Who else is SICK Of ppl saying people saying Halo 4 is the new Graphics King?

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Some used to believe the world was flat, just because people believe something doesn't make it true. Subjectively speaking you can say any game looks the best because you like the art style or whatever. Objectively speaking many PS3 exclusives mop the floor on everything on 360. This is just a fact.

And the best looking console games are on PS3, it is an objective fact. Anyone claiming otherwise is either arguing subjectively (which is what your trying to do) or is just beingn delusional.

ShadowMoses900

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] Thy books are simple: If you are to incompetent to use the engines provided for quick research you are in contempt of court and have no business existing in the modernized world. The Dice will land soon, when the number is equal to or greater than six you shall perish unless you use the books to stop the di: Judgement-Law

lol, dude shut up.

You are responsilbe for defending your own arguments. You have clearly backed out of that role so just go sit in a corner and think twice before trying to open your mouth and sprad garbage that you don't have the ability to defend.

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

I don't really think Halo 4 will be any graphics benchmark, nor do I think anyone else does here except for fanboys/fakeboys. I don't really care, either. Graphics are just one part of what makes a game great. I can't wait for Halo 4. New dev or not, I'm optimistic.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] So visuals are sunbjective. Than thou says visuals are objective. Thou 1st law of SW contitution "Thou shall not contradict thy argument. If thy get's caught thy can do one of 3: 1.backpedal thyself and post screens to change to irrelevant topic 2.Say thy person who caught you fail could not read or does not know howeth to read, and thus change your wording to something not related to thy original response. 3.Avoid the argument and claim or insult things about person who caught your fail."Judgement-Law

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

Infamous was in the debate with Skyrim, not with 360 exclusives or games in general. There are better looing games than Infamous 2 on 360, Gears looks better than Infamous 2, Halo 4 does as well (again tech and graphics).

I don't think you understand what is being discussed here. And Killzone 3 is more advanced than Gears 3 and has better graphics, here you can see for yourself.

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

Here is an interesting read for ya:

Killzone 2 impossible on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

It's because 360 can't handle it, it's not powerful enough. Here you go:

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

There is the proof friend.

All 360 games could be done on PS3, but not all PS3 games could be done on 360. It's just the truth. That's why PS3 exclusives look so much better than anything on 360, it's more powerful and the devs can take advantage of that. Multiplats are made with the lowest common denominator in mind; the 360.

If they just focused their multiplats on PS3 only then they would be too powerful for 360 to handle and it wouldn't be a multiplat. If all the multipalts were just PS3 exclusives they would look FAR better than they do now.

Maybe I'm a hermit at heart, I'm sound just like one.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] So visuals are sunbjective. Than thou says visuals are objective. Thou 1st law of SW contitution "Thou shall not contradict thy argument. If thy get's caught thy can do one of 3: 1.backpedal thyself and post screens to change to irrelevant topic 2.Say thy person who caught you fail could not read or does not know howeth to read, and thus change your wording to something not related to thy original response. 3.Avoid the argument and claim or insult things about person who caught your fail."Judgement-Law

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

:lol: with his proof being a playstation lounge blog where users talk about and compare Haok and Unreal engine (and Killzone engine isn't even the subject of discussion)

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0

lol, users were arguing with concrete facts like...'I like Unreal engine better'

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

lol, dude shut up.

You are responsilbe for defending your own arguments. You have clearly backed out of that role so just go sit in a corner and think twice before trying to open your mouth and sprad garbage that you don't have the ability to defend.

ShadowMoses900

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] What garbage? You never asked me to prove anything your first reply thou was an insult. It seems you are controlling thy pain. http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0 thy unreal Engine is more graphically taxing than Havok engine used in killzone 3/2. Havok engine is not bad, but not graphically intense. Thy 2nd Amended law in SW: "If thou shall be encountered by something against thy opinion, user shall do one of the 3: 1. Backpedal to previous points to try and change the argument. 2. Not do research and claim thy accused to provide proof at accused inconvenience. 3. Use insults to try and irritate the user to not feel like continuing claiming a pity victory.Judgement-Law

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

I never insult anyone, that makes me a better poster than you by default. You can't act like that if you want to win a debate, I provide evidence for my claims, you do not. I win.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

ShadowMoses900

Infamous was in the debate with Skyrim, not with 360 exclusives or games in general. There are better looing games than Infamous 2 on 360, Gears looks better than Infamous 2, Halo 4 does as well (again tech and graphics).

