Which GS review was the bigger crime? Mass Effect, Twilight Princess, or R&C

Well, BrownWalrus, I'd love to continue to argue, but it's quite obvious that we'll never agree. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. We all have opinions, and ours differ, so there's no reason to try to mold others opinions into our own.BioShockOwnz

Fair enough, i respect that :)

Sorry for the late reply, just finished dinner :P

Your just clinging on to straws here.....The mako was broken and People won't admit it I dont' want a quick travel I have a mod on oblivion(pc) to disable it thats how much I despise it, But if somethings broken don't deny itAll_that_is_Man

Tho Grand Theft auto had bugs....Quite a few it had enough good to justify those bugs and the good out weighed the bad, while mass effect didn't have all that extra to weigh in favor

Grand Theft Auto had loads extra and you can really tell the developers went out of their way to make a great game.

All_that_is_Man

Mass Effect. Without a doubt, Mass Effect is the best game of the generation (thus far, anyway). Given how much I love Portal, that's saying something. It's simply a wonderful, deep, complex, customizable experience. Mass Effect is to the point where I can't play it when I know I'm only going to have a one hour block of time - because suddenly that corporate meeting seems far less important than finishing "just one more mission".

That review was simply so poorly executed. Most RPG reviews are poorly done though - it seems that when faced with a game offering huge amounts of content, reviewers rush through and essentially just give a quick opinion. That opinion is often wrong - see early reviews of Fable (which were highly postive) compared with later reviews (where reviewers had spent more time with the game, and grown to loathe it) for example. Or Ocarina of Time - a game that was already highly praised, now worshipped.

None of them was a crime.

Reviews are just one person's opinion. Why is it that accept it as routine when movie reviewers rating things much higher or lower than we would, yet it is teh doomz when a game reviewer does so?

Who cares? It is a single opinion....not a crime.

mass effect dead on

tp .3 off

r&C is a AA franchise so it wins this one even if its a 8.0

Ratchet and Clank, I got banned after I made a thread about how bad that review was.sauses3392

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Metroid 3

HarlockJC

Mass Effect. Without a doubt, Mass Effect is the best game of the generation (thus far, anyway). Given how much I love Portal, that's saying something. It's simply a wonderful, deep, complex, customizable experience. Mass Effect is to the point where I can't play it when I know I'm only going to have a one hour block of time - because suddenly that corporate meeting seems far less important than finishing "just one more mission".

That review was simply so poorly executed. Most RPG reviews are poorly done though - it seems that when faced with a game offering huge amounts of content, reviewers rush through and essentially just give a quick opinion. That opinion is often wrong - see early reviews of Fable (which were highly postive) compared with later reviews (where reviewers had spent more time with the game, and grown to loathe it) for example. Or Ocarina of Time - a game that was already highly praised, now worshipped.

subrosian

Interestingly, with many WRPGs, Mass Effect included, the more I've played, the more I noticed subtle flaws that I had passed by with a cursory glance earlier on.

In Mass Effect, on my first run through I heralded the new dialogue system as a significant step up from those in previous BioWare games. After finishing my 4th playthrough not long ago, I can safely say that the system is atrocious, and undermines the entire morality system. Not to mention, after seeing the story unfold four times, I've started to notice more and more plot holes and inconsistencies. I've put hundreds of hours into it, and I love it to death, but the more I played of it, the more problems I found.

In Oblivion, the first 20 hours or so seemed pretty good. 50 hours later, it dawned upon me that the majority of quests merely amounted to going to some cave, and fighting some enemy type. Wash, rinse, repeat. This wasn't a big deal after the first few hours, but after 70, I had literally done this same mission type dozens of time, which exaggerated the problem to an unbearable point. The same went for the limited environment types. Again, the more I played, the less I like the game.

If you ask me, basing an RPG off of only a small portion of the game is giving it the benefit of the doubt. Sure, it's possible that reviewers are missing out on some aspect of the game that would radically improve their feelings on the game, but from personal experience, it works the other way.

Mass Effect.

I freakin loved that game! Should've been 9.0+

None of them was a crime.

Reviews are just one person's opinion. Why is it that accept it as routine when movie reviewers rating things much higher or lower than we would, yet it is teh doomz when a game reviewer does so?

Who cares? It is a single opinion....not a crime.

SUD123456

We're not talking about the review score, we're talking about the *job* they did reviewing it. Imagine if a movie reviewer walked out halfway through the movie, yet discussed the ending. That's what we see with RPG reviews quite frequently. Remember, a movie is a passive experience - in gaming, the reviewer is influencing the game. The reviewer themselves is *part of* the play experience of the game.

