Where is the Wiimote FPS Revolution?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

So the graphics made the experience more atmospheric. Did that change the core gameplay any?mjarantilla

did it change the core gameplay? Not any less than wiimote changed core gameplay of MOH: H2 or RedSteel.

I'm PCgamer though. Remember that. I'm talking from PC perspective. So no wonder everything Wii does looks like rehash to me. Maybe from console owner's perspective it's all more fresh.

It's a revolution for console shooters, then. It's kind of like the DS. The DS basically adds a mouse to portables. So does the Wii. Everyone knows KB/M is the best and most precise form of point control, anyway. What the PC lacks, however, is accurate and intuitive analog control. The Wiimote + nunchuck is, therefore, a merger of the best control qualities of both PCs and traditional consoles.

Beyond that, the Wiimote also has gesture controls. The motion sensors on the nunchuck, for example, can be used for quick dodging, something which has never really been part of FPSes but was used to great effect in Gears of War. It's more intuitive, too, since quick dodges are supposed to be done as a reflex, and it's a lot faster and easier to twitch your hand in the direction you want your character to dodge than to move an analog stick in that direction then press a totally separate button to initiate the dodge.

Well..it also does some things worse than KB+mouse or analog pads though. So it's not merger of best of both. Plus while you write nice things, this is just theory, no Wii games use it like that anyway

I play my PC for FPS's, console controls are really slow and unresponsive compared to KB+M.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

So the graphics made the experience more atmospheric. Did that change the core gameplay any?AdrianWerner

did it change the core gameplay? Not any less than wiimote changed core gameplay of MOH: H2 or RedSteel.

I'm PCgamer though. Remember that. I'm talking from PC perspective. So no wonder everything Wii does looks like rehash to me. Maybe from console owner's perspective it's all more fresh.

It's a revolution for console shooters, then. It's kind of like the DS. The DS basically adds a mouse to portables. So does the Wii. Everyone knows KB/M is the best and most precise form of point control, anyway. What the PC lacks, however, is accurate and intuitive analog control. The Wiimote + nunchuck is, therefore, a merger of the best control qualities of both PCs and traditional consoles.

Beyond that, the Wiimote also has gesture controls. The motion sensors on the nunchuck, for example, can be used for quick dodging, something which has never really been part of FPSes but was used to great effect in Gears of War. It's more intuitive, too, since quick dodges are supposed to be done as a reflex, and it's a lot faster and easier to twitch your hand in the direction you want your character to dodge than to move an analog stick in that direction then press a totally separate button to initiate the dodge.

Well..it also does some things worse than KB+mouse or analog pads though. So it's not merger of best of both. Plus while you write nice things, this is just theory, no Wii games use it like that anyway

In point of fact, one does: Madden NFL 07. It uses the motion sensing of the nunchuck and Wiimote in exactly the manner I described to execute jukes, stiffarms, celebrations, dives, catches, etc.

Also, of course it does some things worse than KB/M and analog sticks. Every control format has its weaknesses. The point is that it gets rid of both control formats' biggest weaknesses, ones which either totally preclude or cripple entire genres from being played on either control format (fighting games and 3D action/adventures on KB/M, RTSes and shooters on gamepads), while keeping both control formats' main strengths.

TBH, other than a lack of buttons (which isn't all that bad, considering it is only missing about four buttons compared to the gamepad, and the Wii2 can easily correct that), I can't think of many other serious weaknesses. Basically, the Wiimote is the happy middle, with the least drawbacks and the most advantages, with its main disadvantage being easily compensated for.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Demetri_OS

even MOH on 360/PS3 wouldn't compete with Halo 3 sales, so what's your point?

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"][QUOTE="tbone29"]1. FPS selling more on the Wii was NEVER a point from sheep. The 360 is king of console FPS's.

2. Metroid Prime 3 isn't nearly as popular as Halo and they are completely different. Metroid Prime 3 isn't a FPS, so it really shouldn't apply to your arguement.

