When was the last xbox AAAE that wasnt halo, gears or forza?

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#152 Captainqwark10
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@sts106mat said:

@SolidTy: the forum has been a joke for years, ever since the original TOU were relaxed. Before that people had no choice but to debate and use facts in their arguments, it made for a much more stimulating forum.

The way i've seen it for the last 4 years or so, its too easy to just say "XXXX you are a dickhead" because that is generally all you get in response anyway.

this forum has some good users, and news breaks fast here, but its no way near as interesting as it used to be.

and lets face it, most threads are just full of pure bullshit, long quote chains and circular arguments....who wants to take that seriously ?

Its gone too long and i dont think there is any going back.

in short, people cant be bothered to do it properly anymore, I know i can't. I can just come for a laugh and some news

Yes those facts like those Fable 3 leaves.

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#153 Livecommander
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@delta3074: Lol imagine if xbox came in 1995 and had hanheld systems. That milk score wuddnt look pretty and you know it. 5 extra years plus handheld spin off milks. So yea... you tried tho.

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#155 misterpmedia
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@sts106mat said:

yes i did, I also know what your game is. you are an attention seeking turd that likes to keep people replying to them, whilst you pretend to be intellectually above them.

Do us all a favour and piss off.

You don't know anything. This much has been proven time and time again. This comment is no exception. I really hope you don't speak for everyone, slightly insulting for those people lol. Damn, those insults. When a lem goes all out!

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#156  Edited By delta3074
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@Livecommander said:

@delta3074: Lol imagine if xbox came in 1995 and had hanheld systems. That milk score wuddnt look pretty and you know it. 5 extra years plus handheld spin off milks. So yea... you tried tho.

I didn't though did it. my point is Grounded in REALITY whereas your point is based in CLOUD CUCKOO LAND, i didn't just try, i succeeded because the conditions on which you say i failed (xbox had a handheld) do not exist

You can not say somebody has tried and failed based on Parameters and conditions that just don't exist you muppet.

Gotta love cows

'Lets move the goalposts by theoretically changing the past so we can WIN'

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#158  Edited By misterpmedia
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@sts106mat said:

i know enough.

Which isn't a lot, unfortunately. Rest of your comment was nonsense.

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#160 Captainqwark10
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@sts106mat said:

@Captainqwark10: fable 3 is a bit before your time no?

What?

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#161  Edited By misterpmedia
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@sts106mat Says the one who started it by calling me an idiot LOL Logic faux-pas and now irony. You are gold today.

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#163  Edited By Snugenz
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@SolidTy said:

You were wrong, exposed again lacking integrity, a hypocrite, and now you are raging like a hormone fueled teen that continues off topic assaults. It's obvious to all.

I was polite, you transformed into a nasty, angsty teen with presumably itchy acne on your man-tits. If I guessed correctly, I get why you are so very upset with all the childish trolling.

Depressing how low you've sunk to defend your precious Xbawks. When you see 3 lemmings trying to help you by attacking the user instead of arguing the merits of a post, you know you've hit the bottom.

You veered so far off topic to troll and flame because :

A.) XBAWKS!!

B.) Unable to come to terms with numbers and logic.

Either way, I was polite and you chose to lash out once your mind had been compromised with a dose, 20CCs, of reality.es.

Y U Mad, tho?

You have no credibility, you're just a troll cow who spews hatred and insults at anyone who doesn't tow the company line (YAY SONY). When you get called out you resort to personal attacks and really really immature name calling (man-tits seriously, are you 12?).

I'm not a fanboy of anything that much is completely obvious from my post history, your Sony fanboyism on the other hand is blatantly obvious.

So for my final post on this matter here's the actual truth, something that clearly bothers you, but **** it why not.

  • Wasn't defending Xbox, you asked a question, i took it as an honest question and answered it, i even added what Delta missed as to be fair. This didn't make you happy though as you asked that question with your troll cow agenda, and, you succeded as i took the bait.
  • Then you asked how he got the GoW numbers, i again, being very foolish took this question as somewhat genuine and found where he got his numbers. This also didn't fit your cow agenda so you called the site unreliable and listed the Halo wiki page and it's inaccurate list.
  • The GoW was a more accurate list than the Halo one as it was counting individual releases in the franchise, yes some of the collections had the same games in them but they were still seperate retail/digital items.
  • This didn't sit well with your agenda and this is where you started the name calling and more blatantly obvious trolling, trying to claim that Spartan Assault should count 4 times, for no reason other than to conform to your fanboy idea of fairness??.
  • It was at this point that i said, **** it i'm done with the SolidTy fanboy tactics and i'm out.

I got mad because honestly i'm off work today, was waiting for a delivery and it didn't arrive on time and it's a rare very sunny day here in Ireland so i wanted to get out and enjoy that sun, instead i was stuck inside waiting on a delivery man and reading posts from man-child fanboy like you.

Which is why i then decided not to continue reading your bullshit posts and well, be honest in that i think you're a scumbag, which is why i added that personal attack to my "i'm out" post, and while i shouldn't have sunk to your level i stand by it, you're a ****, in every meaning of the word.

So you see it doesn't matter if you have a solid argument or not (which you didn't in this case), even if i agreed with it i'd probably still call you a twat, because you are one and that's how it is.

Take care now, bubye.

P.S. Can't believe i've been forced to make a SolidTwat-ish essay, thanks for yet another reason to dislike you.

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#164 Midnightshade29
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wow, the lem hiding as a hermit is salty.. good job solid , ur point is proven. That list was rigged. Adding portable games and collections to inflate numbers of the ps side while not on the Xbox side.

