When Will 360 Sales Begin to Pick Up Drastically?

The 360 essentially has the best controller, best online service, best libary of games, and a pretty good price tag. So what gives, when will we see huge sale numbers from the 360?It seems the only reasonable excuse would be RROD.Now that Halo has come out we certainly will see a spike in sales but will it continue from that point on?

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

mjarantilla

I always felt RROD was a bigissue but even after MS introducing a 3 year warranty sales seemed to stay thesame.

Doesn't sell in Japan nor the people who have a Japanese-like gaming taste. Most of the games can be found on the PC, reliability issues. I can go on and on

Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.Legendaryscmt

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.mjarantilla

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

The 360 has a faliure rate of just under 50%, if Microsoft had put it through more testing, it still wouldn't be 100% perfect, but at least it would probably have dropped that number down to lower than what it is. The more tests they do, the more problems they could find.

I think when the price drops, it will. On the other hand. I don't think it's going to pick up that drastically.

RROD is their biggest problem.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.Legendaryscmt

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

The 360 has a faliure rate of just under 50%, if Microsoft had put it through more testing, it still wouldn't be 100% perfect, but at least it would probably have dropped that number down to lower than what it is. The more tests they do, the more problems they could find.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.Legendaryscmt

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

The 360 has a faliure rate of just under 50%, if Microsoft had put it through more testing, it still wouldn't be 100% perfect, but at least it would probably have dropped that number down to lower than what it is. The more tests they do, the more problems they could find.

I doubt MS would've taken the time to put it through more testing. Not because of laziness or any silly reason like that; I just think they thought they had their final product and didn't think they had any more reason to stress test it. Just like the PS2 and its DREs. Sometimes these are things which are just overlooked.

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.mjarantilla

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.BrooklynBomber

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

Like I said: I don't think MS was aware RROD would be nearly as big of a problem as it turned out to be. As for HDMI and HD-DVD, why bother? Especially for HD-DVD, since that would've just massively increased the cost of the machine for no real benefit.

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.PBSnipes

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

The 360 has a faliure rate of just under 50%, if Microsoft had put it through more testing, it still wouldn't be 100% perfect, but at least it would probably have dropped that number down to lower than what it is. The more tests they do, the more problems they could find.

http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=964

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=542833

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/high-failure-rates-finger-pointing-and-zombies-196797.php

http://gamer.blorge.com/2007/05/31/microsofts-xbox-secret-failure-rates/

http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/914/title/Debate_Xbox_360_Failure_Rate.html

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.BrooklynBomber

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

yet 360bioshock outsold the PC version like 10 to 1?

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

mjarantilla

If the price for the premium drops to $300 and consoles stop breaking then it should get better.BrooklynBomber

That should also apply to the PS3, it shoudd already makes bettr games!:shock: :lol:

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]If the price for the premium drops to $300 and consoles stop breaking then it should get better.Art_424

That should also apply to the PS3, it shoudd already makes bettr games!:shock: :lol:

What?

yet 360bioshock outsold the PC version like 10 to 1?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

Bdking57

I think it's more like 1.5 to 1 or 2 to 1.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Had Microsoft not rushed the Xbox 360, you would see a lot less of the RROD. Almost 2 years after its release they still haven't "figured" out the problem with it. Hell, even look at the Halo 3 LE, with its fair share of problems. I returned mine yesterday cause it had scratches, picked up the regular version, and when I get home to play it, my 360 craps out on me. I used to think that Microsoft had a good chance at comming in at least second in the consol war, but one things Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft is that they know how to make reliable consols.Legendaryscmt

No, I don't think so. I think that Microsoft already nailed down their production design for the 360 and that they weren't aware that RRODs would become such an issue at all. If they had delayed a year, it would not have done them any good.

The 360 has a faliure rate of just under 50%, if Microsoft had put it through more testing, it still wouldn't be 100% perfect, but at least it would probably have dropped that number down to lower than what it is. The more tests they do, the more problems they could find.

http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=964

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=542833

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/high-failure-rates-finger-pointing-and-zombies-196797.php

http://gamer.blorge.com/2007/05/31/microsofts-xbox-secret-failure-rates/

http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/914/title/Debate_Xbox_360_Failure_Rate.html

Face it! The 360 will never be the#1 console even if (currently) it has the largest library of next-gen games. The reason they will become 3rd place is because of thecontinual hardware issues, too much marketing of Halo rather than focusing on new IP's, not enough exclusive games(90% of its library is found on PC and Playstation brand) tojustify a purchase, and poor Japan support is really going to hurt this product. I'm glad I decided to purchase my gaming rig PC (which is way more powerful than the 360) so I can enjoy all of the360 games as well as my PS3.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]If the price for the premium drops to $300 and consoles stop breaking then it should get better.Art_424

That should also apply to the PS3, it shoudd already makes bettr games!:shock: :lol:

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

xTHExJUICEx

I always felt RROD was a bigissue but even after MS introducing a 3 year warranty sales seemed to stay thesame.

Extended warranty isn't a fix, it's a paliative.

And how many AA+ games the xbox and the ps2 had in their first 100 weeks? How many will 360 have?

360 is the xbox of the generation.

Right now I think the biggest issue is price. $350 is still alot to pay for a console (lets face it, the core is for a very niche market) and I have a feeling alot of people were waiting forsome sort of combination of Halo 3, GTA 4, EA Sports 08 titlesand aprice cut, so I'd expect sales to really start to pick upthis week and continue strong through the start of 08, especially if MS cuts the 360's price again in say, November.I don't see the 360 ever hitting PS1/2 sales levels, but I think it'll finish in a solid second place behind the Wii, with a minimum of 50 million units sold.PBSnipes

[QUOTE="Bdking57"]

yet 360bioshock outsold the PC version like 10 to 1?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

mjarantilla

I think it's more like 1.5 to 1 or 2 to 1.

