talking sales here).

Why is the 360 only selling slightly better than the original Xbox in its time period? Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? Shouldn't the 360 have sold more considering it released a year earlier than both the Wii and PS3?

I'm not arguing that the 360 is a flop, I'm just saying that there is no evidence to suggest that the 360 will be number 1 in the console war. Nintendo, on the other hand, have really improved their game. Wii is doing much better than the GC was in its time period. PS3 is doing about the same as the PS2, worse in Japan due to the Wii atm. We'll see what happens I suppose but my point was that there isn't any evidence to suggest the 360 will be number 1. Just want to point that out.

What do you guys think? A little surprised the 360 isn't selling incredibly? Or do you believe the year head start will cause the 360 to be more popular in the end?
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#2 ninjiijitsu
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I do think xbox 360 will be second place; just like the original xbox.
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#3 jigglebilly1983
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Good post, but be prepared for lemming denials.
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#4 hockeyruler12
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the 360 is selling great...it sold more than the PS3 last month
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#5 DaysAirlines
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The original Xbox sold 24 million in 5-6 years
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#6 diggyzoom
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" When the ps3 fails because nobody can afford it , people need to go somewhere right "


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#7 Toaster_Cell
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I say wait for more the more appealing games to come out before saying that the 360 will end up likes its predecessor.

By appealing games, I mean the usual ever-so-talked-about games such as Halo 3, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, maybe Blue Dragon for those who care, etc.


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#8 AB_Uppercut
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360 obviously will end up like the Xbox but then Microsoft will bring out a new console and the fan-boys will pretend that the 360 never happened just like they wiped the Xbox from their minds.

Sony and Nintendo fans respect gamings past while Microsoft fans spit it

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#9 TheCrimsonKoopa
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It's already sold half as much then the original Xbox in roughly a year.
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#10 colmusterd28
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Fortunatly for Xbox its not going to necesserily be about consoles sold more than how much market can it take away from Sony...At this point anyone can safely say MS has and will continue to chip away from that Sony dominance every day.  Also, Sony has kind of helped MS in doing so... 

Bottom line...The fact that MS has figured out a way to be this successful and appealing so shortly into its second console, so much so that people are converting from a console jugernaut such as Sony, is amazing...
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#11 GsSanAndreas
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The original Xbox sold 24 million in 5-6 yearsDaysAirlines


U mean 3-4
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#12 Baird-06
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The 360 has sold pretty well considering it hasn't had a price drop yet nor does it have Halo.
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#13 OhSnapitz
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Because the 360 seem's to have more support, features and overall "buzz" than the original XB had...  Sure it's not lighting up the sales charts but heres one thing to take into consideration.. The 360 is doing, as you put, about 6% better than the original did in the same time period.. HOWEVER it has a $400 price tag compared to $300 for the fully featured XB..  There are far too many variables to add/subtract to declare a winner at this point, but the 360 is in good shape if you ask me.. 
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#14 Felous1
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It's funny when people forget its price tag. Which is fairly expensive.
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#15 -CC-
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Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? the-very-best

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.

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#16 SpruceCaboose
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    Um, the 360 has outsold the PS3 everytime NPD has had numbers since the PS3s launch going day to day, not timeframe, which is more accurate a comparison.
    On top of that, doing better than the original Xbox is a good thing, regardless of how much better it is, since the 360 has a lead in sales, which the original Xbox never was even close to having.
    All three systems will do great, and all of them will spawn a successor. However, I don't think we will ever see another system hit 100 million units sold, simply due to the heavy competition they all face, since this gen, all three systems have major selling points.
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#17 the-very-best
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? -CC-

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.



PS3 sales in the first months after launch surpass the 360 sales in the first months after launch. That's why I said "in its time period".

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#18 hockeyruler12
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360 obviously will end up like the Xbox but then Microsoft will bring out a new console and the fan-boys will pretend that the 360 never happened just like they wiped the Xbox from their minds.

Sony and Nintendo fans respect gamings past while Microsoft fans spit it

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#19 the-very-best
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It's funny when people forget its price tag. Which is fairly expensive.Felous1


This argument can be used for the PS3 too.
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#20 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? -CC-

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.