I don't think you understand what is being discussed here. And Killzone 3 is more advanced than Gears 3 and has better graphics, here you can see for yourself.

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

Here is an interesting read for ya:

Killzone 2 impossible on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

It's because 360 can't handle it, it's not powerful enough. Here you go:

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

There is the proof friend.

All 360 games could be done on PS3, but not all PS3 games could be done on 360. It's just the truth. That's why PS3 exclusives look so much better than anything on 360, it's more powerful and the devs can take advantage of that. Multiplats are made with the lowest common denominator in mind; the 360.

If they just focused their multiplats on PS3 only then they would be too powerful for 360 to handle and it wouldn't be a multiplat. If all the multipalts were just PS3 exclusives they would look FAR better than they do now.

Maybe I'm a hermit at heart, I'm sound just like one.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

ShadowMoses900

I never insult anyone, that makes me a better poster than you by default. You can't act like that if you want to win a debate, I provide evidence for my claims, you do not. I win.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] What garbage? You never asked me to prove anything your first reply thou was an insult. It seems you are controlling thy pain. http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0 thy unreal Engine is more graphically taxing than Havok engine used in killzone 3/2. Havok engine is not bad, but not graphically intense. Thy 2nd Amended law in SW: "If thou shall be encountered by something against thy opinion, user shall do one of the 3: 1. Backpedal to previous points to try and change the argument. 2. Not do research and claim thy accused to provide proof at accused inconvenience. 3. Use insults to try and irritate the user to not feel like continuing claiming a pity victory.Judgement-Law

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

No dude, lol it's quite the other way around.

The fact that you are talking about unreal engine but have absolutly no idea of what the Killzone engine can do is proof of that fact. Also the ability and power of an engine is not valid argument to give a game graphical credit simply because it was created on that engine--see RAGE on consoels. lol your argument is so bad that I now feel bad that you don't also know it's bad.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There are two different arguments going on here that you missed. Me and PAL360 were arguing (well we were both polite to each other, so it was debating) about PS3 exclusives looking better than 360 ones (most PS3 exclusives do) he took the subjective stance of saying you can't prove it, which he did to protect himself.

However when it suited him he used the objective argument, which I countered back with my own and he then retreated back into the subjective argument again. And that kept going on and on in circles until we got tired of it.

Objectively on can see many PS3 exclusives have better graphics and tech than 360 ones, 360 has never reached that level before. Subjectively one can argue about any game looking better than another because they like art style or whatever.

I was arguing objectively, PAL360 was trying to argue subjectively but objectilely when it suited his argument, and then ran into subjective again when I countered it.

That sums it up basically.

casharmy

:lol: with his proof being a playstation lounge blog where users talk about and compare Haok and Unreal engine (and Killzone engine isn't even the subject of discussion)

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0

lol, users were arguing with concrete facts like...'I like Unreal engine better'

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb, the opening of the Ark of The Covenant in Indiana Jones:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

:lol: so your proof a Playstation lounge blog which is no better than a System Wars thread with posters having a discussion?

With the first poster posing the question "Which is the better gaming enginge? Both have been use to develop some Quaility games. I lean more towards Unreal. I became more of a fan when Batman:AA cam out." and all the posters other are using their opinion on which they think is better?

Are you out of your mind? That is your proof? Dude stop posting.

*also*

How was my first reply to you an insult? My first post to you was asking a question and you tried to insult me talking about reading comprehension and grammar. Full stop fail. You want to keep going?

casharmy

No dude, lol it's quite the other way around.

The fact that you are talking about unreal engine but have absolutly no idea of what the Killzone engine can do is proof of that fact. Also the ability and power of an engine is not valid argument to give a game graphical credit simply because it was created on that engine--see RAGE on consoels. lol your argument is so bad that I now feel bad that you don't also know it's bad.

