When did consoles make the transition from innovation to gimmicks?

Older consoles were all about innovation. From the design and evolution of the controllers (the addition of analog sticks and triggers) to the transition and evolution of 2D/isometric graphics to 3D graphics, with each new iteration, consoles genuinely looked and played better.

On the other hand, newer consoles are focused more on gimmicks rather than actual innovation. Last generation's gimmick of motion controlled gaming is being dropped in favor of touchscreen gaming, and when the next generation comes, touchscreen gaming will be dropped in favor of the next big gimmick. How are consoles supposed to evolve if developers keep focusing on dead end gimmicks that don't improve the way we play games? Why are developers focused more on gimmicks rather than innovating what we currently have? When did the transition from innovation to gimmicks occur?

How are you level 17 with hardly any posts? also everything new is a "gimmick" to gamers so its hard to tell what you mean.

Modern consoles :lol:

The next gen is going to be hilarious, they really will be the poor man's PC.  DRM, no used games, internet required (and not just for a few games, ALL games), fees for online and all of that with p1ss poor specs and no innovation.

Gimmicks... gimmicks... a term so overused I don't even know its exact meaning anymore...

How are you level 17 with hardly any posts? also everything new is a "gimmick" to gamers so its hard to tell what you mean.

osirisx3

Motion gaming ended up being a gimmick.

Analog sticks did not.

Get it?

Gimmicks... gimmicks... a term so overused I don't even know its exact meaning anymore...

Rocker6

An interesting/quirky feature that helps the product stand out, but is essentially useless and ends up being forgotten.  Motion gaming for example.

blame Nintendo for that. The bastards ruined gaming for everybody. The only ones that care for gaming are Sony because even M$ is all about robbing you and it's clear when you compare PS+ to XBL Gold and its insane failure rate.

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How are you level 17 with hardly any posts? also everything new is a "gimmick" to gamers so its hard to tell what you mean.

Jankarcop

Motion gaming ended up being a gimmick.

Analog sticks did not.

Get it?

how are motion controls a gimmick when every console has them incorporated now and forever?

Gimmicks... gimmicks... a term so overused I don't even know its exact meaning anymore...

Rocker6

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Gimmicks... gimmicks... a term so overused I don't even know its exact meaning anymore...

Jankarcop

An interesting/quirky feature that helps the product stand out, but is essentially useless and ends up being forgotten.  Motion gaming for example.

Fair enough, though "essentially useless" leaves a lot of room for personal interpretation. Take your motion gaming example, while you consider it useless and forgetable, fact of the matter is, it stuck with the industry, Ninty and MS capitalized on it with Wii and Kinect, which brought them lots of money. Judging by the rumors, MS is planning to pursue the direction even further...

Among the "casual" audience, it's a big hit and an important feature, just like many PC gamers consider Oculus Rift an important and potentially game-changing feature, while console gamers could easily call it a gimmick...

Kinect 2.0 is mandatory for a next gen experience...not a gimmick. :)

how are motion controls a gimmick when every console has them incorporated now and forever?

KBFloYd

Completely irrelevant. Derp

Everything is a Gimmick in someones eyes. Your variation of innovation sounds completely different to mine while your variation of innovation is little more than a gimmick.dobzilian

It's not subjective. If something is a gimmick, then it's a gimmick regardless of whether or not you agree.

Like Articuno76 said, we can determine if something is a gimmick based on how its adopted and implemented. The fact that Nintendo and Sony are dropping motion controlled gaming in favor of touchscreen gaming is a clear indicator that motion controlled gaming was nothing more than a gimmick and not actual innovation. If developers had stuck with it and refined it over the years to improve the way we play games, then it would count as innovation. That isn't the case obviously. On the other hand, things like analog sticks and 3D graphics aren't gimmicks. They've genuinely improved the way we play games over the years.

I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

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how are motion controls a gimmick when every console has them incorporated now and forever?

N30F3N1X

Completely irrelevant. Derp

if it's irrevelant then why even waste the money to incorporate them?

I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

1080pOnly

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

speedfreak48t5p

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all. Argument invalidated.

:lol:

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how are motion controls a gimmick when every console has them incorporated now and forever?

KBFloYd

Completely irrelevant. Derp

if it's irrevelant then why even waste the money to incorporate them?

Do you actually have a clue of what the words you glued together mean?

When 25% of America's moms bought a Wii when they saw it on Dr. Phill. Idiots.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

1080pOnly

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

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Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

1080pOnly

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

Link to said blog for a good laugh.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

Apparently that statement includes you too...

Gimmick is subjective.

Motion gaming is not a gimmick as it is useful for some types of games, physical games, dance games, fitness games etc. You may not be interested but some people are.

I think we can call tablet controllers unanimously a gimmick, it doesn't really help anything.

When I was %100 PC gamer I used to think rumble was a gimmick, now I can't play anything without it, I use a mouse it's like "why isn't the rumble working! oh forgot, it's just a mouse."

Sixaxis was a gimmick until I used it in heavy rain, now I think it's a pretty cool feature if used to good effect.

NES gun controller was a gimmick until Duck Hunt.

I think PC gamers see alot of things as gimmicks because they either never get to try it or are closed-minded about it, "grumble grumble stupid controllers with auto-aim, mouse is better" but once you get used to it a controller is soooooo comfortable for FPS and alot of things even tho it's naturally difficult to aim with your thumbs, hence the aim assist.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

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Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

1080pOnly

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

Ya ya....keep being a cyber bully all you want. It's easy to do when you guys have the anonomity of the internet to hide behind.

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Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

StrongBlackVine

You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

Link to said blog for a good laugh.

