Who else is SICK Of ppl saying people saying Halo 4 is the new Graphics King?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You clearly did not watch any of the videos I listed as they prove my point entirely.Uncharted has better animations AND draw distance than Skyrim does. It may be linear but it does have more draw distance, look at the village game play in Uncharted 2 or Nepal, huge draw distance that is better. Same goes for the other PS3 games you mentioned.

It does not matter if it's open world or not, if you want to keep using the subjective argument then look at Infamous 2, it's open world with a bigger draw distance and graphics and animations than Skyrim. Clearly Infamous 2 is the more advanced game, you agree now?

I don't know why you keep using the subjective argument here. We are not arguing art styles or anything, we are arguing graphics and tech. Which is objective. An argument that I am winning.

ShadowMoses900

I played them, actually.

I rest my case...

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its subjective when you have two impressive looking games to compare. HD vs subHD, for example, is not subjective.

PAL360

So it's subjective when it suits you, but it's objective when it doesn't? Ok I see how it is now. Believe whatever makes you happy bro.

You are right about sub HD vs HD, just like I am right about UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous being superior in both tech and graphics than 360 games. I am also right when I say 360 has nothing to match it. Those are objective proofs, not subjective ones. You can't argue otherwise.

Lol, im not the one saying that X game completly destroys Y game, or Z game is completly impossible on other systems.

My experience with both consoles, on the other hand, tells me that they are pretty similar.

No it doesn't because you have never played PS3 before, let alone Uncharted or KZ or any of the other games I have mentioned. You have only played on a 360 and that is the only system you own, so of course your not going to admit that PS3 exclusives are the best looking (again technically speaking) and more advanced than anything on 360 because you don't want to feel insecure about your pruchase.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"] Look at UC, look at KZ, look at upcoming TLOU and GOWA. It's obvious they loo better than any other game out there on any system, this is not an opinion it is just a fact. Stevo_the_gamer

He makes the mistake of saying 'system', so I can't blame you.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I played them, actually.

I rest my case...

Judgement-Law

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

Lol it's the truth though. Well not so much Infamous, but it does look graphically better than Skyrim which was what we were arguing about orgionally.

Well not so much Infamous, but it does look graphically better than Skyrim which was what we were arguing about orgionally.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You clearly did not watch any of the videos I listed as they prove my point entirely.Uncharted has better animations AND draw distance than Skyrim does. It may be linear but it does have more draw distance, look at the village game play in Uncharted 2 or Nepal, huge draw distance that is better. Same goes for the other PS3 games you mentioned.

It does not matter if it's open world or not, if you want to keep using the subjective argument then look at Infamous 2, it's open world with a bigger draw distance and graphics and animations than Skyrim. Clearly Infamous 2 is the more advanced game, you agree now?

I don't know why you keep using the subjective argument here. We are not arguing art styles or anything, we are arguing graphics and tech. Which is objective. An argument that I am winning.

ShadowMoses900

I played them, actually.

I rest my case...

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"] Look at UC, look at KZ, look at upcoming TLOU and GOWA. It's obvious they loo better than any other game out there on any system, this is not an opinion it is just a fact. casharmy

He makes the mistake of saying 'system', so I can't blame you.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

ShadowMoses900

Lol it's the truth though. Well not so much Infamous, but it does look graphically better than Skyrim which was what we were arguing about orgionally.

Umm...they are all in HD and they that's how you can tell. Using your logic you shouldn't be able to tell that Halo 4 is better looking than Mario 64, since you know those are just videos right? Hell using your logic you shouldn't be able to say anything about how Halo 4 looks since it's just a video. See how that makes no sense?

People watch videos to see what looks better (objectively speaking of course). You don't need to talk about AA or any of that stuff, you just need to look at it and see for yourself. It doesn't take a genuis to figure this out.

Is PC witcher 2 more advanced than 360 Witcher 2? Why yes it is, do you need to know about AA or any of that other stuff to figure that out? No. You just need to look at a video comparison.

