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#101 Communistsheep
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]this is the ps3 we are talking about.......remember killzone 2...?Supa__Mario
Yup. What about it?

it was done on the power of the ps3.....kz 1 wasnt......gt4 wasnt.....etc...

What has killzone to do with this`?
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#102 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Yup. What about it?pyromaniac223
it was done on the power of the ps3.....kz 1 wasnt......gt4 wasnt.....etc...

The PS3 is not a godbox. KZ2 was done through the power of a ridiculously large budget and dev cycle combined with a technically proficient team. Not through the power of teh cell. Being on the PS3 doesn't make a game inherently better.

it was all of these things......but consider that GT5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....and what that will accomplish with the power of teh cell.....this is the trey lifestyle......we got used to quality since mgs4 set the standard....
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#103 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] it was done on the power of the ps3.....kz 1 wasnt......gt4 wasnt.....etc...Supa__Mario
The PS3 is not a godbox. KZ2 was done through the power of a ridiculously large budget and dev cycle combined with a technically proficient team. Not through the power of teh cell. Being on the PS3 doesn't make a game inherently better.

it was all of these things......but consider that GT5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....and what that will accomplish with the power of teh cell.....this is the trey lifestyle......we got used to quality since mgs4 set the standard....

Alrighty then. I am firmly convinced you are either a troll or are firmly entrenched in your war against rationality. Either way, arguing with you is going nowhere.
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#104 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] The PS3 is not a godbox. KZ2 was done through the power of a ridiculously large budget and dev cycle combined with a technically proficient team. Not through the power of teh cell. Being on the PS3 doesn't make a game inherently better.pyromaniac223
it was all of these things......but consider that GT5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....and what that will accomplish with the power of teh cell.....this is the trey lifestyle......we got used to quality since mgs4 set the standard....

Alrighty then. I am firmly convinced you are either a troll or are firmly entrenched in your war against rationality. Either way, arguing with you is going nowhere.

why...u mentioned big budget and dev cycle as reasons.....and well gt5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....so by your logic....wont that mean the same result...?.....by my logic it was hardware having to do a huge part with it.....either way both logics lead to the same conclusion...
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#105 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] it was all of these things......but consider that GT5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....and what that will accomplish with the power of teh cell.....this is the trey lifestyle......we got used to quality since mgs4 set the standard....Supa__Mario
Alrighty then. I am firmly convinced you are either a troll or are firmly entrenched in your war against rationality. Either way, arguing with you is going nowhere.

why...u mentioned big budget and dev cycle as reasons.....and well gt5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....so by your logic....wont that mean the same result...?.....by my logic it was hardware having to do a huge part with it.....either way both logics lead to the same conclusion...

You missed the technically proficient team. We have no idea if Polyphony will implement enough changes and additions to really separate itself from Forza, and implement them well. You also spouted a bunch of platitudes that people commonly use to mock Sony fans with. Leading me to the conclusion that you be trollin'
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#106 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Alrighty then. I am firmly convinced you are either a troll or are firmly entrenched in your war against rationality. Either way, arguing with you is going nowhere. pyromaniac223
why...u mentioned big budget and dev cycle as reasons.....and well gt5 has an even bigger budget and dev cycle.....so by your logic....wont that mean the same result...?.....by my logic it was hardware having to do a huge part with it.....either way both logics lead to the same conclusion...

You missed the technically proficient team. We have no idea if Polyphony will implement enough changes and additions to really separate itself from Forza, and implement them well. You also spouted a bunch of platitudes that people commonly use to mock Sony fans with. Leading me to the conclusion that you be trollin'

u mention teh cell so i was trying to humour u with it.....but anyways.....if your questioning whether or not there will be enough changes.....well the only thing that comes close to answering that at this point is history...and history tells us each GT game had a 20 point increase in average scores out of 100 over each of their respective prologues....in all cases since it was introduced after GT1 for GT2.......this time however it will be impossible to accomplish this feat. because the average score for this prologue was 85.....compared to all the others which were around 70....
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#107 -Snooze-
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Waiiit. So it's OK for GS tobribe us with a new emblem to vote for it, but when it's againts a SONY owned franchise, it's wrong?

Man, i'm loving Cows lately.