I'd love to but he made his profile 'friends only' and thus no one has access.  The gist is that he is a 'survivalist' who believes the end is nigh and that we should all prepare for it.  He thinks he's some tough guy, hence the veiled threats, and that karate or some sh1t will save his ass.  It was proper tin-foil hat stuff and utterly hilarious.  

I'm sure he'll deny it though, hopefully others remember it too.

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You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

1080pOnly

Link to said blog for a good laugh.

I'd love to but he made his profile 'friends only' and thus no one has access.  The gist is that he is a 'survivalist' who believes the end is nigh and that we should all prepare for it.  He thinks he's some tough guy, hence the veiled threats, and that karate or some sh1t will save his ass.  It was proper tin-foil hat stuff and utterly hilarious.  

I'm sure he'll deny it though, hopefully others remember it too.

Sure do. Shadowmoses is one crazy nutcase.

And LOL at Shadowmoses getting upset at people "acting tough" when he has talked about killing people in his own blog.

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I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900

Sorry but it's clear you don't think at all.  Argument invalidated.

Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

that's right warrior anger blog boy, you tell 'em!

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Yes everyone on SW thinks they're so tough.....it sure is easy to laugh at someone when you're hiding behind a computer screen.

ShadowMoses900

You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

Ya ya....keep being a cyber bully all you want. It's easy to do when you guys have the anonomity of the internet to hide behind.

Ooooo flex those muscles for me! You wouldn't be so butt hurt if you hadn't been such a massive pr1ck in the past.  See how I say past? I give you the chance for redemption .... I have that power, if you wish it.

Settle down chodes, this is system war not fanboy war.

There's no reason to get personal.

Sure do. Shadowmoses is one crazy nutcase.

And LOL at Shadowmoses getting upset at people "acting tough" when he has talked about killing people in his own blog.

MozartXVI

Omg i'd forgotten about that, priceless!

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You clearly have no idea about SW.

Now get back to digging holes to hide your tins in, the apocalpyse is coming! Or have you forgotten your own blog you nutcase.

1080pOnly

Ya ya....keep being a cyber bully all you want. It's easy to do when you guys have the anonomity of the internet to hide behind.

Ooooo flex those muscles for me! You wouldn't be so butt hurt if you hadn't been such a massive pr1ck in the past.  See how I say past? I give you the chance for redemption .... I have that power, if you wish it.

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

The only thing gimmicky to me is motion controls and the Wii U gamepad. Nintendo seems to be the Gimmicker or gimmicky trend setter. 

Gimmick is subjective.

Motion gaming is not a gimmick as it is useful for some types of games, physical games, dance games, fitness games etc. You may not be interested but some people are.

I think we can call tablet controllers unanimously a gimmick, it doesn't really help anything.

When I was %100 PC gamer I used to think rumble was a gimmick, now I can't play anything without it, I use a mouse it's like "why isn't the rumble working! oh forgot, it's just a mouse."

Sixaxis was a gimmick until I used it in heavy rain, now I think it's a pretty cool feature if used to good effect.

NES gun controller was a gimmick until Duck Hunt.

I think PC gamers see alot of things as gimmicks because they either never get to try it or are closed-minded about it, "grumble grumble stupid controllers with auto-aim, mouse is better" but once you get used to it a controller is soooooo comfortable for FPS and alot of things even tho it's naturally difficult to aim with your thumbs, hence the aim assist.

ZombieKiller7

I love how people cry about new control schemes.

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

ShadowMoses900

I'm dying over here! :lol:

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Ya ya....keep being a cyber bully all you want. It's easy to do when you guys have the anonomity of the internet to hide behind.

ShadowMoses900

Ooooo flex those muscles for me! You wouldn't be so butt hurt if you hadn't been such a massive pr1ck in the past.  See how I say past? I give you the chance for redemption .... I have that power, if you wish it.

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

Oh god my sides :lol:

Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

ShadowMoses900

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

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Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

1080pOnly

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

I have been threatened by people on here. They usually send me them in messages on PSN or to my Youtube account talking about how they want to put me in an oven and want will hurt me and my family if they ever find me. I am pretty certain who these people are, you're probably one of them.

Like I said, keep laughing behind the safety of your computer where there are no physical consequnces for being an internet assh0le.

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Actually if I really wanted to I suppose I could make a case for cyber bullying against some of you guys. If you live in the US you might want to check your state laws, some of them do extend to gaming forums and the like and there could be serious consequences.

As for my "end of the world rant" I simply stated that it's best to be prepared just in case of an emergency. Such as a national disaster or the like, not that I am convinced that something like that would happen. But it's good to be safe and make sure you have extra food and guns etc....

1080pOnly

No, no you couldn't.  Lets for a moment put aside the fact that you would be laughed out of court because any investigation would uncover your 'killer instict' (makes me lol just thinking about it) and imagine the evidence you would present:

You: Waahh Waahh I posted some nonsense on an internet forum and some dudes laughed at me for being an idiot!! Help me hurt them!!

Judge: Did they actually threaten you?

You: Noooo... but they was mean and I was hurt....can you salve my butt even though I was the one threatening to kill people?

Judge: No, you are an idiot and I sentence you to a life of ridicule on the internet.

You: WAAAHHH! Not even a finger tip of butt salve to ease my pain? Bu bu bu bu I was bullied!!

Judge: Shut up, even I hate you.  Now crawl back under that rock you came from and take your ownage like a man! If you can.

omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

but really, no judge is that patient. one look at one of the forum transcripts and he'd be like "gtfo my court you lying sack of garbage."

When the 360 came out.

I think consoles are just fine, thank you.

ShadowMoses900