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] The problem is you say most PS3 exclusives do. Yet you name infamous? Not to mention thy Gears 3 is more graphically taxing than Killzone 3.But that's not the point, you named 5 games and one is not even out yet, and even if all 5 were actually true, that's not equal to MOST good man. Both systems have more than 10 games. also you said :graphics and tech" so are we using an artstyle argument or a technical argument?Judgement-Law

:lol: with his proof being a playstation lounge blog where users talk about and compare Haok and Unreal engine (and Killzone engine isn't even the subject of discussion)

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0

lol, users were arguing with concrete facts like...'I like Unreal engine better'

You keep trying to insult me throwing out 'stupid and unintelligent' remarks over and over again. Me thinks you lack the abilty to even hold a proper discussion. Repeatedly calling someone stupid isn't an argument my aggressive friend and I am sorry if that is the best you can do in a debat where you simply had to provide evidence to prove your claim wasn't just BS you made up (which you couldn't do)

lol still arguing about engine power...how silly. Engine capability =/= materialized power of the system it's created on.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have a concealed carry license and can carry a gun with me if I so choose (some public and private areas are exempt of course). I feel safer with a gun than without one, however it could also be due to my childhoood as I grew up with heavy anti-semitic bullying when I was younger. So it's given me this "kill or be killed" mentality sometimes.

Just how I am. I would like to go to England, I would like to learn about your health care. I want to see other countries and UK seems nice and the people, in general, seem nice. I could however to go to Israel for free but there is a lot of anger and hate in that country I hear. But I think I would feel closer to God if I went there.

ShadowMoses900

Cool.

Guns used to be legal in the UK before I was born (not sure exactly when), and there's often when bad guys went on a rampage with a gun and killed lots of people. So the government decided to ban guns and it seemed to work well. The crime level have gone down since the ban. Well, not really a "ban". They just made the gun laws very strict. It's very hard for me to get a gun.

People are not even allowed to carry any sort of weapons outdoors in this country. They will be in trouble with the police if they discover them carrying a knife or something.

So when you are coming here for a visit, don't take a gun with you! :P

There are some states in the US like that, New York and Chicago have very tough gun laws, it's near impossible to get one legally (notice I said legally) however it has not stopped gun crimes as criminals always get a hold of them through the black market. All your doing is disarming the citizens from protecting themselves and giving more power to the criminal.

I'm not entirely sure about the UK being safe, I hear there are some pretty nasty neighborhoods and guns are probably just as accessible if you know who to talk to. Honestly if I ever lived in a place that didn't allow guns I would get one anyway, just for protection, I don't care if I get locked up or not.

Wouldn't do that in the UK though, if I'm a guest in a country I abide by their rules. But at least we both agree, PS3 kicks ass! :P

I know that Black Market is a problem, and you are right - some criminals here have guns but not as many as the US. My point is that it is easier for you to get a gun than me. Hell, you already got a gun and I don't because I can't. Well, the world has problems everywhere, huh?

Of course, the PS3 kicks ass! :)

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Cool.

Guns used to be legal in the UK before I was born (not sure exactly when), and there's often when bad guys went on a rampage with a gun and killed lots of people. So the government decided to ban guns and it seemed to work well. The crime level have gone down since the ban. Well, not really a "ban". They just made the gun laws very strict. It's very hard for me to get a gun.

People are not even allowed to carry any sort of weapons outdoors in this country. They will be in trouble with the police if they discover them carrying a knife or something.

So when you are coming here for a visit, don't take a gun with you! :P

GamerwillzPS

There are some states in the US like that, New York and Chicago have very tough gun laws, it's near impossible to get one legally (notice I said legally) however it has not stopped gun crimes as criminals always get a hold of them through the black market. All your doing is disarming the citizens from protecting themselves and giving more power to the criminal.

I'm not entirely sure about the UK being safe, I hear there are some pretty nasty neighborhoods and guns are probably just as accessible if you know who to talk to. Honestly if I ever lived in a place that didn't allow guns I would get one anyway, just for protection, I don't care if I get locked up or not.

Wouldn't do that in the UK though, if I'm a guest in a country I abide by their rules. But at least we both agree, PS3 kicks ass! :P

I know that Black Market is a problem, and you are right - some criminals here have guns but not as many as the US. My point is that it is easier for you to get a gun than me. Hell, you already got a gun and I don't because I can't. Well, the world has problems everywhere, huh?

Of course, the PS3 kicks ass! :)

Ya I see your point. I know UK has it's bad parts like everywhere but I'm sure that it's a safe place overall. I think I would like visiting it very much! I have money saved up and I don't know what to do with it lol. Visiting another country would be a good experience and I think the UK seems right.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

Judgement-Law

It was all from professional sources, including devs AND US military tech teams. Do you know more than game developers and the best military technicians in the world? Didn't think so.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Some people prefer to live in a fantasy land that makes them happy.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

:lol: with his proof being a playstation lounge blog where users talk about and compare Haok and Unreal engine (and Killzone engine isn't even the subject of discussion)

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Lounge/Havok-or-Unreal/td-p/3530910?start=0&tstart=0

lol, users were arguing with concrete facts like...'I like Unreal engine better'

casharmy

You keep trying to insult me throwing out 'stupid and unintelligent' remarks over and over again. Me thinks you lack the abilty to even hold a proper discussion. Repeatedly calling someone stupid isn't an argument my aggressive friend and I am sorry if that is the best you can do in a debat where you simply had to provide evidence to prove your claim wasn't just BS you made up (which you couldn't do)

lol still arguing about engine power...how silly. Engine capability =/= materialized power of the system it's created on.

