When will there be an open-world/ sandbox game that allows you to kill children?

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#1 nervmeister
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^^topic question^^

It's getting a bit annoying that in games like Fable 2 or GTAIV, you can't kill child NPC's. The lack of such ruins the potential for immersion in these types of games and only shows just how much devs are slaves to bleeding-heart "concerned parents" who want to destroy free expression in the name of so-called "morality".

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#2 HelloMoto56
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^^topic question^^

It's getting a bit annoying that in games like Fable 2 or GTAIV, you can't kill child NPC's. The lack of such ruins the potential for immersion in these types of games and only shows just how much devs are slaves to bleeding-heart "concerned parents" who want to destroy free expression in the name of so-called "morality".

nervmeister

who cares?

strangely, i'd prefer if a game didn't have you ripping the heads off children, but hey, crazy me right?

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#3 Silverbond
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You want to kill children? Seriously?

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#4 h575309
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Probably when you go to hell.

Edit: When one goes to hell

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#5 lundy86_4
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I'm ok without it.

Nowadays you have to be careful and respectful. That's life.

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#6 mystervj
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It's gona be featured in the next EA game.
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#7 Sp4rtan_3
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Because shooting an adult is funner then blasting a kid with a shotgun.
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#8 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Not anytime soon, since it's an unnecessarily disgusting addition, that would cause more trouble than good.
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#9 DarkLink77
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Kids SHOULD be off limits. Jesus, you'd think some gamers actually WANTED to be treated like psychopaths.

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#10 SaltyMeatballs
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Probably because of Pedos. But I don't think it's that they can't, just that the developers themselves don't see the NEED. Really, I never noticed it or care to much. I don't see how not being able to kill a child in a game takes away much immersion. In GTA IV there were gangs of what looked like "youths", close enough.
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#11 erglesmergle
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That would be great. Imagine GTA 4 having kids walking to school and parents with baby carriages. NICE.

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#12 Chutebox
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It's annoying that you can't kill children?

/nervous laugh.

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#13 crippled_ram
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Why would you want to kill children? :?
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#14 tagyhag
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Fallout 2, Fallout 3 with mods.
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#15 markinthedark
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Why would you want to kill children? :?crippled_ram

why wouldnt you?

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#16 angelkimne
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I'm with TC completely, I WANT TO KILL CHILDREN. You listening developers!? I do it often in real life, but I need something to do in the rest of my time. A baby-eating simulator would be nice as well. [spoiler] jk, a baby eating simulator would be pointless since you don't get any of the great taste. [/spoiler]
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#17 Aidenfury19
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I'm willing to bet thats already in Postal 2.

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#18 nervmeister
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Probably because of Pedos.SaltyMeatballs
Dude, I don't want a game where the player can have sex with them.
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#19 crippled_ram
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]Why would you want to kill children? :?markinthedark

why wouldnt you?

Because that's just psychopathic?
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#20 nervmeister
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Why would you want to kill children? :?crippled_ram
Not saying I desperately want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance.

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#21 lordreaven
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Fallout 2 allowed you to kill kids. Thats WITHOUT mods

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#22 ArchoNils2
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I'm pretty sure, that ESRB and USK block everything that involves the possibility to freely kill children, that's at least what I heard from Fallout 3. Anyway, you might find mods to unlock the child-protection in games like Fallout 3 if you search for them

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#23 rickatick
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It's annoying that you can't kill children?

/nervous laugh.

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I lol'd. Ot, too controversial, plus thats just wrong bro...
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#24 crippled_ram
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]Why would you want to kill children? :?nervmeister

Not saying I want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance.

I don't think it makes any difference, to be honest. I haven't ever, er, missed being able to kill children in GTA or Fable or Saint's Row or any other game for that mater.
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#25 SparkyProtocol
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Not anytime soon, since it's an unnecessarily disgusting addition, that would cause more trouble than good.IronBass
It's no different than killing anything else, but hey I guess I'm a serial killer. You can have an option not to but making it taboo is silly, in my eyes. Fable 2 or Oblivion (one NPC :P) should be enough reason. Plus it'd make sandbox games more realistic/have more variety.
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#26 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Probably because of Pedos.nervmeister
Dude, I don't want a game where the player can have sex with them.

Ok, maybe what I meant were child abusers. There are some sickos out there who would take too much satisfaction out of killing children in a game. I think killing adult civilians, prostitutes (they don't count as civilians right?, and cops in GTA is enough.
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#27 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]Why would you want to kill children? :?crippled_ram

why wouldnt you?

Because that's just psychopathic?

going around and shooting your friends in the face isnt exactly good behavior either... but yet we do it all the time online.

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#28 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Not saying I want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance or authenticity.nervmeister
Relevance? How would killing children make a game more relevant? And authenticity is a weak argument. Adding over-disturbing elements to games just for authenticity's sake makes little sense. There are lots of better ways of improving games than killing children.
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#29 nervmeister
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Because shooting an adult is funner then blasting a kid with a shotgun.Sp4rtan_3
Eh. Depends.
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#30 Silverbond
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Plus it'd make sandbox games more realistic/have more variety.SparkyProtocol

1. You want realism in a sandbox game?

2. You want child killing realism in a sandbox game?

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#31 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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It's no different than killing anything elseSparkyProtocol
With that I disagree.
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#32 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="angelkimne"]I'm with TC completely, I WANT TO KILL CHILDREN. You listening developers!? I do it often in real life, but I need something to do in the rest of my time. A baby-eating simulator would be nice as well. [spoiler] jk, a baby eating simulator would be pointless since you don't get any of the great taste. [/spoiler]

:lol: ageed
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#33 dark-warmachine
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Is this related to Deus Ex? and I guess with the condition of an open world/sandboxin mind, Bioshock don't count.

