when will nintendo get back to that n64 status?

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Its gimmicky, obnoxious gameplay, with the only software being 3rd party crap and 1st party re-makes. Nintendo sucks this gen. Motion sensing can kiss my ass, there are no good games to play. You can count the AAA wii games on your two hands. Nintendo totally failed this gen. I dont care about sales. The actual games sucked.

nameless12345

:P

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

That's not Rare. That's BigPark. Rare's next project hasn't been revealed yet.

NeonNinja

I just looked it up, it looks like you're right. My mistake. I don't see why that game would require two devs, but whatever.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Seriously.

Is there anything else you'd like to ask?

NeonNinja

Well then you're comparing the wrong games. Quake II is a sci-fi arcade shooter whereas GoldenEye is a much more authentic shooter. You could atleast compare it to Half-Life.

Goldeneye doesn't come close to Half-Life, Quake II, or Shogo: Mobile Armor Division. A FPS is a FPS. And no, Goldeneye was not "authentic" by which I take it you're trying to call it realistic.

It's not just about realism it's also about the believable weapons, characters, enviornemts, ect. Sure, Quake II and Unreal were good at what they were, namely futuristic arcade shooters, but they aren't really to be compared with GE imo. If you think it doesn't come close to the mentioned games that's fine by me but I certianly don't agree with that. If anything the FPS genre wouldn't progress as it did if it weren't for GoldenEye.

Motion gaming is a gimmick. The wii's software was the mother of epic failure. The number of AAA wii games can be counted with your hands. It was al; 3rd party crap and 1st party remakes. I bought an xbox and never am going back. Nintendo's software output is such crap these days. How can people stick by them? "Wii U?" Sounds like another gimmick

Shmiity

Wow!I'm applaud at your statement.Most people like the Wii for one reason. There are a lot of niche games on the system.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Oh it said RARE and Big Park on their little Wiki page.

millerlight89

I just looked it up, it looks like you're right. My mistake. I don't see why that game would require two devs, but whatever.

That'd be something for the ages: a Kinect game with depth.... and it's co-developed by Rare. The Guiness Book of World Records is within the mile, yo! :P

No way, Kinect sports, and they are coming out with Kinect sports: Season 2!~!!!!!!!!!millerlight89

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Well then you're comparing the wrong games. Quake II is a sci-fi arcade shooter whereas GoldenEye is a much more authentic shooter. You could atleast compare it to Half-Life.

nameless12345

Goldeneye doesn't come close to Half-Life, Quake II, or Shogo: Mobile Armor Division. A FPS is a FPS. And no, Goldeneye was not "authentic" by which I take it you're trying to call it realistic.

It's not just about realism it's also about the believable weapons, characters, enviornemts, ect. Sure, Quake II and Unreal were good at what they were, namely futuristic arcade shooters, but they aren't really to be compared with GE imo. If you think it doesn't come close to the mentioned games that's fine by me but I certianly don't agree with that. If anything the FPS genre wouldn't progress as it did if it weren't for GoldenEye.

The FPS genre would have progressed without Goldeneye. Look at Goldeneye and Halo. The games that followed in Goldeneye's steps were TimeSplitters. That series never made it past last-gen and then Haze turned out to be a dud, closing the studio down, getting bought up by Crytek to work on the multiplayer of Crysis 2 which no one cares for. Everything else followed in Halo's footsteps and while not every game succeeded, there are some big names to come out of it all.

Goldeneye's effect on shooters was minimal. If anything, without Goldeneye we wouldn't have had Perfect Dark or TimeSplitters, but neither of those ever impressed me.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Motion gaming is a gimmick. The wii's software was the mother of epic failure. The number of AAA wii games can be counted with your hands. It was al; 3rd party crap and 1st party remakes. I bought an xbox and never am going back. Nintendo's software output is such crap these days. How can people stick by them? "Wii U?" Sounds like another gimmick

Wow!I'm applaud at your statement.Most people like the Wii for one reason. There are a lot of niche games on the system.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Motion gaming is a gimmick. The wii's software was the mother of epic failure. The number of AAA wii games can be counted with your hands. It was al; 3rd party crap and 1st party remakes. I bought an xbox and never am going back. Nintendo's software output is such crap these days. How can people stick by them? "Wii U?" Sounds like another gimmick

Shmiity

Wow!I'm applaud at your statement.Most people like the Wii for one reason. There are a lot of niche games on the system.

Do I have to bring out the list of A or AA niche games.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"][QUOTE="super600"]

Wow!I'm applaud at your statement.Most people like the Wii for one reason. There are a lot of niche games on the system.

super600

Do I have to bring out the list of A or AA niche games.

Don't waste your time, the dude's a hater. Wii is awesome. Wii U is going to kick ass.

