Who is really holding the industry back?

Nope. I always go out of my way to stick it to fanboys and trolls, but as I said I rarely if ever see PC gamers criticize their own for snobbish behavior.

Bigboi500

Bollocks. You are not omniscient. The more you talk about this the more you expose the hypocrisy of your previous claims.

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You never see me calling console gamers poor since they spent more money in the long run then a pc gamer.

I don't find the term peasants all that harsh to the 360/ps3 owners since all noble men had peasants in the middle ages.

I just liked the days when consoles had their own games and the pc it's own games better. Now they keep butchering our games just to please people who only want to press one button to win a game and ofcourse don't want to use their brain, perfect example of this is Dragon Age 2. A series which could have been great but got butchered because console owners complained combat was to boring and difficult.

Bigboi500

I still think DA2 is a great game despite being simplified. I'm having a blast playing it right now.

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You never see me calling console gamers poor since they spent more money in the long run then a pc gamer.

I don't find the term peasants all that harsh to the 360/ps3 owners since all noble men had peasants in the middle ages.

I just liked the days when consoles had their own games and the pc it's own games better. Now they keep butchering our games just to please people who only want to press one button to win a game and ofcourse don't want to use their brain, perfect example of this is Dragon Age 2. A series which could have been great but got butchered because console owners complained combat was to boring and difficult.

savagetwinkie

I still think DA2 is a great game despite being simplified. I'm having a blast playing it right now.

Nintendo

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That's true, they don't define PC gaming, but I don't like console games depending on the internet like they do now. I hate it when I turn on my PS3 to play Disgaea 3 and discover that I need to download a 400+ MB patch. As a console gamer I want things to be ready to go right out of the box.

AncientDozer

The massive amount of gamers looking for a cinematic experience.

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As a pc gamer i must point my finger at consoles why ??

Consoles are so weak even the ngp is at ps3 level and mobile phones in 2013 will pass consoles in power. Devs want to make money so it is only natural that most games would be multiplat. You want your game to run on consoles 1st cause you know it will run on pc. As a result pc gamers get watered down games ported from console.

Still don't think so look what happened to the mighty crytek when they turned crysis 2 into a console game. Making games on 6 year old hardware and then porting them to pc holds games back. The game engines are there but devs can't use most of the features cause the game would not run on console. Console only gamers may think hey I am just bashing consoles but the hardware is way behind and that is a fact. How can games advance if the hardware is static ??

ActicEdge

I truely believe that if the majority of people are fine with games right now tech has absolutely zero reason to progress until the market demands it do so. There is nothing about high end graphics and technology that will make the majority of people more interested in games and people who won't give gaming a chance is literally what is holding the market back from growth. The PC exists and has its own ecosystem that can support tech and such which is fine but those pissed that consoles are holding back PC best understand that if a game as technically underwhelming as Black Ops or even more technically underwhelming a la New Super Mario Bros can sell million upon millions, I don't see what the rush is to want to push more and more technologically stunning games. The vast majority of people DO NOT care. Kirbby, Limbo, donkey Kong, De Blob, Madden, Monster Hunter, Pokemon, Layton, Marvel vs Capcom 3, etc etc, games selling millions of untis without bleeding edge tech. I don't believe in tech as the answer to advance games, game design as a whole can grow without the need of the latest technology.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]About as "ludicrous" as you only noticing insults directed at PC gamers and not at other groups.

romans828_2002

I cannot take personal offense to absolutely everything said, no one can.

The insults directed at your own group are the ones that stand out the most, but that doesn't mean I only defend PC.

Nope. I always go out of my way to stick it to fanboys and trolls, but as I said I rarely if ever see PC gamers criticize their own for snobbish behavior.

Bigboi500

If only PC gamers were trolling then maybe you'd have a point.

PC gamers are right a lot of the time, however, a lot of console gamers seem to dislike what they say, so of course those PC gamers come off as snobs.

Many times I come across PC gamers having mature debates with others, and yet still get called elitist pricks.

Obama-care! LOL

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Nope. I always go out of my way to stick it to fanboys and trolls, but as I said I rarely if ever see PC gamers criticize their own for snobbish behavior.

Raymundo_Manuel

If only PC gamers were trolling then maybe you'd have a point.

PC gamers are right a lot of the time, however, a lot of console gamers seem to dislike what they say, so of course those PC gamers come off as snobs.

Many times I come across PC gamers having mature debates with others, and yet still get called elitist pricks.

Devs who abandon their artistic vision to cater tofratboys, COD-kiddies, greedy publishers and fanboys.

Fanboys in terms of how games and gamers are perceived by others. Publishers are to blame for the quality of the games at launch and the quality or lack thereof of ports.

Is it consoles? Casuals? Publishers? Devs? Outdated hardware? Gaming sites and zines? Fanbases?

Discuss.

nameless12345

nintendo with the wii and sony with the ps2

For me I think its the whole idea on streamlining games and taking those old game mechanics that have worked or creative ideas and just abandoning them to shove another FPS out the door.

I also think including myself and probably others who have been around since the early days of gaming are getting older of course and probably getting bored or burned out on games. Rarely do I get excited about new games anymore or I will just wait until they hit a sale price and pick it up.

What are you talking about? The Industry is growing and is one of the biggest entertainment industries in the WORLD, if not, the number one. No one is holding it back... The direction, is a different question and you didn't ask that sooo, yea.ShadowDeathX

Definitely a perfect answer. The game industry if anything is moving forward, but fans of older archaic mechanics in games and elitists that play 90's games just won't get with the times. Even if you don't like popular games such as Modern Warfare or GTA, you can't deny the sales and influence these games have compared to a game like Half-Life which was considered amazing and revolutionary, but didn't have nearly the popularity and mainstream appeal modern games do.

So I'd say nothing is holding the industry back apart from stalwarts that refuse change and want to claim that gaming was in its prime when it was a sub culture of fanboys playing Quake and the rest of the world still hadn't grown to love gaming.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]What are you talking about? The Industry is growing and is one of the biggest entertainment industries in the WORLD, if not, the number one. No one is holding it back... The direction, is a different question and you didn't ask that sooo, yea.SPYDER0416

Definitely a perfect answer. The game industry if anything is moving forward, but fans of older archaic mechanics in games and elitists that play 90's games just won't get with the times. Even if you don't like popular games such as Modern Warfare or GTA, you can't deny the sales and influence these games have compared to a game like Half-Life which was considered amazing and revolutionary, but didn't have nearly the popularity and mainstream appeal modern games do.

So I'd say nothing is holding the industry back apart from stalwarts that refuse change and want to claim that gaming was in its prime when it was a sub culture of fanboys playing Quake and the rest of the world still hadn't grown to love gaming.

The name "video game" doesn't help. Interactive medium is much better for the industry.LOXO7

Yeah, such a boring (and mostly meaningless) name is sure going to help (not really).

At least interactive entertainment fits, but "medium" is as generic and meaningless they come.

Not that it means anything, though, changing the name wouldn't make anything different.