Whelp, there we have it. Microsoft's XBO dev confirms PS4 is stronger!!!

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Benny_Blakk

In addition to that, thus far the XBone has a more complicated architecture, combining ESRam with DDR3 as opposed to PS4 using only GDDR5. Perhaps the devs will master it, but its an unneccessary obsticle.

The final specs are not even out yet, strong rumours of an up clock and even more RAM on the internet. On paper the PS4 currently has more graphical power than the Xbox One, credit the guy for stating the obvious and not trying to hide it behind PR bull. All the previous generations show its not that important and its not going to change this generation.tdkmillsy

Neogaf insiders debunked both RAM increase and GPU upclock.

You don't even need to be an insider to know that both rumors are bogus. They make no sense. Why would they suddenly add more hardware before 4 months of release date? They should already be in the manufacturing stage. It's too late to upgrade the hardware.

Confirmed by CBOAT that Microsoft is having manufacturing yield issues. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by upclocking the GPU and making the yield rates lower than they already are? Do you think Microsoft is actively trying to get last place next gen?

you do realize Sony can use DX11xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Are you still living in the early 2000s?

GPUs can now be used for general computing. It's highly likely that part of the ONE's GPU is being used to help the CPU, as the CPU inside the ONE is weaksauce.

xboxiphoneps3

As for "more mature", I do recall an interview with Cerny where he stated that development (or at least early planning) for the PS4 began back in 2008. On the same token, I'm not too sure that MS was actively drafting anything for their next gen console that far back. I may be wrong.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]you do realize Sony can use DX11superclocked

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/159476-ps4-runs-orbis-os-a-modified-version-of-freebsd-thats-similar-to-linux

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...superclocked

In addition to that, thus far the XBone has a more complicated architecture, combining ESRam with DDR3 as opposed to PS4 using only GDDR5. Perhaps the devs will master it, but its an unneccessary obsticle.

Some interesting stuff there "The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make." That's pretty insane, so does that mean they could potentially have a $250 console if they removed it?bobbetybob

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

it can be more powerful it's not like it makes any difference.

it should be pretty self evident that if power was really important everone on here would be a pc gamer.

people play consoles because of the games they can get on them.

power arguments are just masturbation fodder for nerds like us and have no connection to reality.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Some interesting stuff there "The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make." That's pretty insane, so does that mean they could potentially have a $250 console if they removed it?BeardMaster

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

OP lol

The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...superclocked

The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...superclocked

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Some interesting stuff there "The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make." That's pretty insane, so does that mean they could potentially have a $250 console if they removed it?Sonysexual1

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Some interesting stuff there "The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make." That's pretty insane, so does that mean they could potentially have a $250 console if they removed it?Sonysexual1

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...clr84651

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

[QUOTE="Badosh"]Still don't know the rules? Sonysexual1

TEH RULLEZ!!! WHY U NO FOLLOW TEH RULEZ!!! :cry:

System Wars is a joke. Nobody but a few no-life posters here care about levels.

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

 

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

Scipio8

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

Well, it's great for making you look like a fool.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Andrew_House

Raw power is just that raw, the PS4 is uncooked dude

[QUOTE="Scipio8"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

Sonysexual1

Well, it's great for making you look like a fool.

No ones gonna notice you in your moms basement

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="Scipio8"] Yeah but Blu-Ray did jack all for gaming, Kinect 2.0 may actually add function to gamesScipio8

Well, it's great for making you look like a fool.

No ones gonna notice you in your moms basement

See, even with kinect, the 360 is selling significantly less than the PS3. Microsoft should never have included kinect this gen. It's a novelty that wore off very quickly.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...clr84651

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Sonysexual1

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

superclocked

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

:| What?

Jaguar CPUs are relatively low power. You don't need expensive cooling to run it. The ONE's cooling system is for the ginormous, overheating eSRAM it has. That's why Microsoft is having yield issues.

SONY made a ton of wise architectural decisions that not only makes the PS4 stronger than the ONE, but also far less expensive to manufacture.

Microsoft needed to add in the move engines to move data between the slow main memory pool and the eSRAM, but the PS4's unified high bandiwdth RAM architectures means no move engines are necessary.

eSRAM is needed to combat the low bandwidth of the DDR3 main memory, but its usage is still ineffective compared to having 8 GB of high bandwidth RAM. eSRAM adds to the total BoM and takes up a huge space in the APU.

Face it, SONY outsmarted Microsoft.

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

Sonysexual1

:| What?

Jaguar CPUs are relatively low power. The ONE's cooling system is for the ginormous, overheating eSRAM it has. That's why Microsoft is having yield issues.

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has a much better cooler than the PS4. If one is going to be clocked higher, it will not be the PS4...superclocked

:| What?

Jaguar CPUs are relatively low power. The ONE's cooling system is for the ginormous, overheating eSRAM it has. That's why Microsoft is having yield issues.