All the videos I posted are captured by HD tech teams done by game developers personal videos that they put up. I think they know more about this than you do.

ShadowMoses900

Haven't played Halo 4, so I would wait until I play it to make definitive judgemnt.

However, having played Halo Reach and Mario 64, I can definitely say Reach posts higher polygon models for both characters and world geometry, more detailed texture, more vegetation, a greater amount of particle effects, and a more fleshed-out lighting engine. Therefore, an informed guess would say Halo 4 would look better than Mario 64, if it builds off the Reach engine. By the way, that was the single worst fvcking argument I've ever heard. :| Do you have any idea of the amounts of technical leaps that have passed since Mario 64 released?

The Witcher 2 PC boasts higher resolution, greater texture detail, more defined shadows, etc (from what I've seen) than the 360 version. there are images of the 360 version that are missing large amounts of visual details present in the PC version. It can be proven quantitatively that the PC version of the Witcher 2 looks better than the 360 version. Personally, I don't think the difference is that large - I'd play either version and enjoy it just the same.

People watch videos because they don't care to understand the underlying tech. And for disparate games, say FFVII vs FXXIII, it works fine. But it's alot harder to pick apart blockbuster titles that release within the same year. That's when you have to stop being an idiot and actually take an close look at the finer details.

Just saying "Halo 4 looks better than God of War Ascension" or "The Last of Us makes Gears of War Judgement look last gen" isn't a technical argument. It's two sides flinging opinions at each other. You can continue to make your arguments, but please realize that you simply sharing your opinion isn't going to stand up as a technical argument. You want a technical argument, you back that sh!t up with technical facts. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So it's subjective when it suits you, but it's objective when it doesn't? Ok I see how it is now. Believe whatever makes you happy bro.

You are right about sub HD vs HD, just like I am right about UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous being superior in both tech and graphics than 360 games. I am also right when I say 360 has nothing to match it. Those are objective proofs, not subjective ones. You can't argue otherwise.

ShadowMoses900

Lol, im not the one saying that X game completly destroys Y game, or Z game is completly impossible on other systems.

My experience with both consoles, on the other hand, tells me that they are pretty similar.

No it doesn't because you have never played PS3 before, let alone Uncharted or KZ or any of the other games I have mentioned. You have only played on a 360 and that is the only system you own, so of course your not going to admit that PS3 exclusives are the best looking (again technically speaking) and more advanced than anything on 360 because you don't want to feel insecure about your pruchase.

Dude, unlike you, im not in love with my console. I actually cant wait for next gen to send my 360 out of the window :lol:

Just happens that i cant see the difference between 360 and PS3 games. Sorry for being one of a kind!

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I played them, actually.

I rest my case...

PAL360

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

ShadowMoses900

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lol, im not the one saying that X game completly destroys Y game, or Z game is completly impossible on other systems.

My experience with both consoles, on the other hand, tells me that they are pretty similar.

PAL360

No it doesn't because you have never played PS3 before, let alone Uncharted or KZ or any of the other games I have mentioned. You have only played on a 360 and that is the only system you own, so of course your not going to admit that PS3 exclusives are the best looking (again technically speaking) and more advanced than anything on 360 because you don't want to feel insecure about your pruchase.

Dude, unlike you, im not in love with my console. I actually cant wait for next gen to send my 360 out of the window :lol:

Just happens that i cant see the difference between 360 and PS3 games. Sorry for being one of a kind!

Yes I am so in love with my PS3, how dare you make fun of it, I take it personally! :P

And your lying, you say all the time that the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version, but when it comes to UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU you say you don't see a difference. What the hell is up with that crap?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You have a PS3? I did not know that. I don't think you do though because you would agree with me that UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU, and Infamous all look better (technically speaking) and are more advanced than anything on 360. You would know this if you actually did play them.

And how does that rest your case? There are levels where Uncharted does have better draw distances than Skyrim, of course you never played it before so you don't know this. I have played both games, look up my gamer tag if you don't believe me.