[QUOTE="super600"]

Oh cool, while your playing 5 games a year, I just played about 75 AAA xbox/ps3 titles. Wii= gimmick. Useless. The games play better without motion control.Shmiity

Do I have to bring out the list of A or AA niche games.

Don't waste your time, the dude's a hater. Wii is awesome. Wii U is going to kick ass.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Do I have to bring out the list of A or AA niche games.

Shmiity

Don't waste your time, the dude's a hater. Wii is awesome. Wii U is going to kick ass.

What makes you think there'll be nothing to play on the system? Nintendo are going for a console to compete with 360/PS3 so the multiplats have been revealed for it, combined with Nintendo's own fantastic first party line-up.

As far as the 3DS. Yeah, the most anticipated game was a remake, big deal. There are more anticipated games to come out afterwards. It's not like the world ends with that one game. The DS had a similarly slow start before it blew up.

And many games on the Wii don't require motion controls. You're jumping to crazy conclusions at this point.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Don't waste your time, the dude's a hater. Wii is awesome. Wii U is going to kick ass.

What makes you think there'll be nothing to play on the system? Nintendo are going for a console to compete with 360/PS3 so the multiplats have been revealed for it, combined with Nintendo's own fantastic first party line-up.

As far as the 3DS. Yeah, the most anticipated game was a remake, big deal. There are more anticipated games to come out afterwards. It's not like the world ends with that one game. The DS had a similarly slow start before it blew up.

And many games on the Wii don't require motion controls. You're jumping to crazy conclusions at this point.

that was theyre last great system...besides the handhelds, i thought gamecube was going to do it, i was sure the wii was going to do it, now my hope is gone....i don't beleive the wii u hype

youngmurk911

Last great system they released was the Wii.

God I hope never, give me the SNES status. Hell I got more entertainment out of the Wii than the N64.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]The N64 era was when people started flocking to Sony.nameless12345

That's because PS1 had a lot better advertising and because it had Gran Turismo, Tekken, MGS, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider and cheaper games. If the N64 used CDs it would get Final Fantasy and probably also MGS in better graphics.

SNES was their last good console. N64 sucked. I sold mine after only a few months because it was crap. Blurry graphics an crappy games with only a handful of good ones FTL.

As great as the N64, you wouldn't want them to go back to their N64 status. That's when they started losing 3rd party support.

Umm... The Gamecube was amazing.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]The N64 era was when people started flocking to Sony.CwlHeddwyn

That's because PS1 had a lot better advertising and because it had Gran Turismo, Tekken, MGS, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider and cheaper games. If the N64 used CDs it would get Final Fantasy and probably also MGS in better graphics.

I thought the cube was awesome, although not as awesome as the 64, and it had some poor design choices in terms of how the public would perceive it.

The Wii has some great games, but is a letdown to me.

The N64 was truly a great platform that houses most of my fondest memories. Mario 64, OoT, MM, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and so many more are games that you simply cannot forget. Perfect Dark still does a lot of thing better than current FPS games. Oh how I miss those days.

The status of being last place?LastRambo341

Who cares? PS3 is in last (barely) and its my favorite console this gen. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO (although still a good console no doubt).

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]The status of being last place?NaveedLife

Who cares? PS3 is in last (barely) and its my favorite console this gen. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO (although still a good console no doubt).

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]The status of being last place?Nintendo_Ownes7

Who cares? PS3 is in last (barely) and its my favorite console this gen. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO (although still a good console no doubt).

lol Yeah I guess your sorta right. I never followed Sega, and I honestly have no idea when each of their consoles came out. I played them at my buddies house, but never bought one, cause I much preffered Nintendo.

You mean when will Nintendo go back to failing?They certainly don't want to go back to that status.

The N64 was pretty disappointing in my opinion. Sure it had SM64, Zelda OOT and Zelda MM. Though nothing else really stands out to me, a lot more stand out to me now with their current console and handhelds. The Wii, DS, 3DS are a lot better than those two previous generations in my opinion. The N64 had some classics but the droughts were horrible and third party support was lacking. The GC had a terrible schedule for game releases but collectively, the library wasn't too bad.

To me personally, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and the Wii is up there with one of my favourites in terms of game releases and sheer quality of Nintendo's first party offerings and the exclusive, niche type third party experiences.

You mean when will Nintendo go back to failing?They certainly don't want to go back to that status.

The N64 was pretty disappointing in my opinion. Sure it had SM64, Zelda OOT and Zelda MM. Though nothing else really stands out to me, a lot more stand out to me now with their current console and handhelds. The Wii, DS, 3DS are a lot better than those two previous generations in my opinion. The N64 had some classics but the droughts were horrible and third party support was lacking. The GC had a terrible schedule for game releases but collectively, the library wasn't too bad.

