What's wrong with camping?

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

I dont have a problem with snipers, as thats exactly how they're meant to be used. anything else, and you should be on the battlefield.

the only campers i have a real problem with are spawn campers. after they removed the temorary invul. in kz2, that just ruined the game for me. every match i went to had a crowd of people spamming melee right by all the spawn points. it's cheap and takes all of the fun out of the game

cainetao11

More games should include anti-camper game types that highlight people on the map/radar if they don't move more than a few feet every few seconds.

Spawn camping is e'fing atrocious, and people doing that should get a life time ban, end of. No 'but'.

Appart from that, i've got no prob. with it. I sometimes camp in a good spot, and get some kills, sometimes i get killed. Sometimes the other way around, i kill campers, they kill me. I sometimes get a good kill/death ratio, sometimes i get a horrifyingly lousy one. Point is, i'm not after a good kill/death, i'm after some fun, and i do get it.

But one thing i never do, is stay in the same spot/extensively camp for the entire duration of the match. It's boring as ***.

Camping is for selfish people with little skill.Sp4rtan_3

ding ding we have winrar

btw i dont mind if people are tactical and moving slowly towards an objective or if its an attack/defend game that people are protectin it.What i dont agree with is sitting in one place in a tdm or a ffait just defeats the purpose of the game.

it ends up inevitably becoming

1.run past corner and die

2.sniper abuse and bush wookieing

3.kids think they are gods at a game cause they sit in corners with LMG.

It does make me miss the ye olde days of battlefield vietnam where you got servers that kicked you for camping,spawn camping and generally not helping the team.An art lost because of idiots on consoles and the generation of gamers i like to call the COD generation.

It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) Ninja-Hippo

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used less effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallible and rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation), you simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

If evreybody camped the game would become rather boring don't you think? chaplainDMK

Camping is used as an excuse in modern games e.g CoD.

Try to camp in a game like CS:S and you'll get owned, because people know the map.

I don't care if you camp in a deathmatch, because I'm looking for you and I'll probably be the victorious one ( since you are using a sniper).

But in capture games it's infurating to have people on your team doing nothing for the team. Sometimes it makes it impossible to capture anything. I hate being on a team with too many snipers.

Camping is fine by me. I do it sometimes too. Most games I find that have campers in them, however, I also find that maps are layed out better to prevent campers, such as throwing a grenade in a window. One can only camp for so long I find.

Camping is used as an excuse in modern games e.g CoD.

Try to camp in a game like CS:S and you'll get owned, because people know the map.

coreybg

You would be amazed to see how many campers there are in most servers, in both CS and CS Source.

Counter-terrorists waiting in a good spot for terrorist to put the bomb, headshooting them easily. Or, after a terrorist has put the bomb, he camps near by that spot, waiting for a counter terrorist to defuse it.

Happens quite oftenly, but i'm not complaining, at all. I know every inch of most popular maps out there, so both campers and others need to be extremely careful. It adds a lot of tension, specifically wen the bomb is planted and there's 3-4 players left.

I find it funny people are complaining about skill.

Camping makes people mad. campin' all day erryday

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

It's Cheap and Cowardly.

razgriz_101

this and those guys who camp think they are gods gift to "x" game.

Altho i prefer the term bush wookie and besides this sums up camping perfectly imo especially in team based games.

Snipers are much worse than campers. Or are snipers also considered campers? I'm not sure.

Either way, it encourages people to play the game in the least fun way possible. I find nothing fun about waiting around, waiting for people to come through my crosshairs or whatever. And when you're playing with many other people that do that, you're more likely to have to adopt that same strategy to compete.

But it's a perfectly valid tactic. I don't think it warrants any bragging rights (but, I don't think anything in any video game does for that matter), but its in the game and if one can take advantage of it, the smarter player will. Still makes the game less fun, but I blame the game design rather than the player.

Nothing. People are just too stupid to know how to counter it.

It's like the casuals who picked up Street Fighter 4 and cried about Ken's who just did shoryukens. Why not try blocking? That usually works instead of complaining.

But that's all people will do. Cry.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]If evreybody camped the game would become rather boring don't you think? juno84

I actually like camping, myself. I'd rather do it in a dry, cool weather, though: if the day's hot, or if it's raining, camping is just plain terrible.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) juno84

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

This is the post of the year sir. Kudos.

You can camp if you really want, but it seems kind of boring and lame to do so the entire game.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) juno84

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

It's Cheap and Cowardly.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) I-Doomzday-I

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

This is the post of the year sir. Kudos.