ShadowMoses900

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

PAL360

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

Oh cool, cool. I never met someone from Portugal before. I'm sure it has it's advantages to us, like better health care ect...but also has it's cons (a lot of European countries are against gun ownership, which is a fail in my book).

But it's cool. I'm sure the weather is better than it is here.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Not only are you incompetent at differentiating subjectivity and objectivity, but you're also blind. Bad.Stevo_the_gamer

He makes the mistake of saying 'system', so I can't blame you.

Well you don't really have any evidence to make the suggestion that his opinion is/was predisposed.

I do agree that the method in which he tries to validate his argument is flawed tho. He relies heavily on showing videos and saying "see, they look better" when someone could easily say they think the other videos in comparison look better. However, in his defense almost every faction on the board is similarly guilty of the same thing even hermits as well, so perhaps he sees this method as the most accepted way to prove one game looks better than another.

The problem I see with the argument of PAL360 is that he wants to argue on subjectivity, then wants to jump to a non-subjective arguments stance when trying to validate the games he thinks looks better. He can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

ShadowMoses900

Oh cool, cool. I never met someone from Portugal before. I'm sure it has it's advantages to us, like better health care ect...but also has it's cons (a lot of European countries are against gun ownership, which is a fail in my book).

But it's cool. I'm sure the weather is better than it is here.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I dont live in the middle of nowhere. Actually, where i live PS3 rules, so many of my friends have the console.

You may not understand, but theres a big difference between draw distance out of your path in a linear game (it does look beautiful at a distance), or draw distance you can actually reach.

Judgement-Law

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

What you just said is just as empty and meaningless as Shadow saying PS3 games are more technically advanced.

Well you don't really have any evidence to make the suggestion that his opinion is/was predisposed. casharmy

Halo 4 is the graphic king.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

casharmy

What you just said is just as empty and meaningless as Shadow saying PS3 games are more technically advanced.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does not matter because I also brought up Infamous 2 which you ignored. Either way it does not matter, I'm not trying to make you feel "bad" about owning a 360 or anything, I just don't see how anyone could (objectively speaking) not see how many PS3 exclusives are the most advanced graphically better than any other game console out there. I don't see why you keep playing the subjecitve game here which wasn't being discussed.

But whatever to each his own. Did you have a good 4th of July? (Assuming you are American of course).

ShadowMoses900

Oh cool, cool. I never met someone from Portugal before. I'm sure it has it's advantages to us, like better health care ect...but also has it's cons (a lot of European countries are against gun ownership, which is a fail in my book).

But it's cool. I'm sure the weather is better than it is here.

America and Europe work differently. Europe don't need guns, and making guns legal would simply add more crimes and chaos.

How can I feel safe when everybody out there carry guns? I wouldn't like that. I feel safer knowing that the UK, where I live, have guns banned. Only police officers, hunters and farmers can have them.

By the thought of anybody in America can simply walk in a gun store and purchase anything is pretty scary, to be honest.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]Well you don't really have any evidence to make the suggestion that his opinion is/was predisposed. Stevo_the_gamer

Dont worry it will stop once the game is released.

Dont worry it will stop once the game is released.

pelvist

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="casharmy"]Well you don't really have any evidence to make the suggestion that his opinion is/was predisposed. casharmy

ppl saying people saying

peoplesayinception!

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No it doesn't because you have never played PS3 before, let alone Uncharted or KZ or any of the other games I have mentioned. You have only played on a 360 and that is the only system you own, so of course your not going to admit that PS3 exclusives are the best looking (again technically speaking) and more advanced than anything on 360 because you don't want to feel insecure about your pruchase.

ShadowMoses900

Dude, unlike you, im not in love with my console. I actually cant wait for next gen to send my 360 out of the window :lol:

Just happens that i cant see the difference between 360 and PS3 games. Sorry for being one of a kind!

Yes I am so in love with my PS3, how dare you make fun of it, I take it personally! :P

And your lying, you say all the time that the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version, but when it comes to UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU you say you don't see a difference. What the hell is up with that crap?