I said nothing about power, the fact is UE3 was made for graphical performance from the ground up, and Havok is a Physics engine at its core. You avoided the point I made about that and went off into lala land. UE3 has more graphical features than Havok for that reason alone, and yet not only do you change the subject, but thou then goes on to not provide any proof against it. You have nothing, it's time for you to stop your trollish ways.Judgement-Law

Derp,

How are PS3 exclusives the most advanced? now we are back to technical graphics?

Gears 3 may have some issues but it is more power taxing then Killzone, which artstyle wise IMO looks better visually, but Gears it still technically superior. Same goes with God of War, which has tons of technical problems. Lol at infamous

Uncharted 3, ok i can see that, but TLoU is not out yet so how can you possibly say anything about that game? It thou art stretching the labels of they fruit?Judgement-Law

And...Im done with you.

I've owned you enought times in this thread to show that you make things up, lie and run away from defending your arguments when asked to back them up with valid facts.

Good job on validating your self as a worthless poster level 1. That didn't take long.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

Judgement-Law

Lol, you are arguing against facts! You can't do that... You can't be that dumb, aren't you?

Everything in his post are absolutely correct. Hell, they are facts! Not opinions.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

ShadowMoses900

It was all from professional sources, including devs AND US military tech teams. Do you know more than game developers and the best military technicians in the world? Didn't think so.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Some people prefer to live in a fantasy land that makes them happy.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

GamerwillzPS

Lol, you are arguing against facts! You can't do that... You can't be that dumb, aren't you?

Everything in his post are absolutely correct. Hell, they are facts! Not opinions.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"]I said nothing about power, the fact is UE3 was made for graphical performance from the ground up, and Havok is a Physics engine at its core. You avoided the point I made about that and went off into lala land. UE3 has more graphical features than Havok for that reason alone, and yet not only do you change the subject, but thou then goes on to not provide any proof against it. You have nothing, it's time for you to stop your trollish ways.casharmy

Derp,

How are PS3 exclusives the most advanced? now we are back to technical graphics?

Gears 3 may have some issues but it is more power taxing then Killzone, which artstyle wise IMO looks better visually, but Gears it still technically superior. Same goes with God of War, which has tons of technical problems. Lol at infamous

Uncharted 3, ok i can see that, but TLoU is not out yet so how can you possibly say anything about that game? It thou art stretching the labels of they fruit?Judgement-Law

And...Im done with you.

I've owned you enought times in this thread to show that you have make things up, lie and run away from defending your arguments when asked to back the up with valid facts.

Good job on validating your self as a worthless poster level 1. That didn't take long.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] Al you did was show videos, and articles that are all untrue. i have an article saying that Conviction was not possible on Ps3. not one thing you posted was proof. Your videos are not proof either, you once again changed your argument from technical to artstyle again. Also, thou videos are not even comparisons further proving you have not idea the difference between fact/opinion or artstyle/technical. You also tried using unreleased games as proof as well which also is well known universally to not be proof of the final product. Again, incase you could not comprehend the above, I have an article that says conviction is not possible on PS3, yet they or the articles you posted don't PROVE they cannot run. You then post random sets of videos with no comparisons, but it changes from technical to artstyle meaning you're too stupid to have a consistent argument. There's not one piece of proof here, the fact you just came out with this list as fast as possible shows you have emotions and can't understand logic. You need to get some help. Unless thou comes to court with the plea of insanity?Judgement-Law

Lol, you are arguing against facts! You can't do that... You can't be that dumb, aren't you?

Everything in his post are absolutely correct. Hell, they are facts! Not opinions.

Wow.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Lol, you are arguing against facts! You can't do that... You can't be that dumb, aren't you?

Everything in his post are absolutely correct. Hell, they are facts! Not opinions.

GamerwillzPS

Wow.