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#34 lordreaven
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AGin i point ot Fallout 2, and i don't remeber any controversy around that.

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"] Not saying I want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance or authenticity.IronBass
Relevance? How would killing children make a game more relevant? And authenticity is a weak argument. Adding over-disturbing elements to games just for authenticity's sake makes little sense. There are lots of better ways of improving games than killing children.

you sound like jack thompson talking about how halo is a murder simulator.

they are just games right? so what does it matter?

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"] Not saying I want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance or authenticity.IronBass
Relevance? How would killing children make a game more relevant? And authenticity is a weak argument. Adding over-disturbing elements to games just for authenticity's sake makes little sense. There are lots of better ways of improving games than killing children.

It's just a game. One of the biggest features of sandbox games is killing people anyways. Rockstar games anyways.
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#37 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Because shooting an adult is funner then blasting a kid with a shotgun.nervmeister
Eh. Depends.

How does it depend ? Give me ONE instance where shooting a kid would be acceptable ?
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#38 Phaze-Two
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i think it would be fun to run over kids in a GTA game. like a woman pushing a baby cairrage. with realistic organ/blood physics.

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#39 crippled_ram
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

why wouldnt you?

markinthedark

Because that's just psychopathic?

going around and shooting your friends in the face isnt exactly good behavior either... but yet we do it all the time online.

Uh, yeah. I can live with that- it's my friends, and all of us are engaging in the same game willingly. An NPC child character being killed in a game though, now that's just distrubing. Look at it this way- I've played NSMB Wii loads, often with with my younger brother qualifies as a kid. I keep throwing him into pits, thus 'killing' him. I have no qualms with that, because we're both willingly agreeing to play by the rules of the game. Does that make it clearer?
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#40 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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they are just games right? so what does it matter?markinthedark
I just think certain things are off-limits. Killing children being one of them.
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Because shooting an adult is funner then blasting a kid with a shotgun.Sp4rtan_3
Eh. Depends.

How does it depend ? Give me ONE instance where shooting a kid would be acceptable ?

like if he's skatebording across the street. just blast his head off. i'd accept that,as being fun that is.

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#42 Vari3ty
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Can you imagine the public backlash? There would be no way the game would be successful with such strong public outcry.

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#43 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Because shooting an adult is funner then blasting a kid with a shotgun.Sp4rtan_3
Eh. Depends.

How does it depend ? Give me ONE instance where shooting a kid would be acceptable ?

When there's two of them standing next to each other and you can get an easy Double Kill with one shot?

[spoiler] Really, this thread was made for dark humour. [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"] Because that's just psychopathic?crippled_ram

going around and shooting your friends in the face isnt exactly good behavior either... but yet we do it all the time online.

Uh, yeah. I can live with that- it's my friends, and all of us are engaging in the same game willingly. An NPC child character being killed in a game though, now that's just distrubing. Look at it this way- I've played NSMB Wii loads, often with with my younger brother qualifies as a kid. I keep throwing him into pits, thus 'killing' him. I have no qualms with that, because we're both willingly agreeing to play by the rules of the game. Does that make it clearer?

So NPCs have feelings now and are consenting adults?

you telling me you never once ran over an innocent civilian in a GTA game mr high and mighty?

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#45 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]It's no different than killing anything elseIronBass
With that I disagree.

But they aren't real. :o "Should I kill this annoying little kid that kicked my dog or this poor widow?" Simple, kill both. It's just a game. :/
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#46 Phaze-Two
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Can you imagine the public backlash? There would be no way the game would be successful with such strong public outcry.

Vari3ty

or would it.... heheheheheh

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#47 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="nervmeister"] Not saying I want to. just saying that it should be included for the sake of relevance or authenticity.SparkyProtocol
Relevance? How would killing children make a game more relevant? And authenticity is a weak argument. Adding over-disturbing elements to games just for authenticity's sake makes little sense. There are lots of better ways of improving games than killing children.

It's just a game. One of the biggest features of sandbox games is killing people anyways. Rockstar games anyways.

There is big difference between killing adults and SHOOTING children. No developer in this age would add such a ridiculous and unnecessary feature.
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#48 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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It's because certain countries prohibit it, the children in Fallout 2 were deleted in both the UK and the German versions.
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#49 crippled_ram
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

going around and shooting your friends in the face isnt exactly good behavior either... but yet we do it all the time online.

markinthedark

Uh, yeah. I can live with that- it's my friends, and all of us are engaging in the same game willingly. An NPC child character being killed in a game though, now that's just distrubing. Look at it this way- I've played NSMB Wii loads, often with with my younger brother qualifies as a kid. I keep throwing him into pits, thus 'killing' him. I have no qualms with that, because we're both willingly agreeing to play by the rules of the game. Does that make it clearer?

So NPCs have feelings now and are consenting adults?

you telling me you never once ran over an innocent civilian in a GTA game mr high and mighty?

Yeah, I'm telling you that I didn't play GTA for the longest time, and that when I did, I never killed people needlessly, only if the mission required it.
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#50 lordreaven
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Borderlands allows you to kill kids.....wait....no......nevermid those are midgets.