Lying? :|

You have for sure seen different opinions. Some believe Gears 3 is the best looking console game, others say Assassins Creed 2, Batman AC or Crysis 2. Saying that anyone who believe that the best looking console game is not a PS3 exclusive, is wrong, is a pretty arrogant claim buddy.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]I live in Europe, Portugal.

GamerwillzPS

Oh cool, cool. I never met someone from Portugal before. I'm sure it has it's advantages to us, like better health care ect...but also has it's cons (a lot of European countries are against gun ownership, which is a fail in my book).

But it's cool. I'm sure the weather is better than it is here.

America and Europe work differently. Europe don't need guns, and making guns legal would simply add more crimes and chaos.

How can I feel safe when everybody out there carry guns? I wouldn't like that. I feel safer knowing that the UK, where I live, have guns banned. Only police officers, hunters and farmers can buy them.

By the thought of anybody in America can simply walk in a gun store and purchase anything is pretty scary, to be honest.

I have a concealed carry license and can carry a gun with me if I so choose (some public and private areas are exempt of course). I feel safer with a gun than without one, however it could also be due to my childhoood as I grew up with heavy anti-semitic bullying when I was younger. So it's given me this "kill or be killed" mentality sometimes.

Just how I am. I would like to go to England, I would like to learn about your health care. I want to see other countries and UK seems nice and the people, in general, seem nice. I could however to go to Israel for free but there is a lot of anger and hate in that country I hear. But I think I would feel closer to God if I went there.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] How are PS3 exclusives the most advanced? now we are back to technical graphics? Gears 3 may have some issues but it is more power taxing then Killzone, which artstyle wise IMO looks better visually, but Gears it still technically superior. Same goes with God of War, which has tons of technical problems. Lol at infamous Uncharted 3, ok i can see that, but TLoU is not out yet so how can you possibly say anything about that game? It thou art stretching the labels of they fruit? The dice: Judgement-Law

What you just said is just as empty and meaningless as Shadow saying PS3 games are more technically advanced.

lol, wut?

So...basically modified unreal engine 3 > anything the Killzone 3 engine uses?

Do you even know what the technical aspects of the Killzone engine are? I know I sure don't...please enlighten us all with your knoldge. I am sure you have a link or something viable that acesses the power of both engines in some kind of comparison where the better engine (assuming that would be modified UE3) automatically determines the superior game for what ever is made on those engines making Gears 3 superior by defalt.

:lol: there are so many flaws in your logic it's painful, but do humor me...please support your claim with some 'facts' so I can rip it apart while I chuckle at the idea that you ever believed you had a good argument.

lol I'm currently laughing at the charlie sheens.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Dude, unlike you, im not in love with my console. I actually cant wait for next gen to send my 360 out of the window :lol:

Just happens that i cant see the difference between 360 and PS3 games. Sorry for being one of a kind!

PAL360

Yes I am so in love with my PS3, how dare you make fun of it, I take it personally! :P

And your lying, you say all the time that the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version, but when it comes to UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU you say you don't see a difference. What the hell is up with that crap?

Lying? :|

You have for sure seen different opinions. Some believe Gears 3 is the best looking console game, others say Assassins Creed 2, Batman AC or Crysis 2. Saying that anyone who believe that the best looking console game is not a PS3 exclusive, is wrong, is a pretty arrogant claim buddy.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Dude, unlike you, im not in love with my console. I actually cant wait for next gen to send my 360 out of the window :lol:

Just happens that i cant see the difference between 360 and PS3 games. Sorry for being one of a kind!

PAL360

Yes I am so in love with my PS3, how dare you make fun of it, I take it personally! :P

And your lying, you say all the time that the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version, but when it comes to UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU you say you don't see a difference. What the hell is up with that crap?

Lying? :|

You have for sure seen different opinions. Some believe Gears 3 is the best looking console game, others say Assassins Creed 2, Batman AC or Crysis 2. Saying that anyone who believe that the best looking console game is not a PS3 exclusive, is wrong, is a pretty arrogant claim buddy.

