Which [non fighter] game has the best combat?

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#1 parkurtommo
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I've been playing a lot of Alan Wake lately and I think the combat is really good, thought it would make a good thread, so which game has the best combat?

I'm stuck between Arkham City and Dark Souls, I'm inclined towards Dark Souls TBH.

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Mario. Gotta stick with the classics. Plus it's simple and easy. Jump, fireball, twirl. Can't beat it.

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#3 Yangire
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GGXXAC+.

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#4 OneSanitarium
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Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

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#5 Some-Mist
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Bayonetta or Muramasa: The Demon Blade. Both combat systems are very tight/fun
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#6 GreenGoblin2099
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Depends on what kind of combat you're talking about, as yangire indirectly pointed out.

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#7 Blabadon
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I still think God of War especially on higher difficulties.
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#8 Nengo_Flow
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lol Alan Wake, I remember that game. It was supposed to push the 360 to new heights and be the final nail on the PS3s coffin
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#9 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.
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#10 RyanShazam
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Wind Waker :)

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#11 Gxgear
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Turn Based: Pokemoncharizard1605

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock?

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#12 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.

Actually, this is my answer word for word.
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#13 OneSanitarium
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Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.charizard1605

You could at least TRY to answer seriously.

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#14 parkurtommo
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GGXXAC+.

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The f*ck is that
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#15 GreySeal9
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Bayonetta.

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#16 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Turn Based: PokemonGxgear

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock?

Comptetive is where it's at.
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#17 parkurtommo
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lol Alan Wake, I remember that game. It was supposed to push the 360 to new heights and be the final nail on the PS3s coffinNengo_Flow
Well I'm playing the PC version, it's awesome.
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

GGXXAC+.

parkurtommo

The f*ck is that

Guilty Gear XX Accent Plus?

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Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock?

Gxgear
Now if you can list out all the rules for that for me, I shall cede to your awesomeness.

You could at least TRY to answer seriously.

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Serious is the only way I do things.
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#20 OneSanitarium
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Serious is the only way I do things.charizard1605

Then why say GOW3? Opinion or not, thats wrong.

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#21 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

GGXXAC+.

Gxgear

The f*ck is that

Guilty Gear XX Accent Plus?

*changes title*
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#22 ShadowMoses900
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It is hard to say, there are different types of combat in games.

But the Batman one's are definately the most refined combat mechanics I have ever played. So I'm going to go with that. In terms of FPS it is Killzone 3, the combat in that is brutal and so refined.

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#23 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.OneSanitarium

You could at least TRY to answer seriously.

Your two answers have involved two sentences, one of a poorly based insult, the other of meaningless satire. So why, my friend, do you feel this way?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Serious is the only way I do things.OneSanitarium

Then why say GOW3? Opinion or not, thats wrong.

I never said GoW3, I said GoW in general. But yes, it is my belief that God of War strikes the best balance between combat depth and accessibility, variation and familiarity.
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]lol Alan Wake, I remember that game. It was supposed to push the 360 to new heights and be the final nail on the PS3s coffinparkurtommo
Well I'm playing the PC version, it's awesome.

yet its a good game, but back when it was about to come out/coming out it was a huge deal. The game didnt sell very well and it was quickly forgotten. IDK wat happened but the Alan Wake devs were mad at M$ for a while too.
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Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.charizard1605

Really?

God of War's combat is pretty shallow as far as hack and slash games go and tho I love the Pokemon games and think they are some of the best RPGS out there, I think most RPGs with a decent battle system has a better battle system than Pokemon. I mean, it only has four moves. Compare that to something like Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VI, which give you a myriad of options, and it comes across as unreasonably limited. The saving grace is that Pokemon lets you have so many potential party members.

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#27 OneSanitarium
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[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.Blabadon

You could at least TRY to answer seriously.

Your two answers have involved two sentences, one of a poorly based insult, the other of meaningless satire. So why, my friend, do you feel this way?