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) cainetao11

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

Personal integrity? It's a video game. There is nothing wrong with camping, it's a viable tactic. Stop crying because you don't know how to counter it.

Seriously you crybabies are ridiculous with your foolish "honor codes." It's like back in Gears 1 where all everyone did was cry about active snipers. You know it's coming and yet you're still stupid enough to leave yourself vunerable. Same in CoD. People cry about claymores. Seriously? Everyone puts them in the same spot. Use your brain for 4 seconds and think "hey, there might be a claymore there. I shouldn't rush in like a moron"

Learn how to play. Anyone with skill knows how to properly adapt to every situation. Crying is not the solution.

It's Cheap and Cowardly.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

Camping is used as an excuse in modern games e.g CoD.

Try to camp in a game like CS:S and you'll get owned, because people know the map.

Lucianu

You would be amazed to see how many campers there are in most servers, in both CS and CS Source.

Counter-terrorists waiting in a good spot for terrorist to put the bomb, headshooting them easily. Or, after a terrorist has put the bomb, he camps near by that spot, waiting for a counter terrorist to defuse it.

Happens quite oftenly, but i'm not complaining, at all. I know every inch of most popular maps out there, so both campers and others need to be extremely careful. It adds a lot of tension, specifically wen the bomb is planted and there's 3-4 players left.

Yeah camping as an excuse is as old as "he's hacking" or "lag".

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) cainetao11

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

The game design allows for campers. Campers ruin the flow of the game. I'd wager people really don't care about personal integrity and responsibility, because it's a video game, and as soon as the match is over it doesn't matter at all. So instead of blaming people for finding a more efficient way of winning/getting a high score, I'd rather blame the game design that allows that to happen.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="juno84"] Being truly skillful in a game is often recognizing the most consistent and straightforward way to accomplish your objectives. Any good player, whether playing offensively or defensively should always be looking to have favorable positioning. A weak player may rely on camping to cover his weakness, but a strong player will still utilize any viable tactic to win. If camping in a game is so strong that everyone does it to the point that it breaks the flow of the game (ie because no one is willing to risk moving), then the game is trash. Play something else or hope the devs will fix their game.

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

I-Doomzday-I

Personal integrity? It's a video game. There is nothing wrong with camping, it's a viable tactic. Stop crying because you don't know how to counter it.

Seriously you crybabies are ridiculous with your foolish "honor codes." It's like back in Gears 1 where all everyone did was cry about active snipers. You know it's coming and yet you're still stupid enough to leave yourself vunerable. Same in CoD. People cry about claymores. Seriously? Everyone puts them in the same spot. Use your brain for 4 seconds and think "hey, there might be a claymore there. I shouldn't rush in like a moron"

Learn how to play. Anyone with skill knows how to properly adapt to every situation. Crying is not the solution.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="juno84"] Being truly skillful in a game is often recognizing the most consistent and straightforward way to accomplish your objectives. Any good player, whether playing offensively or defensively should always be looking to have favorable positioning. A weak player may rely on camping to cover his weakness, but a strong player will still utilize any viable tactic to win. If camping in a game is so strong that everyone does it to the point that it breaks the flow of the game (ie because no one is willing to risk moving), then the game is trash. Play something else or hope the devs will fix their game.

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

Personal integrity? It's a video game. There is nothing wrong with camping, it's a viable tactic. Stop crying because you don't know how to counter it.

Seriously you crybabies are ridiculous with your ridiculous and foolish "honor codes." It's like back in Gears 1 where all everyone did was cry about active snipers. You know it's coming and yet you're still stupid enough to leave yourself vunerable. Same in CoD. People cry about claymores. Seriously? Everyone puts them in the same spot. Use your brain for 4 seconds and think "hey, there might be a claymore there. I shouldn't rush in like a moron"

Learn how to play. Anyone with skill knows how to properly adapt to every situation. Crying is not the solution.

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's cowardly and lacking in any real skill. Cheap, basically. :) cainetao11

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="juno84"] Being truly skillful in a game is often recognizing the most consistent and straightforward way to accomplish your objectives. Any good player, whether playing offensively or defensively should always be looking to have favorable positioning. A weak player may rely on camping to cover his weakness, but a strong player will still utilize any viable tactic to win. If camping in a game is so strong that everyone does it to the point that it breaks the flow of the game (ie because no one is willing to risk moving), then the game is trash. Play something else or hope the devs will fix their game.