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"]I said nothing about power, the fact is UE3 was made for graphical performance from the ground up, and Havok is a Physics engine at its core. You avoided the point I made about that and went off into lala land. UE3 has more graphical features than Havok for that reason alone, and yet not only do you change the subject, but thou then goes on to not provide any proof against it. You have nothing, it's time for you to stop your trollish ways.casharmy

Derp,

How are PS3 exclusives the most advanced? now we are back to technical graphics?

Gears 3 may have some issues but it is more power taxing then Killzone, which artstyle wise IMO looks better visually, but Gears it still technically superior. Same goes with God of War, which has tons of technical problems. Lol at infamous

Uncharted 3, ok i can see that, but TLoU is not out yet so how can you possibly say anything about that game? It thou art stretching the labels of they fruit?Judgement-Law

And...Im done with you.

I've owned you enought times in this thread to show that you make things up, lie and run away from defending your arguments when asked to back them up with valid facts.

Good job on validating your self as a worthless poster level 1. That didn't take long.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"]

Derp,

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"]How are PS3 exclusives the most advanced? now we are back to technical graphics?

Gears 3 may have some issues but it is more power taxing then Killzone, which artstyle wise IMO looks better visually, but Gears it still technically superior. Same goes with God of War, which has tons of technical problems. Lol at infamous

Uncharted 3, ok i can see that, but TLoU is not out yet so how can you possibly say anything about that game? It thou art stretching the labels of they fruit?Judgement-Law

And...Im done with you.

I've owned you enought times in this thread to show that you have make things up, lie and run away from defending your arguments when asked to back the up with valid facts.

Good job on validating your self as a worthless poster level 1. That didn't take long.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"] They are not facts. If that's the case than I will post facts from more credible sources that say Crysis 2 is better than uncharted 2, which means the 360 can run it. Oh gamerwillz, you are locked in jail on this one, your own argument backfired.Judgement-Law

Wow.

You can't compare Crysis 2 with them, dude... Crysis 2 is garbage on consoles which runs at 15fps, and no it doesn't look better than Uncharted, and yet it runs at a solid 30fps. There you go... that's where the PS3 hardware really shines.

What you need to do is to stop being so damn delusional and use logic.

360 can run KZ2? Well, there you go, that proves how stupid you are. No point arguing with someone who lacks logic.

LOL at butthurt cows and their obsession over graphics wars.

Funny thing is that last gen it was the PS2 that was the weakest of the bunch and yet it was EASILY the best console of the gen. Funny how now the Sony fanboys are all psychotically fixated on graphics.

Imma just enjoy me some puty Halo 4 later this year which wil likelyl be eons better than anything Sony is putting out in the relatively near future...

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

And...Im done with you.

I've owned you enought times in this thread to show that you have make things up, lie and run away from defending your arguments when asked to back the up with valid facts.

Good job on validating your self as a worthless poster level 1. That didn't take long.

casharmy

[QUOTE="Judgement-Law"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Wow.

GamerwillzPS

You can't compare Crysis 2 with them, dude... Crysis 2 is garbage on consoles which runs at 15fps, and no it doesn't look better than Uncharted, and yet it runs at a solid 30fps. There you go... that's where the PS3 hardware really shines.

What you need to do is to stop being so damn delusional and use logic.

360 can run KZ2? Well, there you go, that proves how stupid you are. No point arguing with someone who lacks logic.

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb, the opening of the Ark of The Covenant in Indiana Jones:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

ShadowMoses900

You put lots of effort but unfortunatly prove very little.

What makes those links more credible than, for example, DF saying Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen? Or Forza 4 being one of the contenders for gamespot last year´s best graphics? Or the dozens of reviewers who said Crysis 2 was the best looking game by the time it came out?

Opinions man. When i say cows are elitist and arrogant, its exactly this im talking about! You guys simply cant accept other´s opinions.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb, the opening of the Ark of The Covenant in Indiana Jones:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

PAL360

You put lots of effort but unfortunatly prove very little.

What makes those links more credible than, for example, DF saying Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen? Or Forza 4 being one of the contenders for gamespot last year´s best graphics? Or the dozens of reviewers who said Crysis 2 was the best looking game by the time it came out?

Opinions man, and its incredible how PS3 fans cant accept them when they dont favour their system!

it would be premature to come to the conclusion you have. >casharmy

teh cows tears

[QUOTE="casharmy"]it would be premature to come to the conclusion you have. >Stevo_the_gamer

Is that the same as PC fans when it comes to any console games? What you describes sounds exactly like what i have seen many of them do...so would you throw this arguement at a PC gamer who says PC is superior and say their argument is predisposed?

