What's wrong with camping?

@juno84 Fair enough, I disagree. I am talking about players policing themselves. That's what we are taught to do in the service. Take responsibility for ourselves. "no one is WILLING to risk moving" is not a dev's fault. It is a choice by the player.cainetao11

Despite my personal feelings, many players actually enjoyed the game in that state and never even played the beta. A lot of the veteran players, myself included, did adopt kind of code of play with soft-bans on weapons. However, is there really a lack of integrity from the new players who played within the games rules and did what they found to be most effective? It's not reasonable for me to expect those players to have knowledge of or even agree with my standards of play. What about some of the old players who for whatever reason did like the rock, scissor, paper design?

Nothing wrong with camping, its just that people usually failmiserably at trying to counter them, or just flat out dont know how do deal with them. Theyshouldn't blame the game, they should blamethemselves. If you dont know how to deal with them just avoid them. When playing COD I will always go after them if they are getting lots of kills from my teammates. There was one case in COD4 where this guy was camping the whole game, I fail to get him twice. He went 45-5 so it didnt really bothered me. His team lost, imo if he had not been camping he would have gottem more kills and given his team a greater chance to win.

It depends. Snipers those securing certain vital spots are fine... those who are only sitting in a corner contributting NOTHING to the team are my problem.

Here I will give you an example:

About 20 minutes ago I played Domination on Call of Duty. The whole opposing team was full of people staying in the corners by the flag spots. Now heres the problem..... the flag they were camping at was under MY TEAMS CONTROL. They could of taken the time to get out and capture it for their team....Those who are camping just to get their killstreaks are the reason many do have problems with camping.

If you are contributing by holding down the spot thats fine but try to help the team win..

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]@juno84 Fair enough, I disagree. I am talking about players policing themselves. That's what we are taught to do in the service. Take responsibility for ourselves. "no one is WILLING to risk moving" is not a dev's fault. It is a choice by the player.juno84

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"][QUOTE="cainetao11"] As a soldier in the US army, please stop comparing any of these tactics to real combat. Unless you have served you don't know what your talking about, and it's insulting to some of us. There is nothing wrong with camping, imo, other than spawn camping. I know it's my team's fault it got that way. I guess it's the Jets fault that the Patriots were able to cheat as they were caught doing a few years back. cainetao11

It's cheap and cowardly. By camping you show that you only care about boasting your stats rather than getting good at the game.

I can tell nobody of those who say there's nothing wrong with camping can say he's good at FPSs without getting insecure.

The camper i hate is the spawn-camper.

there is no point to play the game if your not given a fighting chance anymore.

so sorry if i don't understand the 'tactic'. I do, and for the gamesake it's a douch-tactic.

Learn the map, know where campers might be hiding, use your grenades thoughtfully. Campers really aren't a problem. AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="juno84"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]@juno84 Fair enough, I disagree. I am talking about players policing themselves. That's what we are taught to do in the service. Take responsibility for ourselves. "no one is WILLING to risk moving" is not a dev's fault. It is a choice by the player.cainetao11

I don't see an issue with it personally as I do it sometimes. Why should I run out there and get my head blown off when I can sit back and blow someone else's head backwards? My friends and I had an entire lobby to ourselves and it seems like the moment you stop moving you become a camper. Trying to regain your energy? You're a camper. Trying to feel your surroundings? You're a camper. This word is being overused. I may camp sometimes (stay in the same area for more than 2 minutes) but so what? Just because I'm not playing the way you want me to I get called a camper, lol, that sounds like a childish complaint that I would have made in the 2nd grade. Grow up, and learn a new strategy.

lowkey254

I just think its really annoying. I was playing Killzone 3 last night and this dude was all the way in the back of the map inside of his spawn sniping this 1 exit to the area my team was spawning in. Its was impossible to kill him because right after he would kill someonen he would wait for himself to become invisible again and it wasn't possible to sneak up behind him since he was in the spawn and its guarding by anti-spawn camping bots. They guy went like 15-0 that match.

The next match the sides switched and he only got 9 kill and his deaths were in the upper 20s and he wasn't even playing the objective

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I don't see an issue with it personally as I do it sometimes. Why should I run out there and get my head blown off when I can sit back and blow someone else's head backwards? My friends and I had an entire lobby to ourselves and it seems like the moment you stop moving you become a camper. Trying to regain your energy? You're a camper. Trying to feel your surroundings? You're a camper. This word is being overused. I may camp sometimes (stay in the same area for more than 2 minutes) but so what? Just because I'm not playing the way you want me to I get called a camper, lol, that sounds like a childish complaint that I would have made in the 2nd grade. Grow up, and learn a new strategy.