To me personally, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and the Wii is up there with one of my favourites in terms of game releases and sheer quality of Nintendo's first party offerings and the exclusive, niche type third party experiences.

Haziqonfire

IMO:

OoT is the best Zelda ever (and MM is better than WW and TP)

Mario 64 is the best Mario ever

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were LEGENDARY for their time and still do a lot right today

plus it introduced Smash Bros and 3D mario Kart, in addition to so much more. N64 beats Wii by a long shot :P.

IMO:

OoT is the best Zelda ever (and MM is better than WW and TP)

Mario 64 is the best Mario ever

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were LEGENDARY for their time and still do a lot right today

plus it introduced Smash Bros and 3D mario Kart, in addition to so much more. N64 beats Wii by a long shot :P.

NaveedLife

I'd say while those games are classics, they've all been outdone.

Ocarina of Time is a great game (so far, the 3D version) - but it's obvious other Zelda games after (with the except of TP) have taken what was done in the past and 1UP'd them. Majora's Mask was another twist on what Ocarina of Time did. Wind Waker expanded the exploration, combat and visual styIe, allowing for more facial expressions through it's art styIe. TP kind of took a step back from WW and Skyward Sword seems to have addressed every issue that still remains within the Zelda titles. Things like boring combat, boring parts between dungeons, always finding chests with Rupees, better exploration akin to Wind Waker, etc. have been addressed.

In terms of Mario, I've always liked the 2D games more. SMG and SMG2 feel more linear and more aligned with what Nintendo did with 2D Mario's. A 3D, open world type Mario will always have it's place, but I much prefer the Galaxy games. Though in all honesty, I think each Mario game has been better than the previous. I think Sunshine was better than 64, Galaxy was better than Sunshine and Galaxy 2 was better than Galaxy. Plus, according to GT the new 3DS Mario is more like SM64, so you should be happy about that :P.

In terms of FPS, I don't care too much cause I don't play FPS lol.

The N64 created a lot of the foundation of future games, but I feel that all those titles have been out done by their sequels. While the N64 sure had some great first party content, I'd argue the Wii has had it's fair share. A brand new Metroid, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Mario all came out in one year. The Wii also has two Zelda games, a Smash Brothers game, a Mario Kart game, Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Punch Out, Metroid Prime 3/Trilogy, a 2D Mario game with multiplayer that people have wanted for 15 years, another Kirby game, a Super Paper Mario game, two excite truck games and a localized Sin & Punishment title.

I'd say their efforts this generation has been far better than the previous two. Though, the problem is they have very limited third party support; so it's definitely lacking when you're missing out on multiplatform releases.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You mean when will Nintendo go back to failing?They certainly don't want to go back to that status.

The N64 was pretty disappointing in my opinion. Sure it had SM64, Zelda OOT and Zelda MM. Though nothing else really stands out to me, a lot more stand out to me now with their current console and handhelds. The Wii, DS, 3DS are a lot better than those two previous generations in my opinion. The N64 had some classics but the droughts were horrible and third party support was lacking. The GC had a terrible schedule for game releases but collectively, the library wasn't too bad.

To me personally, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and the Wii is up there with one of my favourites in terms of game releases and sheer quality of Nintendo's first party offerings and the exclusive, niche type third party experiences.

NaveedLife

IMO:

OoT is the best Zelda ever (and MM is better than WW and TP)

Mario 64 is the best Mario ever

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were LEGENDARY for their time and still do a lot right today

plus it introduced Smash Bros and 3D mario Kart, in addition to so much more. N64 beats Wii by a long shot :P.

Plus, according to GT the new 3DS Mario is more like SM64, so you should be happy about that .Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Plus, according to GT the new 3DS Mario is more like SM64, so you should be happy about that .ConanTheStoner

They say it in this video at 3:10.

"Imagine having the sequel to Super Mario 64 in the palm of your hand."

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Plus, according to GT the new 3DS Mario is more like SM64, so you should be happy about that .Haziqonfire

They say it in this video at 3:10.

"Imagine having the sequel to Super Mario 64 in the palm of your hand."

[QUOTE="starfox15"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Since when did perfecting and making good games = innovative :? It doesn't mean it. Rare was awesome, not innovative though.

NeonNinja

Rare made one of the first FPS titles to compete and even go above what was capable on a PC for it's time. If you don't want to see that as innovative that's your decision, but don't pretend that it wasn't completely and totally revolutionary for it's time.

Rare got it's beginning years before in the game Jetpac (1983). Years later they developed quite a few more notable titles including Battletoads, one of the most graphically impressive and absolute most difficult games in video game history. A few years later Nintendo picked them up and silenced naysayers with their gem. Maybe you remember it? Donkey Kong Country.

3 years later they crafted one of the most advanced and powerful FPS's in history with Goldeneye.

If you don't want to acknowledge Rare's achievements, I suggest heading to the 360 boards.

