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Brazil: PS3 costs US$600 360 and Wii cost US$500 Games are US$100 Damn import taxes.Wassmansdorff
^^^ THIS is the majior problem in many countries. They Tax the hell out of game as they do not see them as worth anything to the society, and see them as a way to make money off of gamers. Game indurtry needs to make games a world wide event with studioes around the world and make consoles from around the world so countries will at least see them as a way to creat jobs and have some influence in the whole process.
China has a ban on the Xbox, so I'd imagine they've also banned a bunch of other games as well. Don't know if they have PS3s and Wiis over there though.
Venezuela
You can go to jail fro buying or even owning games like GoW, MW2, Killzone, and any other M rated or even T rated game.
Japan because they love JRPG/Animesque gamesBanjo_KongfooieThey've also got a lot of other genre's too. I went to a 'bookstore' in Japan and they had lots of western games, as well as some unique looking horror games.
Any third world country probably. Here in Guatemala most are resellers and the prices are obviously higher. Almost everything in English, probably just FIFA games are in Mexican Spanish. Since most is resellers only what they import is what you get(they don't import everything). Of the first world probably S. Korea. Most of their games are in Japanese and there are problems with their rating system, somewhat like Australia.
Why are so many people saying Australia? I live there, and hardly any games are banned! (the good ones anyway)
It is. Germany's up there too. Then again, Germany has an 18+ rating! :lol:
Hexagon_777
Don't kid yourself. Look up first what we in Germany get stuck with for 18 ratings. The vast majority of 18 rated games here in Germany are heavily censored versions of existing titles, and many shooters don't even make it here. Some companies (like Microsoft) have even refused to release titles in Germany if they don't get rated and declined to release censored versions, simply because they usually don't sell. 19 games were indexed (banned for sale in the open, so they're sold much like porn DVDs in the US) in 2009 alone, with three of them being outright ban candidates (in fact, I think Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 have been banned outright now in their uncensored versions).
Interesting to note is that, in some cases, the MA15+ Australian release is identical to the German USK 18 release.
That's not where it stops though. Gamers in Germany are regularly discriminated against and are always portrayed by the media as being anti-social, violent, sociopaths (of course, egged on by the government). Germany is the only country in Europe that refuses to recognise computer and video games as an artform (again, we have successive governments to thank for this) and numerous German-based development studios have been bombarded by the press and government, and in some cases even harassed.
The media are permitted to use World War 2 material to portray the Nazis, providing that they don't glorify them or play down the atrocities. The one medium that this does not apply to is gaming, in which it is forbidden to talk about Nazis, use the Swastika or even show Adolf Hitler The Nazis in WW2 games like Medal of Honor are not Nazis, but "Germans".
It's nothing to do with the German bureaucracy's aversion to violence - Quantum of Solace, the movie, got rated 12, the game got rated 18 for the same level of violence.
Australia's got it easy in comparison.
even tho its silly i think in general SCEE really need to get their act into gear.Compared to SCEA the storefront is Appaling to no end.The PS1 classics consist of a fair amount of disney shovelware and games people aint heard or dont care bout.
Cause seriously Where the heck is my Grandia,RE1,2,3,Crash 2,Tomb raider 2 and 3 :( and Tomb raider 1 is current PS+ exclusive which is balls.
[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Not too sure people living in Third World Countries plays games or really cares. I'm sure they're more worried about things like food. He wasn't being serious, though. You guys are ridiculous, course there is people in third world country that play games. And no, Australia isn't close to being the country with more bans or higher prices. At least Australia has some games that are launched over there, in some countries people can only get games importing and such. Especially for consoles where distribution still lacks.[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]I was thinking of some third-world septic colony, but that works too. :P
DarkLink77
I'm pretty sure it's worse to be in Zimbabwe, D.R. Congo, Somalia, Ethiopia and so on... than it is to be a gamer in Australia.
At least German gamers can get their games from the United Kingdom which doesn't employ censorship of games and is ridiculously cheap compared to Germany. That is, if they are informed enough. Which friendly neighbour can Australian gamers import from to get cheap, uncensored games in a language that they speak? Uhhh.... New Zealand? Seriously, you're that uneducated? We're like RIGHT next to Australia.[QUOTE="Zombl337"]I would say Austrailia & Germany for the fact that so many games (mostly violent such as Dead Rising & Gears of War) have been banned. I mean they couldnt even release less gory versions for them at least?! (or did they release "cenesored" versions??!?!)Hexagon_777
Definitely australia, they get so many games banned, and even when they do get a game, it takes forever for them to actually get the game.
WiiMan21
Games rarely get banned here, and many (non-Nintendo) big-budget games get released here before the rest of the world due to timezone differences. The biggest problem is the inflated prices, that's why piracy such a popular choice here.
Australia and they don't even allow fireworks :oX360PS3AMD05
Where do people get these misconceptions? Fireworks are legal if you acquire a permit, it's so drunken idiots don't go blowing their hands off. Firecrackers are easily obtained, though.