3. That leaves MOH:H2 which was said to control better than Halo 3.

4. Halo 3 was more anticipated, popular, and was marketed farther to consumers. It's way more appealing to the casuals/masses

5. MOH:H2 is NOT a great game it just happens to control superbly (Or so IGN tells us).coolviper2003

Sony did that with the analog stick.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Demetri_OS

I thought only sheep cared about sales.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Demetri_OS

Why are we now talking about sales? Don't change the subject.

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Haziqonfire

He changed his argument because he was about to get owned. Pathetic.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Demetri_OS

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Erkidu

Metroid 3's controls are TOO good.OGTiago

Then why is it being out sold by Halo 3? Sheep are saying sales result in victory. Why do you claim vicotory with Wii hardware sales, but run away when we talk about software?

If sales determine a revolution, then the Wii is revolution without question :lol:Eponique

For hardware, but software - no dice. Look at the Wii and it's software. I don't see Metriod selling better than Halo 3. And I am being told Metriod's controls are better than Halo. If they are so much better, why hasn't Metriod outsold Halo? Why are you being selective with the sales arguement?

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Demetri_OS"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]MOH:H2 -- Read the IGN Review. "Better controls than MP3"

"controls that spank anything that uses dual analog". They even said that the controls are the best they've seen on a home console, pc is a different story however.
Demetri_OS

[QUOTE="Eponique"]If sales determine a revolution, then the Wii is revolution without question :lol:Demetri_OS

For hardware, but software - no dice. Look at the Wii and it's software. I don't see Metriod selling better than Halo 3. And I am being told Metriod's controls are better than Halo. If they are so much better, why hasn't Metriod outsold Halo? Why are you being selective with the sales arguement?

[QUOTE="Eponique"]If sales determine a revolution, then the Wii is revolution without question :lol:Demetri_OS

For hardware, but software - no dice. Look at the Wii and it's software. I don't see Metriod selling better than Halo 3. And I am being told Metriod's controls are better than Halo. If they are so much better, why hasn't Metriod outsold Halo? Why are you being selective with the sales arguement?

why hasnt metroid outsold halo? this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Halo outsells metroid because its a more appealing genre, its been hyped to death and the last 2 games were some of the best selling games of last generation. The halo fanbase is far wider than the far smaller sect of hardcore metroid fans. Yes metroid has been around for 20 years but it has never broken into the mainstream. the halo series is in the top 10 selling franchises ever, metroid would barely make the top 20. That is why metroid is not outselling halo.

I will say this to you clearly so you can hear it. A sheep has never trumpeted sales as the benchmark for a games quality. How many sheep do you see going around saying that nintendogs is better than every game this generation. Sheep hype sales because they believe it will bring the wii greater 3rd party support, which is the main failing of the wii at the moment.

If sheep claimed sales as the benchmark of quality, why would they hype metroid prime 3 anyway?

[QUOTE="Eponique"]If sales determine a revolution, then the Wii is revolution without question :lol:Demetri_OS

For hardware, but software - no dice. Look at the Wii and it's software. I don't see Metriod selling better than Halo 3. And I am being told Metriod's controls are better than Halo. If they are so much better, why hasn't Metriod outsold Halo? Why are you being selective with the sales arguement?

Nothing outsells Halo... But the next step down... Metroid might outsell Gears of War (xbox 360 only)

Your just hiding behind halo... on average the Wii games are selling as good as the average Xbox 360 game...

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Metroid 3's controls are TOO good.Demetri_OS

Then why is it being out sold by Halo 3? Sheep are saying sales result in victory. Why do you claim vicotory with Wii hardware sales, but run away when we talk about software?

Perhaps because Halo is a brainless and shamelessly populist game accompanied by a marketing behemoth. Metroid requires much more intelligence, puzzle solving and logical thought, and the marketing has been very modest to say the least.