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#108 Chutebox
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Waiiit. So it's OK for GS tobribe us with a new emblem to vote for it, but when it's againts a SONY owned franchise, it's wrong?

Man, i'm loving Cows lately.

-Snooze-

No one is saying what GS did was ok. If you read through the thread, people condemn that too.

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#109 sahra_man
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Waiiit. So it's OK for GS tobribe us with a new emblem to vote for it, but when it's againts a SONY owned franchise, it's wrong?

Man, i'm loving Cows lately.

No one is saying what GS did was ok. If you read through the thread, people condemn that too.

why u always ppl mention gs as if it was an ideal exampel?!!....... and yeah BOTH GS AND FORZA DEVELOPERS ARE WRONG !!
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#110 Lance_Kalzas
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[QUOTE="sahra_man"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Waiiit. So it's OK for GS tobribe us with a new emblem to vote for it, but when it's againts a SONY owned franchise, it's wrong?

Man, i'm loving Cows lately.

No one is saying what GS did was ok. If you read through the thread, people condemn that too.

why u always ppl mention gs as if it was an ideal exampel?!!....... and yeah BOTH GS AND FORZA DEVELOPERS ARE WRONG !!

What's the big deal? It's just an emblem in GS's case and a virtual car in Forza 3's case. Who cares? I do not see what the big deal is regarding this at all. If I had a PS3 in addition to an Xbox 360, I would consider getting both. Historically speaking though, ever since the Forza series started, I have liked it a lot more than GT and I feel that it's taken the crown from GT.
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#111 clembo1990
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It's stupid how they are acting up. Forza is just a better series, no need to get all political.
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#112 Next-Gen-Tec
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I'll just leave this here...

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#113 CreepyBacon
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Waiiit. So it's OK for GS tobribe us with a new emblem to vote for it, but when it's againts a SONY owned franchise, it's wrong?

Man, i'm loving Cows lately.

Chutebox

No one is saying what GS did was ok. If you read through the thread, people condemn that too.

Well those that are crying over this better stop using hte internet. This type of thing is done..all over.

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#114 sahra_man
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its funny, Turn 10 beg ppl to vote for them, and they still lost lol a 2 year old game looks better looks better then a game that comes out this oct LMAO    spike6566

here is some 2 years old footage can u even compare? lol:)

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#115 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

The truth hurts. Polyphony's last titles were AA and A, yet Turn 10's were AAA's.

Funny you say that since GT won the poll.

That means Halo 3 is better than KZ2 without looking at scores.
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#116 The_Game21x
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This is just too much.

Polyphony Digital (specifically Kazunori Yamauchi) has been far more arrogant regarding the GT5 series in relation to other racing games than Turn 10 has ever been regarding Forza but I never saw thread after thread bashing PD for it. Seems the GT fanboys are just a little bit too sensitive about their series and can't seem to stand when it gets the slightest bit of criticism.

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#117 Alpha-Male22
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This is just too much.

Polyphony Digital (specifically Kazunori Yamauchi) has been far more arrogant regarding the GT5 series in relation to other racing games than Turn 10 has ever been regarding Forza but I never saw thread after thread bashing PD for it. Seems the GT fanboys are just a little bit too sensitive about their series and can't seem to stand when it gets the slightest bit of criticism.

The_Game21x
GT was never critisized. That's not what this thread is about. Nor is it about arrogance. The main point is that they tried to sway the polls. It backfired on them, but people are wondering why they would do something so petty.
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#118 yoshi_64
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This is just too much.

Polyphony Digital (specifically Kazunori Yamauchi) has been far more arrogant regarding the GT5 series in relation to other racing games than Turn 10 has ever been regarding Forza but I never saw thread after thread bashing PD for it. Seems the GT fanboys are just a little bit too sensitive about their series and can't seem to stand when it gets the slightest bit of criticism.

The_Game21x
Considering the "bribe" was on a forum for Forza fans, how does this qualify as a "bribe" again? Are people this arrogant to really see it's no damage to anything, and because it's not like Turn 10 even "cheated" a thing. It's like when GS offered us Webby emblems and points. Not to mention that it's the internet... if the Turn 10 rep didn't post it, then some random guy in the forum would have, after all this is the internet... I'm quite sick of this already, seriously people? Are we this dense to realize that it was just a little online poll that has almost no value to anything? GT won, but considering the games have like over 3 million fans, why not? Though I don't know how close the polls were, last I checked it was close before, Regardless, this is quite stupid... Turn 10 didn't do anything, and the people who whine and bicker about it are just taking in TOO much from this.
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#119 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This is just too much.