Some used to believe the world was flat, just because people believe something doesn't make it true. Subjectively speaking you can say any game looks the best because you like the art style or whatever. Objectively speaking many PS3 exclusives mop the floor on everything on 360. This is just a fact.

And the best looking console games are on PS3, it is an objective fact. Anyone claiming otherwise is either arguing subjectively (which is what your trying to do) or is just beingn delusional.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="casharmy"]Why do people make arguments they have no possible way to back up or defend.

What you just said is just as empty and meaningless as Shadow saying PS3 games are more technically advanced.

casharmy

lol, wut?

So...basically modified unreal engine 3 > anything the Killzone 3 engine uses?

Do you even know what the technical aspects of the Killzone engine are? I know I sure don't...please enlighten us all with your knoldge. I am sure you have a link or something viable that acesses the power of both engines in some kind of comparison where the better engine (assuming that would be modified UE3) automatically determines the superior game for what ever is made on those engines making Gears 3 superior by defalt.

:lol: there are so many flaws in your logic it's painful, but do humor me...please support your claim with some 'facts' so I can rip it apart while I chuckle at the idea that you ever believed you had a good argument.

What's with the dices?? :?

lol did Shadow moses really say infamous looked better then anything on the 360?
Infamous a game where they reuse so many textures and there are only 2 actual unique enemies in the game? Infamous a game that when I played it and platniumed it glitched and on the same street corner there were 20 granny npc's that all had the same textures and polyframes...etc?

Infamous the single game that proves that GTA4 wouldn't have been any better then it is if it had been ps3 exclusive and thus bluray exclusive?

What's with the dices?? :?

GreenGoblin2099

Something to do with him wanting to gamble with me or take me to vegas or something, I don't really know. I didn't understand his post very well.

I think it's just his "thing" he does.

lol did Shadow moses really say infamous looked better then anything on the 360?
Infamous a game where they reuse so many textures and there are only 2 actual unique enemies in the game? Infamous a game that when I played it and platniumed it glitched and on the same street corner there were 20 granny npc's that all had the same textures and polyframes...etc?

Infamous the single game that proves that GTA4 wouldn't have been any better then it is if it had been ps3 exclusive and thus bluray exclusive?

WilliamRLBaker

No, I said Infamous 2 looks better graphically and has more draw distance than Skyrim, not that it looks better than 360 exclusives. Gears 3 looks better graphcially than Infamous 2. We were arguing about Skyrim Dr. Bakers.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh cool, cool. I never met someone from Portugal before. I'm sure it has it's advantages to us, like better health care ect...but also has it's cons (a lot of European countries are against gun ownership, which is a fail in my book).

But it's cool. I'm sure the weather is better than it is here.

ShadowMoses900

America and Europe work differently. Europe don't need guns, and making guns legal would simply add more crimes and chaos.

How can I feel safe when everybody out there carry guns? I wouldn't like that. I feel safer knowing that the UK, where I live, have guns banned. Only police officers, hunters and farmers can buy them.

By the thought of anybody in America can simply walk in a gun store and purchase anything is pretty scary, to be honest.

I have a concealed carry license and can carry a gun with me if I so choose (some public and private areas are exempt of course). I feel safer with a gun than without one, however it could also be due to my childhoood as I grew up with heavy anti-semitic bullying when I was younger. So it's given me this "kill or be killed" mentality sometimes.

Just how I am. I would like to go to England, I would like to learn about your health care. I want to see other countries and UK seems nice and the people, in general, seem nice. I could however to go to Israel for free but there is a lot of anger and hate in that country I hear. But I think I would feel closer to God if I went there.

Cool.

Guns used to be legal in the UK before I was born (not sure exactly when), and there's often when bad guys went on a rampage with a gun and killed lots of people. So the government decided to ban guns and it seemed to work well. The crime level have gone down since the ban. Well, not really a "ban". They just made the gun laws very strict. It's very hard for me to get a gun.