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#165  Edited By Snugenz
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@Midnightshade29 said:

wow, the lem hiding as a hermit is salty.. good job solid , ur point is proven. That list was rigged. Adding portable games and collections to inflate numbers of the ps side while not on the Xbox side.

Not a lem, nor am i a hermit, 0 for 0 cow. Look at all these cows coming to SolidTy's aid, what a coinkydink, actually...

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#166  Edited By bforrester420
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@charizard1605 said:

@joel_c17 said:
@The_Last_Ride said:

@charizard1605 said:

Just so you know, this exact same thing was also true of Sony until last night. Calm down and don't get too ahead of yourself- Microsoft may just score a AAA new retail IP with Quantum Break or Scalebound this year.

Which games? Uncharted, Little Big Planet, The Last Of Us, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War III, Journey, Ico, Shadow of the Colussus, Demon Souls, etc

Yeah pretty ignorant post by charizard - expect more from a mod

Let's see:

Uncharted: 2007

LittleBigPlanet: 2008

The Last of Us: AAE, doesn't count

Metal Gear Solid 4: Third party

God of War III: sequel

Journey: Not retail, doesn't count by this thread's definition and rules

Shadow of the Colossus and ICO: PS2 games, one of them dating back to 2001

Demon's Souls: 2009

So basically, the newest AAA retail IP for PS3 that you can name that came from Sony is 2009, six years ago.

Ignorant? It looks like everyone else is right, Sony fans seem to be getting too far ahead of themselves because they have one game.

I know that only GS scores count, but Gamespot criminally underscored The Last of Us, especially considering how overwhelmingly positive it was received by the rest of the gaming media. For this meta game nonsense we play here, yeah, AAE, but in reality that game was AAA-AAAAE.

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#167 ProtossX
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at the rate xb1 is going never

they need a triple AAA game yesterday

Sunset OD was 8/10 and Forza is a racing game on 360 first

If people want a racing game they just pick up a PC or Mario Kart nobody wants to play forza

it needs a bloodborne it cant last 9 more months without a triple AAA it doesn't need take years to build games they already had 1-2 full years now its where are the triple aaa sony brought bloodborne microsoft is not turning this game around at all

the ps4 is playing amazing multiplats and great first party bloodborne microsoft u aren't delivering on any level be professional invest in games stop marketing the system build games like sony

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#168 Livecommander
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@delta3074: lol just cuz your point is "grounded in reality" doesnt make it a good point. Even if its technically right. i simply showed the unblanced environment that you tried to compared them in. with Your logic if i score 200 points in a season. Then micheal jordan comes with 2 months left scores 185 in the season. Let me guess it still makes sense to call me the better scorer huh ? @delta3074: Lol imagine if xbox came in 1995 and had hanheld systems. That milk score wuddnt look pretty and you know it. 5 extra years plus handheld spin off milks. So yea... you tried tho.

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#169  Edited By SolidTy
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@Midnightshade29 said:

wow, the lem hiding as a hermit is salty.. good job solid , ur point is proven. That list was rigged. Adding portable games and collections to inflate numbers of the ps side while not on the Xbox side.

Merci Beaucoup Midnight! :P

I appreciate the sentiment and your ability to reason the numbers out with ease. It's really not hard when you take the fanboy goggles off. :P

@Snugenz said:

@SolidTy said:

You were wrong, exposed again lacking integrity, a hypocrite, and now you are raging like a hormone fueled teen that continues off topic assaults. It's obvious to all.

I was polite, you transformed into a nasty, angsty teen with presumably itchy acne on your man-tits. If I guessed correctly, I get why you are so very upset with all the childish trolling.

Depressing how low you've sunk to defend your precious Xbawks. When you see 3 lemmings trying to help you by attacking the user instead of arguing the merits of a post, you know you've hit the bottom.

You veered so far off topic to troll and flame because :

A.) XBAWKS!!

B.) Unable to come to terms with numbers and logic.

Either way, I was polite and you chose to lash out once your mind had been compromised with a dose, 20CCs, of reality.es.

Y U Mad, tho?

You have no credibility, you're just a troll cow who spews hatred and insults at anyone who doesn't tow the company line (YAY SONY). When you get called out you resort to personal attacks and really really immature name calling (man-tits seriously, are you 12?).

I'm not a fanboy of anything that much is completely obvious from my post history, your Sony fanboyism on the other hand is blatantly obvious.

So for my final post on this matter here's the actual truth, something that clearly bothers you, but **** it why not.

  • Wasn't defending Xbox, you asked a question, i took it as an honest question and answered it, i even added what Delta missed as to be fair. This didn't make you happy though as you asked that question with your troll cow agenda, and, you succeded as i took the bait. (I sought TRUTH, that was my agenda. You sought to cover up Delta's and your mistake. That's not HONEST.)
  • Then you asked how he got the GoW numbers, i again, being very foolish took this question as somewhat genuine and found where he got his numbers. This also didn't fit your cow agenda so you called the site unreliable and listed the Halo wiki page and it's inaccurate list. (Use Wiki, I don't care. My point was the same, Use the SAME STANDARDS FOR BOTH GAMES! It's not that hard to figure out if you would stop being a lemming for a second... ;))
  • The GoW was a more accurate list than the Halo one as it was counting individual releases in the franchise, yes some of the collections had the same games in them but they were still seperate retail/digital items. (Do you believe this Bullshit you type? Why would the GOW count due to retail and digital items and PC copies of Halo which WERE ALSO Retail and digital NOT COUNT? ARE YOU NUTZ?)
  • This didn't sit well with your agenda and this is where you started the name calling and more blatantly obvious trolling, trying to claim that Spartan Assault should count 4 times, for no reason other than to conform to your fanboy idea of fairness??. (You have an agenda, dumb dumb! Either that or you've gone full mental.)
  • It was at this point that i said, **** it i'm done with the SolidTy fanboy tactics and i'm out.