Polyphony Digital (specifically Kazunori Yamauchi) has been far more arrogant regarding the GT5 series in relation to other racing games than Turn 10 has ever been regarding Forza but I never saw thread after thread bashing PD for it. Seems the GT fanboys are just a little bit too sensitive about their series and can't seem to stand when it gets the slightest bit of criticism.

Alpha-Male22
GT was never critisized. That's not what this thread is about. Nor is it about arrogance. The main point is that they tried to sway the polls. It backfired on them, but people are wondering why they would do something so petty.

How is it petty? Is it because you just don't like the Forza team members, think the game isn't great, think they somehow were buying off votes with real incentives? Let me ask you, did you even for a second CONSIDER voting for Forza 3? Did you not care? If so why? Didn't you want a free unicorn? No? I guess it's perhaps cause you don't own the game maybe, or you don't care for racing sims, or you're a fan of GT? Regardless did this "incentive" which you probably didn't even know existed before it exploded on the internet, even change your mind, or give your mind a second of a pause to CONSIDER this entire "petty" incentive? If you said no to that, then I believe this whole "petty swaying" business was nothing more and nothing less. There was nothing "wrong" here but you fanboys like to take it up a level and make everything so big and disastrous.
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#120 Generalmojo
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Heres Turn10 after they realize GT5 isnt gona make it this year.

Seriously if PD is dead so would turn10 be, since they are 100% in for the competition :lol:

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#121 Generalmojo
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I'll just leave this here...

Next-Gen-Tec

LMAO, the care models look horrible compared to GT5p haha:lol:

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#122 Riverwolf007
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Poly can't make a game that has damage, friend list invites, or voice chat, (or release a game for that matter) am i supposed to be upset that the forza makers call poly out on being a second rate dev team???

now i have no idea if those things have been addressed yet since i don't hang out here often anymore but are we really supposed to cut them a break for past effort? if so then grats sony and poly you are doing great.

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#123 hy4k
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it'll be funny when GT5 hits in 3 years and is still inferior to forza
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#124 ganon546
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lol and GT5 still won. O well, I hope they both turn out well.

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#125 AAllxxjjnn
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This is so pathetic...that people ACTUALLY care this much about a stupid ass poll.
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#126 waynehead895
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I don't see a problem. It's just an internet poll. What's the big deal.
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#127 TREAL_Since
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This is so pathetic...that people ACTUALLY care this much about a stupid ass poll.AAllxxjjnn
Not just this poll. I'm getting sick of it all :(. 1.) The dumbass debate between Forza 3 and Gran Turismo 5. 2.) Turn 10's lame FM3 promotion strategy. 3.) Hardcore Forza fans downplaying GT at every "Turn" acting like Forza is infinitely better and has "beaten" GT twice. No, it was ONCE. 4.) GT fans acting like GT5 will destroy Forza 3 when they don't know anything about the game's full features.
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#128 TREAL_Since
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I don't see a problem. It's just an internet poll. What's the big deal.waynehead895
I don't think the poll itself is a BIG deal. Both Forza fans and GT fans going back and forward slinging mud and manure. It's ridiculous sometimes.
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#129 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This is just too much.

Polyphony Digital (specifically Kazunori Yamauchi) has been far more arrogant regarding the GT5 series in relation to other racing games than Turn 10 has ever been regarding Forza but I never saw thread after thread bashing PD for it. Seems the GT fanboys are just a little bit too sensitive about their series and can't seem to stand when it gets the slightest bit of criticism.

Alpha-Male22

GT was never critisized. That's not what this thread is about. Nor is it about arrogance. The main point is that they tried to sway the polls. It backfired on them, but people are wondering why they would do something so petty.

Turn 10 asked visitors of their forums to vote for them in an online poll and, in exchange, they would give them a rare car in the game. Based on the fact that they posted that thread in their own forums, one can logically assume that the majority of people who were visiting that forum were going to vote for Forza 3 anyway, the free car was just a bonus.