In August Bioshock for 360 outsold the PC version 5 to 1. KTHXBYE

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/34271/BioShock-Best-Selling-PC-Game-of-August

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bdking57"]

yet 360bioshock outsold the PC version like 10 to 1?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

JiveT

I think it's more like 1.5 to 1 or 2 to 1.

In August Bioshock for 360 outsold the PC version 5 to 1. KTHXBYE

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/34271/BioShock-Best-Selling-PC-Game-of-August

But those don't count Steam.

If the 360 doesn't have a huge success this Christmas then I would say they are heading for 3rd place. It seems people just don't want to buy it when right now it has all that a console needs and it still isn't the #1 console.Ragnarok1051

Right now sony seems to have third place lock stock and bond. Don't see that changing anytime soon.. 360 will be second, and WII will be first. This is my opinion, and it appears to be comming true, formed it when all the price anouncements, and consoles were released.

It's gonna be big worldwide this Christmas with Halo 3 for sure.

But as for 2008, I think the hype will die down. Having said that, it's still gonna get good releases: NG2, Halo Wars, Banjo 3 etc, but nothing that will spike sales like Halo 3 imo.

Face it! The 360 will never be the#1 console even if (currently) it has the largest library of next-gen games. The reason they will become 3rd place is because of thecontinual hardware issues, too much marketing of Halo rather than focusing on new IP's, not enough exclusive games(90% of its library is found on PC and Playstation brand) tojustify a purchase, and poor Japan support is really going to hurt this product. I'm glad I decided to purchase my gaming rig PC (which is way more powerful than the 360) so I can enjoy all of the360 games as well as my PS3.

megaton3k

Bahhahahahaahah your funny dude, 360 has the most new IP's look at sony most thier heavy hitters are at least in there 4th generation. Japan is to busy playing the WII, to even really notice the PS3. Can I have some of your koolaid?? However your correct about the PC you cannot go wrong becuse all the games are best on PC..

$199 price point is the sweet spot for the mass market. $349 is still quite a bit for people who just want to play a few games, especially when both PS2 and Xbox launched at $299. I talk to people all the time who want one but just are not willing to spend that much on a game machine.

Hardcore gamers drive software sales, but casuals drive hardware sales.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bdking57"]

yet 360bioshock outsold the PC version like 10 to 1?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

JiveT

I think it's more like 1.5 to 1 or 2 to 1.

In August Bioshock for 360 outsold the PC version 5 to 1. KTHXBYE

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/34271/BioShock-Best-Selling-PC-Game-of-August

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15234

"While the Xbox 360 version is the more popular of the two in the U.S., BioShock on PC nevertheless manages to make a strong overall sales impression that few PC titles manage to achieve. Interestingly, though, the PC port outsells both the regular and limited Xbox 360 editions in Europe, where BioShock's PC version emerges as the week's biggest-selling software title on any platform."

Still not including Steam or Direct2Drive.

Hopefully never. Microsoft has a history of exploiting consumers, and the last thing gamers hsould want is to see Microsoft in control of the console gaming market.osirisomeomi

Just like every other company its how they make there money, why do people always single out ms?

I stopped reading at best conroller. It actually is the worst controller this gen. It feels stupid in my hands, and i have extremely generic hands (aside from my slightly longer than normal fingers). the buttons are placed badly, the analogs are placed badly, the B triggers are just plain annoying to use... the only redeeming thing about them is the triggers that don't suck, trhe normal tirrgers, and thats only because they are shaped well. The 360 controller just plain sucks, IMO.HappySunnGuy

lol you have no clue about the Xbox360 controller do you?- you make up all the 'faults' & fail to miss the most obvious weakness of the controller- the D-Pad.

button placement- is spot on.

analogue placement- again spot on.

bumper buttons are easy enough to use- ive got no problem with them.

D-Pad is the only problem- its worse than the old S-Controller d-pad- for some reason they changed it & now its harder to use precisely.

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

mjarantilla

WRONG when 360 cost goes to $199 it will sell like CRAZY just like the PS2 did when it got down to the $149-199 range.

I stopped reading at best conroller. It actually is the worst controller this gen. It feels stupid in my hands, and i have extremely generic hands (aside from my slightly longer than normal fingers). the buttons are placed badly, the analogs are placed badly, the B triggers are just plain annoying to use... the only redeeming thing about them is the triggers that don't suck, trhe normal tirrgers, and thats only because they are shaped well. The 360 controller just plain sucks, IMO.HappySunnGuy

I agree, the controller is crap, I actually found the PS2 controller easier/smoother for FPS games ... in Halo you have to take your finger off FIRE just to MELEE ... or something similar ... you HAVE to sacrifice something ... cant have a fluid movement ... its bad.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Expect never. You'll occasionally see Microsoft-marketed games like Oblivion, Gears, and Halo 3 causing sales spikes every now and then, but after two years of steady 200k/month sales, I've kinda lost hope in the 360 taking off the way the PS2 did.

Probably one of the biggest reasons is that the 360 shares so much of its target audience with PC gaming, and there are probably as many if not more PC gamers out there with rigs as powerful or more powerful than the 360. There's no real reason for them to switch over.

Fuzzy_Munch

WRONG when 360 cost goes to $199 it will sell like CRAZY just like the PS2 did when it got down to the $149-199 range.

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