I got mad because honestly i'm off work today, was waiting for a delivery and it didn't arrive on time and it's a rare very sunny day here in Ireland so i wanted to get out and enjoy that sun, instead i was stuck inside waiting on a delivery man and reading posts from man-child fanboy like you.

Which is why i then decided not to continue reading your bullshit posts and well, be honest in that i think you're a scumbag, which is why i added that personal attack to my "i'm out" post, and while i shouldn't have sunk to your level i stand by it, you're a ****, in every meaning of the word.

So you see it doesn't matter if you have a solid argument or not (which you didn't in this case), even if i agreed with it i'd probably still call you a twat, because you are one and that's how it is.

Take care now, bubye.

P.S. Can't believe i've been forced to make a SolidTwat-ish essay, thanks for yet another reason to dislike you.

Hahahaha....U MAD Snuggy! You copied and pasted my own expresssions that I used in this thread. Cute, it's another glorious tribute to me.

Your posting history has always been Super PRO XBOX you first appeared in SW years ago, LOLlipop. I remember it years ago just like I do today, oops! You spoke about your love of the original Xbox, the DUKE controller, the 360, etc. I never cared, but you actually seem to pay too lip service to yourself off with those fanboy lips! Xbox this, Cows are the devil, and 360 that. Whatever. You got a PS3 later.

ALSO, you started the name calling, dipshi* ;). You got mad and tried to get personal because every time you tried to cover your tracks I was ready with a reply and it annoyed you. Why couldn't I just accept lies as the truth? Go back to page one and look at you being an complete and utter a**hole (like you are to other users) just because you didn't like me buying into the BS you were shooting out. Then all the raging? You should get some therapy, lmaonade.

Here's your integrity on display:

@Snugenz said:

Incoming SolidTy troll essay, i'm not gonna read it though lol.

Oh yes you will!...and you did. :P

You kept saying you were done in this thread...you lied! mucho integrity!

I don't blame ya, I'm one hell of a writer. I love reading my stuff too. Typical lack of integrity though Snuggy!

You try so hard to get so personal about videogaming...it's quite pathetic. People are scumbags because they don't love Xbawks the way you do? You are one of the most intolerant lemmings on this board apparently. I haven't seen a meltdown like this since KBFloyd freaked out about Nintendo. You are tarnishing yourself but good. Your attempts to get personal and mean spirited, are in poor taste but they do leave me giddy as a schoolgirl, giggling as I type this, gracias por la risa.

I kept it clean, above the belt, and asked legit questions, but you lack the comprehension required and decided to hypocritically troll and flame first. Then after being a douche, you tell me I was trolling, Lawligator. Sure, I can retailiate and defend myself, but it's real simple, you ran away from the FACTS.

I certainly never attempted to call you a scumbag loser that you pretend to be on the boards, or a C-word, whatever. Nanny nanny boo boo!

Another shoutout to math wizard, Midnightshade! :P

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Easy breakdown once again:

@SolidTy said:

@Snugenz said:

From Wiki.

You are using EVERY SINGLE GOW RELEASE. That's FINE. Use them. Just remember to do THE SAME THING for Halo. Any and all retail and digital sold games right? Yeah. Exactly, PC games are sold too, lawligagging.

My PC just did a bunch of Windows updates right in the middle of my discussion here. haha.

Anyways, Wiki is not a good source as it is relying on some other persons counts, but you should have noticed a problem when taking that screen grab. That wiki edited weekly list counts the GOW collection twice, once for Vita and once for PS3 and of course counted the mobile games. It also counts God of War Saga which is just the same PS3 games in a package already released individually. Odd to count Saga, but let's go with it. Let's really stretch GOW to the limit. That's fine to literally count every game, even if they are the same GOW game on a different platforms and even repeatedly count the same GOW games released on the same platform, but if that's how he's going to play it we should do the same for Halo ports on other platforms.

That should have been done for Halo:

---

  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

If we remove Halo 5 for being unreleased and I Love Bees (which I already said was a stretch) for being a strange Marketing tool (much like Uncharted's Drake's Trail which I assume he counted though), that leaves Halo with 14-16 titles.

If we cut through the BS, there is more Halo games. If we count all the BS, there is more Halo games.

You want to count RETAIL and DIGITAL GAMES FOR ALL GOW AND HALO GAMES? Do so!

PC games are DIGITAL and RETAIL too you know, just like VITA games are. You are pretending PC doesn't count but VIta and PSP do which is a lemming BS agenda.

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@ProtossX said:

at the rate xb1 is going never

they need a triple AAA game yesterday

Sunset OD was 8/10 and Forza is a racing game on 360 first

If people want a racing game they just pick up a PC or Mario Kart nobody wants to play forza

it needs a bloodborne it cant last 9 more months without a triple AAA it doesn't need take years to build games they already had 1-2 full years now its where are the triple aaa sony brought bloodborne microsoft is not turning this game around at all

the ps4 is playing amazing multiplats and great first party bloodborne microsoft u aren't delivering on any level be professional invest in games stop marketing the system build games like sony

...it needs a niche RPG game? that would seem like an odd choice

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#171 ProtossX
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@lostrib said:

@ProtossX said:

at the rate xb1 is going never

they need a triple AAA game yesterday

Sunset OD was 8/10 and Forza is a racing game on 360 first

If people want a racing game they just pick up a PC or Mario Kart nobody wants to play forza

it needs a bloodborne it cant last 9 more months without a triple AAA it doesn't need take years to build games they already had 1-2 full years now its where are the triple aaa sony brought bloodborne microsoft is not turning this game around at all

the ps4 is playing amazing multiplats and great first party bloodborne microsoft u aren't delivering on any level be professional invest in games stop marketing the system build games like sony

...it needs a niche RPG game? that would seem like an odd choice

no dude its not niche everyones playing it

its like a kingdom hearts action rpg with very great graphics and great stats and weapons

this game is a next gen monster its totally mainstream and its totally fluid and graphical and its got art style

its basically as mainstream can be IMO its 3rd person u got sword u hit things theres nothing complex this game appeals to everyone

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#172 lostrib
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@ProtossX said:

@lostrib said:

@ProtossX said:

at the rate xb1 is going never

they need a triple AAA game yesterday

Sunset OD was 8/10 and Forza is a racing game on 360 first

If people want a racing game they just pick up a PC or Mario Kart nobody wants to play forza

it needs a bloodborne it cant last 9 more months without a triple AAA it doesn't need take years to build games they already had 1-2 full years now its where are the triple aaa sony brought bloodborne microsoft is not turning this game around at all

the ps4 is playing amazing multiplats and great first party bloodborne microsoft u aren't delivering on any level be professional invest in games stop marketing the system build games like sony

...it needs a niche RPG game? that would seem like an odd choice

no dude its not niche everyones playing it

its like a kingdom hearts action rpg with very great graphics and great stats and weapons

this game is a next gen monster its totally mainstream and its totally fluid and graphical and its got art style

its basically as mainstream can be IMO its 3rd person u got sword u hit things theres nothing complex this game appeals to everyone

you can't be serious. At least put some effort into this

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#173 Snugenz
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@SolidTy said:

I kept it clean, above the belt, and asked legit questions, but you lack the comprehension required and decided to hypocritically troll and flame first. Then after being a douche, you tell me I was trolling, Lawligator. Sure, I can retailiate and defend myself, but it's real simple, you ran away from the FACTS.

I certainly never attempted to call you a scumbag loser that you pretend to be on the boards, or a C-word, whatever. Nanny nanny boo boo!

I'm done with your shit, you're a bare faced liar and i'm sick of your essays filled with lies and more bullshit. You don't win arguments you just bore the other person into submission, noone can be bothered with that shit

Honestly i didn't even read your post i just skimmed it because life is short and i'm not gonna waste any more of mine reading the shit that comes out of that ridiculous mind of yours.

My actual final word on the matter, i think you're a ****, i know you're a fanboy. That's it. There is nothing else to discuss, i know my intentions, i know what i meant by what i said or did not say in the previous arguement, and it's blatantly obvious what your intention was in that argument as was your agenda, you can try skew that or play up to your fanboy... fanclub?, but it's all irrelevant because you are beneath me and i'm done with you.

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Holy Wall of Text, Batman!

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#175  Edited By SolidTy
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@Snugenz said:

@SolidTy said:

I kept it clean, above the belt, and asked legit questions, but you lack the comprehension required and decided to hypocritically troll and flame first. Then after being a douche, you tell me I was trolling, Lawligator. Sure, I can retailiate and defend myself, but it's real simple, you ran away from the FACTS.

I certainly never attempted to call you a scumbag loser that you pretend to be on the boards, or a C-word, whatever. Nanny nanny boo boo!

You are using EVERY SINGLE GOW RELEASE. That's FINE. Use them. Just remember to do THE SAME THING for Halo. Any and all retail and digital sold games right? Yeah. Exactly, PC games are sold too, lawligagging.

I'm done with your shit, you're a bare faced liar and i'm sick of your essays filled with lies and more bullshit. You don't win arguments you just bore the other person into submission, noone can be bothered with that shit

Honestly i didn't even read your post i just skimmed it because life is short and i'm not gonna waste any more of mine reading the shit that comes out of that ridiculous mind of yours.

My actual final word on the matter, i think you're a ****, i know you're a fanboy. That's it. There is nothing else to discuss, i know my intentions, i know what i meant by what i said or did not say in the previous arguement, and it's blatantly obvious what your intention was in that argument as was your agenda, you can try skew that or play up to your fanboy... fanclub?, but it's all irrelevant because you are beneath me and i'm done with you.

I'll keep it simple my main man! :P :

You are a liar for starting the flaming and name calling and saying that was me when it was you, a hypocrite, and the worst kind of fanboy with an agenda (You try and get too personal, lolercoster?)

This thread is further proof of whatever downward shame spiral you've put on display.

---

1.) You want to count every GOW EVER MADE INCLUDING DUPLICATES ACROSS MULTIPLE platforms if they are retail/DD. FINE BY ME. COUNT EVERY SINGLE GOW EVER. FINE. LET'S DO IT! :)

2.) HOWEVER, you do NOT(?) not want to count every HALO GAME EVER using the same standards you used for GOW, including duplicates across multiplatforms Retail/DD.

(exempli gratia: GOW collection on Vita counts even if it's a duplicate because it's sold on a different platform. Halo CE PC SHOULD ALSO count because it's a duplicate on a different platform sold at retail as well). GOW SAGA, Halo Spartan, etc.

IF we are going to look at EVERY RETAIL RELEASE FOR GOW, WE SHOULD HOLD HALO TO THE SAME STANDARD (EVERY retail release for Halo).

Then you got SUPER DUPER FRENZIED, spewing out vitriol for some odd reason and threw a hissy fit. I defended my honor. Bleh.