I hear Austrailia is pretty bad. Germany is up there too, with their strict ratings and censorships on games. But they can import PAL games from other european countries. And yeah, North Korea for obvious reasons. :P killerfistAnd many informed, German gamers already do that, considering how cheap and censor free the UK is. UK websites are also more than willing to take on the additional custom.
And many informed, German gamers already do that, considering how cheap and censor free the UK is. UK websites are also more than willing to take on the additional custom.[QUOTE="killerfist"]I hear Austrailia is pretty bad. Germany is up there too, with their strict ratings and censorships on games. But they can import PAL games from other european countries. And yeah, North Korea for obvious reasons. :P Hexagon_777
Isn't that considered a crime to import stuff that is banned ?
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]It is. Germany's up there too. Then again, Germany has an 18+ rating! :lol:jamyskisDon't kid yourself. Look up first what we in Germany get stuck with for 18 ratings. The vast majority of 18 rated games here in Germany are heavily censored versions of existing titles, and many shooters don't even make it here. Some companies (like Microsoft) have even refused to release titles in Germany if they don't get rated and declined to release censored versions, simply because they usually don't sell. 19 games were indexed (banned for sale in the open, so they're sold much like porn DVDs in the US) in 2009 alone, with three of them being outright ban candidates (in fact, I think Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 have been banned outright now in their uncensored versions).
Interesting to note is that, in some cases, the MA15+ Australian release is identical to the German USK 18 release.
That's not where it stops though. Gamers in Germany are regularly discriminated against and are always portrayed by the media as being anti-social, violent, sociopaths (of course, egged on by the government). Germany is the only country in Europe that refuses to recognise computer and video games as an artform (again, we have successive governments to thank for this) and numerous German-based development studios have been bombarded by the press and government, and in some cases even harassed.
The media are permitted to use World War 2 material to portray the Nazis, providing that they don't glorify them or play down the atrocities. The one medium that this does not apply to is gaming, in which it is forbidden to talk about Nazis, use the Swastika or even show Adolf Hitler The Nazis in WW2 games like Medal of Honor are not Nazis, but "Germans".
It's nothing to do with the German bureaucracy's aversion to violence - Quantum of Solace, the movie, got rated 12, the game got rated 18 for the same level of violence.
Australia's got it easy in comparison.
That is very unfortunate with the German government being full of backwards folk. Still, you guys can import from the UK without facing scrutiny, correct? It's good to be in the EU. I will gladly provide you with UK websites that won't rip you off and provide uncensored games to boot if you want.[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Zombl337"]I would say Austrailia & Germany for the fact that so many games (mostly violent such as Dead Rising & Gears of War) have been banned. I mean they couldnt even release less gory versions for them at least?! (or did they release "cenesored" versions??!?!)dkjestrupAt least German gamers can get their games from the United Kingdom which doesn't employ censorship of games and is ridiculously cheap compared to Germany. That is, if they are informed enough. Which friendly neighbour can Australian gamers import from to get cheap, uncensored games in a language that they speak? Uhhh.... New Zealand? Seriously, you're that uneducated? We're like RIGHT next to Australia. Very amusing. Before you accused me of being uneducated with regards to New Zealand's geographical location which was only meant as a hyperbole to make me look foolish, did you even once stop to think that I wasn't aware of this "fact" that New Zealand has cheap, uncensored games? This is only the first time that it has ever been insinuated to me that games in New Zealand are significantly cheaper and uncensored as well when compared to Australia. If that is really the case, Australians don't quite have a reason to whine since New Zealand is like RIGHT next to Australia.
Uhhh.... New Zealand? Seriously, you're that uneducated? We're like RIGHT next to Australia. Very amusing. Before you accused me of being uneducated with regards to New Zealand's geographical location which was only meant as a hyperbole to make me look foolish, did you even once stop to think that I wasn't aware of this "fact" that New Zealand has cheap, uncensored games? This is only the first time that it has ever been insinuated to me that games in New Zealand are significantly cheaper and uncensored as well when compared to Australia. If that is really the case, Australians don't quite have a reason to whine since New Zealand is like RIGHT next to Australia.[QUOTE="dkjestrup"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]At least German gamers can get their games from the United Kingdom which doesn't employ censorship of games and is ridiculously cheap compared to Germany. That is, if they are informed enough. Which friendly neighbour can Australian gamers import from to get cheap, uncensored games in a language that they speak?Hexagon_777
Their not significantly cheaper, in fact their usually more expensive (even if only by a couple more dollars). Australian gamers should either import from Hong Kong or buy through Steam if a game is edited, they'll save more money that way.
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="killerfist"]I hear Austrailia is pretty bad. Germany is up there too, with their strict ratings and censorships on games. But they can import PAL games from other european countries. And yeah, North Korea for obvious reasons. :P R4gn4r0kAnd many informed, German gamers already do that, considering how cheap and censor free the UK is. UK websites are also more than willing to take on the additional custom.Isn't that considered a crime to import stuff that is banned ?Germany doesn't permit the sale or advertising of banned games but gamers can still import these games from what I know.