People are not even allowed to carry any sort of weapons outdoors in this country. They will be in trouble with the police if they discover them carrying a knife or something.

So when you are coming here for a visit, don't take a gun with you! :P

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]He presents the the notion that "PS3 exclusives are the best, always," regardless of the system, and then goes and already makes declaratory statements on games he hasn't played and haven't even released yet. They are quite predisposed. Evidence is right in front of you. ;)Stevo_the_gamer

what you are doing is projecting you beliefs. That's not the same a common sense. *see the bold* until I could rule out that option, it would be premature to come to the conclusion you have. I understand looking at what is readily visible, but you are jumping the gun on things you don't know.

It "could" be just as you said, that is why I didn't simply say you were wrong on the matter...I said I don't know because there is not enough evidence to suggest that you are completely right either.

Alot of times people think they know about someone on here using limited or weak evidence and make bold and sweaping statements about someone that are completely wrong. I don't like when people commit that act against me so unless I feel there is enough proof I won't do it against anyone else either.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] The modified unreal engine 3 has it's spec released and so does Killzone 3's/ It dusk is not meaningless, as the spec of the engine in Gears 3 outclass objectively in more technical areas than the engine that Killzone 3 uses. Thous are defies the law of the courtroom. Reath dice will decide life and death: Judgement-Law

lol, wut?

So...basically modified unreal engine 3 > anything the Killzone 3 engine uses?

Do you even know what the technical aspects of the Killzone engine are? I know I sure don't...please enlighten us all with your knoldge. I am sure you have a link or something viable that acesses the power of both engines in some kind of comparison where the better engine (assuming that would be modified UE3) automatically determines the superior game for what ever is made on those engines making Gears 3 superior by defalt.

:lol: there are so many flaws in your logic it's painful, but do humor me...please support your claim with some 'facts' so I can rip it apart while I chuckle at the idea that you ever believed you had a good argument.

lol, WTF is this?

resorting to trying to pick at my grammar?

And WTF does "the books have the information you need" mean? lol, dude you have completely failed to defend or provide any proof to support your ridiclious claim good job.

You Do understand that you are the one who is responsible for proving and defending your own hair brained claim right?

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

What's with the dices?? :?

ShadowMoses900

Something to do with him wanting to gamble with me or take me to vegas or something, I don't really know. I didn't understand his post very well.

I think it's just his "thing" he does.

Well, I've seen better posting gimmicks... this one is kinda lame tbh.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Yes I am so in love with my PS3, how dare you make fun of it, I take it personally! :P

And your lying, you say all the time that the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version, but when it comes to UC, KZ, GOW, TLOU you say you don't see a difference. What the hell is up with that crap?

ShadowMoses900

Lying? :|

You have for sure seen different opinions. Some believe Gears 3 is the best looking console game, others say Assassins Creed 2, Batman AC or Crysis 2. Saying that anyone who believe that the best looking console game is not a PS3 exclusive, is wrong, is a pretty arrogant claim buddy.

Some used to believe the world was flat, just because people believe something doesn't make it true. Subjectively speaking you can say any game looks the best because you like the art style or whatever. Objectively speaking many PS3 exclusives mop the floor on everything on 360. This is just a fact.

And the best looking console games are on PS3, it is an objective fact. Anyone claiming otherwise is either arguing subjectively (which is what your trying to do) or is just beingn delusional.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

America and Europe work differently. Europe don't need guns, and making guns legal would simply add more crimes and chaos.

How can I feel safe when everybody out there carry guns? I wouldn't like that. I feel safer knowing that the UK, where I live, have guns banned. Only police officers, hunters and farmers can buy them.

By the thought of anybody in America can simply walk in a gun store and purchase anything is pretty scary, to be honest.

GamerwillzPS

I have a concealed carry license and can carry a gun with me if I so choose (some public and private areas are exempt of course). I feel safer with a gun than without one, however it could also be due to my childhoood as I grew up with heavy anti-semitic bullying when I was younger. So it's given me this "kill or be killed" mentality sometimes.