See-ya.

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@dalger21 said:

@SolidTy said:

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  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

And people say Sony milks franchises....

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

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#178 Minishdriveby
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@charizard1605 said:

@santoron: It's pointless then, because most hit digital only X360 games saw retail releases, at least in PAL-land.

By that yardstick, TC's assertion still would not hold true.

And there is also the fact that his original point was 'why does MS not invest in new retail IPs,' well, when Sony invested in Journey, it was not a retail IP either. By his own stupid arbitrary rules, that rules Journey out.


What hit AAAE digital only Xbox games are there?

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@GreySeal9 said:

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

I'm not going to get into that @SolidTy and @Snugenz mess, but listing Halo Spartan Assault XB1, PC, 360, mobile is silly. It's even more silly than listing the GoW Collection for PS3 and Vita separately. (still silly though)

If you guys think the milkage was bad before, you've seen nothing yet!

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Welp this is really disappointing - trying to make a proper gaming convo regarding the xbox and it's blatant lack of variety / over milking of franchises and all the xbots have taken it personal and reverted back to youtube commenter type fanboys. You can't even have a proper discussion on system wars anymore :(

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#181 joel_c17
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@magicalclick: Lol how much of a reach was that?

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@SolidTy said:
@Snugenz said:

@SolidTy said:

@delta3074 said:
@joel_c17 said:

Sorry this transcends just current gen - this goes all the way back to 2007. Dont you find it amazing that the xbox hasnt had a game score a 9 that wasnt one of their milked franchises since 2007? talk about variety...

Milked franchise?

Halo=8 games

God of war=12 games

Gears of war =4 games

Uncharted=6 games

Forza=8 games

GT=15 games

When it come to milking Franchise SONY got MS beat hands down,lol

Curious, how did you come to 8 games for Halo?

  1. Halo CE
  2. Halo 2
  3. Halo 3
  4. Halo 3: ODST
  5. Halo: Reach
  6. Halo 4
  7. Halo Wars
  8. Halo Spartan Assault

Would be my guess.

Thanks for the answer. I own all the Halo games and that list is missing two games, three games if you count Halo 5 which isn't released. I wouldn't count Halo 5 either, but it's missing two games for sure.

What you listed:

  1. Halo CE
  2. Halo 2
  3. Halo 3
  4. Halo 3: ODST
  5. Halo: Reach
  6. Halo 4
  7. Halo Wars
  8. Halo Spartan Assault

What is missing (2-3 games):

  1. Halo: Master Chief Collection,
  2. Halo Anniversary HD
  3. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

You're at least missing Spartan Strike, and Halo Online.

Anyway, I think both the XBOX One and PS4 are good consoles, and I think they both really have just as many positives and negatives as the other.

I'm surprised at how difficult it is for most PS4 and XBOX One owners to get along. Personally I hate it when I'm lumped into a group and classified as being into only certain types of games because that is what the popular majority likes on that console. Why can't people just like both for the things they do well?

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@joel_c17 said:

@charizard1605:

ummmmm demon souls 2009, ni nu kuni 2013, puppeteer 2013, beyond: two souls

Wait so are we going by metacritic or gamespot? You cows flip so much

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@RR360DD: all those games got a 9 from gs

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@Livecommander said:

@delta3074: lol just cuz your point is "grounded in reality" doesnt make it a good point. Even if its technically right. i simply showed the unblanced environment that you tried to compared them in. with Your logic if i score 200 points in a season. Then micheal jordan comes with 2 months left scores 185 in the season. Let me guess it still makes sense to call me the better scorer huh ? @delta3074: Lol imagine if xbox came in 1995 and had hanheld systems. That milk score wuddnt look pretty and you know it. 5 extra years plus handheld spin off milks. So yea... you tried tho.

'with Your logic if i score 200 points in a season. Then micheal jordan comes with 2 months left scores 185 in the season. Let me guess it still makes sense to call me the better scorer huh ?'

Depends on the parameters doesn't it, if best scorer is determined by who scored the most in one season then Yes, you would be the better scorer if it's determined by who scored the most points in the shortest space of time the he would be the winner.

'doesnt make it a good point.'

I don't care whether it was a good point, i care about whether it was a factual point, which it was.

'i simply showed the unbalanced environment that you tried to compared them in'

so what if it's unbalanced, the environment is what it is and we are not working on 'what if' we are working on 'what is'

For starters, even if MS had release a handheld it doesn't automatically mean that what you stated would become a reality.

Bottom line, everything you are saying is pure speculation and conjecture about a 'what if' Past timeline that never actually happened so do yourself a favor, come back down form cloud cuckoo Baseless speculation land and join us in the timeline as it actually happened (Also know as THE .REAL WORLD) and debate the FACTS instead of trying to Baffle everyone with Bullshit assumptions of 'what could have been' or 'what might have happened IF...'

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#186 delta3074
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@tormentos said:

@delta3074 said:

Milked franchise?

Halo=8 games

God of war=12 games

Gears of war =4 games

Uncharted=6 games

Forza=8 games

GT=15 games

When it come to milking Franchise SONY got MS beat hands down,lol

Come on console games don't include portables MS doesn't have one.

There was 4 gears games in a single console,only 3 uncharte on PS3.

Forza 2,Forza 3,Forza 4,Forza Horizon Forza Horizon 2

5 Forza games on xbox 360.

Gt Prologue,GT 5, GT6 3 for the PS3.

Halo games.

Halo 3,Halo ODST,Halo Reach,Halo Ce,Halo Wars.Halo 4

6 Halo on xbox 360.

God of war 3,God of war collection,God of war Ascension.