I ask because if your rationaliztion isn't consistant with your actions then there is a problem. How is his opinoin any more predisposed than PC gamers who always say PC is the best for any argument with consoles and games? Or are they juststifed do to based on "video and developer PR links (or whatever else they have on hand) to showcase in [thier] eyes PC superiority"?

All I am saying is it isn't really fair to try to demonize him for his actions for something that you don't do to everyone else. He might be predisposed to his opinion and he might not. He might just feel that his opinion is right based on the info he is using...does that really make him predisposed? It all really depends on his mindset which neither you or i konw for certian so I will leave that up to you. As I said I don't know, you might be right...and then again you might not be. I am not really trying to argue with you if that is what you believe.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here, I'm going to end this right now. I'm pulling out the show stopper, the end-all-be-all, the mega bomb, the opening of the Ark of The Covenant in Indiana Jones:

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Let's start with 360:

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

You can't agrue against that. It's all fact.

Judgement-Law

You put lots of effort but unfortunatly prove very little.

What makes those links more credible than, for example, DF saying Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen? Or Forza 4 being one of the contenders for gamespot last year´s best graphics? Or the dozens of reviewers who said Crysis 2 was the best looking game by the time it came out?

Opinions man, and its incredible how PS3 fans cant accept them when they dont favour their system!

Is that the same as PC fans when it comes to any console games? What you describes sounds exactly like what i have seen many of them do...so would you throw this arguement at a PC gamer who says PC is superior and say their argument is predisposed?

I ask because if your rationaliztion isn't consistant with your actions then there is a problem. How is his opinoin any more predisposed than PC gamers who always say PC is the best for any argument with consoles and games? Or are they juststifed do to based on "video and developer PR links (or whatever else they have on hand) to showcase in [thier] eyes PC superiority"?

All I am saying is it isn't really fair to try to demonize him for his actions for something that you don't do to everyone else. He might be predisposed to his opinion and he might not. He might just feel that his opinion is right based on the info he is using...does that really make him predisposed? It all really depends on his mindset which neither you or i konw for certian so I will leave that up to you. As I said I don't know, you might be right...and then again you might not be. I am not really trying to argue with you if that is what you believe.

casharmy

Halo 4 looks just sick, might have to get a 360 for it...wonder if they release a halo bundle with all Halo games when Halo 4 come:D

[QUOTE="casharmy"]Is that the same as PC fans when it comes to any console games? What you describes sounds exactly like what i have seen many of them do...so would you throw this arguement at a PC gamer who says PC is superior and say their argument is predisposed?

I ask because if your rationaliztion isn't consistant with your actions then there is a problem. How is his opinoin any more predisposed than PC gamers who always say PC is the best for any argument with consoles and games? Or are they juststifed do to based on "video and developer PR links (or whatever else they have on hand) to showcase in [thier] eyes PC superiority"?

All I am saying is it isn't really fair to try to demonize him for his actions for something that you don't do to everyone else. He might be predisposed to his opinion and he might not. He might just feel that his opinion is right based on the info he is using...does that really make him predisposed? It all really depends on his mindset which neither you or i konw for certian so I will leave that up to you. As I said I don't know, you might be right...and then again you might not be. I am not really trying to argue with you if that is what you believe.

Stevo_the_gamer

I Wasn't standing up for him, I was telling you my point of view. damn you are thick. What I told you is how I think in all situations I just took the time out to explain it to you...and here you come with your same old mind set.

You sure are not one to talk about false predisposed opinion, look at you right here...You are implying something with that silly "you standing up for him" comment even when i completely explain to you my view point on the issue, yet you don't listen to anyting and run head first with your predisposed opinion. Good gob.

And how the hell was I standing up for him when I said you might be right or you might not be? WTF dude get a grip I said "i don't konw". Just be cause I don't agree with your self varified point of view dosen't mean i am standing up for anyone...I can easily back track my replys in the thread and show you were I explained to you why I didn't agree with your conclusions.

*if you chose to not believe any of the things I have told you because of your personal predisposed opinions, then you are a lost cause for any further discussion*

They're not people, they're lemmingskuraimen

Honestly though, I haven't seen ANYONE (besides the hardcore blind fanboys, who shouldn't be taken seriously) say Halo 4 is the new graphics king.