The idea of "cheapness" in itself is so flawed. Essentially, you've been bested as far as the game is concerned by someone who used left effort than you. You are believing yourself to be infallibleand rather than looking at your own failures (what you could have done differently in a given situation). You simply write it off as the other person doing something you've arbitrarily deemed as unfair. It's the primordial losing attitude.

The game design allows for campers. Campers ruin the flow of the game. I'd wager people really don't care about personal integrity and responsibility, because it's a video game, and as soon as the match is over it doesn't matter at all. So instead of blaming people for finding a more efficient way of winning/getting a high score, I'd rather blame the game design that allows that to happen.

There's only two types of campers I hate: Spawn campers and Corner campers. I can deal with snipers, especially since I like to snipe every once in a while.

Everything. It's the supreme showcase of one's true ineptitude of skill and bravery in the face of conflict.

I hate campers...but in a way, I love them being there, because I make my purpose to drive them out of their little corner, IDK it's fun for me...So I guess I actually like Campers :P

Kinda like on uncharted in the village level, when I played against my one friend who always goes for the sniper towers. I always made a point to toss a grenade up there and drive him out.

I don't think players should just keep going back to the same exact corner all day during a match, but as some have said, you shouldn't run around like a headless chicken, you can "Run and Gun" and "Camp" by playing smart.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Sniping is NOT camping...It's plain stupid to run and gun with a sniper rifle. Much like its stupid to shoot someone across a map with a shotgun. :P

There's only two types of campers I hate: Spawn campers and Corner campers. I can deal with snipers, especially since I like to snipe every once in a while.

Mostly_Normal

I suppose I'll repeat myself: It's unreasonable to expect players to adhere to the some ill-defined code of honor for the sake of all. It's the developers responsibility to instill solid gameplay mechanics, not the players. You're drawing a line in the sand and saying "Right here, this is where it is okay." The reality though, is your standards of what is good, fun, considerate play may be well above one player's, and well bellow another's.cainetao11

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll repeat myself, I HAVE NO PROBLEM with camping. No matter what the gameplay mechanic, if players as you said, "no one is willing to risk moving" won't do something that they can, it is their choice not a dev's fault.

There's only two types of campers I hate: Spawn campers and Corner campers. I can deal with snipers, especially since I like to snipe every once in a while.

I don't see an issue with it personally as I do it sometimes. Why should I run out there and get my head blown off when I can sit back and blow someone else's head backwards? My friends and I had an entire lobby to ourselves and it seems like the moment you stop moving you become a camper. Trying to regain your energy? You're a camper. Trying to feel your surroundings? You're a camper. This word is being overused. I may camp sometimes (stay in the same area for more than 2 minutes) but so what? Just because I'm not playing the way you want me to I get called a camper, lol, that sounds like a childish complaint that I would have made in the 2nd grade. Grow up, and learn a new strategy.

lowkey254

There's only two types of campers I hate: Spawn campers and Corner campers. I can deal with snipers, especially since I like to snipe every once in a while.

I love camping because it delivers delicious amounts of rage. That's why I took the time to get a Sydney Sleeper set in Team Fortress 2 ;).

@juno84 Fair enough, I disagree. I am talking about players policing themselves. That's what we are taught to do in the service. Take responsibility for ourselves. "no one is WILLING to risk moving" is not a dev's fault. It is a choice by the player.cainetao11

No, that's the developers fault.

Look at 3rd Strike vs SSF4. 3rd Strike was fast paced offense, SSF4 is a turtle fest. People hesistate to make moves because the game encourages turtling.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="FPSDad1161"] While spawn camping can be a pain to deal with, or at times impossible to deal with, you and you're team shouldn't have let the situation happen in the first place. It is a legitimate tactic. Like in real life attacking an opposing enemy base before they even know you're there. Or assaulting a unsuspecting enemy position. And remember, if they can spawn camp you, you can do it back. Just learn to adapt. If you got in that situation in the first place it's because you were outclassed by you're opponent. Corner camping is legit as well. I guess it's just easier for people to complain then to learn to deal with situations and adjust/adapt to them. Lazy people.FPSDad1161

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]@juno84 Fair enough, I disagree. I am talking about players policing themselves. That's what we are taught to do in the service. Take responsibility for ourselves. "no one is WILLING to risk moving" is not a dev's fault. It is a choice by the player.I-Doomzday-I

No, that's the developers fault.

Look at 3rd Strike vs SSF4. 3rd Strike was fast paced offense, SSF4 is a turtle fest. People hesistate to make moves because the game encourages turtling.