3 For the PS3.

Hell by this holiday there will be 3 Forza games on xbox one,that is 3 games in 2 years,while probably GT7 will not make it to PS4 knowing sony's track record,and 2 Halo games already by this holiday to while Uncharted got push to 2016.

'Come on console games don't include portables MS doesn't have one.'

I was talking about Franchises, so your whole post is pointless because i wasn't just talking about Consoles i was talking about Franchises as a whole.

Are you trying to say that uncharted games on handhelds are not part of the uncharted franchise?

GAME FRANCHISE =/= Console only

Do you get the point?

system wars NOT console wars dude:)

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@Snugenz said:

@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@Snugenz said:

@SolidTy said:

It's all explained above. We should have counted the PC ports of Halo. I omitted those in fair play, but that's GOW list is lol worthy sillyness. The GOW list was silly, but if we maintain the GOW silly standards, we need to use them for Halo.

Counting GOW Collections for Vita & PS3 is silly for the exact same collections. Then counting SAGA again. It's fine to count and recount everything ever, but if we are counting every PC, Mobile, Vita, PSP, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbone, we need to apply the same to Halo which released on PC and mobiles as well as Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbone.

I disagree. I was just chiming in to show where he got his numbers, but i'm not getting involved in this fanboy bullshit, so lets leave it here.

He has a point though. It's called being objective.

There's objectivity and then there's objectivity with a side order of haterade. Which is what tends to happen when SolidTy is involved with an Xbox exclusive franchise vs. a Sony exclusive franchise discussion, so i honestly cannot be assed.

No.

There's objectivity, and otherwise. Any other way of looking at it falls into the "otherwise" category.

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@delta3074: lol real word ? Everything i say ,think , and dream is part of the real world simply becuase im real. Your 1 dimensional minded. A technicall fact is just one aspect of the actually "fact". You are typically decisive and think everything in front of you has to be exactly wat it is. Dont worry your mindset is the next best thing to mine. Yours is civil and "proper" mines is natural and wrong and right at the same time. proportion wise sinse this has to be tecnicall, the xbox in fact milks at a faster paste. Technical and actuall are not synonyms. Yet you talk technics with the utmost sureness. yea as far as total milks your prolly right about ps but what i brought up was the bigger picture which only technially the op didnt ask for yet it can even be subconsciously part of what hes tryna say.

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@misterpmedia said:
@sts106mat said:

@misterpmedia: i didn't ignore it, because i am not a pussy like you.

I know you didn't tag me (and other users you mentioned), because you are a coward.

@misterpmedia said:

I know you lems love to resort to petty, pathetic name calling like any youtube commenter but that's no excuse really.

What's next, something about my mother? Lmfao, please. Way to admit you're weak with poor self restraint.

Edit: Also, that doesn't make sense, or else I'd be replying to you now by not adding your tag. Derp.

Why do all lemmings on here resort to name calling and acting like juvenilles? Almost every single one in this thread!! Why? Does xbawks live breed this behavior or is it true the PS fanbase really is an older mature crowd of intelligent beings while the Lems are junior and high school aged kids? I don't want to go there but the proof is in the pudding. They lost an argument so they gang-up and form insults and bad mouth a whole group. Uggh... show some class lemmings please. Your arguments about "PS fanboys being the worst" holds no weight when you guys spew cusses and insults. Admit defeat, show some humility and move on....

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@GreySeal9 said:

@dalger21 said:

@SolidTy said:

---

  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

And people say Sony milks franchises....

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

That is 15 years worth of games. Has God of war, killzone or Uncharted series even been around for 15 years. SolidTy you are truly a blind Pro Sony fanboy who bashes MS almost all the time.

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#191  Edited By SolidTy
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@xhawk27 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@dalger21 said:

@SolidTy said:

---

  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

And people say Sony milks franchises....

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

That is 15 years worth of games. Has God of war, killzone or Uncharted series even been around for 15 years. SolidTy you are truly a blind Pro Sony fanboy who bashes MS almost all the time.

Huh? Can you read? I didn't bring up Halo, Delta did.

No one is talking about years, lol. The Blind fanboy you should be arguing with is the person who brought up Halo and listed there are only 8 titles in the first place. All I did was apply the same principles for Halo and counted as he did for Halo and GOW. It's called counting and has nothing to do with fanboyism. It's called accuracy.

@xhawk27, you are truly a blind Pro Xbox fanboy who bashes Sony almost all of the time! In fact, you didn't even bother reading my post and instead of commenting on my point, you randomly tried to get personal like the other hardcore fanbot lemmings, which means you are upset about games, lol.

You are amusing. You read my post, saw the Halo games and instead of refuting their existence you bring up Halo's age and lob insults? I didn't even bring Halo up, lmao.

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@SolidTy said:

@xhawk27 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@dalger21 said:

@SolidTy said:

---

  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

And people say Sony milks franchises....

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

That is 15 years worth of games. Has God of war, killzone or Uncharted series even been around for 15 years. SolidTy you are truly a blind Pro Sony fanboy who bashes MS almost all the time.

Huh? Can you read? I didn't bring up Halo?

No one is talking about years, lol. The Blind fanboy you should be arguing with is the person who brought up Halo and listed there are only 8 titles in the first place. @xhawk27, you are truly a blind Pro Xbox fanboy who bashes Sony almost all of the time. In fact, you didn't even bother reading my post and instead of commenting on my point, you randomly tried to get personal like the other hardcore fanbot lemmings, which means you are upset about games, lol.