Ignore the fanboy comments.. Haters like to add variables to the equation to make their arguments seem valid. "eh.. The PS3 is selling more than the 360 in the same time period".. How about now that both of em are out and people having a choice between 3.. and the 360 is STILL outselling the PS3.. Oh they seem to ignore that little factoid..
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#21 Felous1
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PS3 sales in the first months after launch surpass the 360 sales in the first months after launch. That's why I said "in its time period".the-very-best
Not worldwide.
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#22 BigDizz
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Because a little game called Halo is still around.
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#23 -CC-
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[QUOTE="-CC-"]

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? the-very-best

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.



PS3 sales in the first months after launch surpass the 360 sales in the first months after launch. That's why I said "in its time period".

The 360 has a 10 million headstart and is out selling it head to head now. How is the PS3 going to pass the 360 again?

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#24 colmusterd28
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="-CC-"]

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]Why is the PS3 outselling the 360 in its time period? -CC-

The 360 outsold the PS3 every month the PS3 has been on sale. Lie on a forum if it makes you feel better about the PS3 but the #s dont lie. 360 > PS3 sales.



PS3 sales in the first months after launch surpass the 360 sales in the first months after launch. That's why I said "in its time period".

The 360 has a 10 million headstart and is out selling it head to head now. How is the PS3 going to pass the 360 again?



Isn't the PS3 the very worst at this time...hee hee I made a funny....
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#25 the-very-best
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The 360 has a 10 million headstart and is out selling it head to head now. How is the PS3 going to pass the 360 again?-CC-


PS3 isn't even out in all regions and it's sold around 2 million. What do you think will happen when it's out in all regions and it actually gets a game?
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#26 DaysAirlines
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January NPD's for Xbox 360 in 2006 were 250,000 units sold and that was due to a supply issues: via Gama Sutra And the PS3 did what? 244k, and that was without supply issues. Someone please clear this up for me, I'm not a math genius but I can speculate that January NPD at this time last year the 360 still outsold the PS3.
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#27 yuna707
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Sigh, another silly thread the very-best, you're starting to sound like a cow. The Ps3 has sold less than 2 million so far. Hint thats how much the X360 sold in the holiday season in NA... When the games come out, could be too late. Too few standout games, too long away and not spaced out well.
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#28 Felous1
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PS3 isn't even out in all regions and it's sold around 2 million. What do you think will happen when it's out in all regions and it actually gets a game?the-very-best
And we don't know the numbers of 360s sold worldwide right now. NPD numbers are US only.
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#29 DaysAirlines
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Sigh, another silly thread the very-best, you're starting to sound like a cow. yuna707
I thought he was a cow, he hates the 360.
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#30 yuna707
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[QUOTE="yuna707"]Sigh, another silly thread the very-best, you're starting to sound like a cow. DaysAirlines
I thought he was a cow, he hates the 360.

He was voted as one of the most respectable posters on SW...
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#31 the-very-best
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[QUOTE="yuna707"]Sigh, another silly thread the very-best, you're starting to sound like a cow. DaysAirlines
I thought he was a cow, he hates the 360.



No I don't. Where did you get that idea?
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#32 DaysAirlines
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="yuna707"]Sigh, another silly thread the very-best, you're starting to sound like a cow. the-very-best
I thought he was a cow, he hates the 360.



No I don't. Where did you get that idea?

All the posts I've seen you make have been bashing the 360, sorry I didn't mean any offense but I just assumed you hate the 360.
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#33 the-very-best
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All the posts I've seen you make have been bashing the 360, sorry I didn't mean any offense but I just assumed you hate the 360.DaysAirlines


I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.
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#34 Felous1
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I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.the-very-best
First, it's not cheap. Second, it was competing against a $125 console called Playstation 2.
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#35 diggyzoom
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]January NPD's for Xbox 360 in 2006 were 250,000 units sold and that was due to a supply issues: via Gama Sutra And the PS3 did what? 244k, and that was without supply issues. Someone please clear this up for me, I'm not a math genius but I can speculate that January NPD at this time last year the 360 still outsold the PS3.

Well , vgcharts has the ps3 slightly ahead of what the 360 did last year in January.(And the total is slightly ahead in NA)



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Even though you try to seem unbiased, I know that you're a cow.
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.Felous1
First, it's not cheap. Second, it was competing against a $125 console called Playstation 2.

