When will we have games that surpass Crysis?

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If your going by that screenshot ? Right here

Hakkai007

Looks bad.

Fear 2 looks better than that.

Um no it doesnt , but this is coming from the guy who thought dragon age on pc looked better then anything on consoles lol.

Probably Witcher 2. However, it's going to be very hard to top a fully maxed out Crysis.

The benchmark of all in-game graphics:

redneckdouglas

Thats the footage they showed of Crysis before the game was releaed and that still looks better then vanilla max settings of today.

Um no it doesnt , but this is coming from the guy who tought dragon age on pc looked better then anything on consoles lol.

TheSterls

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Thats the footage they showed of Crysis before the game was releaed and that still looks better then vanilla max settings of today.

TheSterls

Crysis Warhead with mainstream(medium)/gamer(high) settings running on my old Sony Vaio VGN-FW45 laptop.

PS; I prefer Crysis Warhead's out-of-the-box ToD settings.

Id hate to inform you but Crytek doesnt release pics of what the games going to look like on average settings. I remeber the original Crysis footage they showed back in 2006 before the game released wich looked far better then the game at max settings. i wonder if there do the same with Crysis 2.

TheSterls

Thats the footage they showed of Crysis before the game was releaed and that still looks better then vanilla max settings of today.

TheSterls

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Magik85"]3 years old Crysis is not that impressive anymore....other thing is Crysis + mods.GeneralShowzer

Its been out for 3 years, and there hasnt been any graphical progress in the industry. Do you think developers are waiting until the next consoles to come out before devoting resources (and money) to produce better visuals? And releasing them multi-platform?

reachrocksman

Will any developer please just make a game that looks better then Crysis? Three years and that's all I ever hear about when people talk about "the best graphics"

[QUOTE="altairs_mentor"]when uncharted 3 comes outmillerlight89

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"] when 80% of PCs today are notebooks with integrated intel graphic accelerators.coreybg

And you came to the conclusion because?

If you mean Crysis that 99 % of us actually played (medium or high settings and - lets face it - a few framerate issues), then yes, there are quite a few better looking games (particulary PS3 exclusives).BlbecekBobecek

So, where are those better looking PS3 games?

3 years old Crysis is not that impressive anymore....other thing is Crysis + mods.Magik85

Vanilla Crysis in high -not even Warhead and not even very high or enthusiast- puts on shame in visuals the 99% of current games (both console and PC). modding only increases the gap.

[QUOTE="Magik85"]3 years old Crysis is not that impressive anymore....other thing is Crysis + mods.Ondoval

Vanilla Crysis in high -not even Warhead and not even very high or enthusiast- puts on shame in visuals the 99% of current games (both console and PC). modding only increases the gap.

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[QUOTE="Magik85"]3 years old Crysis is not that impressive anymore....other thing is Crysis + mods.BlbecekBobecek

Vanilla Crysis in high -not even Warhead and not even very high or enthusiast- puts on shame in visuals the 99% of current games (both console and PC). modding only increases the gap.

They're good, but don't keep up.

In 2011.

coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

Lot of people here with very little knowledge about Crysis, it's mods and how they affect the game and it's performance.

coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

Then you shouldn't have quoted a post referring to mods. Furthermore, Crysis maxed out on PC still looks technically superior to those games in most respects.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.coolbeans90

Then you shouldn't have quoted a post referring to mods. Furthermore, Crysis maxed out on PC still looks technically superior to those games in most respects.

and it looks nowhere nearly as good as Killzone 2. I refuse to argue about that, its a simple fact. Anyone not blind can see it for himself.BlbecekBobecek

You just proved 1 of 2 things:

1. You've never played Crysis.

2. You haven't maxed it out.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

Well 'dude' i have also played crysis on high at 720p and it looks easily better than killzone 2. The whole of your argument implies that you have not played crysis, despite your claim, or at least not on the settings you claim. Your "simple fact" is hiliarious that you actually consider that fact, look the definition up, it might help you in further arguments.

Ive also played crysis with the CCC config at 1080p, no changes to the assets at all, just editing the existing settings and it easily destroys anything a current gen console has reached.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"] and it looks nowhere nearly as good as Killzone 2. I refuse to argue about that, its a simple fact. Anyone not blind can see it for himself.coreybg

You just proved 1 of 2 things:

1. You've never played Crysis.

2. You haven't maxed it out.

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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

Then you shouldn't have quoted a post referring to mods. Furthermore, Crysis maxed out on PC still looks technically superior to those games in most respects.

Fair enough. The games still most certainly do not "keep up." Refer to screenshots of vanilla Crysis maxed. If you're going to cherry pick software settings, then essentially you're saying that the PS3 is keeping up with castrated versions of the PC software/hardware.

coolbeans: They do look better than Crysis on high, without a doubt. Maxed Crysis with all the reality mods installed is another story.BlbecekBobecek

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does not look better than Crysis on high.