Because my posts are never serious.

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#28 parkurtommo
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Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

OneSanitarium
Yeah, guess being right = moron.
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#29 GreenGoblin2099
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Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

OneSanitarium

Well, let's see your answer to the question... ;)

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#30 Sun_Universe
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Batman AC

God of War

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Turn Based: Pokemon Non Turn Based: God of War Only correct answers, IMO.GreySeal9

Really?

God of War's combat is pretty shallow as far as hack and slash games go and tho I love the Pokemon games and think they are some of the best RPGS out there, I think most RPGs with a decent battle system has a better battle system than Pokemon. I mean, it only has four moves. Compare that to something like Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VI, which give you a myriad of options, and it comes across as unreasonably limited. The saving grace is that Pokemon lets you have so many potential party members.

Yes. As for God of War: it looks flashy and awesome and feels shallow, but there is a lot of depth there, especially on the higher difficulties, where the game gets brutal. As for Pokemon: Four moves. Seventeen types. Each Pokemon can have upto two types. Each move can have a type of its own. A move of the same type as the Pokemon gets an attack bonus. Then there are the six persistent stats: Attack, Special Attack, Defense, Special Defense, HP, and Speed, alongside battle specific stats like Accuracy and Evasiveness. Pokemon has incredible depth. It has the best battle system for any turn based game out there. it mixes up turn based combat with some serious strategy.
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[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

GreenGoblin2099

Well, let's see your answer to the question... ;)

DMC3.

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#33 DJ_Headshot
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Zeno Clash altough I really liked Batman AA combat zeno clash is just to good best melee combat in a fps game ever!
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]lol Alan Wake, I remember that game. It was supposed to push the 360 to new heights and be the final nail on the PS3s coffinNengo_Flow
Well I'm playing the PC version, it's awesome.

yet its a good game, but back when it was about to come out/coming out it was a huge deal. The game didnt sell very well and it was quickly forgotten. IDK wat happened but the Alan Wake devs were mad at M$ for a while too.

Releasing it on the same day as Red Dead Redemption didn't help all that much...
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#35 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock?

charizard1605

Now if you can list out all the rules for that for me, I shall cede to your awesomeness.

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#36 Yangire
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] The f*ck is thatparkurtommo

Guilty Gear XX Accent Plus?

*changes title*

At least you realize fighting games have a big edge when talking about video game combat.

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#37 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

OneSanitarium

Well, let's see your answer to the question... ;)

DMC3.

Inclined to agree since it was one of the answers I was thinking...

But it doesn't mean Arkham games have bad combat. I think the freeflow system is actually cool and captures the awesomeness of Batman... you see, in order to be a good system, I don't think it's gotta have complex button inputs or being able to perfoms crazy ass combos like those in DMC3.

Still, good choice mate.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock?

Gxgear

Now if you can list out all the rules for that for me, I shall cede to your awesomeness.

Spock chockes on rock, bleeds out from paper cut, dies from infection from rusty scissors during vasectomy, crash lands into Jurrasic park.

applause

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#39 Gue1
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Anyone that thinks the Batman games have good combat is a moron.

OneSanitarium

couldn't agree more. XD

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#40 OneSanitarium
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[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Well, let's see your answer to the question... ;)

GreenGoblin2099

DMC3.

Inclined to agree since it was one of the answers I was thinking...

But it doesn't mean Arkham games have bad combat. I think the freeflow system is actually cool and captures the awesomeness of Batman... you see, in order to be a good system, I don't think it's gotta have complex button inputs or being able to perfoms crazy ass combos like those in DMC3.

Still, good choice mate.

I just think the gameplay feels automatic or cheap. It feels like Batman just starts flying around randomly with huge windows to do counter. I understand that its main audience are general Batman fans, and as such they should be focusing on them rather than just pandering to gameplay fanatics.

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#41 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Guilty Gear XX Accent Plus?