Exactly! The PS2 still has Great software coming out and it's a fraction of what the 360 is.. So why exactly isn't the PS3 outselling the 360?
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.Felous1
First, it's not cheap. Second, it was competing against a $125 console called Playstation 2.



Well, PS3 isn't cheap and it's selling well against a console that's $250 and the 360 that's had a whole year head start and does have a killer app, Gears of War. PS3/Wii have practically nothing major yet (PS3 will get MGSIV, Wii with SSBB) and yet they are still selling very well against the 360.

There's no doubt the 360 should have sold more with no competition. PS2 is a last gen system. It's popularity against a next gen system like the 360 shows just how strong Sony really is.
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#39 the-very-best
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Even though you try to seem unbiased, I know that you're a cow.joeblak


That's OK. I don't care if you label me as a "cow" as long as you don't say that I dislike Nintendo/MS because that would be untrue.
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#40 Felous1
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Well, PS3 isn't cheap and it's selling well against a console that's $250 and the 360 that's had a whole year head start and does have a killer app, Gears of War. PS3/Wii have practically nothing major yet (PS3 will get MGSIV, Wii with SSBB) and yet they are still selling very well against the 360.

There's no doubt the 360 should have sold more with no competition. PS2 is a last gen system. It's popularity against a next gen system like the 360 shows just how strong Sony really is.
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First, both consoles just launched. Most consoles sell well when they launch. Though, the PS3 is not necessarily doing well. It's just doing well considering its price tag. Second, what are you talking about no competition ? Wake up dude, the Playstation 2 is still competing to this very day and it was competing against the 360 for sure.
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#41 user_nat
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I think that the 360 is doing pretty well, it got its first real killer app a year in. The original xbox launched with a killer app which would help boast your sales for a year.. not 3 months like the 360.
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#42 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.the-very-best
First, it's not cheap. Second, it was competing against a $125 console called Playstation 2.



Well, PS3 isn't cheap and it's selling well against a console that's $250 and the 360 that's had a whole year head start and does have a killer app, Gears of War. PS3/Wii have practically nothing major yet (PS3 will get MGSIV, Wii with SSBB) and yet they are still selling very well against the 360.

There's no doubt the 360 should have sold more with no competition. PS2 is a last gen system. It's popularity against a next gen system like the 360 shows just how strong Sony really is.

Are you really that blind? The Sony name alone should've been enough to sell the system but it didn't outsell ANYTHING this holiday season because it was Too Damned expensive.. The 360 outsold the PS3 for 3 months straight.. and it doesn't look as if it'll stop anytime soon.. Stop making excuses for Sony and admit the truth. As of right now the PS3 is in last place and the price point isn't helping..
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[QUOTE="Felous1"]First, both consoles just launched. Most consoles sell well when they launch. Though, the PS3 is not necessarily doing well. It's just doing well considering its price tag. Second, what are you talking about no competition ? Wake up dude, the Playstation 2 is still competing to this very day and it was competing against the 360 for sure.



OK, let's say people are still fascinated with their PS2 because it has so many great games etc.

Will all those people switch to the 360 after they're finished with their PS2 or does it make more sense that they'd switch to the PS3 since it's getting the continuations to all major series from the PS2?

360 didn't exactly sell incredibly at launch btw. It did around the same as the original Xbox at launch in NA and much worse than the original Xbox in Japan.
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#44 remaGloohcSdlO
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I think the smoke will clear years from now, and it will be: 1.) Nintendo 2.) 360 3.) PS3 The big story will be Sony going from first, to worst... The Wii got one thing right to gain market share, price. If the Wii is gaining a ton of ground over last gen, and the 360 is gaining a bit... then guess who's losing all the ground they are gaining. Bingo... Sony will have a huge mountain to climb to win back some fans, and that could take more than the PS4 to do it. I think the Wii will win, but the margin will be almost non-exsistant, and maybe, if all the moons align just right the 360 may even edge it out. All of the above is only my opinion, so flame someone else... I'm just donating my $0.02
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#45 the-very-best
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Are you really that blind? The Sony name alone should've been enough to sell the system but it didn't outsell ANYTHING this holiday season because it was Too Damned expensive.. The 360 outsold the PS3 for 3 months straight.. and it doesn't look as if it'll stop anytime soon.. Stop making excuses for Sony and admit the truth. As of right now the PS3 is in last place and the price point isn't helping.. OhSnapitz


The majority of consumers typically wait 2 years before buying their next gen console (evident by the sales spike 2 years after the launch of the PS2). If PS3 has sold around 2 mil without any major titles and a hefty price tag it's going to be interesting how many units it will sell when it's a little cheaper and has the series that made the PS2 so popular.