Again, I'm more shocked that people are making such a big deal out of something so small. This is not an event of any critical importance, even within the gaming community. It is an internet poll. The fact that people are getting so bent out of shape because of it is ridiculous.

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#130 DAZZER7
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I think it's really funny how people are accusing them of trying to "buy votes" with a unicorn. It should be obvious they are just letting their fans know that there is a poll and asking them for support, and doing it with a sense of humor. What a crime.pyromaniac223

This!

Some of you cows need to stop being so over-sensitive lol. It was on their own website and obviously they wanted their own fans to vote for their game :roll:

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#131 Wubba
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I believe the GT fanboys are going nuts because Turn10 has finally negated the last argument they had to stand on. Graphics. So with no where left to turn, they're grasping at straws for something to attack. The fact that numerous Forza3 pics have been doctored by GT fanboys to look worse only validates this belief.

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#132 TREAL_Since
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I believe the GT fanboys are going nuts because Turn10 has finally negated the last argument they had to stand on. Graphics. So with no where left to turn, they're grasping at straws for something to attack. The fact that numerous Forza3 pics have been doctored by GT fanboys to look worse only validates this belief.

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-PSJohn has been doctoring pics. :lol: He isn't real. He is a fakeboy. It's so obvious. - I wouldn't say FM3 looks better than GT5. But it looks damned good compared to Forza 2. After seeing the E3 GT5 trailer I'd say that it's really close. Another aspect of these games that we should hold off on until we know/see more.
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#133 The_Game21x
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I believe the GT fanboys are going nuts because Turn10 has finally negated the last argument they had to stand on. Graphics. So with no where left to turn, they're grasping at straws for something to attack. The fact that numerous Forza3 pics have been doctored by GT fanboys to look worse only validates this belief.

Wubba
This. While I wouldn't say Forza 3 looks better than GT5 in motion (we'll have to wait until both games are available to make that judgment call) the mere fact that the difference between the two is as small as it is is incredible.
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#134 Wubba
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[QUOTE="Wubba"]

I believe the GT fanboys are going nuts because Turn10 has finally negated the last argument they had to stand on. Graphics. So with no where left to turn, they're grasping at straws for something to attack. The fact that numerous Forza3 pics have been doctored by GT fanboys to look worse only validates this belief.

TREAL_Since

-PSJohn has been doctoring pics. :lol: He isn't real. He is a fakeboy. It's so obvious. - I wouldn't say FM3 looks better than GT5. But it looks damned good compared to Forza 2. After seeing the E3 GT5 trailer I'd say that it's really close. Another aspect of these games that we should hold off on until we know/see more.

You're right. GT5P looks great, GT5 will undoubtedly look great. I guess my point was that now there's at least an argument about which game looks better. That wasn't remotely true with Forza2. I also won't say that one looks better than the other at this point. Need to see real racing gameplay before I can judge, but I suspect I won't have any issues with the graphics of either game.

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#135 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Wubba"]

I believe the GT fanboys are going nuts because Turn10 has finally negated the last argument they had to stand on. Graphics. So with no where left to turn, they're grasping at straws for something to attack. The fact that numerous Forza3 pics have been doctored by GT fanboys to look worse only validates this belief.

Wubba

-PSJohn has been doctoring pics. :lol: He isn't real. He is a fakeboy. It's so obvious. - I wouldn't say FM3 looks better than GT5. But it looks damned good compared to Forza 2. After seeing the E3 GT5 trailer I'd say that it's really close. Another aspect of these games that we should hold off on until we know/see more.

You're right. GT5P looks great, GT5 will undoubtedly look great. I guess my point was that now there's at least an argument about which game looks better. That wasn't remotely true with Forza2. I also won't say that one looks better than the other at this point. Need to see real racing gameplay before I can judge, but I suspect I won't have any issues with the graphics of either game.

Agreed. An actual plausible Forza VS GT debate will not be possible until we find out everything for both games (graphics and full features). Gonna be interesting when that happens.

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#136 kozzy1234
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The truth hurts. Polyphony's last titles were AA and A, yet Turn 10's were AAA's.

BioShockOwnz

Yup, Forza2 has been king since GT has fallen off (GT1 and 2 are masterpeices, while GT3 was ok, GT4 and GT Prelude are horrible).