Confirmed by CBOAT. That's all you need to know.

"Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train 

ucan remo.ve RUMUR frmo hte thread tittle TEAMMOD. esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

truthfact.


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREBEAT.

theyMSrushed. --caughtoutbysonychangs. leadershitfailure.p."

Rough translation:

"Mods, you can remove "rumor" from the title. ESRAM yields are "troubling", to put it lightly.

This is factual truth.

Btw, you won't hear tech talk at MS' conference. And the tech cannot change at this point. They're stuck with it.

MS rushed, they were caught off guard by Sony, due to a failure in leadership."

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[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...seanmcloughlin

I don't think cows understand diminishing returns.

They think the Xbox One being 33% less powerful means PS4 games are going to look 33% better.

Yep, this too.

They forget that games are made for the lowest common denominator. Exclusives should look pretty good though

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

that also stuck out to me. i thought MS was being greedy buttholes and trying to make a profit off the console as i think i remember hearing the first kinect only cost about 60 bucks to make.

 

but if the kinect costs almost as much as the console it must be packing some serious tech over the first one, and ms is probably breaking even at best on each console sold. actually makes the x1 more attractive knowing there is that much value in the box.

Scipio8

Just because something costs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of practical value.

Remember the PS3's blu-ray player?

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

1.8 TFLOPS with PS4's GPU is 50% more than 1.2 TFLOPS than X1's GPU. Then PS4's GDDR5 RAM is better than X1's GDDR3 RAM. CPU's are equal. 

superclocked

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Not if the CPU clockspeeds of the PS4 turn out to be 2.0 GHz.

xboxiphoneps3

It has a really huge fan and a ton of vents. I'd say the cooling is better.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has a much better cooler than the PS4. If one is going to be clocked higher, it will not be the PS4...Sonysexual1

It has a really huge fan and a ton of vents. I'd say the cooling is better.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has a much better cooler than the PS4. If one is going to be clocked higher, it will not be the PS4...Sonysexual1

It has a really huge fan and a ton of vents. I'd say the cooling is better.

The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...superclocked

It is making no difference and it's not going to make any difference in the future either. Regardless of specs, Xbox One is better engineered.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Baurus_1

It is making no difference and it's not going to make any difference in the future either. Regardless of specs, Xbox One is better engineered.

Yeah, all that wasted space and being the size of a 1990s VCR. Truly an engineering marvel.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Baurus_1

It is making no difference and it's not going to make any difference in the future either. Regardless of specs, Xbox One is better engineered.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Sonysexual1

same guy who said familyshare is not a 60 minute demo and its a full game played essentially, so him or cboat ?  cboat says it was a demo,   I bet this guy to be honest.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Sonysexual1

I don't need anyone to tell me which is stronger,I've seen the specs myself.

PS4 wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...xboxiphoneps3

It is making no difference and it's not going to make any difference in the future either. Regardless of specs, Xbox One is better engineered.

Have you seen his posts? I can tell you that he defiantely is.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One GPU is only 33% less powerful than the PS4's GPU. It's not going to make a huge difference...Baurus_1

It is making no difference and it's not going to make any difference in the future either. Regardless of specs, Xbox One is better engineered.

the most futuristic device on the planet, thank you i love the new microsoft leader....  oh yeah

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

true win of a post, cows are just not taking everything into account, plus they never give credit when credit due.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Sonysexual1

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Don't try to discuss reason with Cows. They just never learn, even after the disaster-of-a-console the PS3 was. They will get their PS4s and then cry when multiplat and exclusive graphics end up being better on the Xbox One.

I don't need anyone to tell me which is stronger,I've seen the specs myself.

PS4 wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OneInchMan99

Bu bu but teh cloud is supposed to make up for XB1's inferior specs :cry:

Why is this a big deal? I thought it was known that PS4 had DDR5?

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

clone01

I care because I want to spend my money on the most powerful console I can. I have a decent gaming PC, but these consoles will prove to be more powerful than the PC I currently have and will also last me much longer than a standard gaming PC. Not to mention the fact that I actually do enjoy playing on the couch over the Desk (no I dont have the ability to move my computer to the TV, don't bother suggesting that as I have many uses for it outside of gaming). Fact is, the Xbone is $100 more expensive and yet a weaker system. I don't find that to be remotely acceptable.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

argetlam00

I care because I want to spend my money on the most powerful console I can. I have a decent gaming PC, but these consoles will prove to be more powerful than the PC I currently have and will also last me much longer than a standard gaming PC. Not to mention the fact that I actually do enjoy playing on the couch over the Desk (no I dont have the ability to move my computer to the TV, don't bother suggesting that as I have many uses for it outside of gaming). Fact is, the Xbone is $100 more expensive and yet a weaker system. I don't find that to be remotely acceptable.