Tikeio

So nothing is wrong with it because you do it?

I just think its really annoying. I was playing Killzone 3 last night and this dude was all the way in the back of the map inside of his spawn sniping this 1 exit to the area my team was spawning in. Its was impossible to kill him because right after he would kill someonen he would wait for himself to become invisible again and it wasn't possible to sneak up behind him since he was in the spawn and its guarding by anti-spawn camping bots. They guy went like 15-0 that match.

The next match the sides switched and he only got 9 kill and his deaths were in the upper 20s and he wasn't even playing the objective

BPoole96

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"] There is no way I buy that point about if camping breaks the flow of the game, the game is trash. How about some personal integrity or responsibility? Blame the game because you can't handle the idea that risking death will bring the flow back to the game? Baby.cainetao11

The game design allows for campers. Campers ruin the flow of the game. I'd wager people really don't care about personal integrity and responsibility, because it's a video game, and as soon as the match is over it doesn't matter at all. So instead of blaming people for finding a more efficient way of winning/getting a high score, I'd rather blame the game design that allows that to happen.

Integrity is the virtue of consistancy and I'm not sure how camping in shooters shows a lack thereof. Values in every day activities also don't need to transfer over to video games because one's values can be based on utilitarian morals. Me screwing over someone online may not apply if my morals are based on actual harm/good done. Not to mention, finding the most efficient method of winning a game where the whole point is to win, kind of makes sense.

But that debate aside, it doesn't really matter. Whether people SHOULD have integrity/personal responsibility isn't important. Because most people don't in video games. People have free will, yes. But they don't have to. The game is completly control environment, there's no reason why players need to have that choice.

In online shooters you are NOT suppose to choose a corner that you like and sit there. You are suppose to seek out the enemy and use your SKILL to kill them. Its the cheapest thing to do and it tells me that you have no skill what so ever.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I just think its really annoying. I was playing Killzone 3 last night and this dude was all the way in the back of the map inside of his spawn sniping this 1 exit to the area my team was spawning in. Its was impossible to kill him because right after he would kill someonen he would wait for himself to become invisible again and it wasn't possible to sneak up behind him since he was in the spawn and its guarding by anti-spawn camping bots. They guy went like 15-0 that match.

The next match the sides switched and he only got 9 kill and his deaths were in the upper 20s and he wasn't even playing the objective

Master_ShakeXXX

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I just think its really annoying. I was playing Killzone 3 last night and this dude was all the way in the back of the map inside of his spawn sniping this 1 exit to the area my team was spawning in. Its was impossible to kill him because right after he would kill someonen he would wait for himself to become invisible again and it wasn't possible to sneak up behind him since he was in the spawn and its guarding by anti-spawn camping bots. They guy went like 15-0 that match.

The next match the sides switched and he only got 9 kill and his deaths were in the upper 20s and he wasn't even playing the objective

BPoole96

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I just think its really annoying. I was playing Killzone 3 last night and this dude was all the way in the back of the map inside of his spawn sniping this 1 exit to the area my team was spawning in. Its was impossible to kill him because right after he would kill someonen he would wait for himself to become invisible again and it wasn't possible to sneak up behind him since he was in the spawn and its guarding by anti-spawn camping bots. They guy went like 15-0 that match.

The next match the sides switched and he only got 9 kill and his deaths were in the upper 20s and he wasn't even playing the objective

BPoole96

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

The one thing I love about Black Ops is that Treyarch seemed to intentionally make it a pain in the ass for campers. They have given me all the tools necessary for dealing with the little cretans (Spy Plane, Ghost, Ninja, Hacker, RCXD, etc) while also taking away one of their biggest assets = stacking killstreaks :D

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

lawlessx

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

I hate that as well and it even gets transferred to other FPS games. On CoD4 I had like a 1.6 KD but over a 3.0 W/L but apparently I'm a scrub because I can't even manage a 2.0. The stat should jyst be eliminated and people won't worry about it.

I love that in Bad Company 2 it doesn't tell you how many kills/deaths you got until the match is over

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Sounds like a camper. Take away their cheap tactics and they're helpless.