Just how I am. I would like to go to England, I would like to learn about your health care. I want to see other countries and UK seems nice and the people, in general, seem nice. I could however to go to Israel for free but there is a lot of anger and hate in that country I hear. But I think I would feel closer to God if I went there.

Cool.

Guns used to be legal in the UK before I was born (not sure exactly when), and there's often when bad guys went on a rampage with a gun and killed lots of people. So the government decided to ban guns and it seemed to work well. The crime level have gone down since the ban. Well, not really a "ban". They just made the gun laws very strict. It's very hard for me to get a gun.

People are not even allowed to carry any sort of weapons outdoors in this country. They will be in trouble with the police if they discover them carrying a knife or something.

So when you are coming here for a visit, don't take a gun with you! :P

There are some states in the US like that, New York and Chicago have very tough gun laws, it's near impossible to get one legally (notice I said legally) however it has not stopped gun crimes as criminals always get a hold of them through the black market. All your doing is disarming the citizens from protecting themselves and giving more power to the criminal.

I'm not entirely sure about the UK being safe, I hear there are some pretty nasty neighborhoods and guns are probably just as accessible if you know who to talk to. Honestly if I ever lived in a place that didn't allow guns I would get one anyway, just for protection, I don't care if I get locked up or not.

Wouldn't do that in the UK though, if I'm a guest in a country I abide by their rules. But at least we both agree, PS3 kicks ass! :P

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

lol, wut?

So...basically modified unreal engine 3 > anything the Killzone 3 engine uses?

Do you even know what the technical aspects of the Killzone engine are? I know I sure don't...please enlighten us all with your knoldge. I am sure you have a link or something viable that acesses the power of both engines in some kind of comparison where the better engine (assuming that would be modified UE3) automatically determines the superior game for what ever is made on those engines making Gears 3 superior by defalt.

:lol: there are so many flaws in your logic it's painful, but do humor me...please support your claim with some 'facts' so I can rip it apart while I chuckle at the idea that you ever believed you had a good argument.

casharmy

lol, WTF is this?

resorting to trying to pick at my grammar?

And WTF does "the books have the information you need" mean? lol, dude you have completely failed to defend or provide any proof to support your ridiclious claim good job.

What's with the dices?? :?

GreenGoblin2099

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lying? :|

You have for sure seen different opinions. Some believe Gears 3 is the best looking console game, others say Assassins Creed 2, Batman AC or Crysis 2. Saying that anyone who believe that the best looking console game is not a PS3 exclusive, is wrong, is a pretty arrogant claim buddy.

Judgement-Law

Some used to believe the world was flat, just because people believe something doesn't make it true. Subjectively speaking you can say any game looks the best because you like the art style or whatever. Objectively speaking many PS3 exclusives mop the floor on everything on 360. This is just a fact.

And the best looking console games are on PS3, it is an objective fact. Anyone claiming otherwise is either arguing subjectively (which is what your trying to do) or is just beingn delusional.

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] You not only cannot read thy text written but you want to know my "knoldge" ha. It is very simple, the books have the information you need, just look for the engines used in both games and you can compare. The books are there for thou to use. The dice spins until you use the books for your research: Judgement-Law

lol, WTF is this?

resorting to trying to pick at my grammar?

And WTF does "the books have the information you need" mean? lol, dude you have completely failed to defend or provide any proof to support your ridiclious claim good job.

lol, dude shut up.

You are responsilbe for defending your own arguments. You have clearly backed out of that role so just go sit in a corner and think twice before trying to open your mouth and sprad garbage that you don't have the ability to defend.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

lol, WTF is this?

resorting to trying to pick at my grammar?

And WTF does "the books have the information you need" mean? lol, dude you have completely failed to defend or provide any proof to support your ridiclious claim good job.

casharmy

lol, dude shut up.

You are responsilbe for defending your own arguments. You have clearly backed out of that role so just go sit in a corner and think twice before trying to open your mouth and sprad garbage that you don't have the ability to defend.