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And probably not even medium...although at some points it could about match it.

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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"] and it looks nowhere nearly as good as Killzone 2. I refuse to argue about that, its a simple fact. Anyone not blind can see it for himself.BlbecekBobecek

You just proved 1 of 2 things:

1. You've never played Crysis.

2. You haven't maxed it out.

KZ2:

The I removed the few mods I had installed over Warhead and reduced the settings from Enthusiast to Gamer. Then I snapped two random shots from a random savegame. So no mods and not maxed:

Now lets see what the actual difference between 720p and 1920*1080 will be on the same screen:

this time, I've upscaled the KZ shot to illustrate the two images occupying the same size screen. Obviously, the lower res image will have less pixels to work with.

Edit: That's still unmodded Warhead on High.

Editedit: "it does'nt look like that for me!!!". Yes, it does. You're just sitting at a distance from your TV and the images still illustrate the difference of having twice as many pixels to work with.

The unsustainable nature of the games market has driven most 3rd party developers cross platform, and the ones who aren't cross platform aren't willing to invest the tens of millions to push hardware.

Welcome to peak graphics, it's all downhill from here.

It's not that the hardware to advance graphics doesn't exist, it's just too expensive to develop on. So you get 3rd party exclusives that don't push tech, cross platform games that are console limited, or the only games that do push tech; 1st party projects (who are also console limited). And seeing how 1st party projects require a 1st party, there isn't anyone to push PC.

The only hope for games technology continuing to advance, graphically, is if the likes of Nvidia and ATI one day decide they need to create their own hardware adoption justifications. There is no need for a 500 series card today, hell no need for a 400 series card. So if they want to sell their new hardware, perhaps they will start making their own games.

The unsustainable nature of the games market has driven most 3rd party developers cross platform, and the ones who aren't cross platform aren't willing to invest the tens of millions to push hardware.

Welcome to peak graphics, it's all downhill from here.

It's not that the hardware to advance graphics doesn't exist, it's just too expensive to develop on. So you get 3rd party exclusives that don't push tech, cross platform games that are console limited, or the only games that do push tech; 1st party projects (who are also console limited). And seeing how 1st party projects require a 1st party, there isn't anyone to push PC.

The only hope for games technology continuing to advance, graphically, is if the likes of Nvidia and ATI one day decide they need to create their own hardware adoption justifications. There is no need for a 500 series card today, hell no need for a 400 series card. So if they want to sell their new hardware, perhaps they will start making their own games.

AnnoyedDragon

It's not too expensive.

CD Projeckt developed the engine and the game The Witcher 2 with only budget of 8 million.

8 million created a new engine and this.

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I can name a few gt5,metal gear 4,uncharted 2,and resistance 2.

steve8198

Lol wut resistance 2?dommeus

I laughed at them all but the Resistence 2 bit was quite hilarious.

Depends, if we're talking about how it looks on our own rigs then plenty of games have surpassed Crysis for me. I can only run it on medium so thats how i base my judgement, not pictures of what it will never look like for me (not big on PC gaming tbh)

It's not too expensive.

CD Projeckt developed the engine and the game The Witcher 2 with only budget of 8 million.

8 million created a new engine and this.

Hakkai007

I have not seen anything in the Witcher 2 to suggest it is anywhere near Crysis 1 level.

Depends, if we're talking about how it looks on our own rigs then plenty of games have surpassed Crysis for me. I can only run it on medium so thats how i base my judgement, not pictures of what it will never look like for me (not big on PC gaming tbh)

dachase

Ok then quake 3 is the best looking game because my ps1, n64 and sega saturn cannot play games from this gen.

I have not seen anything in the Witcher 2 to suggest it is anywhere near Crysis 1 level.

AnnoyedDragon

We won't know until it comes out.

But it sure as hell looks better than almost any game judging by pics and the game play I saw in person.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

It's not too expensive.

CD Projeckt developed the engine and the game The Witcher 2 with only budget of 8 million.

8 million created a new engine and this.

AnnoyedDragon

I have not seen anything in the Witcher 2 to suggest it is anywhere near Crysis 1 level.

"Anywhere near" is quite an exageration. It may not be quite up there, but considering these are early shots, when the full game is out and running on max, I am sure it will give Crysis a run for its money.

These are the same people who used a 2003 engine to make a 2008 game look modern, and now with their own brand new engine, I am expecting quite awesome graphics, their entire game making mentality is one I can actually agree with, so I am expecting it to excel in all ways.

"Anywhere near" is quite an exageration. It may not be quite up there, but considering these are early shots, when the full game is out and running on max, I am sure it will give Crysis a run for its money.

110million

Again, I'm just not seeing it.

Someone may find it more aesthetically pleasing, but I'm talking technical quality.