Master_ShakeXXX

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

The one thing I love about Black Ops is that Treyarch seemed to intentionally make it a pain in the ass for campers. They have given me all the tools necessary for dealing with the little cretans (Spy Plane, Ghost, Ninja, Hacker, RCXD, etc) while also taking away one of their biggest assets = stacking killstreaks :D

Well Ghost in that game bothered me some. If I used ghost I use it to run obscure paths on the map to get behind the enemy team and get kills from behind. Some people think Ghost means they can hide in an obscure part of the map and finish a match 4-1 and be psyched that they got a 4.0 KD. There is at least a killcam where you can see them so it isn't too hard to go back and kill them.

The guy I described above in the KZ3 beta was just really annoying because there was no way to really kill him, which in a way is poor design on GGs part.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

BPoole96

I hate that as well and it even gets transferred to other FPS games. On CoD4 I had like a 1.6 KD but over a 3.0 W/L but apparently I'm a scrub because I can't even manage a 2.0. The stat should jyst be eliminated and people won't worry about it.

I love that in Bad Company 2 it doesn't tell you how many kills/deaths you got until the match is over

a game is a game. if you want to camp...camp. if you want to spam ken fireballs, do it. there's always good ways around for good players. its a game. those are the rules.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Exactly. Camping requires 0 thought process and no reaction time at all. A sloth frozen in molasses can point their gun at a doorway and hide behind an object to kill a player that wanders into the room. Devs should just take out the KD stat of the game and only tell you how many total kills you have and the only ratio that should be given is your Win/Loss ratio. I love when a match ends and I guy on the losing teams says "I ****ing owned you guys!!!" after his team lost the match

BPoole96

The one thing I love about Black Ops is that Treyarch seemed to intentionally make it a pain in the ass for campers. They have given me all the tools necessary for dealing with the little cretans (Spy Plane, Ghost, Ninja, Hacker, RCXD, etc) while also taking away one of their biggest assets = stacking killstreaks :D

Well Ghost in that game bothered me some. If I used ghost I use it to run obscure paths on the map to get behind the enemy team and get kills from behind. Some people think Ghost means they can hide in an obscure part of the map and finish a match 4-1 and be psyched that they got a 4.0 KD. There is at least a killcam where you can see them so it isn't too hard to go back and kill them.

The guy I described above in the KZ3 beta was just really annoying because there was no way to really kill him, which in a way is poor design on GGs part.

Well it can work both ways with Ghost. It can be a big help to campers but it can also help me get the drop on them. I used it a lot with my first class but not anymore. Can't remember which perk I swapped it for. Tomahawks and Hacker are a big help against them, atleast for me. They usualy plant a claymore or something in the room with them, so when I see that I can usualy tell someone is in the room, and seeing as how they are completely predictable, I can always judge exactly where they're going to be standing/kneeling in the room. So I just ready my tomahawk, round the corner, and kill them instantly :lol:

It's pretty hilarious to do.

I usually run around really fast and never stop moving during an FPS, but I rarely play them.

All I know is campers were rarely good at anything when I played Counter Strike.

I don't really consider camping an issue because I know where the person is going to be. I consider camping to be laying a claymore in front of a door in a room, and staying in that room. Campers like that won't stay alive for more than 2 minutes if the opposing team know what they're doing. What I usually do is to hold areas for tactical advantages, such as the Estate in the Estate map in MW2, or the middle house in Derail. Holding those areas give you good vantage points.

Nothing's wrong with camping, it's a legitimate tactic that is needed for some guns to be used effectively in many games, such as shotguns in Counter Strike.

It makes the l337 gamers look like ****(self censored) :lol:

nothing wrong with it, its just boring

I was gonna post but im too busy hiding in the corner watching you...

seriously, there is nothing wrong with it. its an element of the game that when someone gets shot, the obligatory thing to say is * you camper!!! at this time, you being the killer are supposed to laugh into the headset, preferably with the child sounding voice changer and keep playing.

Sitting in a hiding spot with a short-range weapon, and shooting anyone who unwittingly walks into your line of sight, is an obnoxious way to play the game and is not sporting.

That's the only thing I define as camping. Staying in one spot sniping, or just defending a room/building, is not camping.

Cherokee_Jack

This. If you are not a sniper picking out long distance shots or defending a specific area, you shouldn't be camping...and if you are, it's unsportsmanlike and cheap. Camping soon leads to spawn killing, another pet peeve of FPSes.

Camping is a legit strategy, I have no problems against campers as I am very careful and always aware of campers. I always check sides and corners cause 80% of the time there's a camper. I camp aswell depending on the opponents strategy, if they play agressive then camping could be a better strategy.