Canada. You have to play games as a gamer in Canada? How can anything be worse than that? [spoiler] Clearly I'm joking, Please mods I am greatly sorry for having a sense of humor(potentially bad) [/spoiler] jg4xchamp
And evreything gets overdubbed in to Canadian! :cry:
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="dkjestrup"] Uhhh.... New Zealand? Seriously, you're that uneducated? We're like RIGHT next to Australia. hypotyVery amusing. Before you accused me of being uneducated with regards to New Zealand's geographical location which was only meant as a hyperbole to make me look foolish, did you even once stop to think that I wasn't aware of this "fact" that New Zealand has cheap, uncensored games? This is only the first time that it has ever been insinuated to me that games in New Zealand are significantly cheaper and uncensored as well when compared to Australia. If that is really the case, Australians don't quite have a reason to whine since New Zealand is like RIGHT next to Australia.Their not significantly cheaper, in fact their usually more expensive (even if only by a couple more dollars). Australian gamers should either import from Hong Kong or buy through Steam if a game is edited, they'll save more money that way.Is that a fact? So why was that dkjestrup fellow giving me crap? :lol:
That is very unfortunate with the German government being full of backwards folk. Still, you guys can import from the UK without facing scrutiny, correct? It's good to be in the EU. I will gladly provide you with UK websites that won't rip you off and provide uncensored games to boot if you want.
Hexagon_777
Actually most people get their indexed wares from Austria, as Austria is often the only country with companies that allow for bank transfers from German bank accounts. Besides, not everyone here speaks English as well as I do :)
Also, I don't have a credit card or Switch card, so I'm usually stuck with Austria, except perhaps for PayPal and eBay (which I often use to import games out of the UK).
Germany doesn't permit the sale or advertising of banned games but gamers can still import these games from what I know.
Hexagon_777
The 'banning' of any media is illegal in Germany (the last time anything was 'banned'/verboten was during the Third Reich) so the government gets around this by 'indexing' (Indizierung) or 'confiscating' (Beschlagnahme) products. It's a unique idea - you're allowed to own the material, but you either have to know it exists first without being informed of it (indexing) or have to obtain it without buying it while you're in Germany (confiscation).
Now, technically, it is illegal for any company around the world to deliver indexed games to an address in Germany without conclusive proof of age (obviously next to impossible, although an expensive system to achieve this has been introduced), confiscated games are not allowed to be delivered full stop. In practice, however, there's no stopping it. The post secrecy act (Postgeheimnis) makes it illegal for any post to be opened or scanned except by the recipient unless the authorities have good reason to suspect it being illegal. A DVD case is not such a reason. Also, buying games within the EU is subject to the free trade area agreement (Schengen) and so the German government would be in violation of EU law if they prevented anyone from buying from the UK. They tried this by threatening Amazon UK and failed miserably.
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]That is very unfortunate with the German government being full of backwards folk. Still, you guys can import from the UK without facing scrutiny, correct? It's good to be in the EU. I will gladly provide you with UK websites that won't rip you off and provide uncensored games to boot if you want.jamyskisActually most people get their indexed wares from Austria, as Austria is often the only country with companies that allow for bank transfers from German bank accounts. Besides, not everyone here speaks English as well as I do :)Also, I don't have a credit card or Switch card, so I'm usually stuck with Austria, except perhaps for PayPal and eBay (which I often use to import games out of the UK).Austria is still pretty damn expensive in terms of games, though. In addition to that, many games in Austria tend to carry those obnoxiously large USK age ratings. You do get more for less from the UK in my experience. Glaub mir. The language barrier is a valid point, however. I'll also respond to the second part of your post in another post since I refuse to play around with GlitchSpot.
Australia, Ugh its a technical backwater. Our country is way to conservative and with the liberals possibly getting into power i can't see it changing any time soon :(walkingdream
They won't, the NBN will go a head as planned and the Coalition and Greens will block the net filter in the senate. Then all we need is an R18+ rating for games and we'll be set.
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Germany doesn't permit the sale or advertising of banned games but gamers can still import these games from what I know.jamyskisThe 'banning' of any media is illegal in Germany (the last time anything was 'banned'/verboten was during the Third Reich) so the government gets around this by 'indexing' (Indizierung) or 'confiscating' (Beschlagnahme) products. It's a unique idea - you're allowed to own the material, but you either have to know it exists first without being informed of it (indexing) or have to obtain it without buying it while you're in Germany (confiscation).
Now, technically, it is illegal for any company around the world to deliver indexed games to an address in Germany without conclusive proof of age (obviously next to impossible, although an expensive system to achieve this has been introduced), confiscated games are not allowed to be delivered full stop. In practice, however, there's no stopping it. The post secrecy act (Postgeheimnis) makes it illegal for any post to be opened or scanned except by the recipient unless the authorities have good reason to suspect it being illegal. A DVD case is not such a reason. Also, buying games within the EU is subject to the free trade area agreement (Schengen) and so the German government would be in violation of EU law if they prevented anyone from buying from the UK. They tried this by threatening Amazon UK and failed miserably.
Very informative post, thanks! Like I said, the EU is great when it comes to stuff like this. Do you have a link for the Amazon UK scenario you described, though? I would gladly read up on the failure.Please Log In to post.
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