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"Anywhere near" is quite an exageration. It may not be quite up there, but considering these are early shots, when the full game is out and running on max, I am sure it will give Crysis a run for its money.

AnnoyedDragon

Again, I'm just not seeing it.

Someone may find it more aesthetically pleasing, but I'm talking technical quality.

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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

It's not too expensive.

CD Projeckt developed the engine and the game The Witcher 2 with only budget of 8 million.

8 million created a new engine and this.

110million

I have not seen anything in the Witcher 2 to suggest it is anywhere near Crysis 1 level.

"Anywhere near" is quite an exageration. It may not be quite up there, but considering these are early shots, when the full game is out and running on max, I am sure it will give Crysis a run for its money.

These are the same people who used a 2003 engine to make a 2008 game look modern, and now with their own brand new engine, I am expecting quite awesome graphics, their entire game making mentality is one I can actually agree with, so I am expecting it to excel in all ways.

Is that how Witcher 2 will be played though, with an over the shoulder behind the back perspective? Seems more like a bullshot to me (ie a pre rendered scene in the game, not actual gameplay).

Is that how Witcher 2 will be played though, with an over the shoulder behind the back perspective? Seems more like a bullshot to me (ie a pre rendered scene in the game, not actual gameplay).

menes777

Nope it's in game.

You can zoom in like that.

I dont understand how you talk about "technical visuals" and "visual visuals" (or whatever)... In my understanding, technology is only a tool, that devs use to make a game look good. If you want to talk about technological level of a games visuals, then Crysis isnt at all that impressive. It looks great thanks to great hardware it runs on - it has ultrasharp textures because its on 1 GB graphics RAM, etc. Killzone is easily more technologically advanced since it uses cutting edge techniques like deffered shading (thanks to which the lighting effects of KZ2 look superior to anything Crysis is capable of), incredible particle effects, etc. Which, on the other hand, changes nothing on the fact that maxed out Crysis simply does look better than Killzone 2. The raw power of hardware running maxed out Crysis is so much higher - Crysis has more polygons, sharper textures, higher resolution, better physics, etc. Thats something the technical fineses of Killzone 2 cannot compete with.BlbecekBobecek

Along with better particles that's part of the "better technical graphics".

Another example is that if you throw a grnade into a building in KZ2/3, you may send a little debris and a barrel flying.

In Crysis this happens non scripted:

And I have no idea why you'd think KZ3 has better lighting.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]I dont understand how you talk about "technical visuals" and "visual visuals" (or whatever)... In my understanding, technology is only a tool, that devs use to make a game look good. If you want to talk about technological level of a games visuals, then Crysis isnt at all that impressive. It looks great thanks to great hardware it runs on - it has ultrasharp textures because its on 1 GB graphics RAM, etc. Killzone is easily more technologically advanced since it uses cutting edge techniques like deffered shading (thanks to which the lighting effects of KZ2 look superior to anything Crysis is capable of), incredible particle effects, etc. Which, on the other hand, changes nothing on the fact that maxed out Crysis simply does look better than Killzone 2. The raw power of hardware running maxed out Crysis is so much higher - Crysis has more polygons, sharper textures, higher resolution, better physics, etc. Thats something the technical fineses of Killzone 2 cannot compete with.Filthybastrd

Along with better particles that's part of the "better technical graphics".

Another example is that if you throw a grnade into a building in KZ2/3, you may send a little debris and a barrel flying.

In Crysis this happens non scripted:

If you wanna see good particles, watch THIS

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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]I dont understand how you talk about "technical visuals" and "visual visuals" (or whatever)... In my understanding, technology is only a tool, that devs use to make a game look good. If you want to talk about technological level of a games visuals, then Crysis isnt at all that impressive. It looks great thanks to great hardware it runs on - it has ultrasharp textures because its on 1 GB graphics RAM, etc. Killzone is easily more technologically advanced since it uses cutting edge techniques like deffered shading (thanks to which the lighting effects of KZ2 look superior to anything Crysis is capable of), incredible particle effects, etc. Which, on the other hand, changes nothing on the fact that maxed out Crysis simply does look better than Killzone 2. The raw power of hardware running maxed out Crysis is so much higher - Crysis has more polygons, sharper textures, higher resolution, better physics, etc. Thats something the technical fineses of Killzone 2 cannot compete with.Silenthps

Along with better particles that's part of the "better technical graphics".

Another example is that if you throw a grnade into a building in KZ2/3, you may send a little debris and a barrel flying.

In Crysis this happens non scripted:

If you wanna see good particles, watch THIS

That was pretty much my point ;)

I demonstrated enviromental physics and destructability and you demonstrated what Crysis can do with particles. Crytek did leave out that level of crazy from vanilla but that does'nt change that the option is still there.

[QUOTE="Magik85"]3 years old Crysis is not that impressive anymore....other thing is Crysis + mods.Silenthps