Most of your post is irrelevant. The discussion is how Rare was innovative during the N64 era, which they were not. Jetpack, Battletoads, Donkey Kong Country, they have nothing to do with it. As far as Goldeneye. Good game. A bit over-rated, but it did nothing innovative for the shooter genre. It was in no way comparable to other shooters of the time such as Quake II. Goldeneye did NOT elevate console shooters to the same level as PC shooters. That was evident to me as a child during that time period.

Rare's best game in the Nintendo 64 era was Banjo-Kazooie. And I still view it as one of the greatest platformers of that era. However, Rare were not innovative. This is hardly a point of contention. They are heavily regarded as a studio that takes Nintendo's idea and tries to make games out of those ideas. Even their final game made for Nintendo, Star Fox Adventures, was a copy of Zelda. Diddy Kong Racing was a copy of Mario Kart, etc. Rare put their own ideas into the games as well, they aren't knock-offs by any means. But Rare have been the farthest thing from an innovative studio throughout most of their history. Take off those rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia. They were good. They still are good in certain cases. But they were notand are not innovative.

This is why you won't understand or appreciate what it did for console FPS's at the time, or what Rare actually did innovate in terms of gameplay with its other projects.

. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO.

NaveedLife

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO.

KBFloYd

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

The 3DS IS N64 Status, AM I RIGHT SYSTEM WARS?

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO.

tomarlyn

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

it means 90million people liked it enough to spend 250$ andbuy it.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO.

KBFloYd

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]. Wii is in first and its the worst console Nintendo has ever put out IMO.

locopatho

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

90million peoples opinions>your opinion

KBFloYd

it means 90million people liked it enough to spend 250$ andbuy it.

The nintendo that we grew up with is no longer the same nintendo we see today. There main focus is appealing to people who dont regularly game, i.e the non gamer (heck ms is starting to go all casual because of how much succes ninty had). sure theyll released a few quality titles but the nintendo of old is long gone. Dont believe me? check out both commercials and tell me one isnt casualized to fit a non gamer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Mf2mp6fms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhvQXKKfSVE&feature=related

The nintendo that we grew up with is no longer the same nintendo we see today. There main focus is appealing to people who dont regularly game, i.e the non gamer (heck ms is starting to go all casual because of how much succes ninty had). sure theyll released a few quality titles but the nintendo of old is long gone. Dont believe me? check out both commercials and tell me one isnt casualized to fit a non gamer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Mf2mp6fms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhvQXKKfSVE&feature=related

l____x___O____l

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Plus, according to GT the new 3DS Mario is more like SM64, so you should be happy about that .Haziqonfire

They say it in this video at 3:10.

"Imagine having the sequel to Super Mario 64 in the palm of your hand."

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You mean when will Nintendo go back to failing?They certainly don't want to go back to that status.

The N64 was pretty disappointing in my opinion. Sure it had SM64, Zelda OOT and Zelda MM. Though nothing else really stands out to me, a lot more stand out to me now with their current console and handhelds. The Wii, DS, 3DS are a lot better than those two previous generations in my opinion. The N64 had some classics but the droughts were horrible and third party support was lacking. The GC had a terrible schedule for game releases but collectively, the library wasn't too bad.

To me personally, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and the Wii is up there with one of my favourites in terms of game releases and sheer quality of Nintendo's first party offerings and the exclusive, niche type third party experiences.

NaveedLife

IMO:

OoT is the best Zelda ever (and MM is better than WW and TP)

Mario 64 is the best Mario ever

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were LEGENDARY for their time and still do a lot right today

plus it introduced Smash Bros and 3D mario Kart, in addition to so much more. N64 beats Wii by a long shot :P.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] That doesn't mean 90 milion people actually liked it after buying.tomarlyn

it means 90million people liked it enough to spend 250$ andbuy it.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You mean when will Nintendo go back to failing?They certainly don't want to go back to that status.

The N64 was pretty disappointing in my opinion. Sure it had SM64, Zelda OOT and Zelda MM. Though nothing else really stands out to me, a lot more stand out to me now with their current console and handhelds. The Wii, DS, 3DS are a lot better than those two previous generations in my opinion. The N64 had some classics but the droughts were horrible and third party support was lacking. The GC had a terrible schedule for game releases but collectively, the library wasn't too bad.

To me personally, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and the Wii is up there with one of my favourites in terms of game releases and sheer quality of Nintendo's first party offerings and the exclusive, niche type third party experiences.

Pegalamp

IMO:

OoT is the best Zelda ever (and MM is better than WW and TP)

Mario 64 is the best Mario ever

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were LEGENDARY for their time and still do a lot right today

plus it introduced Smash Bros and 3D mario Kart, in addition to so much more. N64 beats Wii by a long shot :P.