The quality of the review is heavily dependant on the reviewer being able to review themselves. The best review is where the "reviewer' is reviewing themselves playing the game, essentially - and when that second order observation breaks down, gets rushed, or simply is poorly done - well, it shows. There are quite a few reviews on GS that are simply of mediocre quality - and the majority of games reviewing is absolutely atrocious.

It's all well and good when they're talking about games that aren't that great anyway - but games reviewing really tends to break down when it hits complex games. With complex games ( such as long RPGs ) the reviews just get cruddy. It becomes apparent that they tried to take too much of the game, too fast, and were really uncertain how they were supposed to about the task.

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None of them was a crime.

Reviews are just one person's opinion. Why is it that accept it as routine when movie reviewers rating things much higher or lower than we would, yet it is teh doomz when a game reviewer does so?

Who cares? It is a single opinion....not a crime.

subrosian

We're not talking about the review score, we're talking about the *job* they did reviewing it.

MP3 by far then i was just going off of score ...maybe i should have read the op if thats what this was about

Mass effect and R&C both got the gutter. Both are easy AAA games, while both had some flaws, in the end their great factors out weighed the negatives.

PS im speaking on experience of playing PC version.

Mass Effect - score was appropriate

Uncharted - 9.4

Ratchet and Clank - 9.1

Twilight Princess - 9.5

if GTA and MGS4 got a 10 so ME is also need to get a 10 score Nisim19

lol no

ME = 8.5

GTA4 = 9.5

MGS4 = 11.0 :P

I'm glad tensions over these three scores have subsided (more or less), but when you look back on em' which do you think was the most unjust scoring?

nervmeister

I think they all got exactly what they deserved

I'm glad tensions over these three scores have subsided (more or less), but when you look back on em' which do you think was the most unjust scoring?

nervmeister

I think they all got exactly what they deserved

Mass Effect. Still the best game on the 360 imo. That review was so full of nick-picking it was unreal.

TP I felt was too similar to previous editions and got what it deserved.

fenwickhotmail

Though I consider ME to be underrated, Ratchet and Clank was the crime of the century. 7.5, ME was off by a .5 more or less, mostly because the glitches are in the game, but dont detract as much as the reviewer said, should have been a 9. But R&C, was getting 9s all over the places, and suddenly 7.5 That is THE most odd review of all time.

Well, if we take into consideration the averages of all reviewer scores versus the Gamespot score we will find that LoZ:TP got a 94.4% and was awarded an 8.8 (88%) here, for a difference of 6.4%; Mass Effect was awarded a 91.1% and was awarded an 8.5 (85%) here for a difference of 6.1%; Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction was given an 88.7% and was awarded a 7.5 (75%) here for a difference of 13.7%

Therefore, the answer is Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction by quite a bit.

Newsboy

nice research ;)

If anything, I would've given Mass Effect a lower score. Twilight Princess' score was about right.

Anyway, the biggest crime was easily Oblivion's 9.6. Greg must have got the numbers the wrong way around.

If anything, I would've given Mass Effect a lower score. Twilight Princess' score was about right.

Anyway, the biggest crime was easily Oblivion's 9.6. Greg must have got the numbers the wrong way around.

Planeforger

Nope, he didnt have his numbers wrong. If you read the review, he calls Oblivion one of the greatest RPGs of all time. That seems to justify the 9.6.

If anything, I would've given Mass Effect a lower score. Twilight Princess' score was about right.

Anyway, the biggest crime was easily Oblivion's 9.6. Greg must have got the numbers the wrong way around.

Planeforger

QFFT.

R&C probably got the biggest gyp of the three that the OP mentioned, but the other two got the scores they deserved. Mass Effect probably deserved even lower.

Ratchet and Clank - It deserved 8.5.

I felt Mass Effect for the PC was deserving of it's 9.0 score, but I felt that it still suffered from many bugs and inconsistancies, so if you were to tack on the other problems that the 360 version suffered from, then I'd say it's well deserving of its 8.5 rating.

TP was OoT with a new skin.

Haziqonfire

I must have missed the parts in Ocarina of Time where you meet Midna, collect tears of light, the spinner, the ball and chain, fighting while on Epona, the ability to warp out of dungeons with Ooccoo, sumoing, the hawkeye, water bombs, bomb arrows, taming your wild horse, riding boars

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TP was OoT with a new skin.

AvIdGaMeR444

I must have missed the parts in Ocarina of Time where you meet Midna, collect tears of light, the spinner, the ball and chain, fighting while on Epona, the ability to warp out of dungeons with Ooccoo, sumoing, the hawkeye, water bombs, bomb arrows.

Man you missed like half the game then >.>