Yangire

*changes title*

At least you realize fighting games have a big edge when talking about video game combat.

Well that's sort of obvious :P Just forgot about that since I'm always forgetting fighter games even exist >.>
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#42 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Now if you can list out all the rules for that for me, I shall cede to your awesomeness.charizard1605

Spock chockes on rock, bleeds out from paper cut, dies from infection from rusty scissors during vasectomy, crash lands into Jurrasic park.

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I think we're goofing off. Are we goofing off? This is confusing.

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#43 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

DMC3.

OneSanitarium

Inclined to agree since it was one of the answers I was thinking...

But it doesn't mean Arkham games have bad combat. I think the freeflow system is actually cool and captures the awesomeness of Batman... you see, in order to be a good system, I don't think it's gotta have complex button inputs or being able to perfoms crazy ass combos like those in DMC3.

Still, good choice mate.

I just think the gameplay feels automatic or cheap. It feels like Batman just starts flying around randomly with huge windows to do counter. I understand that its main audience are general Batman fans, and as such they should be focusing on them rather than just pandering to gameplay fanatics.

Well in NG the counter symbol thing dissapears, makes it a bit more "hardcore" >.>
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Spock chockes on rock, bleeds out from paper cut, dies from infection from rusty scissors during vasectomy, crash lands into Jurrasic park.

Gxgear

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I think we're goofing off. Are we goofing off? This is confusing.

We're derailing a thread made by the master of derailing threads. I'd say to not derail this thread would in fact tantamount to derailing it, whereas derailing it is not really derailing it, even though it is in fact derailing it. Simple enough, I'd say.
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#45 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

I feel proud to be a member of the same community as you

charizard1605

I think we're goofing off. Are we goofing off? This is confusing.

We're derailing a thread made by the master of derailing threads.

:cool:
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#46 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

DMC3.

OneSanitarium

Inclined to agree since it was one of the answers I was thinking...

But it doesn't mean Arkham games have bad combat. I think the freeflow system is actually cool and captures the awesomeness of Batman... you see, in order to be a good system, I don't think it's gotta have complex button inputs or being able to perfoms crazy ass combos like those in DMC3.

Still, good choice mate.

I just think the gameplay feels automatic or cheap. It feels like Batman just starts flying around randomly with huge windows to do counter. I understand that its main audience are general Batman fans, and as such they should be focusing on them rather than just pandering to gameplay fanatics.

You feel it's automatic and cheap because you're used to complex sh!t man, but it doesn't mean everybody needs the hardcore stuff as much as you do. Kinda like Some_Mist is obsessed with the bullte hells, not everybody is into that...

Anyway, it must to be a sad gen when no other game comes close to the complexity you want in your combats (probably just Bayo)

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#47 OneSanitarium
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You feel it's automatic and cheap because you're used to complex sh!t man, but it doesn't mean everybody needs the hardcore stuff as much as you do. Kinda like Some_Mist is obsessed with the bullte hells, not everybody is into that...

Anyway, it must to be a sad gen when no other game comes close to the complexity you want in your combats (probably just Bayo)

GreenGoblin2099

Nah. I can enjoy things that I don't recognize to be as good as my favorites. My favorite game this gen is a warriors style game for christs sake. :P

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#48 Bigboi500
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Anything that offers more than just weapon loadouts, like Advance Wars or Starhawk.

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#49 ebrezzy1
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God of War

Ninja Gaiden 3 (only the demo i played)

Red Fraction Armageddon was pretty good ... knocking down buildings is always fun ... its gun based really but every now N then its fun to sledgehammer away

Bulletstorm is o k ... over the top nonsense N very arcade like N gun base kicking gameplay into enviroments

Nier is ok also ... its hit or miss on a lot of people though ... there is no its o k its mostly you likey or you hatey

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#50 Nanomage
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Ninja Gaiden was probably the best one from the ones I´ve played,DMC3 is also good but not quite as good and Ninja Gaiden.