@_BlueDuck_. Integrity-adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character.As for gamer don't have to have the choice, that has nothing to do with the fact that they do. Having integrity would dictate not spawn camping. cainetao11

I don't see how spawn camping shows bad moral character (not that I think it's a good thing), because all you are doing is pushing buttons and using programming code (forgive my lack of tech knowledge and jargon here), which has no utilitarian value. If someone expects morality in a video game they are taking it far too seriously.

And just because players should have integrity in-game, has nothing to do with the fact they don't. So here's the problem; you have a bunch of campers, who don't care that they camp, and do it anyhow. You have a game designer that designed the game to allow them to do that. Design flaw.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Sitting in a hiding spot with a short-range weapon, and shooting anyone who unwittingly walks into your line of sight, is an obnoxious way to play the game and is not sporting.

That's the only thing I define as camping. Staying in one spot sniping, or just defending a room/building, is not camping.

Zanoh

This. If you are not a sniper picking out long distance shots or defending a specific area, you shouldn't be camping...and if you are, it's unsportsmanlike and cheap. Camping soon leads to spawn killing, another pet peeve of FPSes.

Camping takes no skill.

That said, if you're not moving it's sooo much easier to shoot you.

I < 3 campers for that reason.

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Sitting in a hiding spot with a short-range weapon, and shooting anyone who unwittingly walks into your line of sight, is an obnoxious way to play the game and is not sporting.

That's the only thing I define as camping. Staying in one spot sniping, or just defending a room/building, is not camping.

def_mode

This. If you are not a sniper picking out long distance shots or defending a specific area, you shouldn't be camping...and if you are, it's unsportsmanlike and cheap. Camping soon leads to spawn killing, another pet peeve of FPSes.

Please read my post again, I said if you are not shooting long distance shots with a sniper rifle or defending a target area, you shouldn't be camping. PERIOD. Legit strategy my left foot, it's an unsportsmanlike tactic that makes you think you can get easy K/D when in reality it doesn't. Especially when we experienced snipers / point men / tacticians scour the map FOR you campers.

I don't "run and gun". I check my surroundings and be careful many times. So don't call someone a n00b when camping is a n00b strategy. >.>

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]@_BlueDuck_. Integrity-adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character.As for gamer don't have to have the choice, that has nothing to do with the fact that they do. Having integrity would dictate not spawn camping. _BlueDuck_

I don't see how spawn camping shows bad moral character (not that I think it's a good thing), because all you are doing is pushing buttons and using programming code (forgive my lack of tech knowledge and jargon here), which has no utilitarian value. If someone expects morality in a video game they are taking it far too seriously.

And just because players should have integrity in-game, has nothing to do with the fact they don't. So here's the problem; you have a bunch of campers, who don't care that they camp, and do it anyhow. You have a game designer that designed the game to allow them to do that. Design flaw.

Its boring and cheap. People only do it for K/D and not play the game for fun.

ZombeGoast

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]@_BlueDuck_. Integrity-adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character.As for gamer don't have to have the choice, that has nothing to do with the fact that they do. Having integrity would dictate not spawn camping. cainetao11

I don't see how spawn camping shows bad moral character (not that I think it's a good thing), because all you are doing is pushing buttons and using programming code (forgive my lack of tech knowledge and jargon here), which has no utilitarian value. If someone expects morality in a video game they are taking it far too seriously.

And just because players should have integrity in-game, has nothing to do with the fact they don't. So here's the problem; you have a bunch of campers, who don't care that they camp, and do it anyhow. You have a game designer that designed the game to allow them to do that. Design flaw.

Well, it is their fault. They made the game, they were the ones that made an environment that encourages and rewards camping. If the developers put in a gun that was really over powered and ruined the balance of the game, that would be a design flaw. Same would apply for camping.

Ok. We don't agree. I believe in owning what I do. Take care. cainetao11

Intriguing discussion/topic, no doubt.

i hate campers, i think its a weak strategy though it is one, i mean unless its like capture the flag or something then yeah, your protecting the flag or whatever but in team deathmatch or deathmatch and all your doing is hiding in a corner and waiting for someone to come through then thats just cowardly and cheap. Thats not skills to me

If you're attacking an objective, and you don't move forward towards the goal when you have the chance, I consider you a camper.

If you're defending an objective, well obviously some people on the team have to camp to defend.

I don't really play team deathmatch/deathmatch for this reason, because there's usually too many people camping; which is why I've always loved the Battlefield series. The 2 main modes are Capture the flag and Rush, where camping will get you no where on the attacking side.

Because it is annoying.

For say in KZ3 Beta, as soon as I came out the door 1 guy kept spawn camping me. So it was like yeah what do I do I can't move or Im dead

Snakemaster9