PS3 will begin outselling the 360 in the coming months (Just a prediction, not a fact).
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#46 peaceful_anger
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I know you didn't. Anyway, how is this thread bashing the 360? I'm just saying that 360 should have sold more with it's head start (and it really should have). I have nothing against the console (or the games), I plan to buy it in the future after I get my PS3 later this year.Felous1
First, it's not cheap. Second, it was competing against a $125 console called Playstation 2.

Yeah well the Wii is more expensive than the PS2 and it's competing against it plus the XBOX 360 and PS3 and is outselling all of them at the moment. I'm not trying to bash the 360 cause I plan on buying one soon, but I'm just saying that I see where the TC is coming from, and think MS could have done so much more with their one year head start.
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#47 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Felous1"]First, both consoles just launched. Most consoles sell well when they launch. Though, the PS3 is not necessarily doing well. It's just doing well considering its price tag. Second, what are you talking about no competition ? Wake up dude, the Playstation 2 is still competing to this very day and it was competing against the 360 for sure.



OK, let's say people are still fascinated with their PS2 because it has so many great games etc.

Will all those people switch to the 360 after they're finished with their PS2 or does it make more sense that they'd switch to the PS3 since it's getting the continuations to all major series from the PS2?

360 didn't exactly sell incredibly at launch btw. It did around the same as the original Xbox at launch in NA and much worse than the original Xbox in Japan.



You can't know that at this point.. Hell there are converts out there that simply want to game and don't like the pricepoint of the PS3.. I personally know serveral..

The 360 sold around the SAME DAMNED AMOUNT the PS3 did.. WTH are you talking about..  And it took months for the original XB to sell through it's 250k shipment with the original XB..  The 360 isn't doing worse.. It's doing better.. ( not that, that's a compliment.)
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#48 Felous1
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[Will all those people switch to the 360 after they're finished with their PS2 or does it make more sense that they'd switch to the PS3 since it's getting the continuations to all major series from the PS2?the-very-best
This question is random and offtopic, but I will answer you. Brand helps, but people aren't that loyal to brand name as you think. Take a look back at the PS1/ 64 generation and you will understand. The 360 didn't do very well, but wasn't that the same case with the PS2 launch as well ?
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#49 the-very-best
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[QUOTE="remaGloohcSdlO"]I think the smoke will clear years from now, and it will be: 1.) Nintendo 2.) 360 3.) PS3 The big story will be Sony going from first, to worst... The Wii got one thing right to gain market share, price. If the Wii is gaining a ton of ground over last gen, and the 360 is gaining a bit... then guess who's losing all the ground they are gaining. Bingo... Sony will have a huge mountain to climb to win back some fans, and that could take more than the PS4 to do it. I think the Wii will win, but the margin will be almost non-exsistant, and maybe, if all the moons align just right the 360 may even edge it out. All of the above is only my opinion, so flame someone else... I'm just donating my $0.02



Wii's targeting a very different market than Sony/MS and most hardcore gamers will buy a PS3/360 if they do buy a Wii.

I'm not going to flame you for saying Wii will come first. All figures atm show exactly that so it's certainly not silly to believe the console will dominate the console war.
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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Are you really that blind? The Sony name alone should've been enough to sell the system but it didn't outsell ANYTHING this holiday season because it was Too Damned expensive.. The 360 outsold the PS3 for 3 months straight.. and it doesn't look as if it'll stop anytime soon.. Stop making excuses for Sony and admit the truth. As of right now the PS3 is in last place and the price point isn't helping.. the-very-best


The majority of consumers typically wait 2 years before buying their next gen console (evident by the sales spike 2 years after the launch of the PS2). If PS3 has sold around 2 mil without any major titles and a hefty price tag it's going to be interesting how many units it will sell when it's a little cheaper and has the series that made the PS2 so popular.

PS3 will begin outselling the 360 in the coming months (Just a prediction, not a fact).

And I also remember you saying that the PS3 would outsell the 360 in January too.