Sure whatever you say... Another thing is the person who said that Portable game systems shouldn't be counted but yet you counted the PC and mobile devices. lol

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#193 SolidTy
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@Snugenz said:

@X_CAPCOM_X said:

He has a point though. It's called being objective.

There's objectivity and then there's objectivity with a side order of haterade. Which is what tends to happen when SolidTy is involved with an Xbox exclusive franchise vs. a Sony exclusive franchise discussion, so i honestly cannot be assed.

No.

There's objectivity, and otherwise. Any other way of looking at it falls into the "otherwise" category.

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@Pray_to_me said:

Lemmings and their Hermit boyfriends getting their shit pushed in 3 gens in a row. Word on the street is Microsoft is gonna pull the plug on Xbone and will focus on spreadsheets where they belong.

Dude, that's disgusting and inappropriate. I know you're just a troll, but at least try to maintain some class.

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#195  Edited By clone01
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@misterpmedia said:

@sts106mat said:

yes i did, I also know what your game is. you are an attention seeking turd that likes to keep people replying to them, whilst you pretend to be intellectually above them.

Do us all a favour and piss off.

You don't know anything. This much has been proven time and time again. This comment is no exception. I really hope you don't speak for everyone, slightly insulting for those people lol. Damn, those insults. When a lem goes all out!

watchoutwegotabadassoverhere.png[because I know pictures confuse you ;)]

Mat really isn't a lem. if you paid attention you'd know this. Its no secret this is your little schtick. If it makes you happy, have at it. You're not fooling anyone, much like the rest of the SW usual suspects here.

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#196  Edited By SolidTy
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@xhawk27 said:

@SolidTy said:

@xhawk27 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@dalger21 said:

@SolidTy said:

---

  1. Halo CE Xbox
  2. Halo CE PC
  3. Halo CE Anniversary HD 360
  4. Halo 2
  5. Halo 2 PC
  6. I love bees (?This is a stretch, I know, lol, but so is counting the Uncharted Google Map game (Trail). It's an Alternate Reality game)
  7. Halo 3: ODST
  8. Halo: Reach
  9. Halo 4
  10. Halo Wars
  11. Halo Spartan Assault Mobile
  12. Halo Spartan Assault PC
  13. Halo Spartan Assault 360
  14. Halo Spartan Assault Xbone
  15. Halo Master Chief Collection
  16. Halo 5 ([?] Depends if he was counting other unreleased titles?)

And people say Sony milks franchises....

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

That is 15 years worth of games. Has God of war, killzone or Uncharted series even been around for 15 years. SolidTy you are truly a blind Pro Sony fanboy who bashes MS almost all the time.

Huh? Can you read? I didn't bring up Halo, Delta did.

No one is talking about years, lol. The Blind fanboy you should be arguing with is the person who brought up Halo and listed there are only 8 titles in the first place. All I did was apply the same principles for Halo and counted as he did for Halo and GOW. It's called counting and has nothing to do with fanboyism. It's called accuracy.

@xhawk27, you are truly a blind Pro Xbox fanboy who bashes Sony almost all of the time! In fact, you didn't even bother reading my post and instead of commenting on my point, you randomly tried to get personal like the other hardcore fanbot lemmings, which means you are upset about games, lol.

You are amusing. You read my post, saw the Halo games and instead of refuting their existence you bring up Halo's age and lob insults? I didn't even bring Halo up, lmao.

Sure whatever you say... Another thing is the person who said that Portable game systems shouldn't be counted but yet you counted the PC and mobile devices. lol

No, he brought up Halo, GOW, Uncharted, Forza, GeoW, and many other games. I did NOT bring ANY OF THOSE GAMES up. I asked a question about GOW and HALO. He had inflated numbers and inaccurate numbers listed for the franchises. I simply wanted to know how he came to the numbers. I then applied the same principle used on GOW for HALO. It was equal and fair.

HE (Delta and later Snugz) counted portable games, mobile games, and PC games for some games, but not all, lol. He didn't count fairly for every series though which created an imbalance, inflating some games and deflating others which was intellectually dishonest. All I did was count them for GOW and for HALO in the manner he did, lol. I was fair across the board, counting the GOD OF WAR and HALO games released period, as he set out. He implied there weren't many HALO games, but he didn't count all of them as he did GOW.

You came along, don't understand what you are reading and randomly get excited and butthurt when you saw Halo, lol. For my effort in trying to reach a truth, you came along and went fanboy on me. It's funny how that worked out.

Again you should learn to read.

If I MADE THE LIST and IT WAS MY LIST TO CONSTRUCT? I wouldn't be counting PC, handhelds, or mobile games...but I didn't create that standard, lol. All I did was MAINTAIN the standard to get to the TRUTH regarding how many titles were released DD and RETAIL for both GOW and HALO.

Why is it the truth frightens users into attacking other users anyways? Why are lemmings displaying such a lack of character and class in this thread?

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@ProtossX said:

at the rate xb1 is going never

they need a triple AAA game yesterday

Sunset OD was 8/10 and Forza is a racing game on 360 first

If people want a racing game they just pick up a PC or Mario Kart nobody wants to play forza

it needs a bloodborne it cant last 9 more months without a triple AAA it doesn't need take years to build games they already had 1-2 full years now its where are the triple aaa sony brought bloodborne microsoft is not turning this game around at all

the ps4 is playing amazing multiplats and great first party bloodborne microsoft u aren't delivering on any level be professional invest in games stop marketing the system build games like sony

Use fucking punctuation, please.

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#198  Edited By SolidTy
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@GoldenElementXL said:

@GreySeal9 said:

Pretty clear that both Sony and MS milk the shit out of franchises. Nintendo too for that matter.

I'm not going to get into that @SolidTy and @Snugenzmess, but listing Halo Spartan Assault XB1, PC, 360, mobile is silly. It's even more silly than listing the GoW Collection for PS3 and Vita separately. (still silly though)

If you guys think the milkage was bad before, you've seen nothing yet!

Yes, I am the one that said the standards applied to GOD OF WAR and HALO were Silly in the first place. I said it many times, but if they are going to be applied to one list, they should be applied to the other. The question was, which games have had more releases? The answer is the answer. Congrats for repeating what I said regarding the use of "silly", I take that as almost an agreement if I didn't have to read the rest of your post. Again, I didn't create the "silly" standards nor did I like the "silly" standards being used to count the GOW, HALO, GEoW, FORZA, UNCHARTED, GT, etc...I simply applied the SAME "Silly" standards to GOW and HALO to reach the truth on how many releases there actually were. Mobile, PC, and handheld games were being used for PS franchises like GOW and Uncharted, but not HALO or GeoW, lol. I pointed out a fallacy and butthurt ensued.

I got to be frank here, but you don't get to pretend to stand above other users and then declare what you think is silly. Once you say something is MORE SILLY THAN ANOTHER, you are in the thick of it. I proved Snugz wrong over and over, and instead of accepting reality, you pit us in the same boat and then you sided with team green declaring one list is "moar silly". You are apart of it and no longer Sweden the second you proclaim your own stance.

Snugz tried to hide from the truth, I only wanted to know the truth. Once the facts started coming up, he got angry and lashed out.

I want to REITERATE: It's not my "silly" list, lol. It's my answer and response when I started counting once I was told how these games were to be counted. Instead of arguing why the two incorrect users (Delta and Snugz) counted every single version of GOW, I just did the same for HALO, which they were both reluctant to do. I learned a few things in this thread, and one of them is that fanboys get WAY TOO ANGRY at facts. Lob insults, vitriol, and insinuate stupidity when confronted with their own silly "pretend logic".

The entire point was to pretend there have been more GOW releases than HALO releases. That ended up being proven false. If you are going about counting ALL RELEASES, then their is only one answer. They were playing make believe, pretending PC didn't exist for one franchise but existed for others and I wanted to know the actual answer since a false answer was posited.

As anyone old enough may have realized, there have been more HALO releases, which shouldn't be surprising, but apparently it was SHOCKING to some fanbots, lolercoaster. In the end, the TRUTH came out and I once again was at the heart of it.

They are equally silly but of course you would try to side with team green Golden (as you constantly complain about one faction on these boards, the dreaded "cows" and "PS fans"), but I didn't create the pseudo standard for HALO AND GOW in an effort to deflate milkage for HALO and inflate milkage for GOW arguments. One list isn't more "silly" than the other. That was my entire point, to approach ALL THE GAMES fairly. Count EVERY DD/Retail release period. It seems you wanted to chime in and pretend that one list is sillier than the other, lol. Nope. I didn't even get to the inaccuracies of the counts used for GeoW, GT, Uncharted, or Forza.

The mere HALO and GOW OUTRAGE already brought enough super butthurt, lol. That wasn't even the point. I didn't seek to see ANYONE BUTTHURT about COUNTING; I only wanted to see what the answer was. The TRUTH brought pain to some fanboys which is depressing.

To Delta's credit, he didn't act like a child at all. Delta is a respectable user. Was his math wrong? Sure, but not a problem. That's why I was so polite. He was incorrect and moved on. It was Snugz that got emotionally invested for whatever reason. Then other lembots came in and lobbed insults. I only sought to apply the same standards for ALL THE GAMES Delta listed. I didn't even get that far because XBAWKS and HALOZ got fanbots got too upset to carry on.

The questions are:

In Total, HOW MANY HALO RELEASES HAVE THEIR BEEN, Golden?

In Total, HOW MANY GOW RELEASES HAVE THEIR BEEN, Golden?

Perhaps you can enlighten us all with a couple of numbers for each franchise? I'm not looking to rattle your cage, or provoke some sort of pride. I am simply seeking the truth. If you feel that the TRUTH is Silly or has not been reached, please feel free to humble us with your gracious answers. Just remember, once you give an answer, don't get upset if users look at the details of your answer, scrutinize your conclusion, and if there are faults, they find them. That's on you for positing the incorrect answer, not on the person exposing the problems in your answer.

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#199 SolidTy
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@Midnightshade29 said:

@misterpmedia said:
@sts106mat said:

@misterpmedia: i didn't ignore it, because i am not a pussy like you.

I know you didn't tag me (and other users you mentioned), because you are a coward.

@misterpmedia said:

I know you lems love to resort to petty, pathetic name calling like any youtube commenter but that's no excuse really.

What's next, something about my mother? Lmfao, please. Way to admit you're weak with poor self restraint.

Edit: Also, that doesn't make sense, or else I'd be replying to you now by not adding your tag. Derp.

Why do all lemmings on here resort to name calling and acting like juvenilles? Almost every single one in this thread!! Why? Does xbawks live breed this behavior or is it true the PS fanbase really is an older mature crowd of intelligent beings while the Lems are junior and high school aged kids? I don't want to go there but the proof is in the pudding. They lost an argument so they gang-up and form insults and bad mouth a whole group. Uggh... show some class lemmings please. Your arguments about "PS fanboys being the worst" holds no weight when you guys spew cusses and insults. Admit defeat, show some humility and move on....

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@clone01 said:

Mat really isn't a lem

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You aren't fooling anyone either. I'd love to be a part of this all seeing eye club that's suddenly emerged where no-one is apparently fooled.